Can't believe there isn't a thread for this. Anyhow, there is now.

Spring Creek Plaza is a very nice shopping center that has some mid-upscale stores with beautiful landscaping.

Here is a nice picture and their website:

http://www.springcreekplaza.com/images/homepageImage.jpg
Spring Creek (http://www.springcreekplaza.com)

Here is the main reason I created this thread today though. The Panera Bread is requesting a drive thru window in the back. The planning commission denied it and it now goes to the city council. I support it.


Drive-up window denied for Panera
James Coburn
The Edmond Sun

EDMOND — Panera Bread was denied approval by the Edmond Planning Commission this week for adding a drive-through window at the back of the restaurant.

The vote was 2-3 against the request made by Ron Ward, owner of the Springcreek Village Shopping Center. Panera Bread is located on the northeast corner of 15th Street and Bryant Avenue.

“What they’d like to do is add a window on the east side of the property,” said Bob Schiermeyer, city planner.

The retaining wall on the east side of the property would be realigned to allow for pick-up window traffic and service and emergency vehicles to have adequate lane width for access, Schiermeyer said.

They would widen the lane so there would be enough room for fire trucks and service vehicles on two lanes of traffic, Schiermeyer said.

A new edge to the property would be established, Schiermeyer said. The land to the east is zoned for single family use but is projected for commercial office space.

“They do have to drive around the whole back of the area,” Schiermeyer said. “I’m convinced that based on the quality of this restaurant that customers would be happy to do this. But it is unusual.”

Panera Bread District Manager Mike Cassidy said the restaurant serves between 1,200-1,500 customers a day. No more than five or six cars at a time are projected to use the service window, Cassidy said.

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The entire Spring Creek development is currently the nicest in the OKC metro, by far.

Given how many NIMBYs are in the neighborhood surrounding that shopping center, I will be surprised if there isn't a huge fight against a drive thru at Panera.

I hate NIMBY's like a sickness. I don't care what good these people do. They are dumb and belong out in the middle of nowhere if they are going to protest everything that comes up. Fuming just thinking about it.

Edmond denies everything..

well there isn't a neighborhood behind Panera just a piece of land that is supposedly going to be the entrance to the reasors/grocery store development. so maybe that had something to do with it.

The problem is along the lines of give an inch.. give a mile. Exceptions were made in the first place, and they keep asking for more exception. It's not a NIMBY problem, but if you don't like the rules/zoning conditions in the first place, then don't build there.

that is certainly debateable. There's another thread on here discussing Spring Creek vs Classen Curve and imho Spring Creek isn't near what it could or should be.

It's very debateable. They took a beautiful parklike residential area, and turned it into a giant parking lot. Some folks want to live in OKC so bad, but rather than move there, they'd rather convert Edmond.

If you're primary concern is having peace and quiet with no noise and traffic whatsoever, you might want to consider living in a small town away from everyone and everything where development has no chance of ever taking off. Edmond has higher standards and stricter ordinances than OKC. It is however a growing suburb and growing suburbs are going to have new businesses moving in. There is nothing about an upscale grocery store that will cause problems or a decrease in property values for residents of the Spring Creek area.

I know that, but the property owners have every right to try to maintain some standards in the area, and speak to the planning commission, and steer how development goes, without being call "power hunger assholes" by non-property owners in the area.

I deleted a bunch of posts that were far too inflammatory.

Please discuss topics respectfully.

The entire Spring Creek development is currently the nicest in the OKC metro, by far.

Given how many NIMBYs are in the neighborhood surrounding that shopping center, I will be surprised if there isn't a huge fight against a drive thru at Panera.

I agree that Spring Creek is very nice. A drive thru probably isn't a great idea and Panera doesn't NEED one.

I agree that Spring Creek is very nice. A drive thru probably isn't a great idea and Panera doesn't NEED one.This is crazy.

Why Spartan? Please tell the world why you think a drive through isn't needed? That isn't surprising coming from you. Honestly, I'd put more stake in Jerrywall's opinion seeing as he isn't biased on this. My understanding is that you're not exactly the biggest supporter on cars.

Seriously though, what does it matter? You won't even be able to see it. If you didn't hear about this on news, the majority of people complaining about this wouldn't have even known it was even there.

I think it is a good idea for this window. I normally would say no, but the location of Panera in the whole plaza makes it feasible. This would basically have cars lined up behind the store fronts in the rear where they will not be seen unless you are also in the line - not to mention it would not block any parking spaces (see Chick-fil-a at 2nd/bryant-ish).

Another reason this is good, is parking is a big problem in both of these shopping centers - having people trying to park and run in and grab something would be eliminated with this drive-thru. I only see this being advantageous to the entire SC Plaza.

my post wasn't inflamatory, I just said Spring Creek wasn't the best development. I didn't post what my true feelings for that sub par, doesn't get close to its potential development.

City Council approves addition of Panera drive-thru » Local News » The Edmond Sun (http://www.edmondsun.com/local/x611415257/City-Council-approves-addition-of-Panera-drive-thru)

Ive seen on their social media accounts that Fuzzy's Tacos will be opening in the summer here. It also looks like Charming Charlie will be opening soon.

I went to the drive through the other day. Weird set up. You're picking up food 10 feet from dumpsters, and then driving around the back of the shopping center.

Ive seen on their social media accounts that Fuzzy's Tacos will be opening in the summer here. It also looks like Charming Charlie will be opening soon.

How sure are you on both of these? Any timelines?

from fuzzy's www:

FUZZY'S TACO SHOP - EDMOND, OK (COMING SOON)
1462 S. Bryant
Edmond, OK 73034

How sure are you on both of these? Any timelines?

Charming Charlie is now open. I think Fuzzy's said theyre opening this summer.

I visited Charming Charlie today. Decent, inexpensive stuff, organized by color, of all things.

Additional sign approved for Spring Creek - The Edmond Sun: News (http://www.edmondsun.com/news/additional-sign-approved-for-spring-creek/article_4ea9727c-bc67-11e4-bd07-931903e61d22.html)

Ground lit granite sign is nice. Not sure why they're getting a variance for only most of the tennents...

I don't know man. How can we be sure if we didn't vote on it? :p

But I do agree with you. I think this sign will be nice.

By way of their social media accounts, Fuzzy's has announced they will be opening August 10th.

Nice. On a side note the new Panera drive thru has made that whole parking lot a real cluster around lunchtime. If you park in the wrong area of the lot you can be stuck for while trying to get out.

how hard would it be to open up a new entrance on the southeast corner parking lot, other than cost? that'd be a straight shot into the panera drive in.

Rustic Cuff, a company from Tulsa, is expanding to the OKC Metro and will place their first store in this development.

http://journalrecord.com/2016/07/15/rustic-cuff-expanding-to-okc-and-edmond-real-estate/

http://www.poagllc.com/lifestyle-center/spring-creek/

Anyone heard about this? Read about it in the Oklahoman today!

Looks like Spring Creek Plaza will soon be known as The Shops at Spring Creek. And, they're expanding and adding a movie theater, junior anchor, and specialty grocery store.

http://www.poagllc.com/lifestyle-center/spring-creek/

Wow this is really cool.

http://www.poagllc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Edmond-Stills-3-000e1-1024x692.jpg

http://www.poagllc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Edmond-Stills-3-003e1-1024x692.jpg

http://www.poagllc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Edmond-Stills-3-002e1-1024x692.jpg

Can't wait to see the first nimby's comments against it. ;)

Wow I see a Craig's Steakhouse in the rendering. Excellent!

Will this be going close to Pelican Bay or further south facing 15th St.?

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/springcreek2.jpg

Another photo I forgot to add

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13920374_10208690694057275_1406613073264965603_o.j pg

Has anyone heard anything about this movie theatre? Is there anyone that's been signed to open in this location, or is the group just wanting to get a movie theatre in here similar to Chisholm Creek?

So they're turning this into a full blown lifestyle center? Any chance there will be some housing?

Has anyone heard anything about this movie theatre? Is there anyone that's been signed to open in this location, or is the group just wanting to get a movie theatre in here similar to Chisholm Creek?I think it's going to be a single screen boutique theatre.

On the developer's site and in their marketing materials, they don't mention anything about a theater or any signed tenants.

I believe this is all purely conceptual at this point.

I believe NewsOk reported the boutique theater. Pete, do you see this possibly taking ground and if so when could it start construction? Best case scenario.

Here is what their website says:

"The Shops at Spring Creek is about to get even better. As the only open-air, regional lifestyle destination in the area, the addition of a specialty grocery store, a new boutique movie theatre, and an additional 200,000 square feet of new stores and restaurants"

Pretty sure the grocer will be Fresh Market.

As for the cinema, a good guess would be iPic. Glimcher has them in a couple of their lifestyle centers but I don't think there was enough room at their proposed project at NW 63rd & Grand.

https://www.ipictheaters.com/#/

Pete, or someone else who knows, is this the NE or NW corner of 15th and Bryant? There are shopping centers on both corners.

Pete, or someone else who knows, is this the NE or NW corner of 15th and Bryant? There are shopping centers on both corners.

It looks like the NE Corner. There is a Panera Bread, New Balance, Loft, Talbot's and Jos A. Bank already in there.

The area in red is owned by the new developers; the other buildings already exist and include Panera, Fuzzy's, etc.:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/springcreek4.jpg

Geez that is quite an addition. Looks like will more than double the footprint.

Looks more like tripling the footprint. Very Cool.

Unkown to most people, there was a house behind the center. It was accessable from behind the buildings. I'm thinking it was an acreage that they owned and have now sold.

Here is what their website says:

"The Shops at Spring Creek is about to get even better. As the only open-air, regional lifestyle destination in the area, the addition of a specialty grocery store, a new boutique movie theatre, and an additional 200,000 square feet of new stores and restaurants"

Pretty sure the grocer will be Fresh Market.

As for the cinema, a good guess would be iPic. Glimcher has them in a couple of their lifestyle centers but I don't think there was enough room at their proposed project at NW 63rd & Grand.

https://www.ipictheaters.com/#/

I would welcome an iPic. I checked one out in Arizona and it was very nice.

Here is what their website says:

"The Shops at Spring Creek is about to get even better. As the only open-air, regional lifestyle destination in the area, the addition of a specialty grocery store, a new boutique movie theatre, and an additional 200,000 square feet of new stores and restaurants"

Pretty sure the grocer will be Fresh Market.

As for the cinema, a good guess would be iPic. Glimcher has them in a couple of their lifestyle centers but I don't think there was enough room at their proposed project at NW 63rd & Grand.

https://www.ipictheaters.com/#/

I would welcome an iPic. I checked one out in Arizona and it was very nice.

This project is going up before the council.

Site plan:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/mKeLubIp2mdJM2gjlxZco9r8ZPwrjJDQxvNia31n71VuzR7QJV 6PTPWO_XDnDucgo6kHmPuz6JfamdY=w1366-h589

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/SgTiR7yWniCAB6i7Tjkkn1iXq6QkYC5Pf6Xl7s_vvrn0pLKGEo y2j6_Bste9OViKwQFm-500qlGYmDI=w1366-h638-rw

Couple renderings
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/t9hkhaPnVlkPfgA8UAV9ZLgvNP3vcUs7J0dNGaTChVSVZXzAhQ F1Xu_7HX2X1T4ogofPZ0bheQq4bQw=w1366-h638

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/pJCGTLFiKZqxmdcWJdRkikfUUENcXzRBQ-BpCMGhDkay4ukQzEJaqKf5izqrsOEGI-Zf_eZ5M0AJHvQ=w1366-h638-rw

Agenda packet: http://agenda.edmondok.com:8085/docs/2016/PC/20161004_2119/8473_Shoppes%20at%20SC%20Rez_001.pdf

Here is the agenda packet going up before the council.


Attorney Randel Shadid representing Shops at Spring Creek, LLC is requesting 26 acres for a Mixed Use PUD to include a maximum 400 multi-family units constructed above a retail center. The development would also contain a grocery store, and a boutique movie theater. None of the buildings would exceed four stories. Access to the development would be from 15th Street and Bryant Avenue. There will also be a connection to Spring Creek Plaza. Hafer Park is located to the north and a pedestrian bridge is planned across Spring Creek connecting to the park. The shopping center is planned at 260,000 square feet of commercial space. The developer is requesting a variance for signage to allow a 35 foot tall sign on the exterior access at 15th Street and Bryant Avenue. The developer plans for 40 to 50 retail stores and restaurants and indicates that the sign would be needed due to the unique setback off the arterial street. A traffic study has been submitted. Drainage is also planned, partially on land owned by the City that is south of Spring Creek.

- http://agenda.edmondok.com:8085/agenda_publish.cfm?id=&mt=ALL&get_month=10&get_year=2016&dsp=agm&seq=8535&rev=0&ag=2092&ln=38657&nseq=8536&nrev=0&pseq=8534&prev=0#

Can't wait to see this rising from the ground. This could become the best shopping center in the metro apart from Penn Square and Glimcher.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a Crate and Barrel and Whole Foods here. Maybe a Fresh Market.

Yeah, as far as location, and a concentration of nearby high households it does get much better.

Saw this from the city on Nextdoor:

For anyone planning to attend tonight's City Council meeting, two (unrelated) planning items of heavy interest have requested to be continued to a future meeting. Those items are listed below (9 & 10 go together, 11 & 12 go together):

9. Case #Z16-00024 Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ________ Edmond Plan Amendment from Restricted Retail Commercial and General Commercial Planned Unit Development to Mixed Use Commercial and Multiple-Family Residential Planned Unit Development generally located north of 15th Street, east of Bryant Avenue. (Shops at Spring Creek, LLC) Emergency Approval Required

10. Case #Z16-00025 Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ________ Rezoning from “D-1” Restricted Retail Commercial and “E-1” General Commercial Planned Unit Development to Mixed Use Commercial and Multiple-Family Residential Planned Unit Development generally located north of 15th Street, east of Bryant Avenue. (Shops at Spring Creek, LLC)

11. Case #Z16-00032 Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ________ amending the Edmond Plan from Single Family Dwelling to Commercial Planned Unit Development known as Phocas Farms generally located east of High Street and approximately one-quarter mile north of Danforth Road. (Steve and Lisa Hill – Phocas Farms) Emergency Approval Required.

12. Case #Z16-00033 Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ________ Rezoning from “R-2” Urban Estate Dwelling to Commercial Planned Unit Development known as Phocas Farms generally located east of High Street and approximately one-quarter mile north of Danforth Road. (Steve and Lisa Hill – Phocas Farms)

Whoever manages Springcreek Village has done a piss poor job. I'm purely guessing but The vacancy rate appears to be around 30 to 40%. They can I get any destination shops in there and then the constant revolving door of mediocre restaurants and stores. I was told by several the tenants that the per square footage lease is more expensive than Classen curve.

Whoever manages Springcreek Village has done a piss poor job. I'm purely guessing but The vacancy rate appears to be around 30 to 40%. They can I get any destination shops in there and then the constant revolving door of mediocre restaurants and stores. I was told by several the tenants that the per square footage lease is more expensive than Classen curve.

Had to read a couple of times, to realize you were talking about Village, and not Plaza. Yeah, Village in unimpressive to me, but Plaza (across Bryant) is a destination for me. They have several shops I will drive across town to get to.

You probably shouldn't use voice dictation on here without editing myself better

I really hope this goes through but knowing Edmond, I won't be disappointed if it fails mainly because it won't surprise me. For a city that hardly gets any nice developments, they sure turn down the very few that come through.

http://journalrecord.com/2016/11/10/edmond-council-to-consider-lifestyle-center-monday-real-estate/