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Yes, Yokozuna has been in the works for awhile.
Glad to see it's official. It's another Elliott Nelson (Fassler Hall, Dust Bowl, McNellie's) concept.
Richard at Remax 07-28-2015, 01:32 PM Pete how long do you think it will be before we see designs/proposals for the office/hotel portion of CC?
Pete how long do you think it will be before we see designs/proposals for the office/hotel portion of CC?
No idea.
The luxury apartments will likely be the next big thing to start, sometime after the first of the year.
Spartan 07-28-2015, 09:19 PM I used to go to the Yokozuna in Blue Dome. Very nice place... surprised Elliott Nelson is going Memorial Road, but it seems to bode well for Chisholm Creek really becoming a cool spot. Fassler Hall in Midtown is Nelson's biggest cash cow so I'm surprised they aren't staying in the center city.
I used to go to the Yokozuna in Blue Dome. Very nice place... surprised Elliott Nelson is going Memorial Road, but it seems to bode well for Chisholm Creek really becoming a cool spot. Fassler Hall in Midtown is Nelson's biggest cash cow so I'm surprised they aren't staying in the center city.
They will be doing an Italian concept in Midtown in the near future.
bradh 07-28-2015, 09:22 PM I used to go to the Yokozuna in Blue Dome. Very nice place... surprised Elliott Nelson is going Memorial Road, but it seems to bode well for Chisholm Creek really becoming a cool spot. Fassler Hall in Midtown is Nelson's biggest cash cow so I'm surprised they aren't staying in the center city.
Don't worry, we spend money on this side of town too :)
Looking forward to trying this new place!
Spartan 07-28-2015, 09:35 PM Not saying that a place can't be successful on Memorial Road. It's just more of a Mahogany Steakhouse kinda crowd, and not as much a Yokozuna crowd...
It is hard to fully explain just how successful Fassler Hall has been, to my understanding.
bradh 07-28-2015, 09:47 PM Not saying that a place can't be successful on Memorial Road. It's just more of a Mahogany Steakhouse kinda crowd, and not as much a Yokozuna crowd...
It is hard to fully explain just how successful Fassler Hall has been, to my understanding.
The times I've always been to Fassler, I've always seen several people I know live in the far NW/North of OKC limits. Just because we live out here doesn't mean we crave lame ass national chains (despite what parody twitter accounts ran by urbanistas claim).
Teo9969 07-28-2015, 09:56 PM Not saying that a place can't be successful on Memorial Road. It's just more of a Mahogany Steakhouse kinda crowd, and not as much a Yokozuna crowd...
It is hard to fully explain just how successful Fassler Hall has been, to my understanding.
Why is it hard to explain? You opened a place that had a seating capacity of 700 people…you're going to do well.
I imagine they're bringing in at least $150k every Saturday/Sunday. Most restaurants in this city do well to hit $5M, some $10M in sales in a year. They probably hit close to $10M on their weekend nights alone. The other 5 days of the week probably account for another $5M or so.
And their product costs are probably wicked low, considering they're pumping out mostly beer and liquor. Wine can really hurt costs because it spoils, the other 2 really don't.
Spartan 07-28-2015, 10:04 PM The times I've always been to Fassler, I've always seen several people I know live in the far NW/North of OKC limits. Just because we live out here doesn't mean we crave lame ass national chains (despite what parody twitter accounts ran by urbanistas claim).
Wherever in OKC you are from, you are bound to see several people you know from that area. Downtown is back to being the place where everybody in the metro goes out, and Fassler Hall may be downtown's most successful bar right now.
bradh 07-28-2015, 10:20 PM Wherever in OKC you are from, you are bound to see several people you know from that area. Downtown is back to being the place where everybody in the metro goes out, and Fassler Hall may be downtown's most successful bar right now.
Absolutely agree, I was also just stating that it's unfair to blanket the entire north side as one crowd. Many of us work downtown and hit up the "hip" places for lunch and happy hour, so when anything remotely close to them open (or they open a new location) up here, those folks get giddy (myself included).
jn1780 07-31-2015, 07:40 AM I'm thinking the chances of another Whole Foods going in here is lower now. Competition is much tougher for them and the combination of already having another whole foods nearby, plus existing natural food competitors on the north side of town will make them think twice about building at Chisholm Creek. The original WF was fueled by the Chesapeake Energy boom and there was very little competition at the time. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would prefer a Trader Joes unless WF changes their business model.
Stick a fork in Whole Foods? - Jul. 30, 2015 (http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/30/investing/whole-foods-earnings-stock/index.html)
skanaly 08-12-2015, 12:06 PM Tract 30 and IFly under construction. Both sites are a whole in the ground
bchris02 08-12-2015, 12:43 PM Both sites are a whole in the ground
Wow. A whole in the ground! Who'd a thunk it.
skanaly 08-13-2015, 10:36 AM Wow. A whole in the ground! Who'd a thunk it.
Don't know the lingo like many others...sorry but not sorry
catch22 08-13-2015, 10:39 AM Don't know the lingo like many others...sorry but not sorry
He's referring to the difference between whole and hole.
Whole Grain
Hole in the wall.
Rover 08-13-2015, 01:23 PM Don't know the lingo like many others...sorry but not sorry
It isn't lingo, just some people like to enhance or make fun of other people's mistakes. Don't worry about it.
GaryOKC6 08-13-2015, 09:49 PM Tract 30 and IFly under construction. Both sites are a whole in the ground
Whitney said today at the CREC luncheon that they will open early 2016. That is not far away. I saw Molly from the Journal Record taking notes. Should be a complete story on the new developments brewing.
Colbafone 08-14-2015, 09:17 AM Drove by last night, iFLY won't be long at all. It was getting dark, but it looked like the foundation was totally poured. Tract30 will obviously take a little longer and wasn't as far along.
Chisholm Creek develops faster than expected
By: Molly M. Fleming The Journal Record August 13, 2015 0
OKLAHOMA CITY – Chisholm Creek lease manager Whitney Rainbolt said that when the northwest corridor mixed-use development was first planned, she thought it would take 10 to 15 years to build out.
Because the site has gained popularity with residents and national companies, she said she thinks it could be complete in five to 10 years.
“Everything is going a lot quicker than we imagined,” she said Thursday during the Commercial Real Estate Council’s monthly meeting, held at Top Golf.
The golf entertainment venue is an example of the area’s success. Oklahoma City was the company’s first smaller marker, and it has already asked for two more acres for parking space. It has 450 spots already.
St. Anthony Healthplex was the first company to break ground in the 190-acre development between N. Western Avenue and N. Pennsylvania Avenue along E. Memorial Road. The hospital opened in February, Top Golf opened in June and Cabela’s will welcome its first customers on Sept. 17. Those three companies will employ 800 people, with Cabela’s expecting to draw customers from at least 120 miles away.
The ground is already being worked for the next piece, called Tract 30. Sitting between Top Golf and Cabela’s, the three-floor, 74,000 square-foot mixed-use building will be anchored by A Good Egg Dining Group’s Republic Gastropub, McNellie’s Group’s Yokozuna sushi and Asian noodle restaurant, and Fuzzy’s Taco Shop.
Good Egg President Keith Paul said the company has been impressed with the tenant mix in the area.
“We just think that Edmond and north Oklahoma City are looking for some great options and some entertainment,” he said.
The Chisholm Creek Republic will be two stories, with a rooftop patio. It will be 2,500 square feet larger than the restaurant in Classen Curve.
Paul said he doesn’t know if this will be the last Good Egg concept in the development.
“There’s a lot of opportunity out there,” he said. “We’ll play that by ear.”
Following Tract 30, the family-friendly The Pointe will be developed. The area will center on a lake sitting close to Memorial Road. It will offer a splash pad and several different new-to-market restaurants.
By year’s end, the first housing project will break ground. Cornerstone Development President Gary Brooks is constructing a 277-unit apartment complex, which was designed by ADG architecture firm.
Another piece of Chisolm Creek will be The Public Market, which is one large building.
“We looked all around the country so we could do something special,” Rainbolt said.
She said the building will have lease packages ranging in size from 100 to 3,000 square feet. There will be a farmers market at the building on Saturdays.
The development will also have a four-story lifestyle retail center called The Hub, a class-A office building and full-service hotel, an area known as Indie Street with a 2,700-seat music venue, and an amphitheater to fit 7,000 people. The amphitheater and music venue will be managed by Austin-based C3 Presents.
There will be 8 miles of trails throughout the development that will eventually connect to an 80-acre city park.
OkiePoke 08-14-2015, 09:38 AM Chisholm Creek develops faster than expected
By: Molly M. Fleming The Journal Record August 13, 2015 0
OKLAHOMA CITY – Chisholm Creek lease manager Whitney Rainbolt said that when the northwest corridor mixed-use development was first planned, she thought it would take 10 to 15 years to build out.
Because the site has gained popularity with residents and national companies, she said she thinks it could be complete in five to 10 years.
“Everything is going a lot quicker than we imagined,” she said Thursday during the Commercial Real Estate Council’s monthly meeting, held at Top Golf.
The golf entertainment venue is an example of the area’s success. Oklahoma City was the company’s first smaller marker, and it has already asked for two more acres for parking space. It has 450 spots already.
St. Anthony Healthplex was the first company to break ground in the 190-acre development between N. Western Avenue and N. Pennsylvania Avenue along E. Memorial Road. The hospital opened in February, Top Golf opened in June and Cabela’s will welcome its first customers on Sept. 17. Those three companies will employ 800 people, with Cabela’s expecting to draw customers from at least 120 miles away.
The ground is already being worked for the next piece, called Tract 30. Sitting between Top Golf and Cabela’s, the three-floor, 74,000 square-foot mixed-use building will be anchored by A Good Egg Dining Group’s Republic Gastropub, McNellie’s Group’s Yokozuna sushi and Asian noodle restaurant, and Fuzzy’s Taco Shop.
Good Egg President Keith Paul said the company has been impressed with the tenant mix in the area.
“We just think that Edmond and north Oklahoma City are looking for some great options and some entertainment,” he said.
The Chisholm Creek Republic will be two stories, with a rooftop patio. It will be 2,500 square feet larger than the restaurant in Classen Curve.
Paul said he doesn’t know if this will be the last Good Egg concept in the development.
“There’s a lot of opportunity out there,” he said. “We’ll play that by ear.”
Following Tract 30, the family-friendly The Pointe will be developed. The area will center on a lake sitting close to Memorial Road. It will offer a splash pad and several different new-to-market restaurants.
By year’s end, the first housing project will break ground. Cornerstone Development President Gary Brooks is constructing a 277-unit apartment complex, which was designed by ADG architecture firm.
Another piece of Chisolm Creek will be The Public Market, which is one large building.
“We looked all around the country so we could do something special,” Rainbolt said.
She said the building will have lease packages ranging in size from 100 to 3,000 square feet. There will be a farmers market at the building on Saturdays.
The development will also have a four-story lifestyle retail center called The Hub, a class-A office building and full-service hotel, an area known as Indie Street with a 2,700-seat music venue, and an amphitheater to fit 7,000 people. The amphitheater and music venue will be managed by Austin-based C3 Presents.
There will be 8 miles of trails throughout the development that will eventually connect to an 80-acre city park.
I'm not surprised the development moved up their timeline. It is a complete hit right now. Something North OKC has been yearning for for some time.
Colbafone 08-14-2015, 09:42 AM Man, that article is awesome. Quite honestly, the coolest part to me, is the 80 miles of trails. I LOVE this. We need more trails/walkability in our developments. With the ADG designed apartments, this may become the place to live for those not looking for a house. And a 7,000 amphitheater? Lolololololol poor Zoo Amp/Frontier City. Maybe this will boost competition in our local amphitheaters!
Yeah, this could turn into what Memorial Road should have been doing all along.
Glad they are thinking big.
Richard at Remax 08-14-2015, 10:41 AM Hopefully the hotel is forward thinking and builds it bigger than the demand right now. Something like the Embassy Suites in Norman.
BTW, we've talked about this before but now that it's firmed up, C3 Presents is another huger concert promoter to add to Live Nation which will be promotion the Criterion and most likely the Tower.
The music scene in OKC is going to change radically in just the next year or two:
Concert Promotion (http://www.c3presents.com/concerts/)
sooner88 08-14-2015, 10:58 AM BTW, we've talked about this before but now that it's firmed up, C3 Presents is another huger concert promoter to add to Live Nation which will be promotion the Criterion and most likely the Tower.
The music scene in OKC is going to change radically in just the next year or two:
Concert Promotion (http://www.c3presents.com/concerts/)
7,000 person capacity is huge! I've been to concerts at Stubbs BBQ (which C3 promotes and have been great), and their capacity is listed at 2,200. These guys have a lot of experience and if done right should be awesome.
warreng88 08-14-2015, 11:14 AM Man, that article is awesome. Quite honestly, the coolest part to me, is the 80 miles of trails. I LOVE this. We need more trails/walkability in our developments. With the ADG designed apartments, this may become the place to live for those not looking for a house. And a 7,000 amphitheater? Lolololololol poor Zoo Amp/Frontier City. Maybe this will boost competition in our local amphitheaters!
For clarification, it's eight miles of trails and an 80 acre park.
Colbafone 08-14-2015, 08:58 PM Ah, I read that wrong, good catch. Still, 80 acres of trails is pretty fantastic considering there isn't any real trail nearby. Unless you count Martin Nature Park.
catch22 08-14-2015, 09:55 PM Ah, I read that wrong, good catch. Still, 80 acres of trails is pretty fantastic considering there isn't any real trail nearby. Unless you count Martin Nature Park.
You're still getting it wrong. 80 acres of park and 8 miles of trails. ;)LOL
bchris02 08-14-2015, 09:58 PM Ah, I read that wrong, good catch. Still, 80 acres of trails is pretty fantastic considering there isn't any real trail nearby. Unless you count Martin Nature Park.
Bluff Creek trails are pretty awesome. They have a little over 2 miles. It's primarily for mountain biking but people walk/run them all the time. I do it a few times per week.
bradh 08-14-2015, 11:01 PM Of course Martin Nature Park counts, OKC's best secret. Bluff Creek trails are known as one of the harder mountain bike trails around I have heard.
Colbafone 08-15-2015, 02:17 AM I swear thats what I meant to type. But I'm just going to concede here and say I have no idea what I'm talking about, haha. However, I am excited!
Eddie1 08-15-2015, 02:20 AM Where are Bluff Creek trails?
OkiePoke 08-15-2015, 05:17 PM Where are Bluff Creek trails?
North of Lake Hefner.
okatty 08-18-2015, 08:58 PM Bluff Creek trails are pretty awesome. They have a little over 2 miles. It's primarily for mountain biking but people walk/run them all the time. I do it a few times per week.
Dead on. Great trails. Pretty technical if you try to buzz thru it. Great area with much improved parking area in the last couple of years.
Zorba 08-27-2015, 10:35 PM Pete,
Have you heard any more about a possible Life Time Fitness? It is much harder to find information about their plans online since they went private.
They are going up on 150th. Deal at CC fell through.
Zorba 08-28-2015, 10:25 AM They are going up on 150th. Deal at CC fell through.
are they still just looking, or have they found a spot?
Not sure where they stand but I was told by their broker a couple of months ago that Chisholm wouldn't give them enough property so they would be looking at spots along NW 150th.
jn1780 09-01-2015, 09:52 PM I know this isn't in Chisholm Creek but what is going on south of Freddy's? They have bull dozed a lot of trees.
Some new renderings of the next phase which will be called the Pointe at Chisholm Creek.
Hearing they are pretty far along with a dine-in Cinema.
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/chisholm090215a.jpg
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/chisholm090215b.jpg
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/chisholm090215c.jpg
bchris02 09-02-2015, 12:37 PM This is really cool. I cannot wait to see this completed.
How do you think this cinema will affect the AMC at Quail Springs Mall? The QSM theater is dated and the north side needs a better option in my opinion.
There is plenty of room in the marketplace for quality theater screens.
Zuplar 09-02-2015, 12:46 PM I'm assuming the dine-in Cinema is different from the Warren in the respect that all of the theater serves full meals instead of certain areas? I went to one that sounds similar in Vail where the whole thing was a waiting room bar, and each theater within was more like the directors suite. It was called CineBistro if I remember right.
http://cinebistro.com/locations.php
^
Yes, something like that -- and there are several similar operators -- or Alamo Drafthouse.
Dustin 09-02-2015, 01:32 PM !!!
Awesome!
SoonerFP 09-02-2015, 01:46 PM I have been to a Studio Movie Grill (https://www.studiomoviegrill.com) in Texas that is the same concept. I've hear iPic theaters (https://www.ipictheaters.com) are very nice and are full service. So excited to see continued progress on all this area. Still hoping for a Bonefish Grill or Fogo de Chao around the lagoon, too.
gopokes88 09-02-2015, 02:21 PM I have been to a Studio Movie Grill (https://www.studiomoviegrill.com) in Texas that is the same concept. I've hear iPic theaters (https://www.ipictheaters.com) are very nice and are full service. So excited to see continued progress on all this area. Still hoping for a Bonefish Grill or Fogo de Chao around the lagoon, too.
And I'm hoping our local operators continue to step up in a huge way. A new Good egg or deep fork concept would be great. (I know Chisholm is getting a republic, I mean a whole new concept)
I bet you anything we see another Drake restaurant in Chisholm Creek.
Not inside info, just makes so much sense.
Teo9969 09-02-2015, 04:50 PM I would be disappointed to see another Drake up there.
I'd like to see another OKC restauranteur (Fleischfresser, Lowers, or Pete Holloway) take a stab at seafood as well and that would be a great thing for them to do. Certain concepts merit their own place. I think having a Drake up there would detract from 23rd, and I'd like to see a restaurant come in there that forces me to go up that direction.
I'd love for Signature Grill to ditch Danforth and post up shop in Chisolm Creek. They'd be closer to the rest of the metro and more involved in the action. Or at the very least, see Chef Clay Falkner put in a concept @ Chisolm Creek.
Eddie1 09-02-2015, 11:44 PM I would be disappointed to see another Drake up there.
I'd like to see another OKC restauranteur (Fleischfresser, Lowers, or Pete Holloway) take a stab at seafood as well and that would be a great thing for them to do. Certain concepts merit their own place. I think having a Drake up there would detract from 23rd, and I'd like to see a restaurant come in there that forces me to go up that direction.
I'd love for Signature Grill to ditch Danforth and post up shop in Chisolm Creek. They'd be closer to the rest of the metro and more involved in the action. Or at the very least, see Chef Clay Falkner put in a concept @ Chisolm Creek.
Good call on Signature Grill...imo the best, and sometimes over-looked, restraunt in the metro.
urbanCOWBOY 09-03-2015, 07:08 AM I would be disappointed to see another Drake up there.
There is something special about having one concept restaurant in Oklahoma City (something like Cheevers). Once a restaurant is duplicated, something feels lost. Especially immediately after its first one opens.
bchris02 09-03-2015, 10:42 AM I would be disappointed to see another Drake up there.
I'd like to see another OKC restauranteur (Fleischfresser, Lowers, or Pete Holloway) take a stab at seafood as well and that would be a great thing for them to do. Certain concepts merit their own place. I think having a Drake up there would detract from 23rd, and I'd like to see a restaurant come in there that forces me to go up that direction.
I'd love for Signature Grill to ditch Danforth and post up shop in Chisolm Creek. They'd be closer to the rest of the metro and more involved in the action. Or at the very least, see Chef Clay Falkner put in a concept @ Chisolm Creek.
I agree with this.
Not every successful downtown restaurant needs a suburban location and vice versa. I think something like McCormick & Schmicks might be a better fit for Chisholm Creek in my opinion.
chuck5815 09-03-2015, 11:22 AM I'd love for Signature Grill to ditch Danforth and post up shop in Chisolm Creek. They'd be closer to the rest of the metro and more involved in the action. Or at the very least, see Chef Clay Falkner put in a concept @ Chisolm Creek.
But that rent on Danforth, though!
Teo9969 09-03-2015, 11:59 AM There is something special about having one concept restaurant in Oklahoma City (something like Cheevers). Once a restaurant is duplicated, something feels lost. Especially immediately after its first one opens.
I mean, it depends on the restaurant.
Tuckers and S&Bs make perfect sense to start immediately franchising if you can. But those aren't and never will be destination restaurants either. You can make an argument to drive all the way from Norman to Signature Grill in north Edmond because the food is that unbelievably good. As much as I like Bon Jour, I'm not driving 20 minutes 2x to eat there. The Drake, I'd drive anywhere in the metro to go to based on my first visit alone. If I were Chisolm, I'd try and get 2 or 3 of those for every 10 non-fast food restaurants in the development.
Rover 09-03-2015, 12:16 PM I think the difference with Signature is the chef is the owner. With Drake, it is a corporate entity and most companies look to expand.
Rover 09-03-2015, 12:17 PM I agree with this.
Not every successful downtown restaurant needs a suburban location and vice versa. I think something like McCormick & Schmicks might be a better fit for Chisholm Creek in my opinion.
Or Capital Grille. Either would work at The Curve/Triangle
Teo9969 09-03-2015, 12:34 PM I think the difference with Signature is the chef is the owner. With Drake, it is a corporate entity and most companies look to expand.
It's their company and they certainly can choose to run it however they feel…but I just don't think you open more than one of that particular concept in the metro.
That being said, I'm bursting at the seams waiting for them to expand into Tulsa, and this + RePUBlic are probably the best options on the table.
2Lanez 09-03-2015, 01:47 PM It's their company and they certainly can choose to run it however they feel…but I just don't think you open more than one of that particular concept in the metro.
That being said, I'm bursting at the seams waiting for them to expand into Tulsa, and this + RePUBlic are probably the best options on the table.
I do think expanding in OKC would cost some cool factor. I think Tulsa, on the other hand, is doable. Elliot Nelson has done this with McNellie's, Dust Bowl, Fassler. Each new restaurant has developed its own identity to fit the new city/location.
The issue with the Drake is flying in seafood.
There are economies of scale if you have more than one location but you don't want them too far apart for obvious reasons.
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