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kevinpate
06-12-2014, 05:56 AM
I find myself a bit perplexed on how it would be better to ahve spent the 3.5M on incentives for a sporting goods store to be downtown, or anywhere in the inner core, rather than to the north (or to the south for that matter.) What would a Cabela's bring to the inner core that the Bass Pro folks love to hate doesn't already bring? How would it improve the desire for folk to move DT, or relocate office to DT? As for sales tax dollars, unless somehow sales would be higher DT than Memorial or 240 or where ever, a sales tax dollar is a sales tax dollar once it is inside the city limits.

As for Costco would be more worthy for incentives than Cabela's, never been in one. Is it truly that different than a Sam's that it would be such a grand idea if incentives for sleeping bags and bass boats etc. at Cabela's is a horrid idea (and yes, I know they have a wider selection than just that.

BoulderSooner
06-12-2014, 10:01 AM
This handout proves this city has no coherent retail strategy. As others have said, you hold your incentives for game changers. The fact we bribed Bass Pro to come here shows how utterly clueless this town is when it comes to attracting category leaders that spawn OTHER retailers to follow. Disappointed with the Chamber's efforts in this regard. We need some new blood and some new ideas.

And I agree completely with Spartan and Kerry: let's use this incentive program proactively and lure retail we really want here that changes the picture. The retail here is not worthy of a big league city, and Cabela's does nothing to change the trajectory of our city. If anything, it will merely cannibalize a category we already have in abundance.

Please develop a vision and strategy to cultivate a better, more diversified retail base in this city. Right now we have the keystone cops throwing money around haphazardly.

What a joke. Pretty sure the strategy is to bring in retail that will generate large sales receits. And this is a home run. 500 bucks per sq ft of sales We should give an incentive to any big box that can do the same

Just the facts
06-12-2014, 10:30 AM
To keep it real - that $500/sq ft was in 2012 and was the result of a huge increase (over 30%) in gun sales that year.

Analysis: Cabela's building on gun sale gains by leveraging data | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/24/us-usa-cabelas-guns-data-analysis-idUSBRE96M15H20130724)

ljbab728
06-29-2014, 12:49 AM
Steve's article about Cabela's history with incentives.

Fishing for a deal: Cabela's makes case for Oklahoma City store | News OK (http://newsok.com/fishing-for-a-deal-cabelas-makes-case-for-oklahoma-city-store/article/4983499)

zookeeper
06-29-2014, 03:04 AM
Steve's article about Cabela's history with incentives.

Fishing for a deal: Cabela's makes case for Oklahoma City store | News OK (http://newsok.com/fishing-for-a-deal-cabelas-makes-case-for-oklahoma-city-store/article/4983499)

Good, balanced article from Steve.

"The company, however, rarely misses an opportunity to collect incentives for new stores..."

"A 2012 study by the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity calculated incentives to Cabela’s over the past two decades from 20 cities totaling more than $550 million. At least another half dozen such deals have concluded since, though at least one city, Greenville, S.C., was able to land a store without any incentives for the company."

(That's my own emphasis in the bolding)

Dubya61
06-30-2014, 04:28 PM
Channel 5 had an editorial video where they praised Councilman Shadid for his concerns, but also praised the city for their investment.

Pete
06-30-2014, 04:33 PM
It just sets a bad precedent.

The only others we paid before were truly new and unique to the market at the time.

Cabela's is effectively like Bass Pro and if it's considered unique, then wouldn't every retailer new to OKC meet the same criteria?

Also, in the case where a chain is looking to open one location, there is very little risk it won't be located within the city limits.


It's not the money, it's that this will open the floodgates for every new-to-market business, because any could make the exact same case as Cabela's.

BoulderSooner
06-30-2014, 05:25 PM
Cabela's is effectively like Bass Pro

Disagree

Pete
06-30-2014, 05:28 PM
Disagree

How are they different?

I realize they are different companies but they have the same departments and the two stores will also be about the same size.

My point is there is enough differentiation that any other company (like Costco v. Sams) could also claim to be 'unique'.

OKCisOK4me
07-01-2014, 12:35 PM
How are they different?

I realize they are different companies but they have the same departments and the two stores will also be about the same size.

My point is there is enough differentiation that any other company (like Costco v. Sams) could also claim to be 'unique'.
I'll take this one.

Bass Pro is more of a touristy, kids are down with Bass Pro like they're down with Mossimo or No Fear head to toe clothing plus your everyday outdoor gear for the amateur outdoor enthusiast.

Cabelas on the other hand is a outdoor sporting good provider store for the elite of outdoor enthusiasts. My dad reloads his own bullets, he's a man's man when it comes to guns and hunting. He has a Cabelas credit card and has always ordered goods from them via catalogs or online orders. He's never set one foot in a Bass Pro shop or parking lot for that matter.

They're each perceived in a different light even though they both cater to the same crowd...

Just the facts
07-01-2014, 01:06 PM
On the plus side, this should allow OKC to redevelop the Bass Pro site in a few years. How long does Randy Hogan have control of Lower Bricktown?

Urbanized
07-01-2014, 07:07 PM
Until he sells it. He OWNS it.

Bass Pro, on the other hand, is owned by the City (the property, that is), and is in no danger of being redeveloped. It makes money hand over fist.

bluedogok
07-01-2014, 09:16 PM
They're each perceived in a different light even though they both cater to the same crowd...
I'll put that in terms that some here might understand......

Bass Pro=Sam's
Cabela's=Costco

Plutonic Panda
07-01-2014, 09:27 PM
I'll put that in terms that some here might understand......

Bass Pro=Sam's
Cabela's=Costcoman... I'll have to take some pictures of the Bass Pro in Bricktown.... It seems some have never been to that one. I've never been in any else where, but this one had to have millions poured into it and it is no way shape or form comparable to a low end cheaply store like SAMs or Walmart

bluedogok
07-01-2014, 09:41 PM
man... I'll have to take some pictures of the Bass Pro in Bricktown.... It seems some have never been to that one. I've never been in any else where, but this one had to have millions poured into it and it is no way shape or form comparable to a low end cheaply store like SAMs or Walmart
I was talking about customer perception, I was just trying to put it in terms that some would understand. To me there is no great difference between a Costco store and a Sam's store but some feel there is this huge chasm between the two. I do think there is a slightly better quality to the store brand clothing at Cabela's than there is at Bass Pro, I have plenty of casual clothes from both but prefer Cabela's, it's easier to get to for us. For the most part the Bass Pro and Cabela's stores are very similar in construction/style.

Most Sam's/Walmart stores are not "cheap" anymore, not like they were when the first ones were built in MWC and I-40 & MacArthur, those were some of the first Sam's stores in existence, they are far from that anymore. A Nordstrom they aren't but they aren't Star metal buildings either.

Plutonic Panda
07-01-2014, 10:24 PM
I was talking about customer perception, I was just trying to put it in terms that some would understand. To me there is no great difference between a Costco store and a Sam's store but some feel there is this huge chasm between the two. I do think there is a slightly better quality to the store brand clothing at Cabela's than there is at Bass Pro, I have plenty of casual clothes from both but prefer Cabela's, it's easier to get to for us. For the most part the Bass Pro and Cabela's stores are very similar in construction/style.

Most Sam's/Walmart stores are not "cheap" anymore, not like they were when the first ones were built in MWC and I-40 & MacArthur, those were some of the first Sam's stores in existence, they are far from that anymore. A Nordstrom they aren't but they aren't Star metal buildings either.Oh, I see.. my bad

Plutonic Panda
07-01-2014, 10:51 PM
Game for Cabela?s: OKC Council approves $3.5M agreement with sporting goods chain | The Journal Record (http://journalrecord.com/2014/07/01/game-for-cabelas-council-approves-3-5m-agreement-with-sporting-goods-chain/)

WaywardMemphian
07-12-2014, 11:44 PM
It just sets a bad precedent.

The only others we paid before were truly new and unique to the market at the time.

Cabela's is effectively like Bass Pro and if it's considered unique, then wouldn't every retailer new to OKC meet the same criteria?

Also, in the case where a chain is looking to open one location, there is very little risk it won't be located within the city limits.


It's not the money, it's that this will open the floodgates for every new-to-market business, because any could make the exact same case as Cabela's.

I don't think the Cabela's here in NWA got much in the way of incentives. I agree that Bass Pro and Cabela's are now just big box retail formula stores and that it's not the unique thing it used to be and don't get the incentives they still seek. I've been in many in my travels and have to say there's not that much difference. I will give the nod to Bass Pro of the usual aquarium centerpiece, they really try to make them different from store to store, Cabela's seems to have that one look it goes for. Bass Pro is getting more adventurous in it's non Springfield stores, they are turning the Pyramid Arena in Memphis into a store, it will have a 100 room hotel that overlooks a cypress swamp complete with full size replica trees and alligators in what used to be the arena floor, along with a glass elevator to the observation deck that was to have had a Hard Rock Café once but was never opened to the public. The City did do the seismic retrofit for the project and it wasn't cheap.

bchris02
07-13-2014, 10:55 PM
I don't think the Cabela's here in NWA got much in the way of incentives. I agree that Bass Pro and Cabela's are now just big box retail formula stores and that it's not the unique thing it used to be and don't get the incentives they still seek. I've been in many in my travels and have to say there's not that much difference. I will give the nod to Bass Pro of the usual aquarium centerpiece, they really try to make them different from store to store, Cabela's seems to have that one look it goes for. Bass Pro is getting more adventurous in it's non Springfield stores, they are turning the Pyramid Arena in Memphis into a store, it will have a 100 room hotel that overlooks a cypress swamp complete with full size replica trees and alligators in what used to be the arena floor, along with a glass elevator to the observation deck that was to have had a Hard Rock Café once but was never opened to the public. The City did do the seismic retrofit for the project and it wasn't cheap.

Is this back on track? I remember it being talked about in the mid-2000s but it never actually happened.

WaywardMemphian
07-13-2014, 11:34 PM
Is this back on track? I remember it being talked about in the mid-2000s but it never actually happened.

oh yeah, it's full on, balls to the walls construction going on right now. It will also have a Ducks Unlimited Waterfowling Museum.

Pete
08-27-2014, 01:17 PM
$12.15 million building permit filed today for an 80,030 square foot structure.

Zuplar
08-27-2014, 01:46 PM
I'll definitely go for the bargain cave once they open.

Plutonic Panda
08-27-2014, 02:32 PM
$12.15 million building permit filed today for an 80,030 square foot structure.
Sorry, but does that mean they are free to start construction or does it have to get approved first?

oklip955
08-27-2014, 03:31 PM
I'll most likely run into you in the bargain cave Lots of good deals on stuff. A lot of it is returns from their cataloge which was the wrong size for the person who ordered it or something like that.

okclee
08-27-2014, 03:38 PM
Are most of the Cabelas built the same?

I'm asking because Bass Pro has so many different type of new stores. The Bass Pro in Colorado Springs has an underground bowling alley.

poe
08-27-2014, 06:44 PM
With that square footage, I bet it is built like the store in Wichita. Their website says that store is 80,000 square feet.

bluedogok
08-27-2014, 09:20 PM
The stores here in the Denver area are 90,000 (Thornton) and 110,000 (Lone Tree). I know the 80,000 is pretty much their standard size they are building to now as opposed to the 185,000 sf store in Buda south of Austin. That may have been the last of the mega stores for them from an article I read somewhere.

Soonerman
08-27-2014, 09:41 PM
The one in Fort Worth is over 200,000 sf.

bluedogok
08-28-2014, 09:15 PM
There are several bigger but most of those huge ones were built before 2009, they have modified their design standard to a couple of smaller ones in a market (like they did here in Denver) instead of one large one in a market the size of Fort Worth or Austin. There was an article in the Denver Business Journal about the change when the ones up here were announced.

jn1780
09-21-2014, 03:45 PM
Dirt work has started on this.

Plutonic Panda
09-21-2014, 07:10 PM
Agreed

Pete
10-17-2014, 01:41 PM
Renderings and site plan submitted to Planning Commission:



http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/retail-services/9315d1413571209-cabelas-cabelas101714a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/retail-services/9314d1413571208-cabelas-cabelas101714b.jpg

warreng88
10-17-2014, 02:14 PM
Pete, not to take this thing too far off topic, but what do you think could be the next announcement for this development? I would think hotel or office space, but you are more in the know than I am.

Pete
10-17-2014, 02:16 PM
Pete, not to take this thing too far off topic, but what do you think could be the next announcement for this development? I would think hotel or office space, but you are more in the know than I am.

I know they are working on a large up-scale apartment deal.

warreng88
10-17-2014, 02:20 PM
I know they are working on a large up-scale apartment deal.

In that development, I would hope it would be urban looking. Thanks for the info Pete.

Plutonic Panda
11-15-2014, 06:41 PM
Just a bunch of dirt right now.

11/15/2014

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5602/15798005895_0f7d6eea93_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7463/15178054884_a1cdc03206_b.jpg

ljbab728
11-16-2014, 12:56 AM
It's a nice pile of dirt anyway, Plupan. :)

Plutonic Panda
11-16-2014, 03:13 AM
It's a nice pile of dirt anyway, Plupan. :)
yeah, out of all the piles of dirt I've seen in my life, this ranks up there. I like the pile of dirt that used to be sitting on the 635 project in Dallas better though ;)

BrettM2
11-16-2014, 11:25 AM
yeah, out of all the piles of dirt I've seen in my life, this ranks up there. I like the pile of dirt that used to be sitting on the 635 project in Dallas better though ;)

I'm shocked you like it... it isn't 40 stories tall. :Smiley122

Plutonic Panda
12-27-2014, 04:00 PM
Foundation is starting to go in.

12/27/2014

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7554/16096849696_98f61b2d89_b.jpg

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8651/15502946033_06f47185ec_b.jpg

bombermwc
12-31-2014, 08:41 AM
Bass Pro II huh, yawn.

OKCisOK4me
12-31-2014, 09:35 AM
Bass Pro II huh, yawn.

Far cry...

MadMonk
12-31-2014, 10:44 AM
This will be nice. I'm glad I won't have to go down to Bricktown to shop at a decent outdoors store.

Richard at Remax
01-05-2015, 09:30 AM
Crane was up and running on the site as of this morning.

RadicalModerate
01-05-2015, 01:48 PM
I've driven by the Cabala's on I-35--somewhere around Fairibou (sp?) MN at least a dozen times and have never stopped. Perhaps due to a visit to the Slowest Burger King in the World in Albert Lea, about an hour south of there. I must admit that a sip of a Blizzzard, at the DQ in Cambridge was refreshing, yet . . . somehow the Big Deal eludes me.

oklip955
01-05-2015, 05:28 PM
It's in Owatonna or Medford. I've only been in that one and the one in KC. I like the one in Minn better. Much nicer then Bass Pro. Also if you are in the area, in Faribault, there is one of the oldest woolen mills that dates to just after the civil war. They make blankets and other stuff. It went out in '09 but a handful of employees have brought it back in the last year or so. If you want nice Made in the USA blankets stop into there outlet at the factory. Also there is a blue cheese operation in caves along the river. You can buy the blue cheese at Sprouts in Edmond and most likely the other ones in the OKC area. Also if you go my Medford, there is a small outlet mall that is one step from dead. There is a Pendelton and Eddie Bauer outlet store in there. Check out the excellent prices there. They have both men's and ladies wear. I bought a $159 skirt for $35. Anyway if you are still up there, enjoy.

John Knight
01-07-2015, 11:05 AM
Courtesy of Chisholm Creek:

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Pete
01-10-2015, 03:59 PM
From https://twitter.com/ChisholmCreek:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7BEgHtCIAA9dxB.jpg:large

Bellaboo
01-11-2015, 09:23 AM
I'm guessing at the top right of this picture, the fresh dirt, is that the new Baker Hughes facility ?

Pete
01-11-2015, 10:28 AM
^

Yes, that's correct.

Plutonic Panda
01-22-2015, 03:17 PM
1/22/2015

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7485/16157368297_95b04c48bd_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7542/16157367177_d2cd8404bd_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7472/16155883400_7f1bfd63b1_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7567/16342379052_1994da01c4_b.jpg

Plutonic Panda
01-22-2015, 03:18 PM
I accidentally uploaded those in large version. Sorry.

Zuplar
01-22-2015, 03:28 PM
It's coming right along. Is that the hospital in the background? I thought it was opened?

Plutonic Panda
01-22-2015, 03:30 PM
It's coming right along. Is that the hospital in the background? I thought it was opened?There were tons of cars in the parking lot. I didn't see if it was officially open or not.

Zuplar
01-22-2015, 03:47 PM
There were tons of cars in the parking lot. I didn't see if it was officially open or not.

I thought it was supposed to open when the Mustang did is why I ask and the Mustang one opened in December.

jn1780
01-22-2015, 03:55 PM
There were tons of cars in the parking lot. I didn't see if it was officially open or not.

I believe its suppose to open the first half of next month.

Zuplar
01-23-2015, 10:43 AM
Yeah according to their site Feb 2015.

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metro
01-24-2015, 07:57 PM
Yeah I don't think the hospital is open yet, it's a pretty massive project, and hospitals are super complex on the interior. Drove by the Cabela's today and it's taking shape like the pictures above indicate, but it looks like a super small footprint for a Cabela's.

NWOKCGuy
01-25-2015, 01:16 PM
Yeah I don't think the hospital is open yet, it's a pretty massive project, and hospitals are super complex on the interior. Drove by the Cabela's today and it's taking shape like the pictures above indicate, but it looks like a super small footprint for a Cabela's.

I think their average store size is around 85,000. This was announced to be 90-98,000.

bluedogok
01-25-2015, 05:27 PM
I think their average store size is around 85,000. This was announced to be 90-98,000.
The store in Buda, Texas (south of Austin) is 185,000 sf but not too long after that one was built they announced they were going to go to build smaller locations instead of the huge megastores and 85-100K is what they are building for the most part now. They have the store sizes listed on the website. Here are the stores in the region.

Arkansas
Rogers - 8/2012: 100,000 sf

Colorado
Grand Junction - 5/2010: 70,000 sf
Lone Tree (South Denver) - 8/2013: 110,000 sf
Thornton (North Denver) - 8/2013: 90,000 sf

Kansas
Kansas City - 8/2002: 170,000 sf
Wichita - 3/2012: 80,000 sf

Missouri
Hazelwood (StL) - 4/2007: 130,000 sf

Texas
Allen (Dallas) - 4/2011: 100,000 sf
Buda (Austin) - 6/2005: 185,000 sf
Fort Worth - 5/2005: 230,000 sf
Lubbock - 6/2014: 46,000 sf
Waco - 10/2013: 42,000 sf