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AP
05-05-2014, 11:23 AM
address=205 N. Walnut
sq. feet=2,181 SF
acreage=.2128 acres

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Pete
05-05-2014, 11:26 AM
County Assessor Record (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R020024800)

warreng88
05-05-2014, 11:29 AM
Mark McDonald and Darell McDonald. Bought it back in 2006 for $285,000. The building itself is only 2,181 square feet but it looks like there is some space behind it. Here is the county assessor page of it:

Leonard Sullivan Oklahoma County Assessor Real Property Detail Sheet (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R020024800)

Chadanth
05-05-2014, 12:12 PM
Mark McDonald and Darell McDonald. Bought it back in 2006 for $285,000. The building itself is only 2,181 square feet but it looks like there is some space behind it. Here is the county assessor page of it:

Leonard Sullivan Oklahoma County Assessor Real Property Detail Sheet (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R020024800)

Would be a great place for another small pub, could have some outdoor seating, etc. I do suspect the south facing side and the concrete will need too much work to make it viable.

shawnw
05-05-2014, 12:24 PM
This is one of those places that would have to have a rooftop... yeah there's the parking lot there, but the view overlooking Bricktown...

warreng88
05-05-2014, 12:37 PM
This is one of those places that would have to have a rooftop... yeah there's the parking lot there, but the view overlooking Bricktown...

Absolutely. Some of those trees might have to be trimmed/cut down. Not sure what, if any, kind of damage those trees have done to the foundation/structure of the building. I am curious what kind of shape the building is in. Of course, once something does get put in there, get ready for the "Where is everyone going to park?" comments even though there is a huge parking lot south of it. It would be cool for Jim Thompson (owner of aLoft) to buy it and make it a restaurant and people can park in the aLoft parking garage.

betts
05-05-2014, 12:38 PM
It was open the other day so I walked in and looked around. There was a ladder and some minor construction tools lying around. It's a lot bigger than I thought. I figured something was going to happen with it.

shawnw
05-05-2014, 12:48 PM
It would be cool for Jim Thompson (owner of aLoft) to buy it and make it a restaurant and people can park in the aLoft parking garage.

I'm cool with this idea, but I want him to fill the Aloft restaurant space first.

Anonymous.
05-05-2014, 01:15 PM
We look in this building often, it gives a "haunted" feel to it at night. I really like it.

However, it looks like a lot of work from the outside. The foundation looks pretty washed out and the tree roots look to have a part in this. Bulldozer may be only feasible option.

shawnw
05-05-2014, 01:19 PM
Obviously saving the building would be preferable, but a new structure on this site would be okay. I was shocked that Aloft didn't buy it originally to incorporate into their site.

Urbanized
05-05-2014, 01:20 PM
Quick, someone call Steve Mason. It's not any further gone than the houses on 9th were...

catch22
05-05-2014, 01:22 PM
I sure hope not....

Anonymous.
05-05-2014, 01:26 PM
I will try and get some more photos of this place. I have been wanting to, already.

warreng88
05-05-2014, 01:29 PM
I'm cool with this idea, but I want him to fill the Aloft restaurant space first.

Of course.

5alive
05-05-2014, 01:48 PM
Recent photo

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UnFrSaKn
05-05-2014, 02:12 PM
March 2014

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dankrutka
04-02-2015, 10:17 PM
Not sure the address of the small building just south of Aloft, but it seems ripe for development, especially with all the outdoor space who owns it?

10573

10574

10575

Feel free to separate this into its own thread.

shawnw
04-03-2015, 10:37 AM
I think it has one... yeah many have had dreams for that building over the years... I think Pete said a family bought it not all that long ago...

AP
04-03-2015, 10:38 AM
Every single time I walk by I dream of opening a bar there.

I also didn't realize there was that much space back there. That would make an awesome beer garden.

dankrutka
04-03-2015, 10:46 AM
I also didn't realize there was that much space back there. That would make an awesome beer garden.

Yeah. I couldn't believe how much space there was in the back. It really could be an incredible environment as its sunk in next to Aloft, but the trees could be trimmed to still provide a nice view of Bricktown/downtown.

Pete
04-03-2015, 10:51 AM
It's been owned by the same group for the last nine years.

Don't know what they are waiting for... Either develop the property or get it in the hands of someone who will.

Could be so cool. It's about 2,100 square feet on almost a quarter acre, so there is lots of potential.

catch22
04-03-2015, 10:54 AM
I think a coffee shop would be a great fit. Every building doesn't have to be a bar or dinner restaurant, especially if we are building a neighborhood and not just a district. We need daytime uses to balance things out.

Pete
04-03-2015, 10:55 AM
Also, someone should report this property to the City's action line for graffiti.

If the property owners start getting fined, they'll be far more motivated to do something with the property.

dankrutka
04-03-2015, 11:05 AM
I think a coffee shop would be a great fit. Every building doesn't have to be a bar or dinner restaurant, especially if we are building a neighborhood and not just a district. We need daytime uses to balance things out.

There is a coffee shop going in one block away... I think a lot of concepts could work here. Personally, I really love the coffee house + bar (with light food options) combination that keeps the space active from 7am to 2am. :) I'm not sure the huge outdoor space is conducive to coffee though, right? Not many coffee shops seem to have/use large outdoor spaces as computer screens and reading/studying/working doesn't go as well with the glare of the sun and gusts of wind...

catch22
04-03-2015, 11:18 AM
There is a coffee shop going in one block away... I think a lot of concepts could work here. Personally, I really love the coffee house + bar (with light food options) combination that keeps the space active from 7am to 2am. :) I'm not sure the huge outdoor space is conducive to coffee though, right? Not many coffee shops seem to have/use large outdoor spaces as computer screens and reading/studying/working doesn't go as well with the glare of the sun and gusts of wind...

If we are simply going off of nearby concepts, there are 6 bars (including restaurants with serious bars) within a block, and only 1 coffee shop.

Perhaps a breakfast diner with a lunch patio?

betts
04-05-2015, 07:10 PM
Yeah. I couldn't believe how much space there was in the back. It really could be an incredible environment as its sunk in next to Aloft, but the trees could be trimmed to still provide a nice view of Bricktown/downtown.

You should see how much space is inside. One day the door was open and I walked in. There's a big basement too. There is plenty of room for a bar or a restaurant with a smaller kitchen. It's really a shame it hasn't been developed yet.

Pete
04-08-2015, 10:22 AM
Moved a bunch of posts here:

http://www.okctalk.com/general-food-drink-topics/28870-late-night-drink-dining-options-okc.html

Anonymous.
12-07-2015, 11:02 PM
I want a rooftop/big deck bar/restaurant here so badly. Rumor mill churning on this property lately.

bchris02
12-07-2015, 11:50 PM
I would love to see a bar like this open in OKC. It's a niche that is yet unfilled here to my knowledge.

Home | British Beverage Co. (http://bbcpub.com/)

Went there when I was in Dallas this weekend and it was amazing. I was thinking to myself that OKC needs a place like that and if I had the money and the knowledge I might try to open it. I would show all sports on the TVs but focus primarily on soccer. Food would be traditional British fare and I would serve beer the way it is served at Fassler Hall. 205 N Walnut might be a good location, or somewhere in the Plaza district.

oklip955
12-08-2015, 09:50 AM
Ok, here is my idea. We need a speciality spice (Pensey's would be nice) shop that would also sell coffee and teas. Basically a store that would attract shoppers from all over the metro area and beyond. Maybe, they could also offer an outdoor space to drink coffee and tea that they would brew along with a bunch of out of town newspapers/magazines, add a few board games and a large screen tv. The spice store on Western is nothing compared to Pensey's. I drive to Dallas or KC and stop in and buy stuff.

shawnw
12-08-2015, 09:54 AM
This site possibly presents parking challenges considering Aloft has been uber stingy with their parking garage.

oklip955
12-08-2015, 10:08 AM
Another idea, how about a real bakery. Not a donut shop, but one that might sell fresh bread/rolls and breakfast pastry. Danish or other flakey pastry, have an outdoor seating area for people to grab a cup of coffee or tea and eat there Danish. You could also pick up that loaf of fresh bread to go with breakfast or dinner.

oklip955
12-08-2015, 10:09 AM
Also fancy cakes by the slice to go with your coffee.

Pete
12-08-2015, 10:14 AM
Another idea, how about a real bakery. Not a donut shop, but one that might sell fresh bread/rolls and breakfast pastry. Danish or other flakey pastry, have an outdoor seating area for people to grab a cup of coffee or tea and eat there Danish. You could also pick up that loaf of fresh bread to go with breakfast or dinner.

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Pete
01-28-2016, 11:46 AM
OKCTalk - Unique, historic building sells in Deep Deuce (http://www.okctalk.com/content/241-unique-historic-building-sells-deep-deuce.html)

AP
01-28-2016, 11:54 AM
Oh man, I hope he does something cool with this building. I've had my eyes on it for a long time.

bchris02
01-28-2016, 12:00 PM
If I was wealthy enough, I would have bought it and opened up a genuine English pub there. The focus would be traditional British fare, beer, and soccer, with live music nights as well.

Pete
01-28-2016, 12:02 PM
Jeff Johnson is a great steward for this property.

He's done a lot of high-quality renovation and typically gets things done.

Parking is going to be a big challenge unless they can work something out with Aloft.

bradh
01-28-2016, 12:11 PM
Jeff Johnson is a great steward for this property.

He's done a lot of high-quality renovation and typically gets things done.

Parking is going to be a big challenge unless they can work something out with Aloft.

The easy answer is parking underneath the bridge, but I don't remember if there are stairs on the north end of that bridge.

Pete
01-28-2016, 12:17 PM
The easy answer is parking underneath the bridge, but I don't remember if there are stairs on the north end of that bridge.

There are stairs on both sides of the bridge at the south end but none on the north end, so people parking below would have to backtrack a bit then walk over the bridge and I doubt few people would even know to do this.

bradh
01-28-2016, 12:19 PM
There are stairs on both sides of the bridge at the south end but none on the north end, so people parking below would have to backtrack a bit then walk over the bridge and I doubt few people would even know to do this.

Probably have issues with the railroad there, assuming they still own that right of way

Pete
01-28-2016, 12:21 PM
^

Yes, same issues as OKSea has which is why they built that movable staircase.

The area near this property is much steeper though.

Colbafone
01-28-2016, 12:31 PM
$275,000? That seems like a total steal. Also would be a great spot for a 24/7 type restaurant.

betts
01-28-2016, 02:07 PM
It's a lot bigger inside than it looks, too. It was open one day and I walked through. There's a surprising amount of square footage.

dankrutka
01-28-2016, 04:02 PM
If they clear some of the brush and tree limps, and add a nice neon sign I wonder if people would make the trek from Bricktown...

AP
02-02-2016, 03:11 PM
Blighted Deep Deuce building purchased, to be renovated | News OK (http://newsok.com/blighted-deep-deuce-building-purchased-to-be-renovated/article/5475427)

Pete
12-23-2016, 09:17 AM
The current owners are trying to lease this as restaurant space and offering to do the following renovations. Design is by AHMM architects.

The space in the back has amazing potential. The biggest obstacle is parking as you can't even park on the street anywhere on Walnut. It would be nice to work something out with the Aloft which has that structured parking just to the north.



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pickles
12-23-2016, 09:33 AM
Aroused.

shawnw
12-23-2016, 09:38 AM
I'm eager for something to happen with this property, and I think they are making a valiant effort. But I'm not sure about this layout, not that I have a better idea or anything. If it were me I'd preserve the existing structure but build a support framework around it to where I could add at least one floor of inside space and then have a rooftop (I realize this is a very costly proposal that may not be affordable to the current owners). The view from this area is just too good to not try that. The trees could be trimmed to allow a better view from a rooftop but probably not from the patio. How are the future apartment dwellers supposed to get to their residences? If that future apartment building is 4-5 stories but very slender (basically a unit per floor) there could be some special views from it.

Also I hope they don't paint it white, the current structure.

Timshel
12-23-2016, 12:14 PM
I assume the "future apartments" on the site plan are purely conceptual? Or is there anything in the works regarding apartments in that location? Could do some really cool/different things with that space.

Pete
12-23-2016, 12:17 PM
I assume the "future apartments" on the site plan are purely conceptual? Or is there anything in the works regarding apartments in that location? Could do some really cool/different things with that space.

I'm not sure what that is all about.

Not even sure how those would be accessed.

warreng88
12-23-2016, 12:21 PM
I'm not sure what that is all about.

Not even sure how those would be accessed.

I would think it would be from the ROW between the building and the parking garage. I would be curious where the people who live there would put their cars.

Timshel
12-23-2016, 12:25 PM
I would think it would be from the ROW between the building and the parking garage. I would be curious where the people who live there would put their cars.

I like the common area between the Garage, the Guardian apartments, and the offices on the back side of the Packard building and wonder if something similar could work here (though that's not what the renderings indicate). Clearly parking would be the issue, though.

Spartan
12-25-2016, 01:14 PM
Shared parking could make Aloft some extra revenue, and I'm sure there's 5-10 spaces to spare.

I find it interesting that not only are sliver parcels getting solid infill coverage whether they be in midtown or Deep Deuce, but also every developable parcel adjacent the old Rock Island tracks is getting quality infill. Soon the HSR-in-waiting ROW will be solidly bounded by dense development, calling the question of HSR is for real or not.

This is also a testament that the market is strong. Development pressure and policy are working together to concentrate density and infill in creative, pleasantly unforeseen ways. This is how an urban real estate market is supposed to function.

T. Jamison
10-10-2017, 01:56 PM
This property was purchased in February of 2017 for $654,000.
$275,000 in January of 2016, to $654,000 inf February of 2017 is one hell of a jump.
Does anyone know if anything happened between those two dates? I couldn't find any building permits. or notice a change from the street view.

Pete
10-10-2017, 05:14 PM
This property was purchased in February of 2017 for $654,000.
$275,000 in January of 2016, to $654,000 inf February of 2017 is one hell of a jump.
Does anyone know if anything happened between those two dates? I couldn't find any building permits. or notice a change from the street view.

The new owner is a downtown architect.

The plans shared upstream were for the previous owner and they appear to be completely scrapped now.

There has been no movement here -- permits or otherwise -- since the change in ownership.

AlvarezK
06-06-2020, 10:59 PM
The new owner is a downtown architect.

The plans shared upstream were for the previous owner and they appear to be completely scrapped now.

There has been no movement here -- permits or otherwise -- since the change in ownership.

If the property goes for sale I’d be interested in purchasing it if anyone has any info please contact me

Cocaine
06-08-2020, 11:44 PM
I think a coffee shop would be a great fit. Every building doesn't have to be a bar or dinner restaurant, especially if we are building a neighborhood and not just a district. We need daytime uses to balance things out.

It could honestly be both. A hell a lot places near my apartment in Guangzhou are coffee shop / bars. They also serve a few snacks so it could always be both.

https://insideretail.asia/2018/03/23/starbucks-hong-kong-adds-alcohol-to-ifc-mall-menu/

This isn't the best example but plenty of smaller coffee shops double as bars and have a decent selection of beer's as well as mixed drinks. Obviously not like a bar that would have 16 beers on tap and a long list of mixed drinks and high end alcohol but a decent amount.

sooner88
06-09-2020, 08:23 AM
It could honestly be both. A hell a lot places near my apartment in Guangzhou are coffee shop / bars. They also serve a few snacks so it could always be both.

https://insideretail.asia/2018/03/23/starbucks-hong-kong-adds-alcohol-to-ifc-mall-menu/

This isn't the best example but plenty of smaller coffee shops double as bars and have a decent selection of beer's as well as mixed drinks. Obviously not like a bar that would have 16 beers on tap and a long list of mixed drinks and high end alcohol but a decent amount.

Tulsa has a great coffee / cocktail bar that we visited on our last trip. Would love something similar in OKC.

https://www.hodges-bend.com/

3nglnd
07-24-2020, 10:07 AM
I noticed on my walk this morning that there's a new Windstone Contruction banner hanging on the front of this property. Is there maybe, potentially, something moving forward here?