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Rover
04-28-2014, 01:07 PM
If they make Sterling leave , I wonder who will step up to buy the franchise... Magics group perhaps? The more i think about it it wouldnt surprise me if she is in on it with Magic

You just keep trying to make HIM a victim. WOW. He's a racist pure and simple. He's an idiot pure and simple. He is married and has a lover, so I guess he is an adulterer pure and simple. So THIS is the kind of human being you are trying so hard to justify and support. WOW, just WOW.

Richard at Remax
04-28-2014, 01:09 PM
all of sterlings nonsense aside, I think the girl is just as bad morally using someone's terrible views for blackmail and extortion in order to get money and fame. just a sad situation all around.

Pete
04-28-2014, 01:11 PM
People probably have forgotten that Marge Schott was suspended from baseball then forced the sell the Reds after a series of racist comments.

I suspect Sterling will get at least a year suspension and may ultimately be forced to sell.

Garin
04-28-2014, 01:29 PM
You just keep trying to make HIM a victim. WOW. He's a racist pure and simple. He's an idiot pure and simple. He is married and has a lover, so I guess he is an adulterer pure and simple. So THIS is the kind of human being you are trying so hard to justify and support. WOW, just WOW.

Kobe Bryant cheated on his wife , Magic Johnson cheated on his wife, Were they ever on tape making racial slurs maybe & maybe not...... As Oprah says that Generation of old ( white bigots ) people just need to hurry up and die.

Just the facts
04-28-2014, 01:40 PM
If people would just what they are supposed to do and not what they want to do none of this would happen to them.

Jersey Boss
04-28-2014, 02:20 PM
all of sterlings nonsense aside, I think the girl is just as bad morally using someone's terrible views for blackmail and extortion in order to get money and fame. just a sad situation all around.

Maybe, maybe not, however the issue at hand and the topic is Sterling. It seems as if you are trying to mitigate the behavior of this old bigot by casting stones at the girl friend. Don't kill the messenger applies here.

Rover
04-28-2014, 02:23 PM
Kobe Bryant cheated on his wife , Magic Johnson cheated on his wife, Were they ever on tape making racial slurs maybe & maybe not...... As Oprah says that Generation of old ( white bigots ) people just need to hurry up and die.

You can deflect all you want, he is still a despicable racist idiot adulterer. Other people being idiots doesn't excuse him or the fact you endorse this kind of person. If the best anyone can come up to defend him is "but other people do it", it is pathetic. Childlike logic will never make him other than what he is and his supporters other than what they are.

hoya
04-28-2014, 04:19 PM
You can deflect all you want, he is still a despicable racist idiot adulterer. Other people being idiots doesn't excuse him or the fact you endorse this kind of person. If the best anyone can come up to defend him is "but other people do it", it is pathetic. Childlike logic will never make him other than what he is and his supporters other than what they are.

I didn't listen to more than a minute of the tape (so caveat emptor). The best I could say to defend him is that he's an 80 year old man and he's free to associate (or not associate) with whoever he wants. Doesn't make him any less racist, but he's far from the only person who doesn't want to be around certain people in his personal life. Here we have an inside look into a domestic dispute (in this case, a rich old racist and his ho-bag girlfriend). In domestic disputes you usually see people at their worst.

I'm not saying his statements make him a good person. But let's not pretend that we're surprised that an 80 year old rich white guy doesn't like minorities.

The NBA needs to respond, and he should be encouraged to take a much less visible role with the team.

Pete
04-28-2014, 04:32 PM
Especially for younger people, there is often a lack of understanding about how racist the world was as recently as the 60's and 70's.

I was born in 1960 and remember that schools were almost completely segregated in OKC until the late 60's or so when they forcibly bussed black kids to schools like Northwest Classen and John Marshall. I remember when my older sister (and Alvan Adams) was a senior at Putnam City in 1972, they played some of the OKC schools in basketball during the day due to racial tension.

My sophomore year at PC we almost cancelled our football homecoming game against US Grant because of a recent race-related shooting at that school. And that was in 1975.

When I graduated from PC in 1978 with 1,000 other kids, there was ONE black in our class. One out of thousand.

I also remember adults openly saying the N word in the 70's and that racial slurs and jokes were common and nobody seemed to care a whole lot. My house mother at OU *only* referred to blacks by the N word and while most of us didn't like it, she continued on in that position through the late 80's.

All this just wasn't that long ago, let alone all the "separate but equal" back-of-the-bus laws in the deep south.


I know many people think society has become too sensitive and that people just need to stop talking about racism, but a good percentage of present-day adults -- and thus, those holding most the power -- grew up with the things I described and therefore have beliefs and attitudes about race that often run very deep. Keep in mind that most the influential people in this country are generally my age or older.

Things are changing, but a lot more slowly than most would prefer to believe.

onthestrip
04-28-2014, 04:36 PM
Clippers sponsors are dropping like flies. Sprint, Redbull, Kia, Lumber Liquidators...

dankrutka
04-28-2014, 04:58 PM
I know many people think society has become too sensitive and that people just need to stop talking about racism, but a good percentage of present-day adults -- and thus, those holding most the power -- grew up with the things I described and therefore have beliefs and attitudes about race that often run very deep. Keep in mind that most the influential people in this country are generally my age or older.

Things are changing, but a lot more slowly than most would prefer to believe.

The world, and particularly our fellow humans, is/are far too complex to fully understand so we all create schemas to simplify it. Unfortunately, this means that we all create stereotypes for different groups/types of people as we try to understand the them. Misconceptions based on differences (e.g., race, language, (dis)ability, religion sexual orientation...) will never fully go away. All we can do is have humility and actively work not to judge individuals based on our (mis)understandings of groups. Racial and ethnic stereotypes often cut the deepest because of our country's history... So, there's no post-racial society coming any time where these conversations will cease to exist. We just have to learn to have humility and appreciate differences to make our pluralistic society work well.

Stan Silliman
04-28-2014, 05:14 PM
I do have a theory I'd like to run out as why Sterling's being brought down now when he could've just as easily taken a fall for all his misdeeds and wrong thinking many years earlier. I call it the Sam Kinison syndrome and it boils down to "God will get ya when He's good and ready." If you remember when Sam Kinison died, you'll understand it. Kinison died in car accident (being hit by a drunk while changing a tire) on his honeymoon after marrying the love of his life who not only got him off drugs and booze but had him heading back to Jesus. Prior to meeting his wife, Sam was a profound boozer and abuser, and sacreligious performer who could have overdosed a hundred times and everyone would have understood his plight and his unhappiness.

However God waited until Sam was in bliss, totally clean and totally happy so that he could completely understand his punishment.

I see Donald Sterling in the same way. He could have had his comeuppance dozens of times but the Clippers were crap. Sterling may have even thought that he had mellowed, changed his ways, that he was becoming less racist in his mind by employing the two highest Q and well liked black guys in basketball - Blake Griffin and Chris Paul. He even employed the best liked black coach in the NBA. And there was a strong likelihood he might finally win an NBA championship. He was even in line to get another NAACP award. His lifetime of works, the goods and the bads, it was all getting ready to pay off prestige wise. That's when God sends the sexy model Vanessa Stiviano his way.

It's the Sam Kinison payback - wait until everything seems to be going your way - then Zap - sorry 'bout that. "Vengeance is Mine. And I'll do My Way." Sorry, Frank S.

Garin
04-28-2014, 05:51 PM
NBA News: Magic Johnson, Guggenheim Partners Want To Buy The Clippers | Lakers Nation (http://www.lakersnation.com/nba-news-magic-johnson-guggenheim-partners-want-to-buy-the-clippers/2014/04/28/)

Here's the real story, if this ends up happening you can bet your bottom dollar that Magic was behind this whole set up. And for the record I don't support any of the racist comments the guy made. But he was definitely setup by the oh bag and will soon find out who else.


Magics been doing shows all day today saying the nba needs to take the clippers away.

Snowman
04-28-2014, 08:13 PM
NBA News: Magic Johnson, Guggenheim Partners Want To Buy The Clippers | Lakers Nation (http://www.lakersnation.com/nba-news-magic-johnson-guggenheim-partners-want-to-buy-the-clippers/2014/04/28/)

Here's the real story, if this ends up happening you can bet your bottom dollar that Magic was behind this whole set up. And for the record I don't support any of the racist comments the guy made. But he was definitely setup by the oh bag and will soon find out who else.


Magics been doing shows all day today saying the nba needs to take the clippers away.

ESPN Radio had some guys who have been covering him for a couple decades on today, it was interesting to hear their perspective. According to them this was not even in the top ten most racist comments they have confirmed he has said, also how it was a bit disheartening that some of their articles have gotten more reads in the last day then in the decade or more when they covered them on issues that affected peoples lives, not who a guy wants his mistress publicly associating with.

kelroy55
04-29-2014, 06:48 AM
People probably have forgotten that Marge Schott was suspended from baseball then forced the sell the Reds after a series of racist comments.

I suspect Sterling will get at least a year suspension and may ultimately be forced to sell.

I remember the whole Marge mess. I agree that both Schott and Sterling are/were racists but I wondered back with Marge how they can be made to sell a business they own because people don't like what they say.

hoya
04-29-2014, 10:44 AM
I don't believe they can. I believe Marge Schott willingly sold her team after a lot of problems and bad publicity. They can't make you sell it, but they can sure make owning it no fun.

adaniel
04-29-2014, 11:00 AM
It is not illegal to be racist scum, and while the NBA could force a sale Sterling would sue them into to stone age--and likely win.

I wouldn't be shocked if Adam Silver and the players union issue a fine, suspension, and strongly worded memorandum advising him to sell but nothing more. At this point, the man is 81 years old, they'd be better of just letting nature take it's course.

Dubya61
04-29-2014, 11:00 AM
NBA News: Magic Johnson, Guggenheim Partners Want To Buy The Clippers | Lakers Nation (http://www.lakersnation.com/nba-news-magic-johnson-guggenheim-partners-want-to-buy-the-clippers/2014/04/28/)

Here's the real story, if this ends up happening you can bet your bottom dollar that Magic was behind this whole set up. And for the record I don't support any of the racist comments the guy made. But he was definitely setup by the oh bag and will soon find out who else.


Magics been doing shows all day today saying the nba needs to take the clippers away.

If Johnson is trying to set up Sterling, he began several years ago (unlikely, IMO).
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Donald Sterling?s Racism and the NBA - TIME (http://time.com/79590/donald-sterling-kareem-abdul-jabbar-racism/)
Sterling is no angel and has a track record of racism

2006: U.S. Dept. of Justice sued Sterling for housing discrimination. Allegedly, he said, “Black tenants smell and attract vermin.”
2009: He reportedly paid $2.73 million in a Justice Dept. suit alleging he discriminated against blacks, Hispanics, and families with children in his rentals. (He also had to pay an additional nearly $5 million in attorneys fees and costs due to his counsel’s “sometimes outrageous conduct.”)
2009: Clippers executive (and one of the greatest NBA players in history) sued for employment discrimination based on age and race.
If Johnson is trying to buy the Clippers, it's just to save a franchise in need of seamless continuation.

Dubya61
04-29-2014, 11:02 AM
I remember the whole Marge mess. I agree that both Schott and Sterling are/were racists but I wondered back with Marge how they can be made to sell a business they own because people don't like what they say.
I don't think they can make him sell the organization. I think they can say, "Know what? I don't think the Clippers will continue playing in the NBA. Find yourself another league."

Pete
04-29-2014, 11:07 AM
NBA press conference on this matter at 1PM Oklahoma time.


The expectation of one rival team, ESPN.com's Marc Stein reports, is that Silver will opt for a lifetime ban and hefty fine well over $1 million for Sterling and also announce that the league will help the Clippers with the sale of the team. He said the league will pursue voting Sterling out if the Clippers do not cooperate.

Midtowner
04-29-2014, 11:15 AM
Obama responds to Clipper's owner Don Sterling's alleged racism - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/27/us/nba-team-owner-alleged-racist-remarks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

I wonder why you chose to bring the President into this and how you think his remarks violated the Constitution?

Garin
04-29-2014, 11:19 AM
I think Kareem Abdul-Jabbar nailed it. He has about the best, most comprehensive, well thought out response of anyone yet.
"So, if we’re all going to be outraged, let’s be outraged that we weren’t more outraged when his racism was first evident. Let’s be outraged that private conversations between people in an intimate relationship are recorded and publicly played. Let’s be outraged that whoever did the betraying will probably get a book deal, a sitcom, trade recipes with Hoda and Kathie Lee, and soon appear on Celebrity Apprentice and Dancing with the Stars.
The big question is “What should be done next?” I hope Sterling loses his franchise. I hope whoever made this illegal tape is sent to prison. I hope the Clippers continue to be unconditionally supported by their fans. I hope the Clippers realize that the ramblings of an 80-year-old man jealous of his young girlfriend don’t define who they are as individual players or as a team. They aren’t playing for Sterling—they’re playing for themselves, for the fans, for showing the world that neither basketball, nor our American ideals, are defined by a few pathetic men or women."

Chadanth
04-29-2014, 11:21 AM
He was taped without knowledge what did he say or do that would cause a civil suit

1. It's criminal to tape in a 2-party state without consent.
2. She says she had consent - V. Stiviano Says Donald Sterling Knew He Was Being Taped | Robert Littal Presents BlackSportsOnline (http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/04/report-sterling-knew-he-was-being-taped-hours-of-recordings-to-leak/)

Jersey Boss
04-29-2014, 12:19 PM
Apparently it would be extremely difficult to take the franchise away from Donald or force him to sell the team. That being said the league can fine him, suspend him, and bar him from the day to day operations. Also because California is a community property state and the team is in the name of both husband and wife, the league is within their authority to transfer controlling interest from Donald to his wife. That is karma.

Bellaboo
04-29-2014, 01:23 PM
Per ESPN -


Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling received a lifetime ban from the NBA and a $2.5 million fine.

NBA commissioner Adam Silver announced the discipline Tuesday, three days after the revelation of an audio recording in which Sterling made racist comments.

Silver confirmed Tuesday that the voice on the recording was Sterling's.

Pete
04-29-2014, 01:38 PM
So, the ban means he can't be at their practice facilities, have any decision making role with the team. And obviously can't attend games in person.

Commissioner Silver also said he full expects to the get the owner votes needed to force the sale of the team.

jerrywall
04-29-2014, 01:57 PM
Isn't a bad essential a death penalty for an owner, at this point?

Is it intended as a temporary block until the owner votes?

Pete
04-29-2014, 02:01 PM
Even if the owners don't force the sale (unlikely) he will still financially own the team but can't at all be involved in the operation.

AP
04-29-2014, 02:10 PM
Good riddance.

Pete
04-29-2014, 02:19 PM
Regardless of your opinion on this recent event, it's pretty common knowledge that Sterling is a contemptible sleazeball.

And you can expect him to fight to the death in courts over the ownership issue. Among his many despicable traits, he's notoriously litigious.

Snowman
04-29-2014, 02:23 PM
So, the ban means he can't be at their practice facilities, have any decision making role with the team. And obviously can't attend games in person.

Commissioner Silver also said he full expects to the get the owner votes needed to force the sale of the team.

If nothing else it gets as close to why many owners own a team, ego, as any sanction could. Most if not all the social benefits of being the owner were already gone.

Teo9969
04-29-2014, 02:28 PM
Regardless of your opinion on this recent event, it's pretty common knowledge that Sterling is a contemptible sleazeball.

And you can expect him to fight to the death in courts over the ownership issue. Among his many despicable traits, he's notoriously litigious.

Here's what worries me:

This is almost surely going to go to court, especially if the team has to be sold (though if he were to contest current actions, they'd most likely be separate cases, I would think).

If for whatever reason the judge/jury rules in favor of Sterling based on contracts/legal authority/blah blah blah, there is going to be a large contingent of the country decrying problems with racism, when any ruling is going to have 100% nothing to do with racism and everything to do with business contracts. This has the chance to be far more reaching than basketball and that scares me more than anything else about this whole situation, because I cannot foresee the country ending up on the other side of such a ruling anything but more divided than it already is.

Pete
04-29-2014, 02:29 PM
Yeah, for owners like Sterling it's all about power,ego and limelight, not the financial returns.

Plus, how is he going to seduce women less than half his age if he can't take them to his courtside seats and big-dog it?

Without that, he's just another shriveled up sugar daddy.

Urbanized
04-29-2014, 02:30 PM
Sell them to Magic and/or the Buss family, rename them Lakers, then have the Buss family sell the sorry squad currently masquerading in Lakers uniforms to Chris Hansen and his investors, move them to Seattle, rebrand them as the Supersonics. BAM. Multiple problems solved for the league. You're welcome.

kelroy55
04-29-2014, 02:52 PM
Regardless of your opinion on this recent event, it's pretty common knowledge that Sterling is a contemptible sleazeball.

And you can expect him to fight to the death in courts over the ownership issue. Among his many despicable traits, he's notoriously litigious.

I agree he's a sleezeball and a racist but I disagree with making someone sell their business because you don't like what they said. Doesn't that violate the 1st Amendment?

Teo9969
04-29-2014, 02:53 PM
Sell them to Magic and/or the Buss family, rename them Lakers, then have the Buss family sell the sorry squad currently masquerading in Lakers uniforms to Chris Hansen and his investors, move them to Seattle, rebrand them as the Supersonics. BAM. Multiple problems solved for the league. You're welcome.

:congrats:

Teo9969
04-29-2014, 02:55 PM
I agree he's a sleezeball and a racist but I disagree with making someone sell their business because you don't like what they said. Doesn't that violate the 1st Amendment?

Not at all. It's a business that is part of a larger governing body. That body has an amount of control over its constituents (the 30 NBA teams). How much, we'll find out when this all goes to court.

But the business (the NBA and its board of governors) has to do what's best for the business…and you just hope that they're making the right decisions that coincide with their legal purview.

Snowman
04-29-2014, 02:55 PM
Sell them to Magic and/or the Buss family, rename them Lakers, then have the Buss family sell the sorry squad currently masquerading in Lakers uniforms to Chris Hansen and his investors, move them to Seattle, rebrand them as the Supersonics. BAM. Multiple problems solved for the league. You're welcome.

Seattle looks nice as a market verses a lot of cities but not LA. Even the second rate team in LA has far better market potential than on in Seattle to either average fans but especially the number of people that can afford luxury suits. Before the Sonics left they were an over stretched market, as they would be again if they came back and really overstretched if Hansen goes through on bringing in a NHL team too. Where as LA is not even close to what an area that size can support and even when Sterling was going super small on team salary they were still getting decent attendance. Get a competent ownership group there that is willing to pay to continuously put a good product on the floor, verses Sterling just doing the minimum for years and lucking into a pick that drew other talent to the team, and fair chance that soon they could build this team to be one of the leagues most profitable teams on a consistent basis.

Roger S
04-29-2014, 03:25 PM
I agree he's a sleezeball and a racist but I disagree with making someone sell their business because you don't like what they said. Doesn't that violate the 1st Amendment?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I don't think Congress is the governing body removing him from the business.

Freedom of speech doesn't give you freedom from the repercussions for saying the wrong thing. I am free to use a racial slur towards you on these forums but Pete or Martin would also have every right to ban me from these forums for doing it.

Urbanized
04-29-2014, 03:26 PM
Seattle looks nice as a market verses a lot of cities but not LA. Even the second rate team in LA has far better market potential than on in Seattle to either average fans but especially the number of people that can afford luxury suits. Before the Sonics left they were an over stretched market, as they would be again if they came back and really overstretched if Hansen goes through on bringing in a NHL team too. Where as LA is not even close to what an area that size can support and even when Sterling was going super small on team salary they were still getting decent attendance. Get a competent ownership group there that is willing to pay to continuously put a good product on the floor, verses Sterling just doing the minimum for years and lucking into a pick that drew other talent to the team, and fair chance that soon they could build this team to be one of the leagues most profitable teams on a consistent basis.

You're trying to talk business. I'm trying to solve the league's three worst PR problems; Clippers ownership, no team in Seattle, and a Lakers squad that can't make the playoffs.

dankrutka
04-29-2014, 04:43 PM
Yeah, for owners like Sterling it's all about power,ego and limelight, not the financial returns.

Here's an excellent article by Malcolm Gladwell on why people own NBA teams (Hint: It's not for profits): ?Psychic Benefits? and the NBA Lockout « (http://grantland.com/features/psychic-benefits-nba-lockout/)

dankrutka
04-29-2014, 04:46 PM
I agree he's a sleezeball and a racist but I disagree with making someone sell their business because you don't like what they said. Doesn't that violate the 1st Amendment?

This has nothing to do with the Constitution. The 1st amendment protects against the federal government (and to a lesser degree against state governments because of post-Civil War selective incorporation). The government is not involved in this issue.

Urbanized
04-29-2014, 04:48 PM
Props for a Malcolm Gladwell reference.

Urbanized
04-29-2014, 04:50 PM
I agree he's a sleezeball and a racist but I disagree with making someone sell their business because you don't like what they said. Doesn't that violate the 1st Amendment?

It's not like a business you built yourself. It's a club that you are voted into, and in accepting a membership you agree to abide by its bylaws. Violate the rules, they vote you out of the club.

Laramie
04-29-2014, 05:20 PM
Rather ironic that the man who told his girlfriend not to bring her black friends to the Clippers' games now finds himself in a position that he will not be able to attend any Clippers' games.


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Urbanized
04-29-2014, 05:29 PM
And the team will probably be owned by one of her black friends.

Snowman
04-29-2014, 05:54 PM
And the team will probably be owned by one of her black friends.

Magic already denied the rumors he was involved in trying to buy the team, though I could see a group of black wealthy individual buying the team out of spite, though I could also see no black wealthy individual wanting to give Sterling any money.

Pete
04-29-2014, 05:59 PM
That's the irony...

Anyone who buys the team is going to put hundreds of millions in Sterling's pocket.

He only paid $12.7 million back in the early 80's and now it's estimated the team is worth north of $400 million.

Snowman
04-29-2014, 06:14 PM
That's the irony...

Anyone who buys the team is going to put hundreds of millions in Sterling's pocket.

He only paid $12.7 million back in the early 80's and now it's estimated the team is worth north of $400 million.

Well half of it in his pocket anyway, it is a bit surprising they are not divorced already

zookeeper
04-29-2014, 07:43 PM
Here we are still talking about what one 78 year old man said in a private conversation. Forget any good that was obviously good enough for him to soon be awarded with the (now taken away) Lifetime Achievement Award from the NAACP. Forget all that. No matter the rest of his past which the NAACP had to have known about.

What about these race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? What about Jay-Z (who is a racist to the extreme) and once owned part of the Brooklyn Nets? What do they say in private? Jay-Z was in Europe holding "No White's Allowed" VIP parties after a major film festival. And defended it! The hypocrisy of this whole thing - and we're here still talking about it! This is still news? Think about it: We've been obsessed, as a culture, for days on what ONE white 78 year old man said in the privacy of his home. Let's mic up the homes of today's brightest black stars, players, etc. God forbid what we would here. The hypocrisy is the biggest story of this whole charade.

Edit - One of the biggest WTF's of this whole thing are the black NBA players acting so shocked. Many of those same guys do more harm to the NBA in public, (imagine if their private lives were reported), than Sterling could do in 30 lifetimes. What Sterling said was wrong. But many of these thugs acting shocked should be just as reprehensible to the NBA. Oh. But they ARE the NBA! The whole thing is just disgusting - the height of hypocrisy!

Garin
04-29-2014, 07:50 PM
Damn I'm starting to like you ^^^^

Pete
04-29-2014, 08:10 PM
The race hustlers and rappers get criticized too, it's just nobody cares much about what they say or think. Talk to people in the black community about Jesse and Al and they are likely to have the same opinion as most white Americans.

Plus, as a white male it's almost impossible to be offended by racial comments or actions. There is no history of oppression and people of color don't often hold enough power to exclude whites from anything that really matters. I live in an area where whites are very much the minority yet I have never experienced anything that felt like discrimination or even negativity towards me because of my race. In fact, I can't think of it ever happening to me anywhere in my 53 years.

The biggest injustice to whites was reverse discrimination among colleges, and those policies and quotas were pretty much dropped after the first challenge.


White people in America and really the entire world are doing just fine and being excluded from a couple of parties isn't going to change that.

zookeeper
04-29-2014, 08:14 PM
The race hustlers and rappers get criticized too, it's just nobody cares much about what they say or think. Talk to people in the black community about Jesse and Al and they are likely to have the same opinion as most white Americans.

Plus, as a white male it's almost impossible to be offended by racial comments or actions. There is no history of oppression and people of color don't often hold enough power to exclude whites from anything that really matters. I live in an area where whites are very much the minority yet I have never experienced anything that felt like discrimination or even negativity towards me because of my race. In fact, I can't think of it ever happening to me anywhere in my 53 years.

The biggest injustice to whites was reverse discrimination among colleges, and those policies and quotas were pretty much dropped after the first challenge.


White people in America and really the entire world are doing just fine and being excluded from a couple of parties isn't going to change that.

Pete, You're a very sharp guy, but talk about missing the point. It wasn't the parties, it was what they represented, which is acceptance of discrimination based on race.

Pete
04-29-2014, 08:16 PM
But when you hold no real power or influence, discrimination is meaningless.

BrettM2
04-29-2014, 08:38 PM
How about zookeeper and Garin stop trying to change the subject and deal with Donald Sterling. No one is excusing racism in any other venue. But we are dealing with Sterling and his reprehensible behavior. Continuing to change the topic is only showing that you either a) secretly support Sterling and his viewpoints and want to detract from his attention or b) you just don't understand that something else being wrong doesn't make this any less wrong.

Garin
04-29-2014, 08:56 PM
It bothers me that anyone that is caught saying anything wrong thing in the heat of the moment or privacy of their own home can be ruined.....Anyone, look what they did to the Mozilla guy, it's nothing more than a which hunt.

zookeeper
04-29-2014, 09:03 PM
How about zookeeper and Garin stop trying to change the subject and deal with Donald Sterling. No one is excusing racism in any other venue. But we are dealing with Sterling and his reprehensible behavior. Continuing to change the topic is only showing that you either a) secretly support Sterling and his viewpoints and want to detract from his attention or b) you just don't understand that something else being wrong doesn't make this any less wrong.

No, it's compare and contrast. When something like this explodes like it has in our culture, it is natural to compare and contrast one person's actions that are lambasted against those doing the lambasting. In this case, it shows the biggest story, at least to me, is the hypocrisy of it all. The selective outrage. I also guess there are a lot of people that agree who - because of the Altar of Political Correctness - aren't willing to go on record. But, trust me, I'm not the only one thinking like this. I can't speak for Garin, (we hardly ever agree on anything), but I can assure you that I do not support Sterling and what he said. I just think it's wrong to be selective in our outrage. NBA players acting so outraged is laughable. They are hardly giant figures of virtue.

It's not changing the subject when you ask why Jay-Z can, while owning the Brooklyn Nets, not be held to the same standard as we are now holding Donald Sterling? Jay-Z and his whole "Five percenters" racism, his "white's not allowed" parties, where was the outrage? Hang Sterling for his private thoughts at home, while Jay-Z can publicly be a racist and even be respected as an agent to --- hang on ---- Kevin Durant!? It is the same topic - simply compare and contrast and see the hypocrisy.

Pete
04-29-2014, 09:10 PM
This isn't just anyone... This is a reprehensible human being who has summoned a lifetime of bad Karma to come take a big bite out of his arse.

If he wasn't so universally reviled, he could have weathered this situation with an apology and fine. Maybe just an apology.

Sterling is only new to most because they aren't from L.A. but believe me, particularly if this devolves into a big legal battle, much more will come out about him.

Chadanth
04-29-2014, 09:12 PM
It bothers me that anyone that is caught saying anything wrong thing in the heat of the moment or privacy of their own home can be ruined.....Anyone, look what they did to the Mozilla guy, it's nothing more than a which hunt.

You're free to say and do what you want, but the market can punish you for being an ass. Do you want legal protection for that sort of racist behavior?

Garin
04-29-2014, 09:13 PM
This isn't just anyone... This is a reprehensible human being that has summoned a lifetime of bad Karma to come take a big bite out of his arse.

If he wasn't so universally reviled, he could have weathered this situation with an apology and fine.

Sterling is only new to most because they aren't from L.A. but believe me, if this devolves into a big legal battle, much more will come out about him.

Was the NCAAP just looking the other way ,or did they know his history?