You know, maybe just Wal-Mart is kicking everyone's collective ass here, realizing the growth of this city, and striking while the iron is hot. Meanwhile, all these other outlets are sitting on the sidelines staring at spreadsheets trying to decide if they can make it work. Wal-Mart is and they're printing money.

Yep, and the few times I've been in a Walmart they are crazy busy.

Yep, and the few times I've been in a Walmart they are crazy busy.

And I'll give them a little credit too like you've done with Sam's recently. Their app is pretty cool, and with more locations doing grocery pick up, they're only getting better. They have a thing on their app where you scan you QR code on your receipt and if someone else advertises lower prices on an item you bought they'll add that difference to your account and over time you can build that up and cash them in for gift cards. Would take a while to do but still neat.

I'm not a huge fan of Walmart, but a new HQ in OKC would be welcomed from me in the form of a tower or a campus. They started in Shawnee, right? ;)

You know, maybe just Wal-Mart is kicking everyone's collective ass here, realizing the growth of this city, and striking while the iron is hot. Meanwhile, all these other outlets are sitting on the sidelines staring at spreadsheets trying to decide if they can make it work. Wal-Mart is and they're printing money.
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And I'll give them a little credit too like you've done with Sam's recently. Their app is pretty cool, and with more locations doing grocery pick up, they're only getting better. They have a thing on their app where you scan you QR code on your receipt and if someone else advertises lower prices on an item you bought they'll add that difference to your account and over time you can build that up and cash them in for gift cards. Would take a while to do but still neat.

I admit I HATE WalMart, but I do take advantage of the app and QR scanner. We've received about $50 back since we started using last December. Not bad.

I admit I HATE WalMart, but I do take advantage of the app and QR scanner. We've received about $50 back since we started using last December. Not bad.

Wow that's not bad at all.

I use the app and have about $40 on the app now, haven't cashed it in. I'm thinking I may combine that with the various cash back programs with my credit cards and buy a new TV, I probably have enough rewards money between my credit cards and WalMart Saving Catcher to make a significant dent in a really nice TV.

I pretty much exlusively do all my grocery shopping at WalMart and Costco now. Really they have all we need. I can't get behind paying more at Target for the same things I need.

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

Site plan

http://www.bde-kbi.com/sites/default/files/Deercrest_Retail_Siteplan.jpg

Any more word on when this will be starting? I've started to notice more survey flags for outparcels and utility markings.

Any permits been issued yet?

I couldn't find any permits for this project.

And I'll give them a little credit too like you've done with Sam's recently. Their app is pretty cool, and with more locations doing grocery pick up, they're only getting better.

That Sam's app is killer. No more waiting in lines at all. Scan as you go, checkout in the app, doorman scans your app bar code, counts the items, and then your on your way. Love it.

Any updates? I figured we'd see graders and earthmovers trolling around by this time. Any permitting info yet? Anything...? Bueller,... Bueller?

I don't think they've even filed for building permits yet.

And once that happens, you are still months out from work starting.

Haven't found any permits for this yet but I do see now where Walmart has closed on the property so I'd expect things to get started in the near future.

Where did you find that info? That's great news for my neck of the woods.

They closed on the 18.4 acres for just over $4 million in April.

Still have not applied for a building permit.

Any update on this impactful project?

Any update on this impactful project?

Nothing??!! Has anyone heard any updated info on this site or the possible new format 7-11 coming to the SE corner of Rockwell & Memorial? It’s been almost a full year since any news has circulated regarding this development. The website still has WalMart listed as the anchor.

Nothing??!! Has anyone heard any updated info on this site or the possible new format 7-11 coming to the SE corner of Rockwell & Memorial? It’s been almost a full year since any news has circulated regarding this development. The website still has WalMart listed as the anchor.

No building permits whatsoever for Deer Crest or that 7-11 property.

Remember, 7-11 owns all types of property and it's not unusual for them to sit on something for many years.

any updates for Deer Crest development?

Nope.

No permits of any kind out there.

Strange, because Walmart obtained all the necessary approvals, had construction plans drawn, etc.

I talked to the developers and they didn't seem to have any anchor tenants lined up yet.

Do you still have contact with the developer on this?

Do you still have contact with the developer on this?

I haven't talked to them for a while because absolutely nothing is happening here.

Remember that developers and commercial real estate people are primarily salesmen and what they tell you and what is actually happening are usually not the same thing. It's why I keep such a sharp eye on the various permits and public documents. Many times I've been told something 'will be starting any day' then I look and see there are no permits filed or they have been filed and there has been no movement. Actions are much more reliable than words when it comes to development.

The traffic at this intersection in the morning and afternoon is crazy - especially morning. Cars exiting off the turnpike traveling west try to merge to the right and many cars on memorial try to get left to go to Farmers. It's a madhouse.

The traffic at this intersection in the morning and afternoon is crazy - especially morning. Cars exiting off the turnpike traveling west try to merge to the right and many cars on memorial try to get left to go to Farmers. It's a madhouse.
Paycom traffic has mad this intersection a nightmare, most of them are young inexperienced drivers who cut each other off and generally don’t pay attention.

The traffic at this intersection in the morning and afternoon is crazy - especially morning. Cars exiting off the turnpike traveling west try to merge to the right and many cars on memorial try to get left to go to Farmers. It's a madhouse.

I highly recommend emailing Councilman Stonecipher, ward8@okc.gov to help with this intersection. I did this and did get a response. There needs to be right-turn lanes and improved signal timing.

I highly recommend emailing Councilman Stonecipher, ward8@okc.gov to help with this intersection. I did this and did get a response. There needs to be right-turn lanes and improved signal timing.

This may be the first instance where I have seen traffic police trying to direct traffic NOT in an intersection! They were directing the merging traffic off of the turnpike getting onto memorial and merging to the right the other day!

I highly recommend emailing Councilman Stonecipher, ward8@okc.gov to help with this intersection. I did this and did get a response. There needs to be right-turn lanes and improved signal timing.

There are right turn lanes here. Going west on Mem or getting off Turnpike approaching Rockwell:

1. Left only turn lane (turn south onto Rockwell)
2. Straight or left lane (turn south onto Rockwell or go straight west onMem)
3. Straight only lane (to go west on Mem)
4. Right turn lane only (to go north on Rockwell)

The problem is the Turnpike exit ramps are too close to Rockwell. So like someone said its a madhouse of merging cars in a very compacted area.

There are right turn lanes here. Going west on Mem or getting off Turnpike approaching Rockwell:

1. Left only turn lane (turn south onto Rockwell)
2. Straight or left lane (turn south onto Rockwell or go straight west onMem)
3. Straight only lane (to go west on Mem)
4. Right turn lane only (to go north on Rockwell)

The problem is the Turnpike exit ramps are too close to Rockwell. So like someone said its a madhouse of merging cars in a very compacted area.

I was referring to adding them on N/S Rockwell. But you are right about the exits are too close to Rockwell.

The lights need to be timed to be able to Left off Memorial and not have to stop at the light on S. Rockwell.

The morning Left onto W. Memorial needs to be timed as it gridlocks the N. bound Rockwell traffic at the S. Memorial light (near 7-11).

the traffic yesterday would be that there are lane closures as they are in the process of repainting the lines on the bridge

Paycom traffic has mad this intersection a nightmare, most of them are young inexperienced drivers who cut each other off and generally don’t pay attention.

that is some gross exaggeration there... i drive this section of road every weekday... and most of the drivers are not a problem.. it's a congestion issue

Right now its maxed out road/traffic wise. If they build this Walmart/business complex it will be a total cluster as is.

The city needs get off duffs and look at this area including Paycom traffic related problems. And work with Turnpike folks to find solutions. Figure out how to work together to make this area work. This quadrant is the fastest growing area of OKC. Yet if Walmart builds it will deadlock traffic. Bigger worry is Paycom getting fed up and some other state enticing them to move HQ. Both of the northern corners on Rockwell/Mem are empty massive land/lots (west and east northern corners of Mem/Rock). Prime land. Yet our roads are not ready for it. Maybe Walmart is waiting for road improvements?

Right now its maxed out road/traffic wise. If they build this Walmart/business complex it will be a total cluster as is.

The city needs get off duffs and look at this area including Paycom traffic related problems. And work with Turnpike folks to find solutions. Figure out how to work together to make this area work. This quadrant is the fastest growing area of OKC. Yet if Walmart builds it will deadlock traffic. Bigger worry is Paycom getting fed up and some other state enticing them to move HQ. Both of the northern corners on Rockwell/Mem are empty massive land/lots (west and east northern corners of Mem/Rock). Prime land. Yet our roads are not ready for it. Maybe Walmart is waiting for road improvements?

while i agree with all of your points of what must be done... Paycom isn't moving their HQ anytime in even the mid future... they are dedicated to OKC as long as the current CEO is in charge

while i agree with all of your points of what must be done... Paycom isn't moving their HQ anytime in even the mid future... they are dedicated to OKC as long as the current CEO is in charge

I agree nothing would happen soon. But as employees complain having to sit 10-15 minutes just to get oit of parking lot eventually they leave. When Paycom struggles to get quality employees because of traffic deadlock thats when things change. I know many who left and cited traffic as not the only reason but one of the reasons. We can’t wait til its too late. Its a big joke to every Paycom worker, the traffic headache. Build Walmart and it gets worse for Paycom workers too.

They are a great company to have and we need to think ahead to preserve it. OKC has spent zero dollars on surrounding roads other than a light north of Rockwell/Mem and 4 lanking a 1/4 mile section to the apartments. Walmart would cause lots of issues because its also a business park planned which would add more rush hour traffic.

Paycom could move to another area of OKC that has better traffic dispersal options or (gasp!) public transit available.

Paycom could move to another area of OKC that has better traffic dispersal options or (gasp!) public transit available.

public transit... what is that?

Paycom could move to another area of OKC that has better traffic dispersal options or (gasp!) public transit available.

They have spent a metric crap ton of money out there on that campus. To move from it would be an asinine waste of money. OKC needs to help make that area better, since there are 2 big companies with large investments in place.

Maybe that's why Walmart has not built yet. Talking to whoever to get this traffic mess cleaned up, adding ramps and such?

A new exit for paycom is going to exit just north of the shores apartments on to Rockwell

Back to Deer Crest, I just looked and Walmart did buy the parcel for their proposed store.

18 acres for just over $4 million in April of 2017.

BD Eddie still owns all the other land, including the parcels fronting Memorial and Rockwell.

that is some gross exaggeration there... i drive this section of road every weekday... and most of the drivers are not a problem.. it's a congestion issue

I work at Farmers and my wife works at Paycom, I stand by my statement.

Back to Deer Crest, I just looked and Walmart did buy the parcel for their proposed store.

18 acres for just over $4 million in April of 2017.

BD Eddie still owns all the other land, including the parcels fronting Memorial and Rockwell.

The land on opposite side (west side between Rockwell and Paycom), any idea of plans?

I recall back in 2007/8 a sign was up for a Warren theater to be built and when economy tanked it was shelved.

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Warren was once proposed to the east of Walmart in this same development.

They also looked at the southwest corner of Memorial and MacArthur.

The traffic at this intersection in the morning and afternoon is crazy - especially morning. Cars exiting off the turnpike traveling west try to merge to the right and many cars on memorial try to get left to go to Farmers. It's a madhouse.

I emailed the city regarding the lights at this intersection and they stated that they are running on timers and not sensors due to OGE hitting the conduit lines when putting in a power line pole last summer. They are waiting on reimbursement and repair.

I would assume this is why this intersection is backing up so badly. It isn’t timed for rush hour and can’t determine when it’s backed up and needs to run the cycles longer

Also, seems like a long time to sort this out for repair and reimbursement. It’s been 6 months since summer.

I emailed the city regarding the lights at this intersection and they stated that they are running on timers and not sensors due to OGE hitting the conduit lines when putting in a power line pole last summer. They are waiting on reimbursement and repair.

I would assume this is why this intersection is backing up so badly. It isn’t timed for rush hour and can’t determine when it’s backed up and needs to run the cycles longer

Also, seems like a long time to sort this out for repair and reimbursement. It’s been 6 months since summer.

The city should just fix it and deal with OG&E behind the scenes afterwards, it's just completely stupid to screw everybody driving through that intersection for this long while they squabble.

The city should just fix it and deal with OG&E behind the scenes afterwards, it's just completely stupid to screw everybody driving through that intersection for this long while they squabble.

Asked the city this same thing. The incident occurred in June.
Yet we are dealing with it with nothing changed on it 9 months later

Maybe we need to put more pressure on the city to get this resolved especially before the new. Paycom road opens north on rockwell

The land on opposite side (west side between Rockwell and Paycom), any idea of plans?

I recall back in 2007/8 a sign was up for a Warren theater to be built and when economy tanked it was shelved.

Based on this planning meeting item that was approved in November, they are going to develop it into mixed use with 23 office and commercial lots available. I've noticed some utility work going on in this area, but not sure who the utility contractor is. Could be nothing or it could be the start of something developing out there.

https://agenda.okc.gov/sirepub/cache/2/znxqpm55tpesgv55xwrzawzm/422910303122019100859327.PDF

Back to Deer Crest, I just looked and Walmart did buy the parcel for their proposed store.

18 acres for just over $4 million in April of 2017.

BD Eddie still owns all the other land, including the parcels fronting Memorial and Rockwell.

I noticed today there were surveyors our and it appears all the lots and roads are marked so it appears they might be about to move forward with this deer crest development

I noticed today there were surveyors our and it appears all the lots and roads are marked so it appears they might be about to move forward with this deer crest development

More earth moving equipment arrived today they are definitely starting on. The roads for this development now.

Appears this must finally be moving forward.

More earth moving equipment arrived today they are definitely starting on. The roads for this development now.

Appears this must finally be moving forward.

This is going to creat another huge traffic nightmare just like back east around Western and May and Penn corridor. And like Costco there is an entrance/exit to Memorial road which is going to be stacked with traffic stopped at Rockwell light. Its not just a Wal Mart its a whole commercial complex. Memorial needs to be 3-4 lanes for those areas not just at the light.

If there is a bright side, a second Walmart will spread traffic out a little.

There is a good amount of dirt work being done at this site right now, not sure what they are doing.

There is a good amount of dirt work being done at this site right now, not sure what they are doing.

Putting in the roads for the development.

Speaking of which. Why did the city allow them a street right at the Kilpatrick tollbooth exit. Cars will immediately go thru toll and then try to cut a sharp right turn to get into the development just like at penn and memorial. It’s like we never learn from our mistakes

From today.

Roads are going in. Walmart bought the large parcel more or less of the middle of this development (just to the left of the new n/s street) but has not applied for building permits.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/deercrest052619a.jpg

Thanks Pete. Nice shot. Any speculation on whether they will go ahead and not only build out those individual retail sites but actually get tenants in them before WalMart does their thing?

Interesting that in the original concept they were envisioning higher-end retailers like a Nordstroms or Barney's, etc due to some study by BD Eddie showing the higher-end income Deer Creek/Gallairdia demographic would support that, and then it ends up becoming a WalMart. Maybe the whole retail brick & mortar model being turned upside down by the digital economy altered that thinking. Could even be why WM is taking it's time to determine how to best leverage what they'll do there - they apparently are creating entirely new concepts for floorplans in some markets vs. copying the "all stores the same' model. Will be interesting to see how this goes.

Thanks Pete. Nice shot. Any speculation on whether they will go ahead and not only build out those individual retail sites but actually get tenants in them before WalMart does their thing?

I don't think so.

I'm sure Walmart will build but they are obviously in no hurry.

I'm not a retail expert, but it seems that the area around Nichols Hills Plaza/Classen Curve, 63rd & Grand, down through Penn Square and the new development at NWE/Penn presents the singular true example of Oklahoma City finally organizing itself in such a way as to support that level of high end retail. If we ever get a Nordstrom (I could see it happening) or a Barney's (LOL) it will be in that area and that's probably appropriate. Almost no towns of OKC's size have more than one truly upscale shopping area.

Having said that, I do think it's underwhelming that this will become a Wal-Mart. I thought with Val Verde/Mercy Hospital area/upscale offices along Memorial/Gallardia, this area looked to have the potential to be a nice higher-end area. I predict $200K starter tract homes will eventually ring this development and it will leave Gaillardia an island, much in the same way that the rest of OKC has developed. I fully realize there's a limit to high-end and an infinite supply of Wal-Marters but it just seems that OKC always organizes this way.

I'm not a retail expert, but it seems that the area around Nichols Hills Plaza/Classen Curve, 63rd & Grand, down through Penn Square and the new development at NWE/Penn presents the singular true example of Oklahoma City finally organizing itself in such a way as to support that level of high end retail. If we ever get a Nordstrom (I could see it happening) or a Barney's (LOL) it will be in that area and that's probably appropriate. Almost no towns of OKC's size have more than one truly upscale shopping area.

Having said that, I do think it's underwhelming that this will become a Wal-Mart. I thought with Val Verde/Mercy Hospital area/upscale offices along Memorial/Gallardia, this area looked to have the potential to be a nice higher-end area. I predict $200K starter tract homes will eventually ring this development and it will leave Gaillardia an island, much in the same way that the rest of OKC has developed. I fully realize there's a limit to high-end and an infinite supply of Wal-Marters but it just seems that OKC always organizes this way.

It's not OKC, per se, organizing a certain way. OKC tends to be very pro-market forces, probably to the city's detriment in plenty of cases. In this case, those who invested in Gaillardia did so believing the market would support a higher end living experience in the area Gaillardia was built. They achieved some degree of that and to be sure there are several other higher end neighborhoods in the general area that have helped create a more sustainable live/work/play area of OKC (as compared to the Bethanies, Blue Stems, etc.) But if they thought that they would attract places like Nordstrom's, they neither paid enough attention to the way OKC suburbs developed from the 60s through the 90s, nor realized that oil wealth is great for those who get in, but for those who don't the $200k+ family income gigs that could support more $400k+ homes are just not as common. They also didn't pay attention to other big time cities ramping up the gentrification process in the late 80s early 90s that would eventually make its way here and steal back some of the money that was traditionally going to the suburbs.