Dennis Heaton
04-02-2014, 12:20 PM
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View Full Version : General Weather Discussion - April 2014 Dennis Heaton 04-02-2014, 12:20 PM How often is the FB page updated? SoonerDave 04-02-2014, 12:21 PM Ugh...they must have changed it. Rats. Cannot get new chat to work :( venture 04-02-2014, 12:24 PM How often is the FB page updated? Once things get cranking I'll post more updates to it. I try not to spam out too much that isn't needed. :) venture 04-02-2014, 12:24 PM Rats. Cannot get new chat to work :( Is it giving you any specific error? I'm not sure if they changed anything in the code since we last used it during the winter storms. PennyQuilts 04-02-2014, 12:34 PM Just signed into the chat room and it asked for my name and email (the way it normally does the first time during an event) but posted my comment right away. LocoAko 04-02-2014, 12:43 PM 15Z HRRR run for 6PM this evening... http://climate.cod.edu/data/forecast/HRRR/15/SGP/hrrrSGP_sfc_radar_008.gif Not streak of 2-5km Updraft Helicity E of OKC the following hour. Models seem to be struggling with the moisture ahead of the dryline and doing even worse with the dryness behind it. http://climate.cod.edu/data/forecast/HRRR/15/SGP/hrrrSGP_con_uphly_009.gif SoonerDave 04-02-2014, 12:45 PM Is it giving you any specific error? I'm not sure if they changed anything in the code since we last used it during the winter storms. No, just shows the login window, and I put in a name and email....then after a time of contemplating its navel, it goes back to the chat window, but none of the messages ever appear. When I go to veirfy my screen name in the options window, it just spins forever. Dennis Heaton 04-02-2014, 12:49 PM Just checked out the Chat site. Kinda reminded me of the ole IRC and mIRC days. SoonerDave 04-02-2014, 12:50 PM No, just shows the login window, and I put in a name and email....then after a time of contemplating its navel, it goes back to the chat window, but none of the messages ever appear. When I go to veirfy my screen name in the options window, it just spins forever. Venture, suspect its a firewall issue on my side. I can see other chats, just can't participate. venture 04-02-2014, 12:56 PM Venture, suspect its a firewall issue on my side. I can see other chats, just can't participate. Alright...I won't try to start screwing with things then. LOL venture 04-02-2014, 02:21 PM Tornado Watch will be issued this afternoon. http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/2014/mcd0248.gif MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0248 NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0219 PM CDT WED APR 02 2014 AREAS AFFECTED...NORTHERN/WESTERN OK AND SOUTHEAST KS/FAR SOUTHWEST MO CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...TORNADO WATCH LIKELY VALID 021919Z - 022115Z PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...80 PERCENT SUMMARY...MONITORING DEVELOPMENTAL TRENDS FOR AN ANTICIPATED DEVELOPMENT/INCREASE IN SEVERE TSTMS THROUGH LATE AFTERNOON...INCLUDING PARTS OF NORTHERN/WESTERN OK AND SOUTHEAST KS. MORE CERTAIN/IMMINENT SIGNS OF SURFACE-BASED DEEP CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT WILL PROMPT A WATCH ISSUANCE /LIKELY BEFORE 21Z/ FOR RISKS FOR LARGE HAIL AND A COUPLE OF TORNADOES. DISCUSSION...AS OF 19Z...A FRONTAL BOUNDARY DRAPES ROUGHLY W/SW TO E/NE ACROSS NORTHERN OK...WITH PART OF THIS BOUNDARY SHIFTING NORTHWARD AS A WARM FRONT ACROSS FAR NORTHEAST OK/SOUTHEAST KS. AN ADJACENT DRY LINE EXTENDS SOUTH/SOUTHWESTWARD ACROSS FAR WESTERN OK. OVER THE PAST HOUR OR SO...A CU FIELD HAS SHOWN SIGNS OF DEEPENING NEAR THE FRONT...PARTICULARLY ACROSS FAR NORTH-CENTRAL/NORTHEAST OK AND FAR SOUTHEAST KS. ESPECIALLY WHERE SURFACE TEMPERATURES HAVE ALREADY REACHED THE LOWER 80S F...CONVECTIVE INHIBITION IN THE BOUNDARY LAYER CONTINUES TO STEADILY ABATE...WITH MLCAPE ESTIMATED TO BE ON THE ORDER OF 2000-3500 J/KG IN THE PRESENCE OF LOWER 60S F SURFACE DEWPOINTS. THE SCENARIO OF WEAKENING INHIBITION IS WELL SUPPORTED BY MODIFICATIONS TO A RECENT 18Z LAMONT OK OBSERVED SOUNDING. WHILE LARGE-SCALE INFLUENCES ARE SUBTLE...ADDITIONAL HEATING/SUFFICIENT MASS CONVERGENCE SHOULD LEAD TO AT LEAST ISOLATED/WIDELY SCATTERED SURFACE-BASED TSTMS BY LATE AFTERNOON/EARLY EVENING. AIDED BY 40-55 KT SOUTHWESTERLY MID-LEVEL WINDS AND AFOREMENTIONED AMPLE INSTABILITY...VEERING/STRENGTHENING WIND PROFILES WITH HEIGHT WILL SUPPORT SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF LARGE HAIL. A TORNADO RISK WILL EXIST AS WELL...PARTICULARLY ACROSS NORTHERN OK/EXTREME SOUTHERN KS IN VICINITY OF A SURFACE TRIPLE POINT/WEAK FRONTAL WAVE. THIS WILL ESPECIALLY BE THE CASE TOWARD EARLY EVENING GIVEN AN EXPECTED STRENGTHENING/BACKING OF 1-2 KM AGL WINDS. ..GUYER/HART.. 04/02/2014 venture 04-02-2014, 02:36 PM Per NWS Norman Just got the dreaded NIMNAT message, announcing a conference call with SPC to discuss tornado watch. #okwx venture 04-02-2014, 02:39 PM The first tornado watch will not include the metro area. Anonymous. 04-02-2014, 02:40 PM Probably won't see a tornado watch for the dryline action unless a CU field gets established. Which right now, is not happening. venture 04-02-2014, 02:42 PM Okay well...it does include Kingfisher County which I think is still technically the Metro area. :) venture 04-02-2014, 02:46 PM Probably won't see a tornado watch for the dryline action unless a CU field gets established. Which right now, is not happening. Today always felt as a two watch box day. One for the warm front and another for the dryline - if needed. venture 04-02-2014, 02:47 PM http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0046_radar.gif URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 46 NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 245 PM CDT WED APR 2 2014 THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A * TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF SOUTHEAST KANSAS EXTREME SOUTHWEST MISSOURI NORTHERN OKLAHOMA * EFFECTIVE THIS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 245 PM UNTIL 1000 PM CDT. * PRIMARY THREATS INCLUDE... SEVERAL TORNADOES POSSIBLE NUMEROUS LARGE HAIL EVENTS LIKELY WITH A FEW VERY LARGE HAIL EVENTS TO 3 INCHES IN DIAMETER POSSIBLE SEVERAL DAMAGING WIND GUSTS TO 70 MPH POSSIBLE THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 50 STATUTE MILES NORTH AND SOUTH OF A LINE FROM 40 MILES NORTH OF JOPLIN MISSOURI TO 45 MILES SOUTH SOUTHWEST OF ALVA OKLAHOMA. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU6). PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS. && DISCUSSION...THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO FORM ALONG A WEAK SURFACE BOUNDARY EXTENDING ACROSS NORTHERN OK INTO SOUTHEAST KS. STRONG INSTABILITY COUPLED WITH FAVORABLE SHEAR WILL PROMOTE SUPERCELL STORMS CAPABLE OF VERY LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS. STRENGTHENING WIND FIELDS THIS EVENING MAY ALSO PROMOTE THE POTENTIAL FOR ISOLATED TORNADOES. AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 3 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE WIND GUSTS TO 60 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO 500. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 26030. Tornadoes Probability of 2 or more tornadoes Mod (50%) Probability of 1 or more strong (F2-F5) tornadoes Low (20%) Wind Probability of 10 or more severe wind events Mod (40%) Probability of 1 or more wind events > 65 knots Low (10%) Hail Probability of 10 or more severe hail events High (80%) Probability of 1 or more hailstones > 2 inches Mod (30%) Combined Severe Hail/Wind Probability of 6 or more combined severe hail/wind events High (80%) coov23 04-02-2014, 03:05 PM http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0046_radar.gif URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 46 NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 245 PM CDT WED APR 2 2014 THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A * TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF SOUTHEAST KANSAS EXTREME SOUTHWEST MISSOURI NORTHERN OKLAHOMA * EFFECTIVE THIS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 245 PM UNTIL 1000 PM CDT. * PRIMARY THREATS INCLUDE... SEVERAL TORNADOES POSSIBLE NUMEROUS LARGE HAIL EVENTS LIKELY WITH A FEW VERY LARGE HAIL EVENTS TO 3 INCHES IN DIAMETER POSSIBLE SEVERAL DAMAGING WIND GUSTS TO 70 MPH POSSIBLE THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 50 STATUTE MILES NORTH AND SOUTH OF A LINE FROM 40 MILES NORTH OF JOPLIN MISSOURI TO 45 MILES SOUTH SOUTHWEST OF ALVA OKLAHOMA. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU6). PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS. && DISCUSSION...THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO FORM ALONG A WEAK SURFACE BOUNDARY EXTENDING ACROSS NORTHERN OK INTO SOUTHEAST KS. STRONG INSTABILITY COUPLED WITH FAVORABLE SHEAR WILL PROMOTE SUPERCELL STORMS CAPABLE OF VERY LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS. STRENGTHENING WIND FIELDS THIS EVENING MAY ALSO PROMOTE THE POTENTIAL FOR ISOLATED TORNADOES. AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 3 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE WIND GUSTS TO 60 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO 500. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 26030. Tornadoes Probability of 2 or more tornadoes Mod (50%) Probability of 1 or more strong (F2-F5) tornadoes Low (20%) Wind Probability of 10 or more severe wind events Mod (40%) Probability of 1 or more wind events > 65 knots Low (10%) Hail Probability of 10 or more severe hail events High (80%) Probability of 1 or more hailstones > 2 inches Mod (30%) Combined Severe Hail/Wind Probability of 6 or more combined severe hail/wind events High (80%) So, I'm guessing the odds of okc seeing any storms has diminished quite a bit? venture 04-02-2014, 03:10 PM So, I'm guessing the odds of okc seeing any storms has diminished quite a bit? It was never high. This is a two area scenario. I just posted this in the chat... http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/apr14/2-outlook.png Area to the north is covered by the watch now to handle development along the front. The secondary area (purple) is for the dryline development, but that has always been in question. CuatrodeMayo 04-02-2014, 03:23 PM The single-digit dewpoint temps and RH numbers behind the dryline are interesting. silvergrove 04-02-2014, 04:25 PM It was never high. This is a two area scenario. I just posted this in the chat... http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/apr14/2-outlook.png Area to the north is covered by the watch now to handle development along the front. The secondary area (purple) is for the dryline development, but that has always been in question. All quiet on the western front. NikonNurse 04-02-2014, 05:08 PM The two closest that I know of are at Baptist Hospital and at Peen Square. Neither is very close to Quail, though... I tell you right now the one at Baptist is full...with employees...... venture 04-02-2014, 05:09 PM NW OK is starting to go finally... http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/apr14/2-1.png John1744 04-02-2014, 05:19 PM This probably gets asked a lot in fact I probably have asked before but is there a defacto radar program to use for monitoring weather? Getting sick of using News9's ESP Radar on their site. Could be PC or iOS. woodyrr 04-02-2014, 05:24 PM You might evaluate RadarScope for Mac and iOS. GRLevel3 for PC. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk OKCMallen 04-02-2014, 05:32 PM NW OK is starting to go finally... http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/apr14/2-1.png NOT WAKITA! http://i.imgur.com/KWvbh1u.jpg venture 04-02-2014, 05:38 PM NW OK development now in KS (the area NE of Enid is the wind farm). Additional cells trying west northwest of Tulsa. http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/apr14/2-2.png venture 04-02-2014, 05:42 PM Some new development now on the dryline. http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/apr14/2-3.png venture 04-02-2014, 07:15 PM Tornado watch is being shaved off some on the south side... #OUN cancels Tornado Watch for Blaine, Custer, Dewey, Kingfisher [OK] till 10:00 PM CDTIEM :: Valid Time Extent Code (VTEC) App (http://t.co/3lxydSXDj0) Spartan 04-02-2014, 08:25 PM Well the weathervangelists must be bummed about how this fizzled out.. Now ok with regularly scheduled programming (and lives) Easy180 04-02-2014, 08:39 PM Big bust - Golf clap jn1780 04-02-2014, 09:22 PM Big bust - Golf clap It wasn't a bust....... The Oklahoma economy was stimulated by all the stormchasers buying gas, food, tires, mechanics, and hotel rooms during their cloud chasing. Sounds like an economic boom to me! lol ;) venture 04-02-2014, 10:12 PM Classic example of missing one or two key ingredients causing a bust. Today always went in with not everything lining up perfectly. Coverage was also going to be limited. The fact we had Payne and Morgan going off with their moderate risks did nothing but to ease tensions from this who are gun shy from last year. I doubt they will learn any lessons from this. Side note... We already hit the cap for traffic on the chat room so it's good to figure that out now than during an out break. gjl 04-02-2014, 11:07 PM I didn't watch any of the local weather coverage today. What tie was Mike Morgan wearing? venture 04-03-2014, 12:59 AM Storm outlook... Looks like we have a break until the next real chance. Some showers and storm this Sunday mainly S and SE OK. Then mostly dry through the 11th. Chance of storms return on the 12th and could see some severe weather in western OK (granted this is way far out). After that looks quiet again. Of course all of this is subject to change and probably will. Brett 04-03-2014, 04:20 AM I predict this storm season that Mike Morgan will be using the term "Shelter in Place" as much as Emily Sutton uses the word "Breezy". :) Soonerman12 04-03-2014, 05:42 AM Venture... With a potential triple point setting up today a few miles west of Tulsa today, where is your most likely area for tstorm development? I would think the storms would fire off rapidly at the intercept point of the cold front and dry line probably just east of Tulsa. Should the cap be much weaker and break today? I know that was the main issue yesterday as we couldn't get any vertical development in your guys area. venture 04-03-2014, 09:35 AM Venture... With a potential triple point setting up today a few miles west of Tulsa today, where is your most likely area for tstorm development? I would think the storms would fire off rapidly at the intercept point of the cold front and dry line probably just east of Tulsa. Should the cap be much weaker and break today? I know that was the main issue yesterday as we couldn't get any vertical development in your guys area. See the latest HRRR to have an idea on where to look today: Loop (http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/HRRR/jsloopLocalDiskDateDomainZip.cgi?dsKeys=hrrr_jet:&runTime=2014040311&plotName=cref_t5sfc&fcstInc=60&numFcsts=16&model=hrrr&ptitle=HRRR%20Model%20Fields%20-%20Experimental&maxFcstLen=15&fcstStrLen=-1&resizePlot=1&domain=t5) venture 04-03-2014, 09:42 AM Cold front getting ready to pass through Central OK. There is already severe weather taking place in SE OK and also along the AR border. Not sure how this will impact any initiation along the cold front as it gets into NE OK, but it might keep things from getting too crazy until it moves east of the state. LocoAko 04-03-2014, 10:43 AM Well, I got to see a gustnado and pea sized hail covering the road... womp. venture 04-03-2014, 12:45 PM http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/mcd0261.gif MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0261 NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1233 PM CDT THU APR 03 2014 AREAS AFFECTED...SE KS...SW MO...NE OK...FAR NW AR CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH LIKELY VALID 031733Z - 031900Z PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...95 PERCENT SUMMARY...SEVERE THREAT IS RAPIDLY INCREASING ACROSS SE KS INTO NE OK. STORMS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP IN THE NEXT 1-2 HOURS. ALL SEVERE HAZARDS ARE POSSIBLE WITH VERY LARGE HAIL...STRONG/DAMAGING WINDS AND TORNADOES POSSIBLE. A WW WILL LIKELY BE ISSUED WITHIN THE NEXT HOUR. DISCUSSION...VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWED AGITATED CU FIELD JUST AHEAD OF SFC COLD FRONT/DRYLINE ACROSS SE KS SWD INTO NE OK. 17Z MESOANALYSIS INDICATED LITTLE IF ANY CAP REMAINED ACROSS THIS REGION. THIS MATCHES WELL WITH MODIFIED 17Z RAP FORECAST SOUNDINGS. AS THE FRONT ADVANCES TOWARD THE REGION OVER THE NEXT HOUR OR TWO...STORMS ARE FORECAST TO QUICKLY DEVELOP AND BECOME SEVERE. DEEP LAYER SHEAR WILL FAVOR DISCRETE SUPERCELLS /AT LEAST INITIALLY/. AS LOW LEVEL JET INCREASES LATER THIS AFTERNOON AS MIDLEVEL WAVE IMPINGES ON THE REGION...STORMS MAY TEND TOWARD UPSCALE GROWTH INTO A BROKEN LINE OF SUPERCELLS AND/OR QLCS STRUCTURES. EITHER WAY...LOW LEVEL SHEAR AND FORECAST HODOGRAPHS WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF ROTATING LOW LEVEL MESOCYCLONES AND AN ATTENDANT TORNADO THREAT. ADDITIONALLY...STEEP MID LEVEL LAPSE RATES AROUND 7.5-8 DEG C PER KM AND SBCAPE VALUES APPROACHING 3500 J/KG WILL SUPPORT VERY LARGE HAIL DEVELOPMENT. PORTION OF TORNADO WATCH 0049 WOULD LIKELY BE REPLACED WITH A NEW WATCH TO ENCOMPASS THREAT AS STORMS MOVE EWD INTO SW MO/NW AR. ..LEITMAN/HART.. 04/03/2014 Bunty 04-03-2014, 02:56 PM And so a strong line of storms have formed from near the northeast corner of Oklahoma southwest to I-40. Tulsa will miss out on much of good and bad part of it, since that part of the line got started there overhead. venture 04-03-2014, 03:11 PM A couple of tornado watches are up now for eastern and south central OK. I'm at work so can't let them right now. Anonymous. 04-03-2014, 03:23 PM Nice supercell on the end of that line, near Denton TX. PennyQuilts 04-03-2014, 06:23 PM Nice supercell on the end of that line, near Denton TX. They just reported a tornado on the ground in Denton. PennyQuilts 04-03-2014, 06:26 PM Shut out of the live chat. :calvin: venture 04-03-2014, 08:58 PM Shut out of the live chat. :calvin: Yeah they changed how they count users I pay for now. It is every impression now instead of unique user. So I'm going to find a new system since we will peg the limit really fat on any major day. I have an idea that might be pretty neat. :) PennyQuilts 04-03-2014, 09:29 PM Well, don't break your budget! ou48A 04-04-2014, 11:41 AM Ch 9 (DP) indicated last night that the next chance for severe storms would be in about 10 days... That would be about the 13th In the mean time lets hope we get some rain. venture 04-04-2014, 12:59 PM Well, don't break your budget! No worries on that. It'll be extra work, but if I can pull it off it'll be better. :) Ch 9 (DP) indicated last night that the next chance for severe storms would be in about 10 days... That would be about the 13th They should put out another of their homegrown Moderate Risks now for it...or maybe just go right to High. sigh bchris02 04-04-2014, 01:34 PM Maybe they should issue their own PDS watch. venture 04-04-2014, 01:43 PM Maybe they should issue their own PDS watch. Oh god. Thanks. Now they are going to. LOL venture 04-06-2014, 01:51 AM Storm outlook for this week is pretty quiet overall, with a couple opportunities... Thursday PM - Very slight chance for a storm in SW OK if anything can form, but right now looks like a very low chance. Saturday/Early Sunday - Complex day overall. Good push of moisture moving up through the day. We'll have a dryline somewhere out west, maybe near SW OK, a surface low in the TX PH, and then a cold front coming down from KS. GFS has some rain and storms early moving through SW OK before noon and Central OK by mid afternoon. Instability seems to build behind the early convection and storms will form up along the front in KS and also ahead of the surface low in W OK. Looks like most of the activity will remain north of I-40 on Saturday and for most of Sunday. As the front gets past the main body of Oklahoma on Sunday storms should pop up along the entire boundary. Right now, I wouldn't expect anything too severe for Oklahoma but we'll need to keep and eye on things to see if timing works out any better for storm development. Longer range nothing major showing up. venture 04-07-2014, 12:57 PM Isolated storms are starting to develop in NW OK and will move SE through the day. They will increase as we approve peak heating with the main risk being some gusty winds and small hail. venture 04-07-2014, 01:53 PM Some small hail reports showing up now in southern KS. Would expect the same as these smaller showers/storms increase in intensity. http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/apr14/7-1.png bchris02 04-07-2014, 03:14 PM So is it true we may be looking at an arctic front and a freeze next week? venture 04-07-2014, 03:17 PM So is it true we may be looking at an arctic front and a freeze next week? I wouldn't really call it arctic. :) We might see a few nights in the 30s about 11-12 days out. Plutonic Panda 04-07-2014, 03:19 PM Pleeeaaaase don't get below freezing.. that would suck venture 04-07-2014, 03:24 PM I haven't planted anything outside yet for a reason. :) Plutonic Panda 04-07-2014, 03:39 PM Raining now on I-240 and Shields |