I don't think the video is saying to let the bully speed by. I don't think it's saying that at all. What I see it saying is to be courteous. Pass and then get back into the right lane to leave the passing lane open for others. Some people take it as a personal offense that someone wants to pass them or that someone is driving faster than them. I'm not a particularly fast driver most of the time. I try to conserve my gas. I drive in the right lane unless I'm passing. If someone passes me, it doesn't bother me. If the speed limit is 70 and they're doing 75 or 80, it's not my job to drive 69 in the passing lane to make sure that no one goes over the speed limit.

I'm currently trying to teach my son that the left hand lane is for passing only and not to camp out in the left lane.My bad for not watching the whole thing. That exact video was on a Miata board a few weeks ago. It's been shortened since then. It had a segment on the end where the guy goes into how he's surprised his old driving habits didn't create road rage and suggesting others make sure to not aggravate faster drivers.

How much could cities and states save by doing away with yield signs? No one ever sees them, reads them, nor abides by them anyway. Nearly got t-boned by a woman on her phone who just blew through one the other day.

How much could cities and states save by doing away with yield signs? No one ever sees them, reads them, nor abides by them anyway. Nearly got t-boned by a woman on her phone who just blew through one the other day.

Seriously... the yield sign protecting the exit from northbound LHP onto 150th might was well not exist.

How much could cities and states save by doing away with yield signs? No one ever sees them, reads them, nor abides by them anyway. Nearly got t-boned by a woman on her phone who just blew through one the other day.

I had an old hag road raging on me the other day because I didnt cause a wreck by swerving into traffic to allow her into the lane I was in (she was coming onto the freeway on an on-ramp). She had ample time to either speed up and get in front of me or slow down a hair and ease in beside me.... but no... she expected me to just crash my car into the vehicle to the left of me so that she could "merge".

Yesterday morning, 5:45ish AM, eastbound on I44 near Western. We're in the middle lane of three lanes. There's a few cars in the right lane, less in the middle and absolutely no one in the left as far as I could see either direction. This idiot in a big silver SUV came up on our back bumper. All I could see was headlights. Which he flashed at my while honking. If he wanted around the left lane was completely empty. Besides, I was going 65 to 70 in a 60. I have no idea what his problem was. Then just now I'm westbound on I 40 having just gotten on from northbound I44. I'm in the middle lane going about 65 and about Meridian I come up on a semi going 60ish. I move to the right lane to go around and I'm getting off at MacArthur anyway. A car gets behind me and swerves back and forth between the semi and the shoulder. As I pull onto the exit the car gets beside me and the guy flipping me off and screaming something. What's with people.

I've notice people behave differently based on what car I'm driving. If I'm driving the minivan, no matter how fast I'm going people will swerve, speed, and do everything they can to pass me. They get super aggressive. If I'm on my harley, in a sports car, or driving the jeep, not so much. It's like people get upset or offended getting passed by certain types of vehicles.

You might have something there. Both days I was driving our Suzuki SX4. I don't think I see as many crazies when I'm on the Harley or in the Jeep or the Miata.

I've notice people behave differently based on what car I'm driving. If I'm driving the minivan, no matter how fast I'm going people will swerve, speed, and do everything they can to pass me. They get super aggressive. If I'm on my harley, in a sports car, or driving the jeep, not so much. It's like people get upset or offended getting passed by certain types of vehicles.

I have a tricked out van with a supercharged v8 and agree with all of this. I see ridiculous, desperate, behavior to swerve and pass the van going 5-10mph over at just about all times. The worst is having my cruise control set and passing a car on the left, the car on the right thinks "what the...is that a VAN about to pass ME? I'm driving a 2.5liter Sonata damnit!" Said car then floors the gas to do some kind of Days of Thunder move through the car in front and me to get ahead and fly through the gap.

The desperate moves to get in front of my vehicle are especially bad on exit/entry lanes to the freeway. I'm starting to wonder if it's how I will die.

But when I drive the my daily driver, the project car, the ragtop, or any of my scoots I never see it. I think it's because people can't see around the front of the vehicle. But still. Why the need to do 70-100mph to be in front of a vehicle that's already exceeding the speed limit?

My son passed his driver's test today. First time. God help us all, he's on the road now.

Congratulations.... Hope he doesn't take up the new fad I've been experiencing from OKC drivers recently.... Changing lanes in intersections.

I had an unpleasant experience this weekend as a pedestrian.

I was crossing Hudson near Elemental Coffee on Sunday afternoon when a car came zooming up very fast from the south; likely going 40-50 MPH in a 25-30 MPH zone.

Just as I reached my car on the other side of the street, this young lady blew her horn at me.

I was already pissed she was blazing down that street in the first place and I happened to pull up next to her at a light a couple of streets down. I said, "Hey, you were driving *way* over the speed limit in an area with lots of pedestrians and you blow your horn at me?? That's not cool." She lied and never said she didn't do it, then turned into the OCU Law parking lot.

What an idiot. And since I had been taking pictures as she approached me, I went back and confirmed it was indeed her car.


There is a weird and growing tension between OKC drivers and pedestrians and cyclists. I suspect because most our roads are built to move people very fast and that drivers are not used to anything other than cars; and don't like if they have to slow down for a fraction of a second.

There is a weird and growing tension between OKC drivers and pedestrians and cyclists. I suspect because most our roads are built to move people very fast and that drivers are not used to anything other than cars; and don't like if they have to slow down for a fraction of a second.

Amazingly I have had several motorists stop and wave me across a street while walking around the Film Row area..... Now crossing Broadway in Automobile Alley, even with the new signs up, still scares the bejeezus out of me.

I had an unpleasant experience this weekend as a pedestrian.

I was crossing Hudson near Elemental Coffee on Sunday afternoon when a car came zooming up very fast from the south; likely going 40-50 MPH in a 25-30 MPH zone.

Just as I reached my car on the other side of the street, this young lady blew her horn at me.

I was already pissed she was blazing down that street in the first place and I happened to pull up next to her at a light a couple of streets down. I said, "Hey, you were driving *way* over the speed limit in an area with lots of pedestrians and you blow your horn at me?? That's not cool." She lied and never said she didn't do it, then turned into the OCU Law parking lot.

What an idiot. And since I had been taking pictures as she approached me, I went back and confirmed it was indeed her car.


There is a weird and growing tension between OKC drivers and pedestrians and cyclists. I suspect because most our roads are built to move people very fast and that drivers are not used to anything other than cars; and don't like if they have to slow down for a fraction of a second.

Hudson and Walker from 23rd to 10th = crazy bats out of hell who don't give a rat's behind about it being (mostly) residential and very ped/cyclist oriented. It just boils me how rampant it is. In the mornings, especially, when oh-so-selfish people who are running a bit late to work heading toward downtown on one of these streets don't even bother to stop at a stop sign.

The thing is, in addition to the activity where Pete was, there is a TON of pedestrian traffic each morning near Wilson School. I was pleasantly surprised how many parents walk their children to school down there. It's kind of old-timey and really cool seeing that. But again, with the way people drive, I'm afraid there will eventually be an accident. Hope I'm wrong.

Having said that, I've been pleasantly surprised as a cyclist with how *most* people are very courteous to me when I'm out riding. Many people who have the right of way will go out of their way to stop and wave me through so I won't have to break my momentum. I try to always smile and wave a "thank you" to them for their courtesy. Sadly, it's the few bad apples out there that wreck it for many of us.

Congratulations.... Hope he doesn't take up the new fad I've been experiencing from OKC drivers recently.... Changing lanes in intersections.

In all truth, he's a very considerate and cautious driver. If anything, too cautious which brings in it's own problems. But being a motorcyclist, I've hammered into him an awareness of others, so I think he'll be ok. But he is blond and not so much on the common sense, so I still worry.

Hudson and Walker from 23rd to 10th = crazy bats out of hell who don't give a rat's behind about it being (mostly) residential and very ped/cyclist oriented. It just boils me how rampant it is. In the mornings, especially, when oh-so-selfish people who are running a bit late to work heading toward downtown on one of these streets don't even bother to stop at a stop sign.

This is what's hurting downtown Edmond's growth IMO. Broadway from 15th to 2nd is 6 lanes, no easy crossing, and a speed limit that's way too high. There are more and more offices going in on the east side of the road, with restaurants on the west. There's no way for pedestrians to safely cross. They need to narrow the road and add some crosswalks. People think they should be able to do 55 from 2nd to Memorial.

My son passed his driver's test today. First time. God help us all, he's on the road now.

Congratulations to your son. That's a big step for the young ones.

BTW, I know there is a Better Classen project underway and man is it needed...

On Sunday I crossed Classen at 6th; from the west side to the east side where Sunnyside and Revolucion are located.

Holy Cow... Six traffic lanes plus one turn lane... You can barely get across it during a signal change.

What a huge barrier between all the residential areas to the west of Classen and the commercial / downtown core.

BTW, I know there is a Better Classen project underway and man is it needed...

On Sunday I crossed Classen at 6th; from the west side to the east side where Sunnyside and Revolucion are located.

Holy Cow... Six traffic lanes plus one turn lane... You can barely get across it during a signal change.

What a huge barrier between all the residential areas to the west of Classen and the commercial / downtown core.

Yeah... I agree on Classen being tough to cross.... I usually make the walk from my mechanic, when I drop my vehicles off for maintenance, back to my office and crossing Classen is always an adventure.... It's almost like playing live action Frogger!

There are also places along Classen where there is no sidewalk.... You are walking through mud if it's been raining or balancing on the curb as drivers go flying past you.

This is what's hurting downtown Edmond's growth IMO. Broadway from 15th to 2nd is 6 lanes, no easy crossing, and a speed limit that's way too high. There are more and more offices going in on the east side of the road, with restaurants on the west. There's no way for pedestrians to safely cross. They need to narrow the road and add some crosswalks. People think they should be able to do 55 from 2nd to Memorial.

In Edmond, on Broadway between 15th & 2nd the speed limit is 35, except for a small section of 30mph just south of 2nd. which to me is reasonable for that stretch of road. But like you said, some folks think they have to blast through there. I set my cruise on 35 when driving that stretch and almost always get passed by other motorists.

I crossed Classen. Once.

In Edmond, on Broadway between 15th & 2nd the speed limit is 35, except for a small section of 30mph just south of 2nd. which to me is reasonable for that stretch of road. But like you said, some folks think they have to blast through there. I set my cruise on 35 when driving that stretch and almost always get passed by other motorists.

Yup. Improper road design from a time period where they thought bigger is better. The lanes are too large, and too many lanes, with too little stop points, which gives the impression of a higher speed limit. It's the same problem 23rd has. Luckily city planners in Oklahoma are starting to figure this stuff out.

Congratulations.... Hope he doesn't take up the new fad I've been experiencing from OKC drivers recently.... Changing lanes in intersections.

I've noticed that too. Along with the current red light running fad, that should make for an interesting combination.

This is a bad problem at N. Western and the Kilpatrick. When westbound on the service road, trying to turn right on red on to Western, the north bound traffic coming from under the bridge and wanting to turn right into OnCue or onto Memorial can make for some harrowing experiences. Your getting ready to turn right, you check to make sure the lane is clear, you go and suddenly there's a car right there where there wasn't one just a second before because they changed lanes right in the intersection.

...Your getting ready to turn right, you check to make sure the lane is clear, you go and suddenly there's a car right there where there wasn't one just a second before because they changed lanes right in the intersection.

Exactly... That's the same experience I've had as well. Only in different locations.

Have you experienced someone swing around you during a turn in an intersection? That's a pleasant surprise.

Have you experienced someone swing around you during a turn in an intersection? That's a pleasant surprise.

Not yet but man I can't wait to experience that one! ;)

I did have a guy make a right turn in front of me from the left lane of a one way street at Reno one day while waiting for the light to change.

Yup. Improper road design from a time period where they thought bigger is better. The lanes are too large, and too many lanes, with too little stop points, which gives the impression of a higher speed limit. It's the same problem 23rd has. Luckily city planners in Oklahoma are starting to figure this stuff out.

PLANNERS are, but traffic engineers still fight on the side of wider/faster = better.

PLANNERS are, but traffic engineers still fight on the side of wider/faster = better.

"Planners" have had it figured out for 10 years or more.

Heck, I joined OKC as staff in 2005 and I was already a Jeff Speck/new urbanism follower... (I left OKC in 2012).

You are right, of course.

You are right, of course.

I know.

:)

Have you experienced someone swing around you during a turn in an intersection? That's a pleasant surprise.
Not at an intersection but, one of the facilities I manage is the first left off of Air Cargo Road (one lane each way) going South from SW 59th. At least every month I have someone go around me on my left as I wait for a North bound car to clear. Hello! If I'm sitting it means the North bound car is too close already! It always results in horns honking, tires squealing and I assume lots of bad words yelled.

Sick and tired of people on the freeway thinking the safety space between me and the car in front of me is for them.

Had a lady swerve over and try to fit in that space today. She saw me there and swerved back into her lane. I thought, "Good. She thought better of that dumb move." Then a few minutes later she went ahead and made that dumb move. She commenced to drive slow and weave back and forth in the lane. So I moved one lane to the right and passed her and saw she was oblivious to me and everyone else on the road because she was on her phone.

Which brings up another problem; she was in a late model Toyota. I know she has Bluetooth. Why isn't she using it? I actually see a lot of that around the city. People in late model cars that I know at least have Bluetooth if not Android Auto and Apple Car Play, and they are still holding their phones up to their ears while driving. Why do people do this?

/rant/

Sick and tired of people on the freeway thinking the safety space between me and the car in front of me is for them.

Had a lady swerve over and try to fit in that space today. She saw me there and swerved back into her lane. I thought, "Good. She thought better of that dumb move." Then a few minutes later she went ahead and made that dumb move. She commenced to drive slow and weave back and forth in the lane. So I moved one lane to the right and passed her and saw she was oblivious to me and everyone else on the road because she was on her phone.

Which brings up another problem; she was in a late model Toyota. I know she has Bluetooth. Why isn't she using it? I actually see a lot of that around the city. People in late model cars that I know at least have Bluetooth if not Android Auto and Apple Car Play, and they are still holding their phones up to their ears while driving. Why do people do this?

/rant/

For your last point, I will say that its possible she doesn't actually have Bluetooth. My car (2015 Kia Rio) could have Bluetooth, but I got the super base model with basically no fluff and so it doesn't have Bluetooth. She may be in the same situation. Doesn't excuse her driving or phone habits, of course.

Not to beat a dead horse, but in lieu of ranting elsewhere -- what is it about turn signals that make the people of OKC so averse to them? At a four-way stop? Why use a turn signal? Changing lanes? Just slide on over! Making a right turn while someone is waiting to also turn right? Surprise them by turning! And Lord help me for thinking people might drive like civilized people and use turn signals in a parking lot....

I grew up in NJ, notorious for its drivers who are often shockingly aggressive... but I am continuously shocked by the poor driving skills I see here (though I admittedly spend much more time in the car here than I did there). And it isn't just turn signals, though that is the main thing that grinds my gears -- the number of blatant running of red lights here is out of control. I frequently see people fly through intersections that have been red for 2+ seconds already. Probably goes hand-in-hand with the amount of texting while driving that I also see here, though. *shrug*

You don't warn your enemies of your intentions in advance? ;)

I frequently see people fly through intersections that have been red for 2+ seconds already. Probably goes hand-in-hand with the amount of texting while driving that I also see here, though. *shrug*

I think it has less to do with texting and more to do with a sense of "Me first!" or "Ain't no one got time for that!" entitlement that seems to be running rampant recently.... Not much different than the people I see doing 50 in 30 MPH speed zones because they can't be bothered to slow down.

Sick and tired of people on the freeway thinking the safety space between me and the car in front of me is for them.


This, and those who use that space to take an exit from the 2nd lane. Never mind the fact that they likely knew their exit was approaching and could/should have gotten over into the 1st lane already. -_-

You don't warn your enemies of your intentions in advance? ;)

+1

A trend that I've seen more of lately is people slowing down as they approach a green light.

Example: The other day I'm driving down a city street behind someone and we're approaching a light that's been green for a while so you know it'll be changing soon. If we continue at current speed we'll make the light no problem. But the person in front starts hitting their brakes, slowing down and riding their brakes. We make it through the light while it's still green but with not much to spare. I've also experienced this same thing but it changes to yellow and the person in front realizes it and hits the accelerator and makes it through the intersection leaving me behind as it changes to red.

I don't understand it. These people are cruising along at a normal speed until they get to an intersection with a green light and then start riding their brakes. What's their thinking? If they would just continue at their normal speed, we could make it through the intersection. Why am I seeing this happen more and more?

^^^ I consider it safe practice to let up a bit when entering an intersection. Especially when posted speeds are over 40mph. Maybe it's the long time motorcycle rider in me, but just because the speed limit is 40 or 45 doesn't mean you have to blow through the intersection at that speed. You never know when someone is going to turn left in front of you without using their turn signal, or run the red light on the cross street.

Letting off the accelerator to give yourself a moment to judge the intersection before going through is fine. It's when people hit their brakes and slow down so much so as to not make it through the intersection that bothers me.

Letting off the accelerator to give yourself a moment to judge the intersection before going through is fine. It's when people hit their brakes and slow down so much so as to not make it through the intersection that bothers me.

Ha, can't tell you how many times this has happened (starting fairly recently), and I'm yelling "It's green, just f-ing GO!!!!"

Ha, can't tell you how many times this has happened (starting fairly recently), and I'm yelling "It's green, just f-ing GO!!!!"

Agree with you there.

Wish we still had the like button.

Letting off the accelerator to give yourself a moment to judge the intersection before going through is fine. It's when people hit their brakes and slow down so much so as to not make it through the intersection that bothers me.



Another trending problem is the growing number of people who won't go when the light turns green. A lot of them use their time sitting at stop light to get on their phone and start texting instead of paying attention to traffic. Then when the signal turns green, they continue to sit there on their phone. By the time they pull their head out, only a small handfull of cars get through before the signal turns red again.

Another trending problem is the growing number of people who won't go when the light turns green. A lot of them use their time sitting at stop light to get on their phone and start texting instead of paying attention to traffic. Then when the signal turns green, they continue to sit there on their phone. By the time they pull their head out, only a small handfull of cars get through before the signal turns red again.

If I'm the second or third in line, I honk if they don't move within a few seconds. Even though I know I'll make it through, I always try to be aware of the drivers behind me and be courteous to them. The person in front may feel that I'm being rude, but they are being rude to the long line of cars behind that get stuck in a the red light and have to wait through another cycle.

I hear you. It used to be rare that I would ever use my horn. I've had to use it a lot more here lately.

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I managed to encounter almost every complaint about OKC drivers on my way to work on I-35 this morning. It was amazing!

Obviously no stopping for green lights but everything else..... I really need to get moved down to my cabin at Ardmore and get out of OKC before I go William Foster on someone.... Bonus points if you get the William Foster reference without Googling it.

^^^ Believe it of not, the only person that came clearly to mind was the role Michael Douglas played in the movie Falling Down, but I couldn't remember the characters name and had to look it up to be sure. Will you allow 1/2 a point?

^^^ Believe it of not, the only person that came clearly to mind was the role Michael Douglas played in the movie Falling Down, but I couldn't remember the characters name and had to look it up to be sure. Will you allow 1/2 a point?

HAHA... Sure... It's Friday and I'm feeling generous. ;)

Saw my old buddy with the "Left lane is for passing" law posted on his back windshield on Shields again this morning, speeding and changing lanes aggressively.... I managed to catch up to him at every stop light by driving safely and doing the speed limit.

I also got to see an idiot speed through a red light that turned red a good 4-5 seconds before they made the intersection. How I managed to not be witness to a horrible accident is beyond me.... Only thing I can figure is that the driver with the green light was texting and missed the light change.... So I guess sometimes texting and driving does save lives... GO FIGURE!!!

Yeah, I was gonna say Falling Down but rez beat me to it. Good movie.

" Your forgot the briefcase!. You forgot the briefcase!".

Got behind a car yesterday that was riding its brakes. Listen, if you keep hitting your brakes every 5 seconds, those of us behind you can't tell if you're really slowing down/stopping or just riding your brakes.

I'm wondering if speedometers for vehicles sold in OKC are calibrated to show they're going 10 MPH faster than they actually are.....

^^ I wondering if turn signals are optional on late model cars.

Maybe they're out of blinker fluid?

Maaaaaan, they promised me they checked the blinker fluid when they rotated my 710 cap.

Got behind a car yesterday that was riding its brakes. Listen, if you keep hitting your brakes every 5 seconds, those of us behind you can't tell if you're really slowing down/stopping or just riding your brakes.

HA! I've been behind cards accelerating with their brake lights on!

I wasn't going to bring this up but since the thread is up right now. I'm was on I40 westbound on the way to work Tuesday. I was in the second to right lane where it's four lanes. I, as most cars at that time, was doing 67ish. A car came up behind me and got right on my bumper. He started flashing his lights. I really had nowhere to move or I would have gotten out of his way. I could see this in the left lane but in the right-center?

I wasn't going to bring this up but since the thread is up right now. I'm was on I40 westbound on the way to work Tuesday. I was in the second to right lane where it's four lanes. I, as most cars at that time, was doing 67ish. A car came up behind me and got right on my bumper. He started flashing his lights. I really had nowhere to move or I would have gotten out of his way. I could see this in the left lane but in the right-center?

Man that hacks me off when people do that. It causes my recessive-dominant a-hole gene to kick in and my foot usually slips off the accelerator to help me save a little gas by just coasting a ways.

I am starting to believe that there is a segment of the population that is so self-absorbed that they actually believe that they are the only ones on the road that have somewhere to go. Every other car on the freeway is there just to be in their way.