i hate that!

And we'll have to live with it a few more days until all the wet puddles dry out. It looks especially bad on a black car. A few minutes ago I went into the garage and there was just water and funk and slush all over the car and the floor. Bleh.

How does a professional race car driver navigate normal traffic? (http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2015/03/03/how_does_a_professional_race_car_driver_navigate_n ormal_traffic.html)

"There are places where it's almost comical to me that people slow down. On interstates, there might be a long, slow curve, and people brake for it. There's a flyover where I live, going from one 65 mph road to another. I typically leave the cruise set to exactly 65, verified by a precision 20 Hz GPS, and just drive normally on the flyover to the other road. People consistently slow to below 40 mph to take that flyover. I've done it in an SUV, a minivan, and of course a sports car. There's no reason the average driver couldn't do it in his car if he had the proper training.

With that said, go get the proper training. Take your car to your local high-performance driver education event at your nearest raceway and discover what your car is capable of and what you're capable of. Eyes up, look through the corner, look where you want to go, and go there."

What irritates me is no one uses their turn signal until they want to merge onto the highway going 35mph and expect people to be luvy duvy and let them on.

I was under the impression that turn signals were optional on late model cars.

On interstates, there might be a long, slow curve, and people brake for it. There's a flyover where I live, going from one 65 mph road to another. I typically leave the cruise set to exactly 65, verified by a precision 20 Hz GPS, and just drive normally on the flyover to the other road. People consistently slow to below 40 mph to take that flyover.

I-44 eastbound to I-35 southbound. 60 mph at either end. My road test for just about anything involves going through that curve at 60 mph. (Current tires on my ride will do 61, 62 maybe without complaint: the previous rubber would make it through at 65, but you risked scraping the door handles on the pavement.)

Not too long ago, the Oklahoman published a letter from someone who thought this practice was heinous. Probably the same jerk who parks in the left lane at 55.

I do not understand the thinking of some people driving in neighborhoods. There will be cars parked on the side of the street. It happens. Seen it most of my life. But some idiots will swing so far away from a known hazard, the parked car, to almost have a head to head collision with a vehicle going the opposite way. Silver Street, one of the main drags into my neighbor, is wide enough to park 4 cars side by side.

I was under the impression that turn signals were optional on late model cars.

By late model you mean 2015 or older right?

I do not understand the thinking of some people driving in neighborhoods. There will be cars parked on the side of the street. It happens. Seen it most of my life. But some idiots will swing so far away from a known hazard, the parked car, to almost have a head to head collision with a vehicle going the opposite way. Silver Street, one of the main drags into my neighbor, is wide enough to park 4 cars side by side.

See that all the time, and meanwhile I get by the cars with about a foot of clearance. They're probably the same idiots that swing out into the left lane while turning right, they have no idea where their vehicle's physical boundaries are and how to handle it. Saw some doofus in a huge-a** pickup truck waiting to turn right out of a car wash on Penn, he was waiting because cars were turning in and he couldn't figure out how to turn his steering wheel all the way to the right to actually not take up the whole entrance while turning out of the car wash.

As the race car driver said, figure out what your car's limits are, know your car. That's one of the first things I do when I get a new car - figure out how long it is, how wide it is, how fast it'll go around curves (my CJ-7 was kinda lacking in that respect, I found out pretty quickly), etc. But a ton of people can't figure out how to turn the dome light off and on, much less how their car actually operates.

By late model you mean 2015 or older right?

That pretty much covers it... yes.

As the race car driver said, figure out what your car's limits are, know your car.

Then figure out what your own limits are.

See that all the time, and meanwhile I get by the cars with about a foot of clearance. They're probably the same idiots that swing out into the left lane while turning right, they have no idea where their vehicle's physical boundaries are and how to handle it. Saw some doofus in a huge-a** pickup truck waiting to turn right out of a car wash on Penn, he was waiting because cars were turning in and he couldn't figure out how to turn his steering wheel all the way to the right to actually not take up the whole entrance while turning out of the car wash.

As the race car driver said, figure out what your car's limits are, know your car. That's one of the first things I do when I get a new car - figure out how long it is, how wide it is, how fast it'll go around curves (my CJ-7 was kinda lacking in that respect, I found out pretty quickly), etc. But a ton of people can't figure out how to turn the dome light off and on, much less how their car actually operates.

This will sound so cliché, but, exactly. I can pass by a parked car, always check for head shadows in the driver seat, close enough to make my wife say eek. Once you get dialed into your car's handling there is no excuse for the sloppy driving I see everywhere. Though, most times I wouldn't mind if they flared curbs a bit more at exits and entrances.

Saw this yesterday, thought it appropriate for this thread...

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I try very hard to keep my eyes on the road and check my 6 but when they have the Hot Rod show in town I'm a hopeless rubber necker. They like to come out to Mustang and get some pics at our retro gas station. I'm going to go cruise around tonight and probably go up 66 to Pop's.

Having lived in 5 other states, I would have to say that the drivers in OK are by far the worst ever. Yield means just that and people do not know how to merge which makes driving here on the worst roads damn near a death sentence every time you get in your car.

Having lived in 5 other states, I would have to say that the drivers in OK are by far the worst ever. Yield means just that and people do not know how to merge which makes driving here on the worst roads damn near a death sentence every time you get in your car.

You're new to the board, you have two posts and both are negative toward Oklahoma and Oklahomans. You're gonna get labeled a troll if you're not careful. We understand we're not perfect as a city, state or people, but there are better ways to make a critical analysis.

I don't know about comparisons to other towns, but I can tell you as a state, Okies: a) Don't know what that little lever on the left side of the steering column is for; b) Think they can safely make lane changes using mirrors only; (God forbid you be travelling in their blind spot, especially on a bike) and c) don't understand the complex concept of the passing lane.

I don't know about comparisons to other towns, but I can tell you as a state, Okies: a) Don't know what that little lever on the left side of the steering column is for; b) Think they can safely make lane changes using mirrors only; (God forbid you be travelling in their blind spot, especially on a bike) and c) don't understand the complex concept of the passing lane.

I agree with A & c.

As far as B. If you are driving a motorcycle and travelling in someones blind spot. That's your fault. Motorcyclists should know better than to ever hang out in that zone and if you have your mirrors set correctly you really shouldn't have a blind spot and changing lanes using mirrors only is the safest option with the mirrors set correctly because you can do it just by moving your eyes and not your head.

Unfortunately drivers that don't understand points A & B are totally freaking clueless about how to set their mirrors correctly...... Too many people think sideview mirror means they should see the side of their car in it rather than what is to the side of their car..... Set correctly the 3 mirrors should work to give you one complete view of the rear and sides of your car outside your peripheral vision.

235 and 44 is the one of the best examples of people not paying attention to the yield sign. The oncoming traffic blows through the sign and traffic has to come to almost a standstill to allow for the cars to get over and exit.

235 and 44 is the one of the best examples of people not paying attention to the yield sign. The oncoming traffic blows through the sign and traffic has to come to almost a standstill to allow for the cars to get over and exit.

It was like that at one time, but isn't that fixed now? I remember the famous yields into traffic - no entry lane at all. Kind of like NW Expressway and May, coming off NW Expressway and doing the circle thing up to southbound May Avenue (northbound not much better, but you can at least see the sign coming up). People from out of town would never expect a yield sign (or a stop sign) on an on/off ramp like that. That is a major disaster waiting to happen. They already have years ago, some really sad stories there. But it's been awhile and someone will be asking how it was allowed to stay that way for so long.

Thinking again about what you wrote, coming off 235 southbound to take the Northwest Expressway westbound is crazy. And then NW Expressway and Bell Isle Station. It all makes for what I believe was rated the number one intersection for accidents last year.

Visited Bricktown this past Saturday; this was my observation of OKC drivers:

5:35 p.m. Arrived at Bass Pro to pick up a few items before the baseball game.

There was a huge outdoor street concert in Bricktown (dominated by women in shorts wearing cowboy boots) where it was difficult to keep my eyes focused or listen to my 2 grandsons' ooh & aah as they made their crack of dawn remarks... :rolleyes:; it was the worst I've seen with traffic congestion in OKC central yet.

The OKC drivers continued to be courteous despite the traffic wrap-around jams that took us from the parking lot of the Bass Pro Shop (true nightmare) to the Bricktown Ballpark. Had to park as far away as the Downtown YMCA parking lot, walk to the Walnut Street Bridge to get to the ballpark.

Chevy Events Center lot (half full) wanted $30 to park (Hell No!). Arrived for the start of the 3rd inning for a 7:05 p.m. start.

Visited Bricktown this past Saturday; this was my observation of OKC drivers:

5:35 p.m. Arrived at Bass Pro to pick up a few items before the baseball game.

There was a huge outdoor street concert in Bricktown (dominated by women in shorts wearing cowboy boots) where it was difficult to keep my eyes focused or listen to my 2 grandsons' ooh & aah as they made their crack of dawn remarks... :rolleyes:; it was the worst I've seen with traffic congestion in OKC central yet.

The OKC drivers continued to be courteous despite the traffic wrap-around jams that took us from the parking lot of the Bass Pro Shop (true nightmare) to the Bricktown Ballpark. Had to park as far away as the Downtown YMCA parking lot, walk to the Walnut Street Bridge to get to the ballpark.

Chevy Events Center lot (half full) wanted $30 to park (Hell No!). Arrived for the start of the 3rd inning for a 7:05 p.m. start.
I'm not sure I understand why you did that. The Bass Pro parking lot is easy walking distance to the ballpark.

After spending time in Rome, Madrid and Athens the drivers of Okc are saints compared to those lunatics.

Ten States With the Worst Drivers (http://www.carinsurancecomparison.com/which-states-have-the-worst-drivers/)

#9, gosh, I'm shocked.

"Worst offenders in failure to obey" ... Why am I not surprised?.

If anybody here does these things below, *please* tell me why, as I can't find any of these actions justifiable....

When someone behind you floats a stop sign (one of many in our subdivision that are improperly and inconsistently placed for speed control, which is a no-no, not safety), and you come to a complete stop at future stop signs for 30 seconds (in order to make the person behind you "behave"? Newsflash - doesn't work, just p*sses the driver behind you off and they'll most likely pass you the first chance they get).

When you're squatting in the left lane of a highway and not passing anybody and somebody behind you flashes their lights at you (meaning "move over, you're not passing anybody and it's illegal (and rude) to sit in the left lane like that), and you decide to not only *not* move over, but to slow down and keep them from passing you.

When you're driving down the highway and someone passes you, you decide to follow them and get in front of them and slam on your brakes (to theoretically slow them down? Newsflash - doesn't work, just p*sses off the driver behind you and they'll most likely pass you the first chance they get).

When you're driving down the highway and someone is trying to get past you, you slow down to match traffic so they can't get by.

When you're on the highway and somebody is coming up behind you in your lane, then passes you on the left and then changes lanes back in front of you (about 4-5 car lengths ahead of you, not dangerously close to you) to get off at an exit (because you were going slower than the speed limit), you get off at their exit, tailgate them, and try to intimidate them.

When you're driving in a neighborhood with a 25 MPH limit and you're going 10 MPH and somebody comes up behind you and passes you because you're going so slow and *then* you decide to go faster and you follow them and try to intimidate them.

Oklahoma City is the only place I've driven where I see this kind of crap (along with lots of other stupid stuff that happens that I didn't list and yes, other drivers in other cities do bad/stupid things, but I see these specific things very, very frequently here) consistently, pretty much daily, and often. Why? Does the conservative, sheeple, groupthink mind here extend to driving and traffic so much that nobody driving out of the ordinary can be tolerated and must be subjected to vigilantism?

If somebody wants to float poorly placed stop signs and drive faster than the other drivers, YOU ARE NOT A COP - just let them go and forget about it or call 911 if you're that concerned about their driving being unsafe, but don't be a d*** and turn into a vigilante.

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Oklahoma City is the only place I've driven where I see this kind of crap (along with lots of other stupid stuff that happens that I didn't list and yes, other drivers in other cities do bad/stupid things, but I see these specific things very, very frequently here) consistently, pretty much daily, and often. Why? Does the conservative, sheeple, groupthink mind here extend to driving and traffic so much that nobody driving out of the ordinary can be tolerated and must be subjected to vigilantism? ...

Every place the other drivers are likely to have some annoying habits. While a lot of what you mention seem related in they are obviously frustrating in people wasting capacity being too cautions, we also have people who do aggressive maneuvers for pointless reasons too.

Some of that may be related that we are a small large city with decent capacity for our size, much larger population with our network and it would be to the point that most of the time the congestion would be more of a limit than whatever the other drivers did (other than flat out crashing), much smaller and we probably would have fewer freeways/highways. Eastern and older cities tend not to have as clean a grid of distributor streets where non highway traffic can even make decent speeds.

Some of those situations probably have to do with taking drivers actions personally, if someone is riding your tail or acting like an ass to you in some other way (not all of what you are sympathetic to is legal either), many people's reaction is not to be nice back, sure objectively it would be better to just get out of the way or not been there in the first place. Add to that it can be easy to see other cars on the road as objects verses as something with people in them, where as they probably would be nicer if was a similar situation on a sidewalk.

That reminds me of a situation I recently had on the Hefner Parkway. I was driving north in fairly light traffic and was going the speed limit in the right hand lane. A car came up behind me and was driving dangerously close to the rear of my car. I started to slow down to get them to pass and had to get down to about 45 before they gave up and went around me.

I noticed today that people around here seem to have lost their common sense a bit. I was traveling south on I-35 in the center lane, and was moving at 70 like everyone else around me, when a little car came screaming past everyone going at least 100-110 mph. Stupid. Then, not even 2 hours later, I was coming back north on 35 in the left lane when some jackass was right on my bumper. I moved one lane to the right and he darted right across all lanes to try to pass me on the right side, and he side-swiped another car and rammed it right off the road. He tried to keep going with a blown tire and I tailed him (on the phone with Moore police) to the Starbucks at N 27th. Watched as a friend pulled up and tried to help him change the tire when the police showed up. Be careful out there. After watching this, it makes me nervous as hell driving around some of these psychos.

I spend a lot of time driving on 23rd. I can't stand people "acting casual" to avoid attention from police by doing 5 under the already low and mostly unenforced/disregarded limit of 30. **NEWS FLASH** you're doing 25 on a 4-6 lane avenue in a hoopty with rusted off mufflers, 3 missing hub caps, and threads of weathered duct tape holding bits of smashed car parts onto the chassis. If a cop wants to shake you down for the substance you might be carrying: he's just going to point out that you've hot glued a maybelline compact in the gaping hole where side mirror used to be. OR just say you were swerving.

The other, and slightly annoying more alternative, is to drive E-W on 24th and 22nd streets. I call this "ridin dirty" as 50 cent put it. It's a shame because those rusted off mufflers can put off just the right frequencies to rattle my windows at all hours of night.

I miss the inspection stickers in OK, there's just too many cars on the road that have no business there. It's a safety issue for everyone. I saw some teenagers in a mid nineties geo with alignment so out of order it was crab walking at about 10 degrees while the wheel balance had tires Independently hopping off the ground looking like it was about to shake the car into pieces. All this while doing 90 up I-35 near sw29th st.

^^^ This.. so much this,

Yeah, as much of a pain as it can be, I would be totally in favor of bringing vehicle inspections back to OK... it's absolutely a public safety issue.

More revenue for the state(would this go to roads, highways, and bridges?) and would bring drivers more safety. Oklahoma is one of the only states where I've literally had to dodge pieces of others cars while driving on the highway.

Not OKC, but in Japan and I thought this was pretty cool.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=81&v=WfrKFU9z0GQ

I see this idiot driving down Shields regularly and have always wanted to snap a pic to share but have never been able to get behind him at a stop light..... Well this morning the idiot went flying by me and then cut in front of me, without using a turn signal, as we were coming up to a light turning red.

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Now every time I see this Massengil product on Shields he is speeding and swerving through traffic without using a turn signal, and treating the roads as if they are his own personal race track. Yet he feels the need to post the state law for how to drive on our highways legally??? A law which I'm pretty sure he interprets as meaning he can drive in the left lane as fast as he feels like despite the law stating it is a passing lane..... Not a speeding lane.

He needs to read that entire section of the law:


47-11-309.

Whenever any roadway has been divided into two or more clearly
marked lanes for traffic, the following rules in addition to all
others consistent herewith shall apply.
1. A vehicle shall be driven as nearly as practicable entirely
within a single lane and shall not be moved from the lane until the
driver has first ascertained that the movement can be made with
safety and then given a signal, not less than the last one hundred
(100) feet traveled by the vehicle, of his intention to change lanes.
2. Upon a roadway which is divided into three lanes, a vehicle
shall not be driven in the center lane except when overtaking and
passing another vehicle where the roadway is clearly visible and such
center lane is clear of traffic within a safe distance, or in
preparation for a left turn or where such center lane is at the time
allocated exclusively to traffic moving in the direction the vehicle
is proceeding and is signposted to give notice of such allocation.
3. Upon a roadway which is divided into four or more lanes, a
vehicle proceeding at less than the maximum posted speed, except when
reduced speed is necessary for safe operation, shall not impede the
normal flow of traffic by driving in the left lane. Such vehicle
shall be driven in the right-hand lane except when overtaking and
passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when
preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road
or driveway.
4. Official signs may be erected directing slow-moving traffic
to use a designated lane or designating those lanes to be used by
traffic moving in a particular direction regardless of the center of
the roadway and drivers of vehicles shall obey the directions of
every such sign.

I see this idiot driving down Shields regularly and have always wanted to snap a pic to share but have never been able to get behind him at a stop light..... Well this morning the idiot went flying by me and then cut in front of me, without using a turn signal, as we were coming up to a light turning red.

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Now every time I see this Massengil product on Shields he is speeding and swerving through traffic without using a turn signal, and treating the roads as if they are his own personal race track. Yet he feels the need to post the state law for how to drive on our highways legally??? A law which I'm pretty sure he interprets as meaning he can drive in the left lane as fast as he feels like despite the law stating it is a passing lane..... Not a speeding lane.

There's a guy in a red Hyundai Touring that drives like a bat out of hell on my route on the way home. I started leaving work five minutes early or late to avoid this A-hole. He has multiple scrapes on his car from (what I am assuming are) hit and runs. He has also rear ended me and side-swiped me multiple times. He has gone so far as to drive into oncoming traffic to pass people who were going slower. If you are in front of him, regardless of what speed you are going, he will flash his lights at you, flip you off and cut you off to get around you. I have never been so mad at an individual who I have no idea who they are in my life. He is putting other people's lives in danger for seemingly, no reason. He gets two car lengths up in front of you at a light and that is about it. Honestly, if I were to see him get in a wreck and the other person was not hurt, I would pull over and laugh at him.

He needs to read that entire section of the law:

I'd feel pretty comfortable in saying he only cares about the part that clears a path for him to break every other traffic law.

There's a guy in a red Hyundai Touring that drives like a bat out of hell on my route on the way home. I started leaving work five minutes early or late to avoid this A-hole. He has multiple scrapes on his car from (what I am assuming are) hit and runs. He has also rear ended me and side-swiped me multiple times. He has gone so far as to drive into oncoming traffic to pass people who were going slower. If you are in front of him, regardless of what speed you are going, he will flash his lights at you, flip you off and cut you off to get around you. I have never been so mad at an individual who I have no idea who they are in my life. He is putting other people's lives in danger for seemingly, no reason. He gets two car lengths up in front of you at a light and that is about it. Honestly, if I were to see him get in a wreck and the other person was not hurt, I would pull over and laugh at him.

Next time you see it call 911 and report a driver driving erratically and recklessly.

There's a guy in a red Hyundai Touring that drives like a bat out of hell on my route on the way home. I started leaving work five minutes early or late to avoid this A-hole. He has multiple scrapes on his car from (what I am assuming are) hit and runs. He has also rear ended me and side-swiped me multiple times. He has gone so far as to drive into oncoming traffic to pass people who were going slower. If you are in front of him, regardless of what speed you are going, he will flash his lights at you, flip you off and cut you off to get around you. I have never been so mad at an individual who I have no idea who they are in my life. He is putting other people's lives in danger for seemingly, no reason. He gets two car lengths up in front of you at a light and that is about it. Honestly, if I were to see him get in a wreck and the other person was not hurt, I would pull over and laugh at him.

What did the police do to him when he did this to you ?

He needs to read that entire section of the law:


47-11-309.

Whenever any roadway has been divided into two or more clearly
marked lanes for traffic, the following rules in addition to all
others consistent herewith shall apply.
1. A vehicle shall be driven as nearly as practicable entirely
within a single lane and shall not be moved from the lane until the
driver has first ascertained that the movement can be made with
safety and then given a signal, not less than the last one hundred
(100) feet traveled by the vehicle, of his intention to change lanes.
2. Upon a roadway which is divided into three lanes, a vehicle
shall not be driven in the center lane except when overtaking and
passing another vehicle where the roadway is clearly visible and such
center lane is clear of traffic within a safe distance, or in
preparation for a left turn or where such center lane is at the time
allocated exclusively to traffic moving in the direction the vehicle
is proceeding and is signposted to give notice of such allocation.
3. Upon a roadway which is divided into four or more lanes, a
vehicle proceeding at less than the maximum posted speed, except when
reduced speed is necessary for safe operation, shall not impede the
normal flow of traffic by driving in the left lane. Such vehicle
shall be driven in the right-hand lane except when overtaking and
passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when
preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road
or driveway.
4. Official signs may be erected directing slow-moving traffic
to use a designated lane or designating those lanes to be used by
traffic moving in a particular direction regardless of the center of
the roadway and drivers of vehicles shall obey the directions of
every such sign.

I may have been mistaken all of these years in thinking that the above statues only apply to highways and interstates because the very nature of surface streets requires the use of all available lanes as needed. No distinction is made between the two, as written above. On the highways, I try to stay out of the left lane except when I'm passing, but when on surface streets, I use what ever lane I'm comfortable in, and is needed at the time.

I may have been mistaken all of these years in thinking that the above statues only apply to highways and interstates because the very nature of surface streets requires the use of all available lanes as needed. No distinction is made between the two, as written above. On the highways, I try to stay out of the left lane except when I'm passing, but when on surface streets, I use what ever lane I'm comfortable in, and is needed at the time.

I'm pretty sure it only applies to highways. I've never seen a sign on a city street advising drivers to stay in the right lane and only pass in the left.

There's a guy in a red Hyundai Touring that drives like a bat out of hell on my route on the way home. I started leaving work five minutes early or late to avoid this A-hole. He has multiple scrapes on his car from (what I am assuming are) hit and runs. He has also rear ended me and side-swiped me multiple times. He has gone so far as to drive into oncoming traffic to pass people who were going slower. If you are in front of him, regardless of what speed you are going, he will flash his lights at you, flip you off and cut you off to get around you. I have never been so mad at an individual who I have no idea who they are in my life. He is putting other people's lives in danger for seemingly, no reason. He gets two car lengths up in front of you at a light and that is about it. Honestly, if I were to see him get in a wreck and the other person was not hurt, I would pull over and laugh at him.

Haha. I'm coming back into OKC for a week in September. Give me the time and location of where this dude usually is and I'll have some fun.

In reply to BBQ Eaters post from this morning. Yes, there are lots of people out there that think the left lane laws mean that the fastest drivers get the lane and everyone else has to get out of their way. I posted this on Miata board recently:

"Three lane divided highway. Speed limit 60. All three lanes have a car every 500 feet or so. Right lane going about 60. Center lane going 60 to 65. Left lane going about 70. One or two cars come up wanting to do 80 to 90 but the left lane drivers aren't moving over for them. Who's wrong?"

I got ripped a new one. I lost count of the number of people that responded that the drivers in the left lane not letting the extemely fast drivers by were "self-righteous a-holes", "who made you Road God", "entitled jerks" and worse. They obviously think the left lane must be left open for the personal use of fastest driver on the road.

"The left lane is the passing lane" isn't even what that section of the law says.


3. Upon a roadway which is divided into four or more lanes, a
vehicle proceeding at less than the maximum posted speed, except when
reduced speed is necessary for safe operation, shall not impede the
normal flow of traffic by driving in the left lane. Such vehicle
shall be driven in the right-hand lane except when overtaking and
passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when
preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road
or driveway.

All that is saying is don't go 45 in the left lane when road conditions are good and the speed limit is 60. If you are going 60 in a 60, be as left as you like.

What did the police do to him when he did this to you ?

I typed this on my phone and for some reason it autocorrected almost to also. not sure why.

Next time you see it call 911 and report a driver driving erratically and recklessly.

I have and my coworker (who drives the same way home) did as well. I avoid him like the plague, leave early or late to avoid him.

Haha. I'm coming back into OKC for a week in September. Give me the time and location of where this dude usually is and I'll have some fun.

At 5:00pm south bound on Portland from 63rd through Expressway. The guy drives all the way to NW 23rd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oqfodY2Lz0

In reply to BBQ Eaters post from this morning. Yes, there are lots of people out there that think the left lane laws mean that the fastest drivers get the lane and everyone else has to get out of their way.

Yep.... Ever notice how many people refer to it as the "Fast Lane" rather than "Passing Lane".

I do have to share a feel good story.... Was coming home from Ardmore over the weekend and this rather, loud and obnoxious Chevy pickup passes me at the bridge over the river in Norman doing about 20 MPH over the speed limit in a work zone and driving aggressively. I knew there was a state trooper a bit ahead of me and I thought to myself "I sure hope that idiot gets to meet that nice state trooper."..... A couple of miles later I see flashing lights and a red Chevy pulled over on the side of the road.... I hope that trooper hammered him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oqfodY2Lz0That video was posted in the Miata forum thread I mentioned earlier. It's funny to me that while our society has created huge movements against bullying in schools and workplaces we're supposed to give in to essentially the same thing on the roadway. "Let the guy who wants to fly by everyone have his way or he might get pissed". That's just not the way it's supposed to work.

That video was posted in the Miata forum thread I mentioned earlier. It's funny to me that while our society has created huge movements against bullying in schools and workplaces we're supposed to give in to essentially the same thing on the roadway. "Let the guy who wants to fly by everyone have his way or he might get pissed". That's just not the way it's supposed to work.

I don't think the video is saying to let the bully speed by. I don't think it's saying that at all. What I see it saying is to be courteous. Pass and then get back into the right lane to leave the passing lane open for others. Some people take it as a personal offense that someone wants to pass them or that someone is driving faster than them. I'm not a particularly fast driver most of the time. I try to conserve my gas. I drive in the right lane unless I'm passing. If someone passes me, it doesn't bother me. If the speed limit is 70 and they're doing 75 or 80, it's not my job to drive 69 in the passing lane to make sure that no one goes over the speed limit.

I'm currently trying to teach my son that the left hand lane is for passing only and not to camp out in the left lane.

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This is exactly right. An overarching goal for me on the road is to not require other drivers to account for me. This means when I turn in front of you or pull into a roadway in your lane of travel I should time it in such a way that you should not have to tap your brakes or even ease up on the accelerator. When I change lanes in front of you I should be going faster than you OR should be far enough ahead that you don't have to slow down. When I am on the highway, your speed is none of my business. If I need to get around slower traffic in front of me, my job is to check to see who is coming up behind me, gauge their speed, and then make my move ONLY if it doesn't slow them down. This can involve me punching it to attain their speed long enough to make my own move, OR just be a function of doing it well before they reach me. Either way, my job is also to get back over as soon as it is safely possible to do so. Oh, and by the way it is also my job to signal my intentions.

If EVERYONE followed those rules, road rage would disappear entirely and we would all get to our destinations more quickly and more safely, no matter our relative speeds. It shouldn't be about ego, or even so much about the law. Your speed is between you and law enforcement, as far as I am concerned, so long as you are not overdriving conditions to the point where it creates a hazard for me or others. No, it should be about efficiency, smoothness of the overall operation, and yes, courtesy for other drivers.

An overarching goal for me on the road is to not require other drivers to account for me. This means when I turn in front of you or pull into a roadway in your lane of travel I should time it in such a way that you should not have to tap your brakes or even ease up on the accelerator. When I change lanes in front of you I should be going faster than you OR should be far enough ahead that you don't have to slow down.

I'm thinking we should get driver's ed back in schools, because this is PRECISELY what was drilled into me. "If you make a turn and traffic has to slow down, you made a bad turn". "If you change lanes to pass someone, you change back when you can see them in your rear view mirror."

One of the main reasons I am a fan of self-driving cars (something we won't see take over the roads in my lifetime, I fear) is so many people simply DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DRIVE. They feel they have a right (a notion belied if they just read the damn driving manual), but don't feel that anyone else has that same 'right'.

If you have to make a turn, and the traffic behind you has to slow down, then they're following to close. Everyone has to slow down to make a turn, so if the traffic following would leave a little more space, the slow down will be minimal. I try not to tail gate anyway, but when someone puts on their turn signal, all I have to do is let off the accelerator and coast, the person makes their turn and I continue on without ever touching my brakes.



A world with totally self driving cars is a long ways off, but here's one solution.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHzzSao6ypE

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This is exactly right. An overarching goal for me on the road is to not require other drivers to account for me. This means when I turn in front of you or pull into a roadway in your lane of travel I should time it in such a way that you should not have to tap your brakes or even ease up on the accelerator. When I change lanes in front of you I should be going faster than you OR should be far enough ahead that you don't have to slow down. When I am on the highway, your speed is none of my business. If I need to get around slower traffic in front of me, my job is to check to see who is coming up behind me, gauge their speed, and then make my move ONLY if it doesn't slow them down. This can involve me punching it to attain their speed long enough to make my own move, OR just be a function of doing it well before they reach me. Either way, my job is also to get back over as soon as it is safely possible to do so. Oh, and by the way it is also my job to signal my intentions.

If EVERYONE followed those rules, road rage would disappear entirely and we would all get to our destinations more quickly and more safely, no matter our relative speeds. It shouldn't be about ego, or even so much about the law. Your speed is between you and law enforcement, as far as I am concerned, so long as you are not overdriving conditions to the point where it creates a hazard for me or others. No, it should be about efficiency, smoothness of the overall operation, and yes, courtesy for other drivers.
This guy knows what I'm talking about.



I'm thinking we should get driver's ed back in schools, because this is PRECISELY what was drilled into me. "If you make a turn and traffic has to slow down, you made a bad turn". "If you change lanes to pass someone, you change back when you can see them in your rear view mirror."

One of the main reasons I am a fan of self-driving cars (something we won't see take over the roads in my lifetime, I fear) is so many people simply DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DRIVE. They feel they have a right (a notion belied if they just read the damn driving manual), but don't feel that anyone else has that same 'right'.
My son took driver's ed with Merkley's. It was a couple of times in class and then about 3 drive times. When I was in high school driver's ed was an entire semester. By not having driver's ed in school the kids aren't getting enough practice time and experience. My son has a problem with being aware of his surroundings and paying attention to what's going on around him.

My son took driver's ed with Merkley's. It was a couple of times in class and then about 3 drive times. When I was in high school driver's ed was an entire semester. By not having driver's ed in school the kids aren't getting enough practice time and experience. My son has a problem with being aware of his surroundings and paying attention to what's going on around him.

My son is going through driving school now. Yes, they only drive 3 times, but they told us they expected him to be practicing between those three times, and to have about 50 hours of experience before the 3rd lesson (and in fact is required for those under 18 to get their license).

If you have to make a turn, and the traffic behind you has to slow down, then they're following to close.

I was responding to "when I turn in front of you or pull into a roadway in your lane of travel I should time it in such a way that you should not have to tap your brakes or even ease up on the accelerator". The teacher was referring to the traffic with which you are merging, not the people behind you. He was basically saying don't pull out in front of people.

I was responding to "when I turn in front of you or pull into a roadway in your lane of travel I should time it in such a way that you should not have to tap your brakes or even ease up on the accelerator". The teacher was referring to the traffic with which you are merging, not the people behind you. He was basically saying don't pull out in front of people.

Ditto. I got the same lecture when it came to getting onto the highway.

I've often thought that people should be required to retake their driving test every 10 years from 16-65. Then every five years from 65-80. Then every year until, well... you know.

Stile99, I hear you. Just responding in general. I agree with you. The drivers ed taught today is nothing like what I had in high school. My daughter has been driving for a little over a year, and it was amazing how easily she was allowed to breeze through it. She does very well though. I worked with her early on though, letting her drive on our acreage and back roads when she was in her early teens, teaching her acceleration, emergency braking and steering, reversing and turn arounds, parking etc. We even tried pulling and backing a trailer, but she wasn't and still isn't ready for that.