What is so hard to figure out I listed the 8 games he played. He was great the first 2 against bad teams. He was average at best closer to bad the rest of the year.


And yeah he was good in the spring. He had good scholarship receivers against walkons.

The final stats speak for themselves. The award speaks for itself. OU's scholarship and his leading the Scout Team in '14 speaks for itself.

Do you know something that the Big 12 doesn't? That Stoops doesn't know?

Your claim: a "bad" season. The Big 12: Offensive Freshman Player of the Year.

About that Spring Game, you keep talking about passing against walk-on DBs. Where's your source for that?

ESPN evaluation of the Spring Game: Spring game review: Oklahoma Sooners - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/82637/spring-game-review-oklahoma)

Best offensive performance: Baker Mayfield (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/550373/baker-mayfield) stole the show, completing 9 of 9 pass attempts for 125 yards and two touchdowns. The former Texas Tech quarterback, who transferred to OU in January after earning Big 12 offensive freshman of the year honors last season, is ineligible for the 2014 season. Nonetheless, Mayfield outshined Knight, the Sooners’ projected starter this fall, with his flawless outing. Mayfield has Big 12 game experience, and it showed throughout the spring game. He’ll spend this fall giving OU’s defense fits while leading the scout team.

You are OKC's drive-by poster who is so often proved wrong. Who are we to believe BoulderSooner or the awards and the status he has going into 2014?

He is a walk on he is not getting a scholarship.

And I watched the spring game you are free to do so

Again why don't you talk about the numbers

He is a walk on he is not getting a scholarship.

And I watched the spring game you are free to do so

Again why don't you talk about the numbers

Yes, he left Tech and walked-on at OU. ESPN says he had several in-the-bag offers at big time schools, but he wanted to play at OU. He's a walk-on who is getting a scholarship. Do you really not believe that? According to ESPN he's already been designated the Scout Team QB. He's ineligible to play in any games in 2014 - but do you REALLY believe he's not getting a scholarship at OU?

Why don't I "talk about the numbers"? I listed the 2013 numbers. Why won't you talk about the award from the Big 12 after his "bad" season?

edit - I just read where Mayfield threw against the second-team defense at the SG - which at most schools is a first-team, do you doubt that?

I'm through. Really. An award like that, numbers like that - some complications in other games true - but so did Trevor. The totality is overwhelming that he's a great addition at OU.

No one really knows how good Mayfield is in my opinion, but he definitely struggled once Tech's competition ramped up. Also, spring game performances are notoriously unreliable. Does this mean that Mayfield is bad and will never start? No, but I'm skeptical that he ever wins the job. He obviously lost his job at Tech and OU has two pretty highly touted younger guys coming after Knight. I think it's more likely that either Thomas or Hansen wins the job in the future, but we'll see.

Yes, he left Tech and walked-on at OU. ESPN says he had several in-the-bag offers at big time schools, but he wanted to play at OU. He's a walk-on who is getting a scholarship. Do you really not believe that? According to ESPN he's already been designated the Scout Team QB. He's ineligible to play in any games in 2014 - but do you REALLY believe he's not getting a scholarship at OU?

Why don't I "talk about the numbers"? I listed the 2013 numbers. Why won't you talk about the award from the Big 12 after his "bad" season?

edit - I just read where Mayfield threw against the second-team defense at the SG - which at most schools is a first-team, do you doubt that?

I'm through. Really. An award like that, numbers like that - some complications in other games true - but so did Trevor. The totality is overwhelming that he's a great addition at OU.

2nd team d in name only. The top 3 S and top 3 corner were all playing with the 1's. (Thomas Byrd Hayes Sanchez Wilson Johnson Taylor and Dakota Austin didn't play a snap with the second Team. )

And he is not getting a scholarship. He showed up at OU uninvited. Stoops met him at the first team meeting of the winter as a walk on. Do we want him sure he is a good walk on. Is he getting a scholarship. No

If he sticks with the program I suspect he'll get a scholarship after this season.

If he sticks with the program I suspect he'll get a scholarship after this season.

Historically he only walk one that get scholarships under stoop. Either paly a real role before hand (ie start)or are seniors and we end up with non used ships during hat year

Historically he only walk one that get scholarships under stoop. Either paly a real role before hand (ie start)or are seniors and we end up with non used ships during hat year

Could you translate that from Boulderspeak to English?

Historically he only walk one that get scholarships under stoop. Either paly a real role before hand (ie start)or are seniors and we end up with non used ships during hat year

He's not a normal walk-on. He's already started at QB at Big 12 conference foe. Worst case, he provides a decent backup. He'll likely get a scholly offer after this year if he decides to stay at OU.

Historically he only walk one that get scholarships under stoop. Either paly a real role before hand (ie start)or are seniors and we end up with non used ships during hat year

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It's not a matter of "true" or "untrue" as to what they think. We're just voicing opinions. I do KNOW the coaches are very excited about him. I wish Mayfield was eligible this year, but Stoops making him an integral part of the team, even without eligibility, is a good sign for the future. Baker Mayfield has put up freak numbers in high school and college. I expect he will be another great OU quarterback.

It's going to be a luxury for Oklahoma to have an insurance quarterback like Baker Mayfield (6 foot-2, 220 lb., sophomore), who becomes eligible for 2015-16. If his performance in the Spring Game is a token of things to come; Mayfield's early stage confidence may be ready to bloom.


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06 Baker Mayfield, OU Spring game

Mayfield looks like a slightly smaller version of Blake Bell. Bell (6 foot-6, 252) moves to tight end where his height could cause some teams--matchup problems.

Mayfield left Texas Tech amid reports that there was a breakdown in communications with the Tech coaches and he wants a fresh start somewhere else.

He (Baker) likes the system OU runs and the protection (offensive line) seems better at OU than at TTU. This will give us options to look at when playing teams like BU, KSU, OSU & TU who come at you with good multiple defensive sets.


By integral you mean 4th string qb. And other than his first 2 starts against SMU and SFA. He was average at best last year. Closer to bad

It is likely that he never takes a game snap at OU

His 2015 debut will tell us more... I don't recall any quarterbacks at OU who didn't get an opportunity to take snaps especially when the game is out of reach. Baker Mayfield has impressed upon me with his willingness to switch schools and sit out a year to play for Oklahoma. Some might say he's cocky; but to me it seems more like inner confidence.


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Please list the walk ons not named p fletcher that have taken snaps under stoops

He's not a normal walk-on. He's already started at QB at Big 12 conference foe. Worst case, he provides a decent backup. He'll likely get a scholly offer after this year if he decides to stay at OU.

He wasn't recruited. He wasn't asked to come to OU. We are trying to sign a qb in this recruiting class (giving us 4 next fall). He is not getting a scholarship next year

He wasn't recruited. He wasn't asked to come to OU. We are trying to sign a qb in this recruiting class (giving us 4 next fall). He is not getting a scholarship next year

Okay. We'll see. I think you're wrong. There's a decent chance OU doesn't even sign a 2015 QB. They missed on all their targets and today offered two 2016 QBs. It's the earliest they've offered QBs under Stoops.

Okay. We'll see. I think you're wrong. There's a decent chance OU doesn't even sign a 2015 QB. They missed on all their targets and today offered two 2016 QBs. It's the earliest they've offered QBs under Stoops.

Still several targets out there

LOL Boulderspeak

LOL Boulderspeak

Laugh it up. :)

Oklahoma's Bob Stoops getting new contract; new $5M man? - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jeremy-fowler/24596043/ous-bob-stoops-getting-new-contract-new-5m-man-)

An enhanced contract for Oklahoma's Bob Stoops will go before the school's board of regents Wednesday, pushing the Sooners coach closer to the top of highest-paid coaches, CBSSports.com has learned.

Still several targets out there

According to Hale KREF ….OU will not be signing a new QB in the next class but just offered 2 QB’s for the 2016 class….

Stash this for the OU Football 2025 thread

Oklahoma to Play Michigan in 2025, 2026 - Oklahoma Sooners (http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=209577164)

Very cool!

I try to go to one big road game ever couple of years and would love to see a game in Ann Arbor.

I had great trips to Oregon and Notre Dame and may go to Tennessee.

Lots of great opponents coming up; had forgotten about Ohio State and Army. I've heard West Point is very cool.

Year Opponent
2014 Tennessee
2015 at Tennessee
2016 Ohio State
2017 at Ohio State
2018 UCLA
2018 Army
2019 at UCLA
2020 at Army
2021 Nebraska
2022 at Nebraska
2025 Michigan
2026 at Michigan
TBA LSU
TBA at LSU

The at Army game is to be played at Yankee Stadium, I think.

Edit: I'm wrong

If anyone is curious what dates have been set and that sort of thing, check out soonerstats.com. There is a football tab and if you click on future seasons, it will show you what they have so far.

Stoops really ripped Saban here; glad to see it. Saban and the SEC's superiority complex is sickening.

Oklahoma Sooners' Bob Stoops bashes Nick Saban's 'consolation' remark - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11254478/oklahoma-sooners-bob-stoops-bashes-nick-saban-consolation-remark)

Bob Stoops has not only gotten into Saban head, but under his skin. Way to go Bob, play the mental-psych game; because when you keep the leader in doubt and second guessing--you erode his confidence which causes the dominoes to fall--as the game progressed, it was obvious that it became contagious. Eric Striker did it to Cyrus Kouandjio, he outmaneuvered him to disrupt Alabama quarterback A.J. McCarron's rhythm.

The SEC's impressive record speaks for itself with the number of National Championships that conference has won in the last nine years. What did OU have to lose? Sooners were a two touchdown underdog to the Crimson Tide; however the tide changed. A two-touchdown Sugar Bowl win over Alabama who many thought should have been in that National Championship game against Florida State.

Bob Stoops knows that mega egos like that of Saban can be challenged. Love Stoops' philosophy about excuses; he held Saban's feet to the fire.

Former members Texas A & M and Missouri's addition to the SEC was a sample of the Big 12's strength.

Bob Stoops snaps at Nick Saban:

"They didn't look like it was a consolation game on that first drive when they scored a touchdown and everyone thought they were going to rout us," the Oklahoma coach said. "I've been in plenty of those [non-national title games]. We've played in a bunch of national championship games, right? ... That's a good one.
Oklahoma Sooners' Bob Stoops bashes Nick Saban's 'consolation' remark - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11254478/oklahoma-sooners-bob-stoops-bashes-nick-saban-consolation-remark)


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Saban's not the only one showing signs of being a teensy bit unhinged after the Sugar Bowl:

Sorry, Bob Stoops, but Nick Saban's contract makes the Sugar Bowl an exhibition game | AL.com (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2014/07/sorry_bob_stoops_but_nick_saba.html)

Saban's not the only one showing signs of being a teensy bit unhinged after the Sugar Bowl:

Sorry, Bob Stoops, but Nick Saban's contract makes the Sugar Bowl an exhibition game | AL.com (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2014/07/sorry_bob_stoops_but_nick_saba.html)

There are honestly so many things wrong with that article, I don't know where to begin.

I think the entire concept of coaching compensation packages that include big financial incentives for this or that bowl game, conference title, national title, etc. is completely wrong and should be banned. Of course, it's all about $$$$ now in college football and they would laugh at that suggestion. The whole compensation strategy, with those "incentives," is one big temptation. Too much for most human beings to deal with. Student athletes? The college game needs a major overhaul so we can bring the whole rotten business into the open and quit pretending that grades (for example) have anything to do with it.

There are honestly so many things wrong with that article, I don't know where to begin.

Agree!

That pales in comparison to your typical Mother Goose rhymes; All the King's Horses and All the King's Men...

If that were the case, Saban should have kept his hips at home...

No coach gets a pass for his team getting outplayed; flipped on their backs with their legs up in the air and hog tied to a stripper's pole.


Do the math and don't forget to add LSU 21, Oklahoma 14 in 2003's national championship extravaganza.

Yes, do the math. LSU had the luxury of playing Oklahoma in their own back yard, New Orleans. Did Bob Stoops make any excuses? Alabama just got cobbed.


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Sports radio is reporting on a possible aggravated assault(no charges-yet) involving OU FB player. Allegedly happened at 2:30 am this morning on Campus Corner.

Sports radio is reporting on a possible aggravated assault(no charges-yet) involving OU FB player. Allegedly happened at 2:30 am this morning on Campus Corner.

It's Joe Mixon, the 5 star Freshman RB

Man oh man

Is having a football program worth the violence against women?

This is far more serious than I realized. The young lady says she has four broken bones in her face. Police report says, "apparent broken bones." This is too bad. If it is as she says, he's gone. With Strong down in Texas kicking people off the team almost every day for this kind of thing, no way can Stoops keep Joe Mixon if he assaulted this girl as reported. (The last two words being key.)

Is having a football program worth the violence against women?

What a total non sequitur.

Here's a quote (http://articles.latimes.com/1992-02-02/sports/sp-2041_1_nigel-clay) from Nigel Clay, former OU football player and rapist:

"I don't know how to say it, but, bottom line, I just felt that sometimes, walking around . . . Well, speaking for myself and a lot of other people, we felt like we were above the law," he said, "like OU would protect us from anything."
Seems like a high price to pay for winning at sports, to have lawlessness and violence against women.

The Joe Mixon sequel will work its way through the due process system. Unfortunate that some of these guys come on campus and think that they are above the law.


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I'm certainly no Longhorn fan, but I've been extremely impressed with the no-nonsense attitude Charlie Strong has brought to Texas. Watching him the other day talk about how he's not going to deal with that crap and if the message gets across that he won't put up with it, the less of a problem it will be down the road. It makes sense and frankly, it takes a Charlie Strong to do that. It's just one of those realities in today's society that Bob Stoops would have a harder time kicking them off left and right like Strong is doing because he woild be accused of racial profiling or some such thing.


edit -
from Houston Chronicle

He expects his players to honor the five core values of his program, which he lists as honesty, treating women with respect, no drugs, no stealing and no guns.

"They break a core value, they're telling me they don't want to be a part of the program," Strong said.

Doing the right thing

Strong's strict approach has not only the support of athletic department officials and boosters but also the leaders in his locker room. Senior Quandre Diggs, a preseason All-Big 12 defensive back and one of the team's best players, said this week he would help Strong "weed guys out" if they weren't serious about their commitment to the program and its standards.

"No negotiating," Diggs said. "That's the way it should be."

That said, Strong doesn't view a lack of discipline as a widespread problem at UT. "Guys want to do right," Strong said. "You just have to lead them the right way."

Here's a quote (http://articles.latimes.com/1992-02-02/sports/sp-2041_1_nigel-clay) from Nigel Clay, former OU football player and rapist:

Seems like a high price to pay for winning at sports, to have lawlessness and violence against women.

And Nigel's ass didn't last a year.......FWIW

Listening to the callers today on the Sports Animal about Mixon, trying to defend his breaking bones in the woman's face. It is a sad state our society is in.

Listening to the callers today on the Sports Animal about Mixon, trying to defend his breaking bones in the woman's face. It is a sad state our society is in.

She is a druggie with 4 arrests THIS YEAR. I don't know what happened in this situation, but what if she deserved it? If she was RELENTLESSLY in his face and striking him, and he tried continuously to restrain her to no avail, she 100% DESERVED to get knocked the F out.

Again, I don't know what happened, but we are looking at an obviously horrible woman with a horrible reputation. His lawyer has stated it was self defense, so I'm leaning towards "she had it coming".

I think it is complete BS this "NEVER hit a woman" garbage. I'm sorry, if some 230 pound trailer park trash chick is coming at me (raging with hormones) swinging, we are throwing down. Women can go crazy during fights (pulling hair, eye gauging, weapons...).

For everybody about to rail into me, I'm not saying bullying or spousal abuse is okay. Those "men" deserve to die.

Let's all take a breath.. We'll know the facts soon enough. I have confidence President Boren, A.D. Castiglione and Coach Stoops will do the right thing when apprised of all the facts.

She is a druggie with 4 arrests THIS YEAR. I don't know what happened in this situation, but what if she deserved it? If she was RELENTLESSLY in his face and striking him, and he tried continuously to restrain her to no avail, she 100% DESERVED to get knocked the F out.

Again, I don't know what happened, but we are looking at an obviously horrible woman with a horrible reputation. His lawyer has stated it was self defense, so I'm leaning towards "she had it coming".

I think it is complete BS this "NEVER hit a woman" garbage. I'm sorry, if some 230 pound trailer park trash chick is coming at me (raging with hormones) swinging, we are throwing down. Women can go crazy during fights (pulling hair, eye gauging, weapons...).
For everybody about to rail into me, I'm not saying bullying or spousal abuse is okay. Those "men" deserve to die.

I had this happen to me over on 10th street when I was 15 years old, back in 1968. All because I wouldn't sell her 12 year old son a pack of cigarettes and she had to get off her fat ass and come buy them herself. I stood up to her, but if she'd thrown a punch, I would have knocked her into tomorrow.

Let's all take a breath.. We'll know the facts soon enough. I have confidence President Boren, A.D. Castiglione and Coach Stoops will do the right thing when apprised of all the facts.

Agree!

We all have some Canterbury Tales of tough tattooed women:

I recall an incident in which I was attacked by a huge diesel truck driver looking woman. She was more than I could handle; however, I had to do what was necessary to get this boar of a woman off me.

This situation needs to go through fact finding and due process. Each case should be judged on its individual merits; it's unfortunate what happen to this young lady. My confidence is in OU's leadership that they will do a thorough investigation of this incident.


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She is a druggie with 4 arrests THIS YEAR.

Where did you get this info?

Anyone know when we may start seeing more about the stadium renovations? Mossman had said some videos will be released showing more details of the changes within the stadium, but that was the last I heard.

She is a druggie with 4 arrests THIS YEAR. I don't know what happened in this situation, but what if she deserved it? If she was RELENTLESSLY in his face and striking him, and he tried continuously to restrain her to no avail, she 100% DESERVED to get knocked the F out.

Again, I don't know what happened, but we are looking at an obviously horrible woman with a horrible reputation. His lawyer has stated it was self defense, so I'm leaning towards "she had it coming".

I think it is complete BS this "NEVER hit a woman" garbage. I'm sorry, if some 230 pound trailer park trash chick is coming at me (raging with hormones) swinging, we are throwing down. Women can go crazy during fights (pulling hair, eye gauging, weapons...).

For everybody about to rail into me, I'm not saying bullying or spousal abuse is okay. Those "men" deserve to die.

Are you one of the callers who called WWLS?

If it was self defense as his paid advocate maintains, why did he run and hideout all weekend? This is not typical behavior of one who is defending themselves from assault.

Anyone know when we may start seeing more about the stadium renovations? Mossman had said some videos will be released showing more details of the changes within the stadium, but that was the last I heard.

The final plans will come out this fall.

They plan to start immediately after the season ends in December.

Are you one of the callers who called WWLS?

If it was self defense as his paid advocate maintains, why did he run and hideout all weekend? This is not typical behavior of one who is defending themselves from assault.

I'm fairly certain he stayed in Headington Hall all weekend and the cops knew this. She is the one who ran back home to Texas. Is it because she has a bench warrant out?

How can someone with a broken face and jaw sit in a car for three hours and give an interview on the phone? Injuries of that nature would require immediate medical attention. Also, given the seriousness of the alleged charges, why has he not been arrested yet?

I really do not know all the facts here. Frankly nobody sounds like an angel here.

It's easy to rush to judgment when you haven't heard all the facts.

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Mixon should be afforded due process without the press hungry media's urgency to publish a storyline.


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It's easy to rush to judgment when you haven't heard all the facts.

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Mixon should be afforded due process without the press hungry media's urgency to publish a storyline.


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The disturbing part is the number of callers who said the woman deserved to have her face broken by a muscular athlete.

Where did you get this info?

Here's a couple. That information is not hard to find.

OCIS Case Summary for CM-2013-761- State of Oklahoma v. Molitor, Amelia Ray (Cleveland County District Courts) (http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2146718&db=Cleveland)

OCIS Case Summary for CF-2013-2028- State of Oklahoma v. Molitor, Amelia Ray (Cleveland County District Courts) (http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2163155&db=Cleveland)

The disturbing part is the number of callers who said the woman deserved to have her face broken by a muscular athlete.

No person (woman or man) deserves to have his/her face broken.

I've taught my daughter to never put herself in a man's place. My boys, I've taught them to walk away--as I was taught. Society should never condone the right for anyone to strike another. Women should never feel that they have a right to strike a man; you will never know the outcome because there are so many concerns (mental: emotionally disturbed) that people have today.

I was brought up with the belief that you don't hit a woman no matter what. 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...' Women should never feel that they have an entitlement to strike a male or another female without consequences.

You can only keep turning the other cheek before someone catches you off guard and you react in an undisciplined manner...


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Here's a couple. That information is not hard to find.

OCIS Case Summary for CM-2013-761- State of Oklahoma v. Molitor, Amelia Ray (Cleveland County District Courts) (http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2146718&db=Cleveland)

OCIS Case Summary for CF-2013-2028- State of Oklahoma v. Molitor, Amelia Ray (Cleveland County District Courts) (http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2163155&db=Cleveland)

Wow, possession of pot and paraphernalia, open container and possession of alcohol by a minor.

A college student who drinks underage and smokes pot. She’s quite the criminal queen there.

Wow, possession of pot and paraphernalia, open container and possession of alcohol by a minor.

A college student who drinks underage and smokes pot. She’s quite the criminal queen there.

I think where she crossed the line was on a probation violation. That's what got the warrant issued I believe...

Wow, possession of pot and paraphernalia, open container and possession of alcohol by a minor.

A college student who drinks underage and smokes pot. She’s quite the criminal queen there.


yes but most aren't stupid enough to get caught.

Only in a sports-crazed world do we make excuses for the athlete and blame the victim. Make the issue the victim's past. Old trick. Always wrong.

I'll be the one to say what, for some reason, is not allowed in much of our society. Even leaders of the African-American community agree there is a serious lack of respect for women. No, not all blacks, maybe not even Mixon, but it is a serious problem in the black community. 73% of children born to black women are born out of wedlock. 70% live without a father in the home. These are real statistics - not something to argue about or change the subject. The issue is respect for women. Period.

Part of that lack of respect is the huge number of assaults on women by young black men. It's a vicious cycle. One that you also see in poor, less educated white families. To turn this around and blame this young woman for getting her face hit and bones broken because she's had problems with drugs and alcohol as a college kid, is unconscionable.

I know I am considered a "lefty" on economic issues (for the most part - that's true), but for some reason, many of these cultural issues seem to fall on one side of the political equation, and that's wrong. There is a huge problem in America with crime in the AA community. It goes so deep that entire cities have been consumed by it. AA leaders all seem to agree more and more that beyond the economic divide there is a cultural cancer that can only be helped by vales as old as the ages - respect for life, respect for women, respect for property, respect for yourself. Let's not blame a college girl for getting bones broken in her face. To even attempt to justify that is contributing to the problem outlined above. Accountability begins with acknowledgement.

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Whoa! Where the HELL did this come from?

I think you really need to wait for the facts to come out before you start issuing some personal thesis (most of this is stereotypical bull**** and so far off its not funny, but you have a right to your opinion so whatever). Remember he hasn't even been charged with anything yet.

yes but most aren't stupid enough to get caught.

Brandon Everidge says "hi".

This thread has now blamed (1) the victim by going as far as to speculate that she "100% DESERVED to get knocked the F out" and then (2) sweepingly attributed this specific incident to the lack of respect for females by black males (with a general citation of support from "leaders of the African-American community")... all without knowing all the facts of the situation. Why speculate like this when a fuller picture of the incident will be available in a few days.

Violence against women is a serious problem in our society that needs to be addressed. However, the discussion here is not very helpful. Can we move the rampant speculation and oversimplification to some political thread or something?