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Pete
02-26-2014, 09:14 AM
Lots of recent speculation about this property, especially now the boulevard is being worked on in the immediate area.

Now, we find detailed renderings for a proposed project on this site:

BRICKTOWN
OKLAHOMA

5.6 Acres
103 Units / Acre
43 Story Tower
516 Tower Units
576 Total Units
300,300 Square Foot Tower
6000 Square Feet of Retail



http://www.humphreys.com/portfolio/bricktown-2/



http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/development-buildings/6970d1394637971-lumber-yard-lumberyard2.jpg

County Assessor Record (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R028820850)

Just the facts
02-26-2014, 09:20 AM
This area illustrated the major flaw in ODOTs boulevard design. Because of the elevated roadway and the depression under the railroad tracks there is only going to be one northern access point to all this land. ODOT should have made the overpass loop around east of the canal to bring it down to ground level BEFORE it crossed the canal. This would have provided street front at grade access all along this property. If residential is ever put here people on the north side will have a 'lovely' elevated expressway view.

Urbanized
02-26-2014, 09:22 AM
How do you bring it to ground level before it crosses the canal? Terminate the canal at Bass Pro and fill it in?

BoulderSooner
02-26-2014, 09:30 AM
This area illustrated the major flaw in ODOTs boulevard design. Because of the elevated roadway and the depression under the railroad tracks there is only going to be one northern access point to all this land. ODOT should have made the overpass loop around east of the canal to bring it down to ground level BEFORE it crossed the canal. This would have provided street front at grade access all along this property. If residential is ever put here people on the north side will have a 'lovely' elevated expressway view.

The north view from any of this property will be looking at the at grade blvd. it comes to grade right at the eastern edge of this lot

kevinpate
02-26-2014, 09:38 AM
... Terminate the canal at Bass Pro and fill it in?

Sounds a wee too much like a bad fillED proposal. I vote nay (if I could vote that is.)

Pete
02-26-2014, 09:41 AM
:backtotop

We have a long thread about the boulevard...

This one is about the Lumber Yard property.

Urbanized
02-26-2014, 09:56 AM
:backtotop

We have a long thread about the boulevard...

This one is about the Lumber Yard property.

Oops sorry. Hadn't seen your post.

Plutonic Panda
02-26-2014, 10:04 AM
:backtotop

We have a long thread about the boulevard...

This one is about the Lumber Yard property.just now saw that, sorry

AP
02-26-2014, 10:05 AM
Is there some proposal being talked about for this lot or was this just speculation?


I bet you guys a ridiculous amount of money, they have some serious interest in the lumber yard north of producers co op

Plutonic Panda
02-26-2014, 10:07 AM
What is being talked about? This place would be pretty cool for a 30-40 story tower

Pete
02-26-2014, 10:11 AM
Is there some proposal being talked about for this lot or was this just speculation?

Just speculation at this point but there has been chatter about this property possibly changing hands.

Not only would redevelopment help the boulevard, it would greatly enhance the value of the Producer's Co-op.

bchris02
02-26-2014, 10:31 AM
A few people have mentioned high-rise residential for this site. I would like to see that myself, but there is a couple of issues in my opinion.

A) I doubt property value there is high enough to support a residential tower being directly next to the Producers Co-op
B) OKC as a whole is still 5-10 years away from high-rise residential being viable in my opinion

BoomerThunder1
02-26-2014, 10:40 AM
Been under contract since last summer, with OKC mid rise. Tentative close date is September '14. Or so I'm told

shawnw
02-26-2014, 02:26 PM
I know zero about commercial real estate... is it normal for something to be on contract for more than a year before closing?

catch22
02-26-2014, 03:47 PM
I don't either, perhaps could be under contract to allow the lumbar yard business to find a new home and relocate before the close date.

Interesting if true.

bradh
02-26-2014, 08:16 PM
Why does it seem that everyone's answer for every property is "high rise residential?"

BoomerThunder1
02-26-2014, 08:41 PM
I don't either, perhaps could be under contract to allow the lumbar yard business to find a new home and relocate before the close date.

Interesting if true.

Yes exactly, like the old Wilson's foods place off of 15th between May and Agnew

jccouger
02-27-2014, 08:20 AM
I can't imagine anybody wanting to live right next door to the cotton mills smell

Bellaboo
02-27-2014, 08:22 AM
I can't imagine anybody wanting to live right next door to the cotton mills smell

Eventually, the Cotton Mill Co-op is moving to South Council in the old Dayton Tire plant. They bought it a few years back.

musg8411
02-27-2014, 08:54 AM
Eventually, the Cotton Mill Co-op is moving to South Council in the old Dayton Tire plant. They bought it a few years back.

Yeah, I am curious about this. They did a construction permit a few years ago, which they spent a lot of money on and I believe the last extension is expired or about to be. So I don't see them going anywhere anytime soon.

AP
02-27-2014, 11:37 AM
Why does it seem that everyone's answer for every property is "high rise residential?"

Yeah, I'd probably rather see mid-rise than anything.

Plutonic Panda
02-27-2014, 12:28 PM
I wouldn't. High-rise is better imo

OKCisOK4me
02-27-2014, 01:05 PM
Of course high rise is better PluPlan...it's just more feasible in the OKC market to do a midrise because the amount of available land doesn't warrant high rise residential. I would personally be satisfied with any kind of infill whether urban commercial or residential and if the latter, in the 4-6 story range.

Urbanized
02-27-2014, 01:27 PM
I wouldn't. High-rise is better imo

In what way?

warreng88
02-27-2014, 01:31 PM
I would think mid rise on this location butting up against the boulevard and then high rises on the site of the co-op. I am curious in how long it will take to clean the area of the lumber yard or the co-op once they are sold and town down. Would there be as much clean up as when the Stewart metal fabricators buildings were torn down?

Plutonic Panda
02-27-2014, 01:38 PM
In what way?For one, I personally think they look better and add more to the city. They expand the skyline which gives the city a better image. They house more people, which increase the tax revenue per square foot, and it also adds more to the street life in most cases. They are also usually built better than mid-rise stick technique.

Plutonic Panda
02-27-2014, 01:40 PM
Of course high rise is better PluPlan...it's just more feasible in the OKC market to do a midrise because the amount of available land doesn't warrant high rise residential. I would personally be satisfied with any kind of infill whether urban commercial or residential and if the latter, in the 4-6 story range.well, OKC is certainly getting close to being able to support one and when this is slated for ground breaking, I don't why one couldn't be supported.

dankrutka
02-27-2014, 03:48 PM
For one, I personally think they look better and add more to the city. They expand the skyline which gives the city a better image. They house more people, which increase the tax revenue per square foot, and it also adds more to the street life in most cases. They are also usually built better than mid-rise stick technique.

To address each point here: First, look better to who? People who live here and interact everyday or people who drive by OKC or just stop in on occasion? Again, is a better image accomplished just by having a high rise? Not sure that's really true. There are lots of high rises with poor layouts that add little to the surrounding area. And, the construction depends.

So, a wonderfully designed and executed highrise is probably similar to a midrise except that this area needs massive infill.... so, midrise seems more appropriate for this area IMHO.

Plutonic Panda
02-27-2014, 03:55 PM
They look better to both. The people that live and work here are an extremely small population in comparison to the rest of the city first of all, and the a city's skyline tell more to out of state travelers than most realize, esp. for a city like OKC.

So a better image, more people living on that parcel of land, better overall structure and likely longer lasting than todays stick built mid-rises... I think a high-rise would go well in this spot.

PWitty
02-27-2014, 03:59 PM
Saying that, "taller is better", is just a complete re-run of the Stage Center Tower thread.

Does a skyline look cool on a picture on the internet if the buildings are taller? Sure it does. But I can tell you right now that walking around NYC wasn't cool because all of the buildings where high-rises. It would have been just as cool if they were all mid-rises or low-rises. It was so cool because there was so much street level activity. Taller buildings =/= more street level activity. Nobody is going to move to a city just because it has a bunch of tall buildings, and I pity the person who does.

Plutonic Panda
02-27-2014, 04:07 PM
alright. I've given my opinion. I think high-rise is best for this site. If you want to keep building these mid-rises than that's fine, your opinion.

JoninATX
03-12-2014, 12:09 AM
43 story tower proposed for Bricktown

http://www.humphreys.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Bricktown-2.jpg

Bricktown - Humphreys & Partners Architects. L.P. - Humphreys & Partners Architects. L.P. (http://www.humphreys.com/portfolio/bricktown-2/)

Plutonic Panda
03-12-2014, 12:11 AM
I hope that is true. That would be awesome if so.

soonerguru
03-12-2014, 12:13 AM
43 story tower proposed for Bricktown



What is this? Residential? Pardon me but i'll believe it when I see it.

Plutonic Panda
03-12-2014, 12:14 AM
This would be really cool!

http://www.humphreys.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Bricktown-Aerial.jpg

BRICKTOWN
OKLAHOMA

5.6 Acres
103 Units / Acre
43 Story Tower
516 Tower Units
576 Total Units
300,300 Square Foot Tower
6000 Square Feet of Retail

soonerguru
03-12-2014, 12:15 AM
I agree it would be cool but it seems like a bit of an odd location for a residential tower. That said, there will be streetcar access, so maybe that's not much of a factor.

Plutonic Panda
03-12-2014, 12:16 AM
Why does this part say "BRICKTOWN, CANADA"?

Bricktown - Humphreys & Partners Architects. L.P. - Humphreys & Partners Architects. L.P. (http://www.humphreys.com/portfolio/bricktown/)

It clearly has an OKC skyline though

JoninATX
03-12-2014, 12:20 AM
Likely a Typo. But I'm rooting for you guys up there in OKC. Humphrey + Partners have done some infill projects around the DFW and College Station area. This project may still be very well in the planning stages. I'll keep a look out if any new information comes available.

Plutonic Panda
03-12-2014, 12:21 AM
Hopefully this completely legit and not an old proposal. How did you hear about this? Just browsing their website? They have some super awesome projects going on all over the place.

metro
03-12-2014, 12:24 AM
That would be sick! Let's hope it's more than just conceptual for "possibility" and instead an actual project on the boards.

JoninATX
03-12-2014, 12:24 AM
One of the users on Skyscraperpage.com posted it up in the OKC forum.

soonerguru
03-12-2014, 12:26 AM
Hopefully, if this is real, it is for-sale housing. My wife is ready.

Plutonic Panda
03-12-2014, 12:26 AM
Awesome! Like metro said, lets really hope this is underway and not just a concept put "out there". Thanks for sharing this!

JoninATX
03-12-2014, 12:28 AM
Any time.

Plutonic Panda
03-12-2014, 12:31 AM
We could use some of Austins luck ;)

JoninATX
03-12-2014, 12:38 AM
I'll be more than happy to give OKC some of Austin towers if I could. We have announcements nearly every week for a new hotel or high rise building. Don't worry OKC will have it's day. :)

Plutonic Panda
03-12-2014, 12:52 AM
I'm jealous man haha.... I go to Corpus about once every two years and pass through Austin, and when I do, I can just feel the energy in the air. It is awesome! I am actually planning a little trip this summer to drive to Austin and explore the city in depth. Very excited.

JoninATX
03-12-2014, 12:57 AM
Come on down, just let me know if you need any advice around the area.

catch22
03-12-2014, 01:21 AM
This fits in with what someone was saying about the Lumberyard-- saying it was under contract to someone who wants to build a residential tower....

PETE??!? Wake up!!

Plutonic Panda
03-12-2014, 01:36 AM
Come on down, just let me know if you need any advice around the area.Yeah most definitely man!

Plutonic Panda
03-12-2014, 01:36 AM
This fits in with what someone was saying about the Lumberyard-- saying it was under contract to someone who wants to build a residential tower....

PETE??!? Wake up!!and the development in Bricktown that will make Dallas and KC jealous.

UnFrSaKn
03-12-2014, 05:33 AM
SkyscraperPage Forum - View Single Post - OKLAHOMA CITY | Projects & Construction (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=6489885&postcount=334)

bchris02
03-12-2014, 07:17 AM
Austin is an example of why positive media attention and national recognition is so important. Nobody applies rural Texas stereotypes to Austin. I don't think Austin would be where it's at today if it wasn't for it being a media darling. This is why I say all the time it's not enough for OKC to be a "best kept secret" if this is ever to be a real boomtown.

Nonetheless, this skyscraper is very exciting if it actually comes to pass. It's a total gamechanger that will take downtown to the next level and lessen the sting over the loss of Stage Center and the disappointing tower proposed there. I am not going to get my hopes up until it is announced, but I've long said OKC was overdue for a development like this.

Urbanized
03-12-2014, 07:54 AM
I want to dig around on their site and see what percentage of stuff that they list in their portfolio has been brought to fruition. If it's high I would think it's a good sign. FWIW, apparently they are connected to the Park Harvey project, including at the very least the most recent changes. This could be a clue as to who might be involved locally in the Bricktown tower project: Park Harvey Tower - Humphreys & Partners Architects. L.P. - Humphreys & Partners Architects. L.P. (http://www.humphreys.com/portfolio/park-harvey-tower/)

Just the facts
03-12-2014, 08:05 AM
With people moving into this area what will this part of town be called now - North40? I hope we can stick to good neighborhood development practices while all this residential expansion is going on. By that I mean good neighborhoods need a defined center and edge. The new boulevard will make a good edge by serving as a corridor between Bricktown and whatever this part of town is going to be called. Somewhere in the Co-Op site should be a mixed-use commercial cluster that serves as the neighborhood center for this entire area. The City needs to make sure this happens.

Snowman
03-12-2014, 08:08 AM
So are we now going to call everything east of the tracks south to i40 Bricktown? It seems large enough to have it's own name and it would be nice if it was encouraged it be architecturally different. If that is the kind of density pastern that can be established it can certainly be a very different feel but also from the perspective retail, dining and other services available.

OKCisOK4me
03-12-2014, 08:17 AM
This would be really cool!



BRICKTOWN
OKLAHOMA

5.6 Acres
103 Units / Acre
43 Story Tower
516 Tower Units
576 Total Units
300,300 Square Foot Tower
6000 Square Feet of Retail

This is in the "Lumberyard" area that Pete was referring to last week. Could definitely go a long way in helping someone to purchase the oil seed mill site.

NWOKCGuy
03-12-2014, 08:18 AM
Yep. Isn't the Lumberyard site 5.6 acres and under contract with OKC Midrise? I'll have to dig up that thread.

David
03-12-2014, 08:29 AM
Oh wow, that would be a fantastic development. Here's hoping that it is more than just a proposal and a rendering.

AP
03-12-2014, 08:33 AM
Yep. Isn't the Lumberyard site 5.6 acres and under contract with OKC Midrise? I'll have to dig up that thread.

That's what someone mentioned. Which is a weird coincidence that we find a LLC called OKC Midrise that has been around since 2012, someone mentions they are in negotiations with the lumber company for this, and now there is this 'proposal' for a high rise on this lot.