This particular line just strikes me as hysterical considering all the political infighting about respecting gays, legalizing drugs and the notion that we should all respect hookers as victims. Based on what I'm seeing on the political forum, this guy is GOLDEN if you are liberal!! ;)

I know you were poking a little fun but I think you might be interested in this. Those liberals and leftists are not the lockstep caricature you think they (we?) are.

I know a very large number of progressives and moderates supporting Mayor Cornett - many of them going all out to work phones, place signs, make posts on social media, and even appear in television and print ads. Mayor Cornett has been such an effective mayor he has broad appeal regardless of political affiliation or philosophy. He is a decent man who has been an excellent leader and representative for OKC.

Additionally, I do not know very many progressive/liberal/left leaning people that want Shadid being the OKC standard bearer for that particular constituency. So don't think one can determine where a person falls on the left - right spectrum by the campaign sign in the front yard. You think I fall far left but guess whose sign I have and who I will be knocking on doors for this weekend?

ljbab, this guy has been sitting here for months now repeating the same thing over and over again doing nothing but spewing out this made up crap that is used only by people that want to spread lies and propaganda against Mick. It needs be said. It's one thing if you're going to give your opinion on something, but all this guy does is lie, I mean seriously! That post will likely get deleted, but I don't understand how Edgar has just sat here and spewed this crap over and over. When you look at his name and what he is responding to, you can almost pretty much predict what he is going to say or if you just read his post without looking at the user, you can already guarantee who it is.

BTW, this is coming from someone who isn't 100% opposed to Shadid and I've actually stuck up for Shadid a couple times as I believe Shadid really does want to do good for the city and isn't just trying to get in for power, but I don't think he would take us in the right direction and I think Mick is the best choice. I am also very intrigued by a previous posters idea for Mick to run for governor, I think he could do wonders for this state.

plupan, again I understand and can't disagree at all with your thoughts. It just really isn't appropriate, though, to make such a personal attack, even if the vast majority here agree with you, because things can be very obvious without being said.

I see our resident class/race-baiter decided to chime in. Calling Midtowner self-righteous? Do you even read your own posts?

I see our resident class/race-baiter decided to chime in. Calling Midtowner self-righteous? Do you even read your own posts?Are you referring to me? I have never called Midtowner self righteous...

No sorry see the previous page

oh, you're all good man... didn't realize as the post before yours was posted at the exact same time so I thought they got mixed up.. :)

plupan, again I understand and can't disagree at all with your thoughts. It just really isn't appropriate, though, to make such a personal attack, even if the vast majority here agree with you, because things can be very obvious without being said.maybe so....

Edgar = Ed

The spew is the same...

Nah - Edgar is probably that silly chicken showing up at events around town.

Good illustration of how the young often don't have anything to compare so they don't realize how much things have changed/improved.

That is exactly correct. Since downtown was so awful pre-MAPS, we just didn't go there. I was one of the people back in the 80s and 90s who literally never went south of 63rd St. A lot of my peers had a statement, "Nothing good happens south of 63rd.". The only memory I have of seeing or discussing downtown with one of my kids was driving past the arena under construction and wistfully asking him if he thought we would get an NBA team now that we were building an arena. He was a lot more sports-savvy than I at the time and pulled a David Stern, laughing at me for the thought. So to them, what we've got downtown was likely just there the first time they remember it.

The irony is that the demographic that probably admires Shadid the most likely wouldn't even be living here were it not for Mick and his predecessors. The Plaza District, 23rd St and the Paseo that they love wouldn't be here either. Telling them isn't the same as recalling the absolute almost gut-wrenching shock I had the first time I went downtown and realized what it didn't have. I didn't move here by choice and had never visited before I pulled into town. I did have my husband's warning to prepare me a bit: "It's a dump." That wasn't adequate. But my children have no frame of reference.

Yep. We spent a ton of money on downtown and the results have been great. We have an NBA team too. As you said yourself, downtown is going to be fine.

Time to quit running that 30 year old playbook with videos of yesteryear and move forward with a different focus. Maybe Mick is the man to do that but he sure doesn't appear to have any vision looking forward, just looking back.

Hmm. I am kind of surprised that there seems to be so many people in Cornett's camp who are making passionate anti Shadid comments rather than passionate pro Cornett comments. I personally don't think this is a race where people, in large numbers, are going to throw their vote to Cornett because they are turned off by Shadid. It's not really that kind of race. I just don't think people, in large numbers, are going to vote for Shadid because they just didn't realize he was such a horrible man.

Negative campaigning, something they disdain in Ed. So much for consistency.

Bring back krisb.

Wayne Coyne gave his endorsement for Mick in the Gazette. Mick should drop the mic after that

Team Cornett is breaking out the smarm- Bobbie Burbridge Lane is plugging Mick on sports radio imploring people to load up their cars with the faithful on election day. quite the spectrum, Wayne Coyne to BBLane. They could share a feather boa at the watch party.

they could share a feather boa at the victory party.

fify

Team Cornett is breaking out the smarm- Bobbie Burbridge Lane is plugging Mick on sports radio imploring people to load up their cars with the faithful on election day. quite the spectrum, Wayne Coyne to BBLane. They could share a feather boa at the watch party.

Seriously? Your preferred candidate has been courting votes from the ultra liberal to the High noon club, from supporters of same sex unions to having his ex wife come out and do ads portraying a family unit, and you have the gall to crack wise over the incumbent having a diverse backing? It is a non-partisan city wide election for a city wide position. It should surprise no one that all candidates who hope to be successful will seek support across the full spectrum of voters. However, it does sort of blow the whole Cornett is only for the plutocrats spiel up in whatever the smoke de jour is from the challenger's campaign.

Yep. We spent a ton of money on downtown and the results have been great. We have an NBA team too. As you said yourself, downtown is going to be fine.

Time to quit running that 30 year old playbook with videos of yesteryear and move forward with a different focus. Maybe Mick is the man to do that but he sure doesn't appear to have any vision looking forward, just looking back.

I understand this statement completely (even if I disagree, somewhat), but does Ed have any vision looking forward?

bring back krisb.

lolz

I understand this statement completely (even if I disagree, somewhat), but does Ed have any vision looking forward?



He's gonna fix the bus stops.

Unlikely, that is a campaign promise after all. The only thing we know for certain is that he turns his back on those.

Seriously? Your preferred candidate has been courting votes from the ultra liberal to the High noon club, from supporters of same sex unions to having his ex wife come out and do ads portraying a family unit, and you have the gall to crack wise over the incumbent having a diverse backing? It is a non-partisan city wide election for a city wide position. It should surprise no one that all candidates who hope to be successful will seek support across the full spectrum of voters. However, it does sort of blow the whole Cornett is only for the plutocrats spiel up in whatever the smoke de jour is from the challenger's campaign.

KP, you are replying to a person who is in the midst of midterms at NW Classen. Cut him a little slack...

Negative campaigning, something they disdain in Ed. So much for consistency.

At least we're telling the truth.

I've already said Mick is not precisely the candidate I would create from scratch were I Pygmalion. I'm a Democrat and more liberal than him. I am posting a reason I'm voting for him on Facebook daily and I'm up to Day 20 though. But he is the one I trust, especially to keep moving OKC in the direction I want to see it go. We have two choices essentially, and choice Ed is such an awful one that I really don't see Mick as a choice, but rather necessity.

[QUOTE=bchris02;752529]I agree. Those who I am referring to voting for Ed because of social issues are extremely politically unaware. I always am sure to tell them that Ed does not have OKC's best interests at heart, and that social issues are completely irrelevant in positions like mayor of OKC.

Low information voters have power in numbers. Consequences suck, sometimes.

News 9 / Gazette poll shows Cornett winning by 45 points. He's leading among every age group and every ideological group, from "very liberal" to "very conservative." The only demographic category the poll showed Shadid leading was among people making less than $25k a year.

If this poll holds up, STEVE HUNT will have performed better among voters than Ed Shadid, and Hunt had exactly no money to spend on his campaign.

This shows what a disaster Ed's campaign strategy is and how politically tone deaf he is. You can't do anything to help anyone if you can't get elected, and once elected, if you cannot rally people to your side, you cannot accomplish any of your initiatives.

It's also political folly to screw over people who helped get you elected in the first place. If you have no loyalty to people who worked for you, how can you be trusted by the citizens?

Here's a link to the poll:

Poll: Cornett Leads Shadid By Wide Margin In OKC Mayor's Race - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/24818913/poll-cornett-leads-shadid-by-wide-margin-in-okc-mayors-race)


The article said Shadid's strongest numbers was with those making less than $25K a year, however he was still losing to Cornett badly in that category, around 1/3rd the support. Unless there was another poll.

One of Shadid's advisers is taking bets that the "scientific" poll is way off. Desperation is ugly.

Last night on the news I saw David Slane pushing Minimum wage changes for Oklahoma. He had 3 or 4 others tagging along with him. In the last shot, Ed Shadid was positioning himself behind Slane to be in the picture.....Nice

Last night on the news I saw David Slane pushing Minimum wage changes for Oklahoma. He had 3 or 4 others tagging along with him. In the last shot, Ed Shadid was positioning himself behind Slane to be in the picture.....Nice

Hmmm... I thought Shadid had nothing to do with David Slane's Maps challenge...

I know you were poking a little fun but I think you might be interested in this. Those liberals and leftists are not the lockstep caricature you think they (we?) are.

I know a very large number of progressives and moderates supporting Mayor Cornett - many of them going all out to work phones, place signs, make posts on social media, and even appear in television and print ads. Mayor Cornett has been such an effective mayor he has broad appeal regardless of political affiliation or philosophy. He is a decent man who has been an excellent leader and representative for OKC.

Additionally, I do not know very many progressive/liberal/left leaning people that want Shadid being the OKC standard bearer for that particular constituency. So don't think one can determine where a person falls on the left - right spectrum by the campaign sign in the front yard. You think I fall far left but guess whose sign I have and who I will be knocking on doors for this weekend?
Oh, I wasn't trying to sat anyone was in lockstep - sorry if it came out that way. To me, this just seems like a no brainer - I mean, just look at the progress OKC has made under Mick's leadership - not to discount others involved. Upon reflection, I guess I can see how someone closer in but not downtown might feel slighted by priorities. We live out past the burbs and expect to be pretty much ignored and see it as a trade off but worth it to us. No matter who gets elected, not much will change for us and it just seems like the city has been doing so well. If Mick really has lived in NYC for two years I find that offensive. At the same time, seems like the roads have regularly been sanded and the lights kept on during his tenure.

Mick got an executive MBA. From what I know of an executive MBA, as my son is/was in the military and a lot of his active duty friends got those, you go to class on weekends. For some schools it is every weekend, for some less frequent. As I've said elsewhere, if you pay your mayor $25,000 a year, you shouldn't expect him to work weekends.

Actually, here it is: http://www.stern.nyu.edu/programs-admissions/executive-mba/the-stern-advantage/program-overview/

So, for an executive MBA at NYU you have class 4 days a month, two Fridays and two Saturdays.

Oh, I wasn't trying to sat anyone was in lockstep - sorry if it came out that way. To me, this just seems like a no brainer - I mean, just look at the progress OKC has made under Mick's leadership - not to discount others involved. Upon reflection, I guess I can see how someone closer in but not downtown might feel slighted by priorities. We live out past the burbs and expect to be pretty much ignored and see it as a trade off but worth it to us. No matter who gets elected, not much will change for us and it just seems like the city has been doing so well. If Mick really has lived in NYC for two years I find that offensive. At the same time, seems like the roads have regularly been sanded and the lights kept on during his tenure.

The flyer makes it seem like he was there a solid two years. Not the case: he commuted back and forth to take classes.

The flyer makes it seem like he was there a solid two years. Not the case: he commuted back and forth to take classes.

That's a whole lot of airfare and motel costs - wonder how someone can afford that? I'm not suggesting anything nefarious. That's an honest question - wish I could afford to see my NYC grand babies that often.

That's a whole lot of airfare and motel costs - wonder how someone can afford that? I'm not suggesting anything nefarious. That's an honest question - wish I could afford to see my NYC grand babies that often.

I don't know about Mayor Cornett, but my son actually applied to NYU for a regular MBA. He had decent grades and a good but not through the roof GMAT. His only claim to being different was that he went to the Naval Academy and is a Navy helicopter pilot. NYU not only offered him a full scholarship, but they offered him a stipend as well. He ended up going to a different school, but I remember NYU because that stipend and full tuition sounded really good. So I'm guessing it's possible that Mick could have gone there tuition free. While we just think of him as our mayor, he's actually got a pretty amazing national reputation for a small city mayor. Business schools fall all over themselves for that kind of stuff. A lot of them throw money at students they want. And, if you know your schedule in advance, you can get really cheap fares on Southwest, I know. Maybe he's got a family member or close friend who lives there he can stay with, dunno. As I said, I know nothing about what sort of tuition or airfare Mick had to pay, I just know what's possible.

I'm not sure it's just Kool-aid Edgar's drinking.

Last night on the news I saw David Slane pushing Minimum wage changes for Oklahoma. He had 3 or 4 others tagging along with him. In the last shot, Ed Shadid was positioning himself behind Slane to be in the picture.....Nice

After those fishing trips, I'd be staying away from David.

Very disappointing to see Cornett getting so much support, as his campaign is meant to appeal to self-centered old folks. MAPS was about collective ambition and youthful energy and so many here are ready to give him credit for it when it so clearly runs counter to his values. The fact that his strongest support is with the senior citizen crowd shows where this city is headed and clearly reveals the age of many of the biggest asses on this board. Lip service to attracting young people that Cornett hypes so much is just that. Another four years of outdated values and mediocrity for OKC. Transparency in government and the replacement of Jim Couch will have to wait.

Out of curiosity, where on earth did you get the notion that the mayor, irrespective of who is the mayor, can change the employment status of the city manager. Are you not aware that the mayor is simply one of several co-equal votes on the OKC council horseshoe? If a change in city manager is a major need, why wouldn't that be a even a speck of the press for the job from any one of the challengers?

Not defending the city manager. Not crucifying him. But who holds that job bears no direct relationship to who wins the next mayor election.

Very disappointing to see Cornett getting so much support, as his campaign is meant to appeal to self-centered old folks. MAPS was about collective ambition and youthful energy and so many here are ready to give him credit for it when it so clearly runs counter to his values. The fact that his strongest support is with the senior citizen crowd shows where this city is headed and clearly reveals the age of many of the biggest asses on this board. Lip service to attracting young people that Cornett hypes so much is just that. Another four years of outdated values and mediocrity for OKC. Transparency in government and the replacement of Jim Couch will have to wait.

Had there been a better progressive candidate, I might have agreed with you a bit. As I've been telling people, when the alternative is so bad, Mick isn't a choice, he's a necessity. Change for change's sake is a mistake. You'd better make sure you're changing to something better, and Ed is clearly not better.

While I guess I'm one of the old asses, I espouse many of the values of my children and their friends. And they're agreeing with me on this one. Mick is the person who said, "I want to create a city where my children and grandchildren want to live." Regardless, Ed can't remove Jim Couch anyway. You're mistaken there. All he can do is ask the Council to vote on removing him, which he could have done anytime in the past two years. There's the best argument against Ed for the people who want change: In a weak mayoral system, a council member has just as much power as the mayor to effect the kind of change city laws allow the council. Ed is just as powerful as the mayor in that regard. And so one could quite reasonably ask why he hasn't done any of the things that he's criticizing the mayor for not doing.

Very disappointing to see Cornett getting so much support, as his campaign is meant to appeal to self-centered old folks. MAPS was about collective ambition and youthful energy and so many here are ready to give him credit for it when it so clearly runs counter to his values. The fact that his strongest support is with the senior citizen crowd shows where this city is headed and clearly reveals the age of many of the biggest asses on this board. Lip service to attracting young people that Cornett hypes so much is just that. Another four years of outdated values and mediocrity for OKC. Transparency in government and the replacement of Jim Couch will have to wait.

God you are a piece of work. You come in and act all high and mighty, touting class and race issues, and then come post drivel like this. You could not be any more wrong. I've never seen so many "self centered old folks" disguised as young vibrant professionals in my life.

You apparently are just a bitter person who hasn't had things go his/her way and doesn't want anyone else to enjoy anything if you can't.

Mick is the person who said, "I want to create a city where my children and grandchildren want to live."

My kids left for greener pastures long years ago but if the city continues to step up its game, other parents/grand parents might get to keep their family closer.

Me too Penny. Except for my youngest. He's still here, living in Midtown and enjoying all the stuff there is to do there now. If there weren't, he'd be gone too. My others aren't really opposed to living here, but while off in school developed entangling alliances that keep them elsewhere.

Me too Penny. Except for my youngest. He's still here, living in Midtown and enjoying all the stuff there is to do there now. If there weren't, he'd be gone too. My others aren't really opposed to living here, but while off in school developed entangling alliances that keep them elsewhere.

I relate. :)

Very disappointing to see Cornett getting so much support, as his campaign is meant to appeal to self-centered old folks. MAPS was about collective ambition and youthful energy and so many here are ready to give him credit for it when it so clearly runs counter to his values. The fact that his strongest support is with the senior citizen crowd shows where this city is headed and clearly reveals the age of many of the biggest asses on this board. Lip service to attracting young people that Cornett hypes so much is just that. Another four years of outdated values and mediocrity for OKC. Transparency in government and the replacement of Jim Couch will have to wait.

Cornett's weaker support among young voters is because they are uninformed. It says nothing about the job Cornett is doing as mayor or that younger people share Ed's vision as an alternative. They know Ed is a social progressive and want to support a social progressive. That's it. If it wasn't for the improvements we have seen in OKC under Cornett, many younger people wouldn't even consider living in OKC unless they had no other choice.


My kids left for greener pastures long years ago but if the city continues to step up its game, other parents/grand parents might get to keep their family closer.

Did your kids leave for quality of life reasons or because of lack of jobs here?

You come in and act all high and mighty, touting class and race issues, and then come post drivel like this. You could not be any more wrong.
You apparently are just a bitter person who hasn't had things go his/her way and doesn't want anyone else to enjoy anything if you can't.
I appreciate the apparent concern but I'm happy with my life.

I see our resident class/race-baiter decided to chime in.
Care to explain why I'm a class/race-baiter? I proposed a 4 year urban public university and want a higher minimum wage. What's wrong with equality of opportunity and a guaranteed living wage for workers?

Cornett's weaker support among young voters is because they are uninformed. It says nothing about the job Cornett is doing as mayor or that younger people share Ed's vision as an alternative. They know Ed is a social progressive and want to support a social progressive. That's it. If it wasn't for the improvements we have seen in OKC under Cornett, many younger people wouldn't even consider living in OKC unless they had no other choice.



Did your kids leave for quality of life reasons or because of lack of jobs here?

All three went to east coast law schools. Two got jobs right out of law school and stayed in NYC. Of those two, one married a New England Girl and the other married a Stillwater boy but he is an artist and found work in NYC. The third worked in Boston after graduating. After a few years, she moved to NYC where her siblings and many friends lived. They are pretty liberal and likely can't imagine living in OKC but at the same time, they weren't here to see the City take off and I am so sorry they left too soon to be part of it. I honestly think they'd be happy here and proud to be part of it but they are pretty settled where they are for the most part. They have excellent academic pedigrees and getting a job wouldn't have been a problem in the slightest but they came out with big student loans so needed to take high paying NYC jobs to pay them off.

Very disappointing to see Cornett getting so much support, as his campaign is meant to appeal to self-centered old folks. MAPS was about collective ambition and youthful energy and so many here are ready to give him credit for it when it so clearly runs counter to his values. The fact that his strongest support is with the senior citizen crowd shows where this city is headed and clearly reveals the age of many of the biggest asses on this board. Lip service to attracting young people that Cornett hypes so much is just that. Another four years of outdated values and mediocrity for OKC. Transparency in government and the replacement of Jim Couch will have to wait.

So you like the Liar as your candidate ?

People are supporting Cornett because not everyone is stupid.....even the old folks. lol

Very disappointing to see Cornett getting so much support, as his campaign is meant to appeal to self-centered old folks. MAPS was about collective ambition and youthful energy and so many here are ready to give him credit for it when it so clearly runs counter to his values. The fact that his strongest support is with the senior citizen crowd shows where this city is headed and clearly reveals the age of many of the biggest asses on this board. Lip service to attracting young people that Cornett hypes so much is just that. Another four years of outdated values and mediocrity for OKC. Transparency in government and the replacement of Jim Couch will have to wait.

1. You're misreading the poll results. Neither candidate was doing great with the young demo because that group had the highest number of undecided voters. As for enthusiasm, clearly you did not attend the MoveOKC event that featured nearly entirely 20 somethings. They were fired up and ready to go for Mayor Cornett.

2. And I have to ask you, whose "outdated values?" I'll tell you who has outdated values, Ed Shadid. He just ran an insulting mailer designed to appeal to voters' hatred of gay people to get votes. He is a despicable anachronism, using 1970s era gay-baiting tactics, suggesting the mayor is a closet case going to New York to hide out. Anyone who would publicly support this sewer rat on the premise of "values" has instantly lost my respect.

3. There is nothing, nothing, saying again, nothing, stopping Ed Shadid from holding Jim Couch's feet to the fire on the Council. He has just as many votes as our mayor. What, pray tell, has Shadid done to hold Jim Couch accountable? I've seen alternate whining and ass-kissing. If you think Couch should be replaced, tell Ed Shadid. Jim Couch reports to the City Council and if Ed wants something done about it there is nothing stopping him.

As I understand, this was Shadid's first time voting in a mayoral election. We other schmucks have voted for decades.

Who's schmuckED now?

Latest poll data - Cornett essentially unchanged. Shadid picking off some Hughes and Sarge votes.....

http://kwtv.images.worldnow.com/images/24865940_SS.jpg

Latest poll data - Cornett essentially unchanged. Shadid picking off some Hughes and Sarge votes.....

http://kwtv.images.worldnow.com/images/24865940_SS.jpg

You mean there isn't a Sarge Surge?

:)