Flashback should go into one of those houses on Robinson!

The Rise will be fine in the long run. I imagine At the Beach, Anytime Fitness and The Drake can live with the wait. It's the other tenants that I worry about because they are individual businesses that can't afford to sit on their product for much longer.

Perhaps Tuck could weigh in here and let us know if The Drake plans to wait on this development and maybe even shed some light on the delays if he so chooses?

Any updates on Flashback Retropub? Are they still going to open? Have they decided on a new location? Out of all the new bars coming to OKC this is the one that I am the most excited about.

Yes, they are still going to open and are close to finalizing a deal at a new location.

That's all I can say for now.

I am ready for them to find a home!. and hopeing its a great location!

any update on this, just saw a tweet that they added another game

They are making good progress towards nailing down a new location.

Anything new on this?

They still haven't settled on a new location.

they posted this on facebook on the 5th of November.

Alright Facebook friends, we've been silent for a while we search for a new location. We are still searching for the right spot for us, but we wanted to ask everyone a question… Where would you like to see FlashBack RetroPub open it's doors? Here are a couple of choices, but feel free to add your own.

1. Automobile Alley
2. Film Row District
3. Midtown
4. Classen Boulevard
5. 23rd Street


So it seems they haven't really nailed down a location.
someone commented asking if the ship had sailed on the rise and they said it had not only sailed but sunk and burnt and they were replaced by Cox..

They were really close on a location on Auto Alley but that has fallen through, so now they are looking again.

May have some new news next week.

Hey guys, thanks for checking in and asking about our progress. We are still looking for a new location, our biggest hurdle has been finding a location where we the owner is ok with and ABC3 Permit and is also within the requirements of that permit (300 ft from a school, church or day care) believe it or not it's easier said than done.

We are still collecting games, so at least that's keeping us busy for the time being.

I would like to see it in Midtown. I think it would complement existing bars there as well. Auto Alley would have been great and its a shame it didn't work out there.

At the rate everything is growing, any location close to downtown will likely be a good location. There are so many positives for Auto Alley, Midtown, Film Row, Bricktown.

Hey guys, thanks for checking in and asking about our progress. We are still looking for a new location, our biggest hurdle has been finding a location where we the owner is ok with and ABC3 Permit and is also within the requirements of that permit (300 ft from a school, church or day care) believe it or not it's easier said than done.

What are the hurdles for Automobile Alley? Have lease rates gone too high, or is it permitting?

Getting an ABC3 permit is the biggest hurdle, even if you meet all the requirements you still have to go before the Planning Commission. Once you get their blessings you the have to go before the City Council and get their blessings. The entire process takes about 3 months from start to finish.

Take over the VZD's space and put the machines upstairs. The people down below can listen to music and talk and any noise from the machines will be upstairs.

Western Ave is a great district, but it's not one we are looking at for this concept.

Western Ave is a great district, but it's not one we are looking at for this concept.
I'm sure you all have looked into it, but have you thought about 603 NW 23rd? With all the windows facing dewey it would seem like a great location to get a lot of exposure (and all those arcade games would look really cool there at night). Someone mentioned that the new ownership wanted a bar or restaurant there. It's also pretty close to your old location.

http://www.okctalk.com/showwiki.php?title=603+NW+23rd

I'm sure you all have looked into it, but have you thought about 603 NW 23rd? With all the windows facing dewey it would seem like a great location to get a lot of exposure (and all those arcade games would look really cool there at night). Someone mentioned that the new ownership wanted a bar or restaurant there. It's also pretty close to your old location.

603 NW 23rd - OKCTalk (http://www.okctalk.com/showwiki.php?title=603+NW+23rd)

We explored every option we had available on 23rd St., but ultimately decided we wanted to be closer to downtown.

We explored every option we had available on 23rd St., but ultimately decided we wanted to be closer to downtown.

What sort of square footage are you needing? There are a few spaces along NW 10th that might work. Best of luck,regardless, I'm sure this search would have been easier a couple years ago.

What sort of square footage are you needing? There are a few spaces along NW 10th that might work. Best of luck,regardless, I'm sure this search would have been easier a couple years ago.

Between 2000-2500 square feet, with no less than a 12 ft wall height. The space also needs to have sprinklers, which I still don't understand that regulation since we are Non-Smoking and won't have a kitchen.

Between 2000-2500 square feet, with no less than a 12 ft wall height. The space also needs to have sprinklers, which I still don't understand that regulation since we are Non-Smoking and won't have a kitchen.

You need to be able to cool it off in case someone gets too hot on PacMan.

Anyway, have you looked into any of the spaces on the south side of 10th west of Broadway? Some appear to be unoccupied, but I suppose you'd be waiting again as you negotiate and build etc.

Between 2000-2500 square feet, with no less than a 12 ft wall height. The space also needs to have sprinklers, which I still don't understand that regulation since we are Non-Smoking and won't have a kitchen.

Was just looking into this issue recently, you would probably be classified as an Assembly-2, which requires a sprinkler system if A) 5,000sf or larger or B) have an occupancy of 100 or more. It can be pretty burdensome, especially if the building doesnt have it already or since you are only 2,000-2,500sf. In such a small space, occupants can get out of the space very quickly.

You could always decide okc isn't retro game friendly enough and
come on down to Norman. :Smiley259

You need to be able to cool it off in case someone gets too hot on PacMan.

Anyway, have you looked into any of the spaces on the south side of 10th west of Broadway? Some appear to be unoccupied, but I suppose you'd be waiting again as you negotiate and build etc.

I love that Old Gas/Repair Station on 10th & Harvey, but I can only imagine how much work that building needs. 10th street has made a new for itself over the last year or two. Whether be design or by accident, it has seen a lot of success.

You could always decide okc isn't retro game friendly enough and
come on down to Norman. :Smiley259

We could always look to do a FlashBack RetrPub 2 in Norman. Main Street definitely has a ton of cool buildings that I love.

What about the buildings on 8th street just west of Auto Alley? I've always thought that would be a great area to have a bar district and it would compliment what's happening on 9th and feed off of AA.

You need to be able to cool it off in case someone gets too hot on PacMan.

Anyway, have you looked into any of the spaces on the south side of 10th west of Broadway? Some appear to be unoccupied, but I suppose you'd be waiting again as you negotiate and build etc.

Speaking of Pac-Man, we almost scored a very unique Super Pac-Man game a couple of months back. Only to have the seller change his mind at the last minute. But we just got a Defender and we are picking up a Missile Command this weekend.

Most of Automobile Alley is tough for ABC-3 because of the churches lining Robinson.

That sprinkler restriction is ridiculous. The same thing put a huge dent into Grandad's budget and opening timing. It is crazy that a non-smoking bar has to have tens of thousands of dollars worth of sprinklers added, but if they added a kitchen (with fire!) and became ABC-2 there would be no such requirement. It is probably because of an assumption that bars are all smoking establishments (or that they would lie and switch to smoking); but still, why not have the same requirements for places that cook (with fire!)?

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I remember that about Grandad's. I actually met Greg Seal as they were just getting to open, then all the sudden they had to stop and put in a sprinkler system which almost killed them.

This might be a good time for the state government to revisit allowing churches to waive the distance requirement. I don't see how anybody could oppose that especially if the law remained in effect unless the congregation in question granted permission. That way anti-alcohol churches could keep the restriction. Many of the churches along Robinson are of the non-fundamentalist persuasion and probably wouldn't have a problem with a nearby ABC-3 license.

.... we are picking up a Missile Command this weekend.


Melts. Loved me some MC back in the day.

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Most of Automobile Alley is tough for ABC-3 because of the churches lining Robinson.

That sprinkler restriction is ridiculous. The same thing put a huge dent into Grandad's budget and opening timing. It is crazy that a non-smoking bar has to have tens of thousands of dollars worth of sprinklers added, but if they added a kitchen (with fire!) and became ABC-2 there would be no such requirement. It is probably because of an assumption that bars are all smoking establishments (or that they would lie and switch to smoking); but still, why not have the same requirements for places that cook (with fire!)?

Agreed, it is ridiculous. But that's the way the Liqour Laws go in this state and I don't foresee them changing anytime soon.

Have you looked at Capitol Hill at all or are the other districts just more preferred at this time?

What are the hurdles for Film Row? Seems like a place like this could liven up the night there.

What about 400 N Walnut?

Have you looked at Capitol Hill at all or are the other districts just more preferred at this time?

At this time we want to stay within the downtown area.

What about 400 N Walnut?

Seconded! Or anywhere in Deep Deuce. Not sure what may be available. Auto Alley would be great too.

The property search tool here may be helpful: Oklahoma City Retail - Property Search (http://www.okcretail.com/properties)

You can draw a radius around a point to keep your search within downtown only.

Did you all talk to Steve Mason about property he has on 8th St.? With the Metropolitan going in, that street is ripe for redevelopment and close enough to AA and 9th St. to not get lost.

8th st. would be perfect for a pub like this! There is already a small salon there working on opening a full men's shop with Barbers and Retail. Starbucks is rumored to be going in on the corner of 8th and Oklahoma ave. as well. The pub could be a nice anchor for 8th st.

What are the hurdles for Film Row? Seems like a place like this could liven up the night there.

It really depends on what end of Film Row there's space available? If you're on the East end you have to be cautious and stay at least 300 ft from the Elementary School, but that seems to be the only hurdle. It's just being able to find a building that doesn't need too much work done to it.

It really depends on what end of Film Row there's space available? If you're on the East end you have to be cautious and stay at least 300 ft from the Elementary School, but that seems to be the only hurdle. It's just being able to find a building that doesn't need too much work done to it.

Film row needs the development, but it's going to be a long time until film row has the residents and foot traffic that deep deuce, AA, or midtown have. I would feel that film row is too much of a risk to do something like this, now.

Did you all talk to Steve Mason about property he has on 8th St.? With the Metropolitan going in, that street is ripe for redevelopment and close enough to AA and 9th St. to not get lost.

Our broker reached out to their contact, but nothing came of it. One thing to keep in mind here is that while some properties may look available, there's already been a plan put in place for what that property will become. I can honesty say that there were only 2-3 spots in AA that might work for us. I've learned a ton throughout this entire process, which has been a blessing at time and also a curse at others.

Film row needs the development, but it's going to be a long time until film row has the residents and foot traffic that deep deuce, AA, or midtown have. I would feel that film row is too much of a risk to do something like this, now.

I think that the 21C Hotel will go a long way in helping that traffic, as well as the OGE Center. You will potentially have hotels on both ends of Film Row, just off Sheridan. So who knows, 2 years from now Film Row could be filled with tons of traffic on a nightly basis.

I think that the 21C Hotel will go a long way in helping that traffic, as well as the OGE Center. You will potentially have hotels on both ends of Film Row, just off Sheridan. So who knows, 2 years from now Film Row could be filled with tons of traffic on a nightly basis.

It probably will be. If you can hold on with potentially lower traffic for those two years, being first mover could have it's advantages. You'd have better pick of the space as well.

Have you all considered the open space next to fassler/dustbowl?

Have you all considered the open space next to fassler/dustbowl?

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Flashback Retropub would perfectly complement that area in my opinion.

Have you all considered the open space next to fassler/dustbowl?

This is brilliant and would create a little bar hopping district with McNellies, Fassler Hall/Dust Bowl, all the way up Walker.

That would be awesome. What is the sf of the rise vs. this open space?

I'd not go FilmRow. This is a niche concept, and FilmRow needs non-niche night-life before it's going to do justice to a place like Flashback. Flashback being right by DustBowl makes for a fantastic little adult entertainment corner.

I'd not go FilmRow. This is a niche concept, and FilmRow needs non-niche night-life before it's going to do justice to a place like Flashback. Flashback being right by DustBowl makes for a fantastic little adult entertainment corner.

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I'd not go FilmRow. This is a niche concept, and FilmRow needs non-niche night-life before it's going to do justice to a place like Flashback. Flashback being right by DustBowl makes for a fantastic little adult entertainment corner.

I agree 100%. I like film row and think it could support some restaurant and bar concepts, but It would seem that flashback would be pretty risky there right now. There would definitely be first mover advantages but with at least a year or two before the first hotel openning and 2-4 years before the first new residential developments open, it might just be too soon.

I agree 100%. I like film row and think it could support some restaurant and bar concepts, but It would seem that flashback would be pretty risky there right now. There would definitely be first mover advantages but with at least a year or two before the first hotel openning and 2-4 years before the first new residential developments open, it might just be too soon.

In defense of Film Row, the same could have been said when McNellies opened in Midtown, when Grandad's opened in Uptown or when Saints opened in Plaza. They all faced risky situations of being the first of their concept with no other real nightlife draw to the area. Look at them now, all anchors to those districts. There's something to be said for being the first at the right time.

I love that Old Gas/Repair Station on 10th & Harvey, but I can only imagine how much work that building needs.

All I can say is: MORE THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE!!!! Knock it down and build it brand new in identically the same fashion, you'll be better off and save a ton. ;)

Has anybody mentioned this building at 10th and Classen? Is it the right size or is it too small?

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Oklahoma+City,+OK&ll=35.47862,-97.528792&spn=0.000988,0.001163&cid=3720556535098587805&hnear=Oklahoma+City,+Oklahoma+County,+Oklahoma&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=35.478747,-97.52885&panoid=bKrkJPRB0G2Ix8-Q7zpMpQ&cbp=12,320.49,,0,3.58

Has anybody mentioned this building at 10th and Classen? Is it the right size or is it too small?

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Oklahoma+City,+OK&ll=35.47862,-97.528792&spn=0.000988,0.001163&cid=3720556535098587805&hnear=Oklahoma+City,+Oklahoma+County,+Oklahoma&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=35.478747,-97.52885&panoid=bKrkJPRB0G2Ix8-Q7zpMpQ&cbp=12,320.49,,0,3.58

I've been aware of this building being available for several weeks. It's the former home of Verdigris, who moved to H&8th. It's a cool building, I'm sure it would make for a good restaurant location once The Lift is completed. But not the location for FlashBack RetroPub.

I've been aware of this building being available for several weeks. It's the former home of Verdigris, who moved to H&8th. It's a cool building, I'm sure it would make for a good restaurant location once The Lift is completed. But not the location for FlashBack RetroPub.

I agree. Too far from everything else.

While I would probably make my way to Flashback 1-2x a month regardless of location, I want them to be successful in the short and long run, and I have trouble believing it would do well in Film Row in the near term. Foot traffic is low and it's a ghost town after dark. It's a risk I'm not sure I would take. I get the feeling that they're considering it or even further along, and if that's the case, I wish them luck and will certainly be a customer, but I see a Film Row location as a serious struggle in the foreseeable future.