I just spoke to the media contact with TopGolf and she confirmed they have struck a deal to go into the Chisholm Creek development at the SW corner of Memorial & Western.

Said they hope to start construction in two months and open in early 2015.

This is the only location they have planned for Oklahoma for the foreseeable future.

Asked about SkyBox Golf, to be located a mile directly west, I was told that TopGolf is such a unique concept and strong brand they are not concerned about the competition.


I believe this project will be very similar to the one recently opened in The Colony, TX which features 102 driving bays on three levels.


http://topgolf.com/oklahomacity/

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TOPGOLF OKLAHOMA CITY: COMING IN 2015
TopGolf has selected a location in Oklahoma City; will break ground this year
OKLAHOMA CITY – Jan. 27, 2013 – Golf entertainment leader TopGolf International, Inc. today announced it will open its flagship Oklahoma location in Oklahoma City next spring. The company will begin construction on the site, located near Quail Springs Mall at the southwestern quadrant of N. Western Avenue and the John Kilpatrick Turnpike, in the next few months.

Last September, TopGolf® announcedit was actively seeking a site in Oklahoma. The new 65,000-square-foot facility will feature: 102 hitting bays that can accommodate up to six players at one time; a full-service restaurant and bars; 4,000 square feet of private event space; a rooftop terrace; and more. The project is being funded through TopGolf’s investors and EPR Properties (NYSE: EPR), a $3.4 billion specialty real estate investment trust (REIT).

“The TopGolf team has been blown away by the support and enthusiasm we’ve seen from the people of Oklahoma since we first announced our interest in the market,” said TopGolf Chief Development Officer Randy Starr. “Oklahoma City officials have also been a great partner in bringing this deal to closure. We are now anxiously awaiting our opportunity to offer residents another entertainment attraction.”

Oklahoma City is the company’s 16th confirmed location, following San Antonio and Tampa. Starr estimates it will serve approximately 425,000 visitors in its first year of operation. Its 10-year total fiscal impact (including direct sales tax, property tax, business tax, etc.) will exceed $31 million. TopGolf also expects to hire approximately 400-450 associates at the new facility, creating 100 full-time positions.

Residents can follow TopGolf’s progress in Oklahoma City at topgolf.com/okc, facebook.com/topgolfokc and @TopGolfOKC on Twitter.

About TopGolf
TopGolf is the emerging global leader in golf entertainment, with 10 locations serving more than 2 million guests annually. Players hit golf balls containing computer microchips that track each shot’s accuracy and distance while also awarding points for hitting targets on the outfield. Each facility offers an upscale, laid-back experience that features climate-controlled hitting bays and an impressive food and beverage menu crafted by an executive chef. Mix in dynamic event spaces for groups of all sizes, and TopGolf stands as the premier entertainment complex where the competition of sport meets the neighborhood’s favorite hangout. To learn more about TopGolf, visit www.topgolf.com.

TopGolf OKC | The Premier Golf Entertainment Complex (http://topgolf.com/oklahomacity/)

they basically believe that they can run skybox out of business as there is no way both of them will surviive in the long run. One of them should strongly reconsider their current location.

I suspect that Skybox may reconsider their plans.

They still have one small approval pending; a parking variance.

I don't believe they've broken ground but have not doubt spent a ton of money on design/plans/engineering. The land has not changed hands as of yet, but it could have been a ground lease all along.

Im looking forward to speak too and get some thoughts of some of the Skybox investors that are out at OT National about top golf.

I suspect that Skybox may reconsider their plans.

They still have one small approval pending; a parking variance.

I don't believe they've broken ground but have not doubt spent a ton of money on design/plans/engineering. The land has not changed hands as of yet, but it could have been a ground lease all along.

Do you think they will scrap their plans, or look to put it in the moore/norman area?

Do you think they will scrap their plans, or look to put it in the moore/norman area?

With all they have invested thus far, you'd think it would make sense to move Skybox elsewhere.

From what I was told by the TopGolf people, they do not plan any more locations in Oklahoma in the near future.


BTW, the Skybox investors are attorneys who office near Quail Springs.

Why could they not both survive during the long run? As long as they are literally not next door to each other, wouldn't a "golf district" be good for them?

Why could they not both survive during the long run? As long as they are literally not next door to each other, wouldn't a "golf district" be good for them?

They might as well be next door next to each other. I admit I'm not a golfer, but I just don't see how two driving ranges can survive that close to each other. Is there really that much demand to shoot golfballs off a deck? Maybe if these were smaller driving range facilities.

Both of these being built would be a slam dunk for the consumers! :D

They might as well be next door next to each other. I admit I'm not a golfer, but I just don't see how two driving ranges can survive that close to each other. Is there really that much demand to shoot golfballs off a deck? Maybe if these were smaller driving range facilities.

First, let's not confuse either of these places with a "driving range." I consider a driving range a place where committed golfers go to practice.

These type places are essentially bowling alleys for golf, where you go with friends to toss back beers and participate in a game that all in the group may or may not be good at.

As far as demand, the one in west Houston near my hometown is ridiculously packed 24/7, it's insane.

First, let's not confuse either of these places with a "driving range." I consider a driving range a place where committed golfers go to practice.

These type places are essentially bowling alleys for golf, where you go with friends to toss back beers and participate in a game that all in the group may or may not be good at.

As far as demand, the one in west Houston near my hometown is ridiculously packed 24/7, it's insane.

Tells you how many bad golfers there are down in H'town! :tongue:

^^^^^
but there is not a second one a mile away is there? There is simply not enough demand in a niche market like this to have 2 in OKC a mile apart.

First, let's not confuse either of these places with a "driving range." I consider a driving range a place where committed golfers go to practice.

These type places are essentially bowling alleys for golf, where you go with friends to toss back beers and participate in a game that all in the group may or may not be good at.

As far as demand, the one in west Houston near my hometown is ridiculously packed 24/7, it's insane.


Top Golf makes Skybox Golf look like a normal "Driving range". Skybox golf is pretty lame in comparison, buts thats just my opinion. Targeting southsiders seems like a safer investment.

Sounds like the Chisholm Creek development will be starting soon. Should start seeing infrastructure work begin soon if this will be opening in about a year.

I believe they are already putting in roads and other infrastructure.

Wouldn't be surprised to see an official announcement about Cabela's soon.

I believe they are already putting in roads and other infrastructure.


You sure you're not confusing some of the work going on for St. Anthony's?

I believe they are already putting in roads and other infrastructure.

Wouldn't be surprised to see an official announcement about Cabela's soon.

Should we create a new thread for Chisholm Creek or will we just have individual threads on each tenant within the development?

I only ask cause I took a picture of the elevator cores for the hospital there and I don't really know where to place that picture.

Should we create a new thread for Chisholm Creek or will we just have individual threads on each tenant within the development?

I only ask cause I took a picture of the elevator cores for the hospital there and I don't really know where to place that picture.

Yeah, I'll create one for Chisholm Creek as there is already a lot going on there.

Thanks for all the photos!

Yeah, I'll create one for Chisholm Creek as there is already a lot going on there.

Thanks for all the photos!

Not a problem. There are more, but I'm not a fan of all of them ;-)

TopGolf coming to Northwest OKC | News OK (http://newsok.com/look-whats-coming-to-oklahoma-city/article/3927858)


TopGolf projects the Oklahoma City location will serve about 425,000 visitors during its first year.


Dallas-based TopGolf was founded in 2000 and has 10 locations that serve more than 2 million customers each year.

Is this fuzzy math? 2 million customers over 10 locations but the OKC location is going to 20% of that in one year?

Is this fuzzy math? 2 million customers over 10 locations but the OKC location is going to 20% of that in one year?

Maybe the 425,000 includes repeat visitors, while the 2,000,000 refers to unique customers.

I'm looking forward to this!

Top Golf is the real deal. Skybox is trailer park class.

Top Golf is the real deal. Skybox is trailer park class.

Skybox hasn't been built yet, so how in the hell could you possible think this?

Skybox hasn't been built yet, so how in the hell could you possible think this?

I'd assume they're basing it on the fact that they've been to a previously built TopGolf location and they assume that even a locally owned venture providing the same services as a TopGolf under another name will be of no competition.

I'm sure Skybox will be nice... They have already lined up a great operator for the food portion.

It would just be smaller and won't have nearly the marketing muscle as TopGolf.

I've seen the plans and they designed it knowing they'd be competing with top golf. Anything but trailer park..

Top Golf is the real deal. Skybox is trailer park class.Well, from the renderings, Skybox looks pretty cool. I highly doubt it will be associated with the likes of trailer park trash.

Skybox does look cool, I just don't know about it being so close to TopGolf. They would probably be better off in Moore or Norman.

Just checked the Chisholm Creek site and it looks like the new site plan has moved the Top Golf to directly behind the new St. Anthony's Healthplex instead of farther back in the new development. It's closer to where the Cabela's was rumored to be. As an aside, it also looks like the area where the Costco was supposed to go doesn't look like a Costco anymore.
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Rumors floating around:

TopGolf has threatened to sue Skybox for stealing TopGolf secret
information. I cant imagine Skybox will take them on.

TopGolf has interviewed a couple of big OKC law firms to file suit against
Skybox. Question is when and how deep into the group of Skybox insiders
and investors will the suit go.

Supposedly, TopGolf very excited about coming to Oklahoma City. Rumor has
it that they think this "small market" may turn out to be their best
location.

Sounds somewhat like a Taco Cabana/Two Pesos situation.

Skybox hasn't been built yet, so how in the hell could you possible think this?

Having been a customer at other Top Golf locations they are the premiere real deal. There is only one Tiffanys Jewelers all others are posers. Likewise Top Golf is the upper, upper level of the genre and NOBODY will every top what they have. Like the Warren Theater in Moore beats ALL others in the OKC area.

Having been a customer at other Top Golf locations they are the premiere real deal. There is only one Tiffanys Jewelers all others are posers. Likewise Top Golf is the upper, upper level of the genre and NOBODY will every top what they have. Like the Warren Theater in Moore beats ALL others in the OKC area.

Like the old bookstore in 'The Neverending Story' that Sebastian stole the book from...is greater than any bookstore in the world!

Found out the exact location of TopGolf (bottom lower right below):

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I wanna go to their bar, drink and complain to them about golf being on their TVs.

Cool....so its going to face to the east then so downtown will be more visible from the northern most bays.

Love where they moved it. The blueprints showed it facing north.

Wonder how that will affect turnout on windier days? Statistically OKC has either a strong north or strong south wind. Very rare east or west. Meaning people will have a direct strong crosswind factor almost any day of the week. At least facing north or south you can average good and bad days depending on wind direction, but to fight a stiff crosswind every day seems kind of the worst orientation.

Wonder how that will affect turnout on windier days? Statistically OKC has either a strong north or strong south wind. Very rare east or west. Meaning people will have a direct strong crosswind factor almost any day of the week. At least facing north or south you can average good and bad days depending on wind direction, but to fight a stiff crosswind every day seems kind of the worst orientation.

That is a lot better than the wind blowing directly into your face. Went to TopGolf in The Colony in January. Normal windy day with probably 20mph winds. I am pretty sure we were facing East while hitting. Yes, we kind of had to play the wind with our shot, but nothing your are not use to if you play any golf in OK. With our food and drinks and just sheer comfort level, I am certainly glad the wind was not blowing in our face. In fact, due to the curved setup we did not feel the wind at all. I think they are spot on with this. Keep your customers comfortable 1st, worry about the wind effecting the golf ball 2nd.

Wonder how that will affect turnout on windier days? Statistically OKC has either a strong north or strong south wind. Very rare east or west. Meaning people will have a direct strong crosswind factor almost any day of the week. At least facing north or south you can average good and bad days depending on wind direction, but to fight a stiff crosswind every day seems kind of the worst orientation.

But with an afternoon or evening plus summertime focus, hitting away from the setting sun will be much more pleasant. Also, the wind generally settles in the evening. I think it will be fine.

^ True. I'm just thinking of every time I go out to the golf course I go to to drive (S 89th and Shields). It faces the east, and going there in the spring and fall is just awful. The strong crosswinds make it very difficult to tell exactly how well you are driving, since the ball can go 60-70 feet off course on what would be a straight drive.

True, but it won't matter when you're drunk.

The defense rests his case.

TopGolf has submitted it's final plans for approval:



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Is this a new concept?

Is this a new concept?

It looks a bit different on the outside than the ones most recently built in Texas.

Might just be a branding / logo change more than a new concept.

Looking forward to its opening.

This one from the front looks a lot like the one in Katy. Thought it was interesting, like down there, to have a big staircase to enter when everyone is carrying golf bags

bids for construction turn in next Friday...it's happening!

When in the world are they going to start this thing (Development)? Been to the one in Austin, it was awesome.

Probably by the end of the year. They just now started road construction.

$8 million building permit application filed today for this project.

Should be getting underway soon.

Very Nice!!!! If i'm not mistaken, the one in Austin cost around 15 Million to Complete. Maybe because of location??

Very Nice!!!! If i'm not mistaken, the one in Austin cost around 15 Million to Complete. Maybe because of location??

Since building permit prices are tied to the cost of the job, permit applicants can be known to list a project as cheaper than it really is.

Also, building permits do not include the cost of land and furniture, fixtures and equipment.

Often, the building permit only represents about one-half to two-thirds of the total project cost.

Permit for construction trailer for this project today.

They will be starting work very soon, if they haven't already.

awesome. should be ready for spring

Permit for construction trailer for this project today.

They will be starting work very soon, if they haven't already.

The only work I have seen is for the infrastructure/new roads for the entire development.