Right but this development would have been much different having a mixed use component that draws retailers to it versus what could arguably be called a glorified strip mall.

The problem is that the same could be said about the existing Spring Creek, so when you're asking the public to approve rezoning to double its size, it's reasonable that people might be a little suspicious of field of dream type promises.

Maybe maybe not but I don’t think those who opposed it cared either way if tenants were announced or not.

Maybe not the core opposition, but there are a lot of voters who could have been persuaded one way or another...

Maybe not the core opposition, but there are a lot of voters who could have been persuaded one way or another...
That’s a good point. The developer probably didn’t expect this to go the way it did.

That's another difficulty. It's easy to get people motivated to oppose something, especially if they think if affects them. But people typically aren't going to go around and knock-on doors, hang signs, and such in support of a development. So the developers have to be their own cheerleaders, and also rely on the local Chamber and such. Edmond doesn't have a local paper any longer, so nothing that will carry the water to promote these types of developments. Maybe someone could put together a pro-development group in Edmond to build some grass root support for some of the projects?

I seem to recall most of the city government supporting it. The at the time mayor Charles Lamb supported it and so did the chamber of commerce. I recall them actively engaging in combating against the campaign to shoot the development down.

Yeah I agree, POAG could have done a bit more to promote this.

Pardon my ignorance here but what is the Milhause development? Is that The Lark?

Pardon my ignorance here but what is the Milhause development? Is that The Lark?


https://agenda.edmondok.com:8086/docs/2021/CEUDB/20210914_11252/11251_Packet%20for%20Sept.%202021.pdf

Oh wow that is very exciting! Had no idea about that. I have been slacking in checking the city minutes I need to get back on the ball with that again.

I was excited about the 6 story parking garage that's part of that project, but only 48 spots on the first floor will be for public parking, from what I'm reading. I mean, that's fine, and some new parking is cool, but I'd love to see a fully public parking garage downtown.

I was excited about the 6 story parking garage that's part of that project, but only 48 spots on the first floor will be for public parking, from what I'm reading. I mean, that's fine, and some new parking is cool, but I'd love to see a fully public parking garage downtown.
Edmond was planning a public garage downtown. I don’t know what the status is.

I know it was discussed, but did it every get approved or into the planning stage? I know they were considering the lot near the new police station at one point.

I haven’t kept up with the downtown developments. When Lamb was mayor they had indeed proposed it near the former police station along with a performing arts center. The police station was going to become the new city hall and the current city hall in the old church building would be demolished for structured parking garage IIRC. The performing arts center idea has been put on an indefinite hold if it’s not completely dead. I don’t think any of those things got past the studying phase.

I do seem to remember a city managers report within the last 6 months or so signaling the city still plans to develop the old police station lot as well as looking into offering incentives for a boutique hotel somewhere in downtown. They are still trying to get the downtown street lighting thing going.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/would-banning-single-family-zoning-really-solve-the-housing-crisis-223207110.html

Interesting article on the zoning debate.

Any updates on this? Seems to be a pretty strong need for a grocery store in this part of Edmond?

Any updates on this? Seems to be a pretty strong need for a grocery store in this part of Edmond?

last i heard they were waiting on steel

last i heard they were waiting on steel

Pandemic slowed this process by 12-18 months. Crest is going before planning commission in May last I heard. If things move along as hoped probably looking at a Late Spring/Early Summer 23' opening.........

Pandemic slowed this process by 12-18 months. Crest is going before planning commission in May last I heard. If things move along as hoped probably looking at a Late Spring/Early Summer 23' opening.........

good deal thank you for the info ..

Has any work started at all yet, any site work?

Has any work started at all yet, any site work?

they spent a ton of time and money a few years ago prepping the site ..

they spent a ton of time and money a few years ago prepping the site ..

If all goes well with City of Edmond I would expect activity starting no later than June given all I have been told. Crest # 9 in Yukon was built start to finish in 10 months which is very fast for a structure that large. If things can go that quickly on this location with no unforeseen supply chain issues hopefully Store # 10 is open by April 23'.........

If all goes well with City of Edmond I would expect activity starting no later than June given all I have been told. Crest # 9 in Yukon was built start to finish in 10 months which is very fast for a structure that large. If things can go that quickly on this location with no unforeseen supply chain issues hopefully Store # 10 is open by April 23'.........

great news thank you

This project will soon be moving forward with incentives apparently:

https://www.facebook.com/100000136123063/posts/pfbid0iTyRA6FS6UQZHUkxCFVQZKsczDeini9o4fby1RNVibLF NtXA34nLkUFDN9wdqCgvl/?d=n

The plans are posted in that link

Finally. I just need the second Crest so everyone will quit shopping at mine! :D

Finally. I just need the second Crest so everyone will quit shopping at mine! :D
Hah my grandma will be one of those. She always shops at the one on Santa Fe.

I know that Crest has had this land forever and they are finally moving on it.....BUT, in an effort for efficient city planning, it would make sense for them to build in the already established Legacy at Covell (Showbiz Cinema Center). Stoplights, turn lanes, and right of way already exists. Plus, building it 500 yards east with I-35 curb appeal, would be conveneint for those who travel from Guthrie and further north to get groceries.

Instead, throw up another building on a corner, fight the NIMBYs, and create more unnecessary congestion at Sooner and Covell, there should have been an effort to group this together in already existing zoned commercial.

I know that Crest has had this land forever and they are finally moving on it.....BUT, in an effort for efficient city planning, it would make sense for them to build in the already established Legacy at Covell (Showbiz Cinema Center). Stoplights, turn lanes, and right of way already exists. Plus, building it 500 yards east with I-35 curb appeal, would be conveneint for those who travel from Guthrie and further north to get groceries.

Instead, throw up another building on a corner, fight the NIMBYs, and create more unnecessary congestion at Sooner and Covell, there should have been an effort to group this together in already existing zoned commercial.

Crest has already spent millions of dollars on this land to ready it for this build .. this is also NOT on the hard corner

I don’t think they’re fighting any NIMBYs either on this which is a shocker given it being Edmond and all.

I know that Crest has had this land forever and they are finally moving on it.....BUT, in an effort for efficient city planning, it would make sense for them to build in the already established Legacy at Covell (Showbiz Cinema Center). Stoplights, turn lanes, and right of way already exists. Plus, building it 500 yards east with I-35 curb appeal, would be conveneint for those who travel from Guthrie and further north to get groceries.

Instead, throw up another building on a corner, fight the NIMBYs, and create more unnecessary congestion at Sooner and Covell, there should have been an effort to group this together in already existing zoned commercial.

But the real world free market doesnt work like your version of Sim City. Besides, all of the things you mention are hardly concerns. Sooner and Covell is an intersection of section line roads, why would something like this not be good for this intersection? Congestion is going to come to this intersection in the near future regardless of Crest, get used to it. And acting like it inconveniences shoppers becuase its 500 yards from the interstate is funny.

I don’t think they’re fighting any NIMBYs either on this which is a shocker given it being Edmond and all.

true, but a Crest is not an apartment complex or a similarly dense multi-family use.

true, but a Crest is not an apartment complex or a similarly dense multi-family use.

Yep, and people have to eat and right now the only convenient grocery store in this area is Walmart.

true, but a Crest is not an apartment complex or a similarly dense multi-family use.

Reasor's Grocery Store tried expanding to Edmond years ago at 15th and Bryant as an extension to Spring Creek. Resident's near by were up in arms about a 24 hour grocery store. Crest will be 24 hours, but I think will be welcomed given their history.

Reasor's Grocery Store tried expanding to Edmond years ago at 15th and Bryant as an extension to Spring Creek. Resident's near by were up in arms about a 24 hour grocery store. Crest will be 24 hours, but I think will be welcomed given their history.

Part of the reason there was such a fight against the Reasor's is that when Spring Creek was developed (against a fair amount of community opposition) a commitment was made that there would not be 24 hour businesses located there. And said promise lasted until developers saw an opportunity to break it, as normal. Which is why I don't ever take promises from developers with any level of faith.

Part of the reason there was such a fight against the Reasor's is that when Spring Creek was developed (against a fair amount of community opposition) a commitment was made that there would not be 24 hour businesses located there. And said promise lasted until developers saw an opportunity to break it, as normal. Which is why I don't ever take promises from developers with any level of faith.
There shouldn’t have even been that ridiculous promise to begin with. Edmond is so anti development when it comes to anything other than cookie cutter tract housing or strip malls. Yes there are a few exceptions and it’s getting better around downtown with more stuff being built but historically when developments like this are turned down here it isn’t because of any “significant” opposition it’s the people using low voter turnout tactics in hopes other people around the city will vote in favor of the typical anti development, increased crime, and more traffic trope.

Downtown Edmond projects have been easier to get done because there are no major housing additions immediately adjacent.

All that land is already commercial, so much clearer path.

There shouldn’t have even been that ridiculous promise to begin with. Edmond is so anti development when it comes to anything other than cookie cutter tract housing or strip malls. Yes there are a few exceptions and it’s getting better around downtown with more stuff being built but historically when developments like this are turned down here it isn’t because of any “significant” opposition it’s the people using low voter turnout tactics in hopes other people around the city will vote in favor of the typical anti development, increased crime, and more traffic trope.

Go figure... people like to keep their residential areas... residential. There used to be houses where Spring Creek Village was (my uncle lived in one of those houses). There were still houses between the Aquatic Center and what became Spring Creek Plaza. That whole spring creek corner was largely rezoned to make it commercial. It wasn't originally that way, and it is an area right next to what was the most significant park in Edmond at the time. It was entirely reasonable to have restrictions on hours and such as part of the approval process. Light pollution is a valid concern for homeowners and as such it's perfectly fine to address it (just like traffic and such) during the process.

Go figure... people like to keep their residential areas... residential. There used to be houses where Spring Creek Village was (my uncle lived in one of those houses). There were still houses between the Aquatic Center and what became Spring Creek Plaza. That whole spring creek corner was largely rezoned to make it commercial. It wasn't originally that way, and it is an area right next to what was the most significant park in Edmond at the time. It was entirely reasonable to have restrictions on hours and such as part of the approval process. Light pollution is a valid concern for homeowners and as such it's perfectly fine to address it (just like traffic and such) during the process.
“People like to keep residential areas residential”

Except that this wasn’t residential and was zoned for commercial. You’re acting like they proposed this in the middle of a neighborhood. It’s literally proposed on a prominent corner of two major arterials.

“People like to keep residential areas residential”

Except that this wasn’t residential and was zoned for commercial. You’re acting like they proposed this in the middle of a neighborhood. It’s literally proposed on a prominent corner of two major arterials.

But again, as I explained in my post, it wasn't when they originally made that agreement. That agreement came about because they were literally tearing down houses in that area and converting lots to commercial.

Now, at this point, that area is now longer residential, and it hasn't been for about 25 years, which is why I was fine with the proposed expansion (and even supported it), so I think it's an uphill battle for folks to fight new development there still, but I'm not gonna begrudge anyone for protecting their own interests.

But again, as I explained in my post, it wasn't when they originally made that agreement. That agreement came about because they were literally tearing down houses in that area and converting lots to commercial.

Now, at this point, that area is now longer residential, and it hasn't been for about 25 years, which is why I was fine with the proposed expansion (and even supported it), so I think it's an uphill battle for folks to fight new development there still, but I'm not gonna begrudge anyone for protecting their own interests.
I mean I’m sure there were farmers and people that owned large acreage lots who weren’t happy with the current residential that exists today. Did you see the comments for the east side plan? Lots of people out there aren’t happy with the current development happening and that’s just single family residential. But I don’t see outrage on the news against that.

I still think most people support these kinds of developments and it’s a small but unfortunately vocal group who get them stopped. To me there’s a line between protecting your own interests and being selfish. The increase in traffic and noise is coming regardless of the proposed development or not.

Go figure... people like to keep their residential areas... residential. There used to be houses where Spring Creek Village was (my uncle lived in one of those houses). There were still houses between the Aquatic Center and what became Spring Creek Plaza. That whole spring creek corner was largely rezoned to make it commercial. It wasn't originally that way, and it is an area right next to what was the most significant park in Edmond at the time. It was entirely reasonable to have restrictions on hours and such as part of the approval process. Light pollution is a valid concern for homeowners and as such it's perfectly fine to address it (just like traffic and such) during the process.

Sure, unless smaller lots and denser housing is proposed next to bigger lots with bigger homes. Then even residential next to residential is bad. NIMBY comes from people of all walks of life, but theres no denying that parts of Edmond take it next level.

I also dont remember the several houses at 15th and bryant. Once corner used to be a home with a goat farm, the other had one house on 20+ acres. Like I mentioned above, these are section line road intersections, of course commercial should be expected at some point. ScottK arguing against Crest being at one of these major intersections because it should be 500ft to the east is just an unreasonable take no matter how you look at it.

I also dont remember the several houses at 15th and bryant.

On the west side of the road (N of 15th) there were multiple, including one my uncle lived in until the mid/late 90's. The East side wasn't as heavily developed (although my childhood best friend's family lived on a large lot just south of the Aquatic Center there). But regardless, at one point that was all mostly zoned residential, and when folks want to convert residential to commercial, they make agreements like not having giant parking lots lit 24 hours a day and such. It doesn't mean that developments can't and shouldn't happen. We're just talking about agreements that lead to the developers being good neighbors Of course, those agreements tend to have no enforcement mechanisms so they're essentially worthless in the long run. But if you can remember what that intersection was like just 20+ years ago, then it shouldn't be unreasonable that they made some promises to the neighbors right there that they wouldn't have a 24 hour business/drive at that intersection. Whether that agreement still makes sense today is another discussion, but it was perfectly reasonable at the time.

Sure, unless smaller lots and denser housing is proposed next to bigger lots with bigger homes. Then even residential next to residential is bad. NIMBY comes from people of all walks of life, but theres no denying that parts of Edmond take it next level.

I wasn't speaking about people being NIMBYs or anything else, or supporting or opposing development. I was responding to the comment about the "ridiculous promise" that was made by the developers about 24 hour operations. Period.

Crest now has a "coming soon" sign up at this location

Crest now has a "coming soon" sign up at this location

https://agenda.edmondok.com:8086/docs/2022/PC/20220607_16681/16555%5FSP22%2D00014%20Crest%20pcAttachments%206%2 D7%2D2022%2Epdf

Goes before planning commission on 7th. As expected looks like clone of Yukon store

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/crest090620h.jpg


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http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/crest090620j.jpg

This arae is a bit of a step up from the Kickingbird Cinema and Homeland which used to serve this area.

After about 7 or 8 years and something like $17 million in TIF money given to the Showbiz and Hilton, Edmond finally has something else worthwhile coming to Covell and 35. But did I hear they were giving Crest a good sized TIF package now too?

Well look at that News 9 actually credits OKCTalk: https://www.news9.com/story/629d486d1c117b079d748116/crest-foods-grocery-store-coming-soon-to-edmond-

Well look at that News 9 actually credits OKCTalk: https://www.news9.com/story/629d486d1c117b079d748116/crest-foods-grocery-store-coming-soon-to-edmond-

Legally, they are still not allowed to lift our images and content without written approval.

Stay tuned.

Legally, they are still not allowed to lift our images and content without written approval.

Stay tuned.

That has to be frustrating. You go out and do all this work to fly your drone, take the picture, and then do the graphics on the picture just to have them lift it.

Should be blessed by Edmond City Council on June 27th with construction beginning within 30 days. Depending on supply chain a 12-14 month construction timeline is what is expected. Crest # 9 which opened October 20' in Yukon was built in 10 months but everything fell perfectly on that store. Weather, materials, etc all cooperated.

Should be blessed by Edmond City Council on June 27th with construction beginning within 30 days. Depending on supply chain a 12-14 month construction timeline is what is expected. Crest # 9 which opened October 20' in Yukon was built in 10 months but everything fell perfectly on that store. Weather, materials, etc all cooperated.

thank you for the update

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/crest090620j.jpg

I wonder what this place will turn into after the next twenty years. Throw in a bit of density and walkability and you might have a little something. It'll be like Buckhead to Atlanta, or maybe even Ft. Worth to Dallas if they play their cards right. But if they plan on being conservative, I guess it'll be like Chisolm Creek.

Those 4-lane roads have to be there for more than a few outlets and a movie theater.

I wonder what this place will turn into after the next twenty years. Throw in a bit of density and walkability and you might have a little something. It'll be like Buckhead to Atlanta, or maybe even Ft. Worth to Dallas if they play their cards right. But if they plan on being conservative, I guess it'll be like Chisolm Creek.

Those 4-lane roads have to be there for more than a few outlets and a movie theater.

just a note but Buckhead is part of Atlanta proper ..

I wonder what this place will turn into after the next twenty years. Throw in a bit of density and walkability and you might have a little something. It'll be like Buckhead to Atlanta, or maybe even Ft. Worth to Dallas if they play their cards right. But if they plan on being conservative, I guess it'll be like Chisolm Creek.

Those 4-lane roads have to be there for more than a few outlets and a movie theater.

I'd like to think it is just the City of Edmond having a little better vision of growth and moving forward building infrastructure out where it needs to be for the next 40-50 years. Don't forget a 4th Edmond High School is planned at Covell & Midwest Blvd probably in the next 5 years 2-3 miles east of this intersection. All that area between I-35 east from 2nd Street to Waterloo will explode with neighborhoods the next 10-20 years.

If you have been in Edmond long enough, you remember what it looked like around Crest # 3 (15th & Sante Fe) back in 97' when it opened. There was basically nothing west of that intersection and now look at the density of homes/businesses on 15th Street/NW 164th west to May Avenue........Crazy growth

Ground breaking ceremony with City leaders is on August 30th.........

Ground breaking ceremony with City leaders is on August 30th.........

good deal thanks

I'd like to think it is just the City of Edmond having a little better vision of growth and moving forward building infrastructure out where it needs to be for the next 40-50 years. Don't forget a 4th Edmond High School is planned at Covell & Midwest Blvd probably in the next 5 years 2-3 miles east of this intersection. All that area between I-35 east from 2nd Street to Waterloo will explode with neighborhoods the next 10-20 years.

The fourth high school will be one mile to the east on the southeast corner of Covell and Air Depot. Across the street from the Fire Training Center.

The fourth high school will be one mile to the east on the southeast corner of Covell and Air Depot. Across the street from the Fire Training Center.

Thanks for the update. Hopefully that High School being built can accelerate some quality restaurants going in on those 4-5 plots north of the McDonalds and Braums just west of Covell and Sooner. Perhaps a Charleston's for a quality eatery in North Edmond so you an avoid driving to the southside or west side of Edmond which is a nightmare from a traffic perspective.

The fourth high school will be one mile to the east on the southeast corner of Covell and Air Depot. Across the street from the Fire Training Center.

I think that was the original plan but I think that is up in the air what kind of school they are going to build there. Their website says it is to be determined.

https://edmondschools.net/our-schools/upcoming-projects/