didn't they do the same with that Walmart several years ago on Coltrane and Covell

Yeah, Ashforde Oaks wanted a pretty large landscaping / sound barrier to be installed between the neighborhood and the Walmart. My understanding is it wouldn’t have been commercially reasonable (less parking, smaller store footprint, etc.) so WM walked.

Yeah, Ashforde Oaks wanted a pretty large landscaping / sound barrier to be installed between the neighborhood and the Walmart. My understanding is it wouldn’t have been commercially reasonable (less parking, smaller store footprint, etc.) so WM walked.

Wasnt there a lawsuit involved? I was thinking walmart sued because they had followed all code requirements but was still denied approval. Maybe Im thinking of another place.

Wasnt there a lawsuit involved? I was thinking walmart sued because they had followed all code requirements but was still denied approval. Maybe Im thinking of another place.

I think it stopped short of a lawsuit. Initial site plan was voted down at the Edmond City Council, and I think the HOA pushed back pretty hard on the revised plan.

If the Neighborhood Walmart grocery store been approved for that small corner lot -there is no way Crest would have built on Sooner and Covell. Looks like all things worked out for the better. And yes, I saw the drawing for a fairly large apartment complex to be built between the theater and hotel. Looked like it would be a good fit without neighbors getting kinked about it since it wouldn't back up to a neighborhood.

I don’t think that’s true. I also think that neighborhood market should’ve been built. Not sure why they walked but they were willing to fund the infrastructure improvements at Coltrane and Covell to be a four lane through streets with turn lanes, traffic signals, and basically everything Edmond plans to do similar to other projects along Covell.

I lived in Asheforde Oaks at the time. Very nice neighborhood and nice people. But typical Edmond NIMBYs. Signs all over the neighborhood about it and I’d bet eating a hat many of those same people admittedly against it would’ve shopped there eventually if it was built. Such a damn shame it wasn’t. It would’ve saved me personally gas and time instead of having to go to Homeland or further.

Just another example of the Edmond way.

If the Neighborhood Walmart grocery store been approved for that small corner lot -there is no way Crest would have built on Sooner and Covell. Looks like all things worked out for the better. And yes, I saw the drawing for a fairly large apartment complex to be built between the theater and hotel. Looked like it would be a good fit without neighbors getting kinked about it since it wouldn't back up to a neighborhood.

There is a Walmart Neighborhood Market at 164th and Western, one mile west of Crest at 15th and Santa Fe, both seem to be doing just fine.

The Crest at I-35 will pull from a much larger area outside of Edmond.
Guthrie, Stillwater, and many others who travel to OKC from the north on the weekend will make it a stop for groceries and prices they can't find in their smaller communities.

Multi family units being proposed along sooner north of covell
https://agenda.edmondok.com:8086/agenda_publish.cfm?id=&mt=ALL&get_month=5&get_year=2023&dsp=agm&seq=18135&rev=0&ag=25262&ln=125573&nseq=18138&nrev=0&pseq=18134&prev=0#

Multi family units being proposed along sooner north of covell
https://agenda.edmondok.com:8086/agenda_publish.cfm?id=&mt=ALL&get_month=5&get_year=2023&dsp=agm&seq=18135&rev=0&ag=25262&ln=125573&nseq=18138&nrev=0&pseq=18134&prev=0#

Its just off I35, in an area that has had road and infrastructure improvements, and its in a more commercial area and doesnt abut single family homes. I guess the only NIMBY argument left is crowding the schools. Will be interesting to hear what angle NIMBYs take on this one.

Its just off I35, in an area that has had road and infrastructure improvements, and its in a more commercial area and doesnt abut single family homes. I guess the only NIMBY argument left is crowding the schools. Will be interesting to hear what angle NIMBYs take on this one.

Not a fan of large apt complexes but I’m hoping maybe this will spur commercial development. I would love a decent restaurant and other conveniences. We’ve lived here almost 6 years and I thought it would of started by now. I used to blame Covid but think something else is at play with the large piece of land … like they don’t really want to divide it or are asking a fortune.

Not a fan of large apt complexes but I’m hoping maybe this will spur commercial development. I would love a decent restaurant and other conveniences. We’ve lived here almost 6 years and I thought it would of started by now. I used to blame Covid but think something else is at play with the large piece of land … like they don’t really want to divide it or are asking a fortune.

Rumor among some city offices was a well known business was interested in the strip on the north side of Covell, running from the freeway to the light at Braums but it was said the land owner wanted an out of your mind price for it so the company said hard pass.

Not a fan of large apt complexes but I’m hoping maybe this will spur commercial development. I would love a decent restaurant and other conveniences. We’ve lived here almost 6 years and I thought it would of started by now. I used to blame Covid but think something else is at play with the large piece of land … like they don’t really want to divide it or are asking a fortune.

And for the past 6 years homeowners moving to the area have paid hefty premiums over "potential" in the area when there is nothing TOO much to warranty the premium. Yet.

And for the past 6 years homeowners moving to the area have paid hefty premiums over "potential" in the area when there is nothing TOO much to warranty the premium. Yet.

mostly for the schools ..

Multi family units being proposed along sooner north of covell
https://agenda.edmondok.com:8086/agenda_publish.cfm?id=&mt=ALL&get_month=5&get_year=2023&dsp=agm&seq=18135&rev=0&ag=25262&ln=125573&nseq=18138&nrev=0&pseq=18134&prev=0#

I thought they were putting Condo's between the Hotel and Theatre. Honestly, unless they are high end apartments that sucks for that area imo.

I thought they were putting Condo's between the Hotel and Theatre. Honestly, unless they are high end apartments that sucks for that area imo.

I agree. Ideally there’d be 2nd and 3rd level residential with ground level shopping along walkable pathways between the theater and conference center. But it’s Edmond… so…

I agree. Ideally there’d be 2nd and 3rd level residential with ground level shopping along walkable pathways between the theater and conference center. But it’s Edmond… so…
That’s what the plan is unless it’s changed.

There is a Walmart Neighborhood Market at 164th and Western, one mile west of Crest at 15th and Santa Fe, both seem to be doing just fine.

The Crest at I-35 will pull from a much larger area outside of Edmond.
Guthrie, Stillwater, and many others who travel to OKC from the north on the weekend will make it a stop for groceries and prices they can't find in their smaller communities.

Yes a similar situation in Moore

also is this supposed to be a 24 hour location?

Yes a similar situation in Moore

also is this supposed to be a 24 hour location?

yes it is

I don't see why they had a problem with the Walmart also I have a feeling that the Faircloud HOA to the south may have also played a part in Walmart backing out. also I do not know if this is related but around the same time the Walmart location in question was starting to receive push back plans were submitted for a similar store on Santa Fe Ave and SW 134th/SW 4th St in SW Oklahoma City & Far West Moore

Another Mercy ER Is there already one near S 15th and I35 or they shutting that down
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Another Mercy ER Is there already one near S 15th and I35 or they shutting that down
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Can't imagine they are shutting that down, it's pretty new and I think part of it was rebuilt after the Edmond tornado about 10 years ago. Since it will have an ER versus just an Urgent Care, maybe they are trying to shift resources from the Logan County Mercy in West Guthrie as this would serve both Logan County and north Edmond?

Another Mercy ER Is there already one near S 15th and I35 or they shutting that down
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how old is this graphic??

the mcd has been open for a long long time ..

I don't believe this graphic is up to date. Mercy may still own this land but no plans have been brought forward. Missing the animal hospital/center behind McDonalds.

I’m surprised nothing new announced for this area yet. I wonder if once Crest opens that will be a catalyst for more development with increased traffic counts to attract developers.

Things that I think would do great in this area to name a few from my wish list since I’m moving to this area in the next 6-8 months.

Home depot would kill it with the draw from the new homes out east and up to Guthrie and beyond.
Gym such as planet fitness or Vasa preferably Vasa
Restaurants such as Hideaway, Charleston’s, Texas Roadhouse. Many many others as well would be good
Sonic would do good here as well

I do feel this area is prime for development but it’s just a matter of when.

I-35 in Edmond had so much potential. Bayer was supposed to build a Summit lifestyle center. Then, nothing. It is amazing how many upscale retail developments have either never materialized or were killed by rich people (NIMBYs). This area will now turn into cookie-cutter mid-upscale housing developments and strip malls. It is sad.

. This area will now turn into cookie-cutter mid-upscale housing developments and strip malls. It is sad.

It is Edmond.

Build the least controversial, most generic things. NIMBY's love generic donut shops, nail salons, and dry cleaners.

I-35 in Edmond had so much potential. Bayer was supposed to build a Summit lifestyle center. Then, nothing. It is amazing how many upscale retail developments have either never materialized or were killed by rich people (NIMBYs). This area will now turn into cookie-cutter mid-upscale housing developments and strip malls. It is sad.

exactly. it could have been a reasonably cool area if the City had put its foot down to stop the offset protests, but it's going to end up looking a lot like the intersection of West 15th Street x N. Santa Fe Ave. Awfully vanilla developments with no real density to speak of.

I thought they were putting Condo's between the Hotel and Theatre. Honestly, unless they are high end apartments that sucks for that area imo.

These are single family rental townhomes. 102 units with a clubhouse/pool. They should be very popular as there isn’t anything else like that in the area

I-35 in Edmond had so much potential. Bayer was supposed to build a Summit lifestyle center. Then, nothing.

Didn't Edmond end up having to cancel that agreement last year because the developers never moved on it?

Didn't Edmond end up having to cancel that agreement last year because the developers never moved on it?

Maybe so, but it is a microcosm of Edmond. There have been similar developments proposed for Spring Creek. And that got killed. There was another lifestyle center proposed for that I-35 area, as well.

Maybe so, but it is a microcosm of Edmond. There have been similar developments proposed for Spring Creek. And that got killed. There was another lifestyle center proposed for that I-35 area, as well.

The double edged sword of the low bar of Edmond's citizen initiative process means a minority can off times disrupt or delay development. The reality is that folks never want a giant big development in their backyard. But that's not unique to Edmond, or else we wouldn't have a national housing crisis. IMO the biggest thing that will prevent a business coming to Edmond is the competition of the Memorial corridor. That's hard to compete with and Edmond doesn't have the traffic counts (especially the daytime) even if it's gotten better. Outback didn't move from Broadway to Memorial and Penn due to zoning or nimby's - I expect they did so because the financials made more sense.

What's funny is that I can easily find boards and groups (like several of the citizens groups) where people sit around and complain that all Edmond does is listen to the developers and let them build and do whatever they want (this obviously isn't true).

IMO the biggest thing that will prevent a business coming to Edmond is the competition of the Memorial corridor. That's hard to compete with and Edmond doesn't have the traffic counts (especially the daytime) even if it's gotten better. Outback didn't move from Broadway to Memorial and Penn due to zoning or nimby's - I expect they did so because the financials made more sense..

I think with Edmond city limits pushing 100k, and growth on the north side of Oklahoma County and southern Logan County, I think there would be enough density and distance to make Covell to 15th along I-35 a corridor like Memorial and Penn. Half of the stuff is already built with a Sam's Club, Wal Mart, Showbiz Theatre, Hospitals, etc.

I think Outback moved to Memorial because there was a parcel and better "stopping" traffic along Memorial corridor for a chain restaurant. South of 33rd and Broadway is a difficult sell for any food place since traffic is flying by at 60 MPH and few in Edmond "back track" down to the south end to eat.

Also, Memorial with QSM, and an abundance of chain store shopping with easy access off the turnpike, Outback probably gets a lot of traffic from out of town visitors who don't venture far from what the "safe", yet predictable food fare.

There is a sign at 122nd and I-35 telling people to visit the new Dennys at I-35 and Covell..i think the sign has been there a while, but never see a Dennys at I-35 and Covell being built??? Anybody know anything about this? Sorry if this has been discussed before.

There is a sign at 122nd and I-35 telling people to visit the new Dennys at I-35 and Covell..i think the sign has been there a while, but never see a Dennys at I-35 and Covell being built??? Anybody know anything about this? Sorry if this has been discussed before.

That wasn’t a dennys. That was a McDonald’s.

There is a sign at 122nd and I-35 telling people to visit the new Dennys at I-35 and Covell..i think the sign has been there a while, but never see a Dennys at I-35 and Covell being built??? Anybody know anything about this? Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Dennys? Do you mean this at the Now Shuttered McDonalds
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I think with Edmond city limits pushing 100k, and growth on the north side of Oklahoma County and southern Logan County, I think there would be enough density and distance to make Covell to 15th along I-35 a corridor like Memorial and Penn. Half of the stuff is already built with a Sam's Club, Wal Mart, Showbiz Theatre, Hospitals, etc.

I think Outback moved to Memorial because there was a parcel and better "stopping" traffic along Memorial corridor for a chain restaurant. South of 33rd and Broadway is a difficult sell for any food place since traffic is flying by at 60 MPH and few in Edmond "back track" down to the south end to eat.

Also, Memorial with QSM, and an abundance of chain store shopping with easy access off the turnpike, Outback probably gets a lot of traffic from out of town visitors who don't venture far from what the "safe", yet predictable food fare.

The Stuff along Kilpatrick Turnpike is the booming part of town right now, In 10-15 years, the same will be said for the stuff along the East West Connector

With Crest opening this week, do we think there will finally be movement on the parcels along Covell? I sure hope so!

We've seen the lots on Waterloo (Logan County) go like hot cakes. I think the lack of oversight has allowed them to beat out Covell for some of the developments.

That is likely because the lots on Waterloo (Logan County) are not considered an Edmond address, But rather a Guthrie address.

That is likely because the lots on Waterloo (Logan County) are not considered an Edmond address, But rather a Guthrie address.

They're actually Edmond addresses, but Logan County.

They're actually Edmond addresses, but Logan County.

the point is they are not in Edmond so the Edmond city reviews and process don't apply

Google maps will make you think like that. But a Parcel Address Map Shows it is a Guthrie Address

a hotel developer purchased land behind starbucks / qdoba marcos building in late july ..

tracks to a possible springhill suites

Google maps will make you think like that. But a Parcel Address Map Shows it is a Guthrie Address

I don’t think the Waterloo area is currently in Guthrie annexed areas. They do have Edmond address/zip code.
I think it’s is currently unincorporated areas so less permitting for building so easier and quicker

There is a Walmart Neighborhood Market at 164th and Western, one mile west of Crest at 15th and Santa Fe, both seem to be doing just fine.

The Crest at I-35 will pull from a much larger area outside of Edmond.
Guthrie, Stillwater, and many others who travel to OKC from the north on the weekend will make it a stop for groceries and prices they can't find in their smaller communities.

True. So, no wonder I recently got a circ in the mail from Crest with coupons for free Dr. Pepper and Zest crackers. Free junk food is not enough to entice me to go there. I would far sooner there be a new Crest in Stillwater, but Stillwater may never grow fast enough for a Crest. Maybe neither will Enid. Some do already. I know of one that already does.

No doubt, the big boom in the development of north Edmond will make it more desirable than ever before to work in Stillwater, such as being a professor at OSU, and live in Edmond.

Crest was packed on opening day yesterday

True. So, no wonder I recently got a circ in the mail from Crest with coupons for free Dr. Pepper and Zest crackers. Free junk food is not enough to entice me to go there. I would far sooner there be a new Crest in Stillwater, but Stillwater may never grow fast enough for a Crest. Maybe neither will Enid. Some do already. I know of one that already does.

No doubt, the big boom in the development of north Edmond will make it more desirable than ever before to work in Stillwater, such as being a professor at OSU, and live in Edmond.

I think the real drawing area besides Edmond for this store is or will be, Guthrie, (south Logan county), Luther, Wellston, possibly Jones, maybe even Chandler for a once a month stock up. Also far north east Oklahoma city. I am talking about 122nd, Hefner, Britton rd and i 35 area or east. Lots of folks when you count these areas up. They have to shop some place. Just making it easier and having a nice store will bring them in. Sure it will take some folks away from Walmart on I 35 but these areas are growing so I figure the numbers for these stores will just go up.

A commercial development with 9 lots going before planning commission as corner of covell and sooner. Assume this will be great places for restaurants. Need some more out that way with the growth that’s happening. 18764

It will be interesting to see if development happens here, with the area around Showbiz continuing to be vacant.

It will be interesting to see if development happens here, with the area around Showbiz continuing to be vacant.

The area around showbiz continues to be vacant because I have heard the owners are asking astronomical prices that people are just not willing to pay.

The area around showbiz continues to be vacant because I have heard the owners are asking astronomical prices that people are just not willing to pay.

What's frustrating from a planning stand point is the area around Showbiz has been cleared for out parcels of retail. A whole area of well developed trees south of Covell and west of Sooner are going away it would appear for this development.

Also, the preliminary plat for this strip center has 5 separate entrances to Covell and Sooner, one of those being the stoplight entrance at Fairfax, this seems overkill and congestion prone. I'm sure the residents of Augusta Farms are just thrilled about this development bumping up to their backyard when there is ample space at Showbiz and even across the street on the east side of Sooner next to Braums and the other retail.

Yes, I know each area of land is owned by a different developer, but this just seems like odd placement given the other options in the area.

I'm old enough to remember 2 lifestyle centers proposed for I-35 in Edmond. And Pepperidge Farms remembers.

What a shame.

What's frustrating from a planning stand point is the area around Showbiz has been cleared for out parcels of retail. A whole area of well developed trees south of Covell and west of Sooner are going away it would appear for this development.

Also, the preliminary plat for this strip center has 5 separate entrances to Covell and Sooner, one of those being the stoplight entrance at Fairfax, this seems overkill and congestion prone. I'm sure the residents of Augusta Farms are just thrilled about this development bumping up to their backyard when there is ample space at Showbiz and even across the street on the east side of Sooner next to Braums and the other retail.

Yes, I know each area of land is owned by a different developer, but this just seems like odd placement given the other options in the area.

I completely agree. The area in front and surrounding Showbiz should be full of retail, restaurants, niche buildings like gymnastics, dancing, an Edmond version of Score OKC, Apartments and offices above retail stores could all go in this area and absolutely kill it but it will take the developers working with investors to make it happen. There is a TON of land in the area beyond all that is already platted. Between this area, and the surrounding areas this could truly be a lifestyle center that would attract shoppers from as far away as Stillwater and have constant use from Edmond, Arcadia, Jones, Luther, Guthrie and beyond.

With Buc-ee’s openly putting Oklahoma on the board, the city needs to make this off ramp and development a very tempting location.

With Buc-ee’s openly putting Oklahoma on the board, the city needs to make this off ramp and development a very tempting location.

I think that location would be good.....but Edmond is going to Edmond. HOWEVER, there is a Crest that is 24 hours near by, so MAYBE?

I don't know how the traffic counts differ between I-35 and I-40.

I would assume there is more traffic going south I-35 to and from Dallas, than north to Wichita/Kansas City? I-35 north of Guthrie thins out with traffic.
I-40 from my experience is the same story, once past El Reno there isn't a whole lot of traffic heading to Amarillo/ABQ.

A reminder Buc-ee's caters to road trippers and two axle vehicles. So semi-truck traffic is a moot point.

And Buc-ee's may not like trying to compete with Love's at the I-35 Guthrie exit.

I completely agree. The area in front and surrounding Showbiz should be full of retail, restaurants, niche buildings like gymnastics, dancing, an Edmond version of Score OKC, Apartments and offices above retail stores could all go in this area and absolutely kill it but it will take the developers working with investors to make it happen. There is a TON of land in the area beyond all that is already platted. Between this area, and the surrounding areas this could truly be a lifestyle center that would attract shoppers from as far away as Stillwater and have constant use from Edmond, Arcadia, Jones, Luther, Guthrie and beyond.

Edmond already attracts lots and lots of shoppers from Stillwater, due to Stillwater's quite pitiful lack of appealing dining, retail and recreational options for adults and children alike for a town of its size. That and the lack of decent paying jobs to attract families make Stillwater quite an undesirable place for many non-students to consider moving to. One who has kids to raise would rather not do it from the standpoint of a fast food, restaurant, store clerk or housekeeping job. Consequently, a good number of OSU employees live in Edmond and commute to OSU every day. If they got kids, they thank them for it. Perhaps in recent months things have gotten somewhat better. Yet, that AreaVibes would give Edmond a livability score of 78 while giving Stillwater 82 can only be regarded as an all-out total joke to many Oklahomans.

At least OU fans can take pride and joy in that AreaVibes gives Norman a higher score of 83. But it's questionable that AreaVibes is a credible source to help one find where living in a state is good or better in the first place.

Enid also doesn't exactly have an abundance of good dining and retail options, so north Edmond could attract lots of shoppers from there as well. Hopefully, Edmond will be able to manage its abundant growth off I-35 well.

If you look at the Areavibe's scoring of Edmond, it's not that far fetched on the score. Edmond's commuting and amenity scores pulled down the average score.

The biggest complaint on this board about Edmond is the traffic congestion and overall quality of road infrastructure to move in and around the city with it's constant red lights and inefficient traffic patterns. A city of 100,000 with road infrastructure for 25,000.

The other area where Edmond lacks is a diversity of grocery store options and dining options that extend beyond strip mall and quick serve dining. Sure there are a few local eateries, but the majority of Edmond is houses anchored by gas stations and strip malls on every corner.

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Edmond already attracts lots and lots of shoppers from Stillwater, due to Stillwater's quite pitiful lack of appealing dining, retail and recreational options for adults and children alike for a town of its size. That and the lack of decent paying jobs to attract families make Stillwater quite an undesirable place for many non-students to consider moving to. One who has kids to raise would rather not do it from the standpoint of a fast food, restaurant, store clerk or housekeeping job. Consequently, a good number of OSU employees live in Edmond and commute to OSU every day. If they got kids, they thank them for it. Perhaps in recent months things have gotten somewhat better. Yet, that AreaVibes would give Edmond a livability score of 78 while giving Stillwater 82 can only be regarded as an all-out total joke to many Oklahomans.

At least OU fans can take pride and joy in that AreaVibes gives Norman a higher score of 83. But it's questionable that AreaVibes is a credible source to help one find where living in a state is good or better in the first place.

Enid also doesn't exactly have an abundance of good dining and retail options, so north Edmond could attract lots of shoppers from there as well. Hopefully, Edmond will be able to manage its abundant growth off I-35 well.

Doesn't OSU run a commuter bus every day from the ODOT lot at 122nd and I-35 to the campus and back? I knew a guy who rode it every day to his admin job at OSU. Saved a ton on fuel.

"According to the Edmond Economic Development Authority, commercial building permits have been filed for The Oaks at Covell, a multi-family townhouse development at Sooner Rd. and Covell Rd. expected to open in 2025. The development by ACRE Development Partners, LLC will feature 102 units, with two and three-bedroom options, surrounding a resort-style pool. This residential development will be adjacent to amenities like Crest Foods, Showbiz Cinemas, and the shopping center on Covell Rd. at I-35."

The Oaks at Covell (https://theoaksatcovell.com/)

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It'll be interesting to see what the 3 bedroom townhomes price at, and how well they do in that area.

It'll be interesting to see what the 3 bedroom townhomes price at, and how well they do in that area.

I would guess that this will be pretty pricey and very very successful ..

really great elementary school for this location (one of the very best in the state)