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Something often missed when discussing the booming population in Texas is that all those cities (except El Paso) are east --- and most well east -- of the geographic center of the state which is about the same longitude as Elk City.

^^^ not trying to be snippy here but is there a point to that or are you just pointing out a geographical fact? Because El Paso is closer to San Diego than it is to Houston and I’ve always found that fascinating.

..... or maybe a little less fascinating is that between Jan-Mar 2023 maybe DFW gained 57,000 new residents to make them go past 8 million!

^^^ not trying to be snippy here but is there a point to that or are you just pointing out a geographical fact? Because El Paso is closer to San Diego than it is to Houston and I’ve always found that fascinating.

Just trying to say it's not the whole state of Texas that is quickly growing; more like the Eastern 1/3rd and I don't think I've ever seen anyone make that observation.

Just trying to say it's not the whole state of Texas that is quickly growing; more like the Eastern 1/3rd and I don't think I've ever seen anyone make that observation.

geographic center of texas is about 120 west of Waco ..

It’s called the Texas Triangle which encompasses DFW- Austin- San Antonio- Houston and everything in between (Waco, College Station, etc) which is loosely I-35 >I-10>I-45. This megaregion has a population of 21 million per Wiki out of Texas’ 30 million

DFW Airport is World's 2nd Busiest in 2022 by Passenger Volume

73.4 million passengers; 657,000 aircraft movements

Holding their positions from 2021, Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL, 93.7 million passengers, +23.8%) is at the top of the 2022 rankings, followed by Dallas Fort Worth Airport (DFW, 73.4 million passengers, +17.5%), Denver Airport (DEN, 69.3 million passengers, +17.8%), and Chicago O’Hare Airport (ORD, 68.3 million passengers, +26.5%).

https://aci.aero/2023/04/05/international-travel-returns-top-10-busiest-airports-in-the-world-revealed/

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An urban development blog Urbanized has now followed Dallas opening a new website following projects there: https://dallas.urbanize.city/

If you ever stay at the resorts in Grapevine just north of DFW and have a high floor window view to the north from your hotel room, it is hypnotizing to watch the AA planes in all shapes and sizes come in, about every 30--60 seconds, for landing to DFW, along with a handful of giant international flights landing.

DFW lands another corporate HQ's with Kelly-Moore paints moving to the Lone Star State from California. Another win for DFW!

Nothing new, same o, same o. This is expected with metro area that size. Developments like this aren't exciting anymore.

Also did you even read the article or just the headlines? We are talking about 30 full-times jobs, lol. Hardly news to even post about. At some point, people need to quit reaching....smh.

I’m going to put this in here. I don’t want to start a new thread for Sherman. Sherman Tx to get
global tech company 1,500 jobs created.
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-announces-globitech-semiconductor-facility-expansion-in-sherman

I’m going to put this in here. I don’t want to start a new thread for Sherman. Sherman Tx to get
global tech company 1,500 jobs created.
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-announces-globitech-semiconductor-facility-expansion-in-sherman

That news is from last June, but regardless, one step closer to continuous sprawl between Dallas and Durant lol

Yes, this is old news.

This was from 4/25/2023 Dallas Biz Journal updating the project. Since it’s behind a pay wall I pulled an old article.
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Nearly 2 billion new terminal moving forward at DFW Intl Airport: https://www.fox4news.com/news/dfw-airport-adding-6th-terminal-as-part-of-4-8b-expansion-plan

The Texas Triangle. Interesting article about the area from Dallas to San Antonio to Houston;
https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-ceo/2018/may/dallas-place-in-the-texas-triangle/

Nearly 2 billion new terminal moving forward at DFW Intl Airport: https://www.fox4news.com/news/dfw-airport-adding-6th-terminal-as-part-of-4-8b-expansion-plan

This will probably push the passenger numbers at DFW to 85 million when Terminal F opens?

DFW Metroplex Population About To Cross 8 Million

2021 Population: 7,773,289
2022 Population: 7,943,685
Numeric Change: 170,396

Dallas green spaces moving in on Austin. Much improvement!


https://www.dallasnews.com/news/commentary/2023/05/24/dallas-leaps-10-spots-in-coveted-parkscore-best-cities-list-plano-still-tops-in-texas/

Dallas-Fort Worth Population Headed to 8.5 Million

In 2028 ….

https://fortworth.culturemap.com/news/city-life/dfw-8-million-population-2028/

Dallas-Fort Worth Population Headed to 8.5 Million

In 2028 ….

https://fortworth.culturemap.com/news/city-life/dfw-8-million-population-2028/

From the Oklahoma perspective, does Ardmore or Durant benefit from any of this growth, or are they too far north, as both are roughly an hour from the core of DFW.

From the Oklahoma perspective, does Ardmore or Durant benefit from any of this growth, or are they too far north, as both are roughly an hour from the core of DFW.

Durant, absolutely. Bryan County is part of the DFW CSA. Ardmore not as much but that will likely increase since it’s the largest city between Gainesville and Norman. The area around Thackerville in Love County and north shore of Lake Texoma in Marshall County will also continue to see spillover growth. I wouldn’t be surprised if both counties are in the DFW CSA by 2030.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Dallas_CSA_urban_areas.svg/220px-Dallas_CSA_urban_areas.svg.png

Durant, absolutely. Bryan County is part of the DFW CSA. Ardmore not as much but that will likely increase since it’s the largest city between Gainesville and Norman. The area around Thackerville in Love County and north shore of Lake Texoma in Marshall County will also continue to see spillover growth. I wouldn’t be surprised if both counties are in the DFW CSA by 2030.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Dallas_CSA_urban_areas.svg/220px-Dallas_CSA_urban_areas.svg.png

i agree with this also i think if you want to get ahead of the DFW metro i would suggest buying some land with tons of acreage in Madill, Kingston, Thackerville, or Marietta and when the growth hits you can sell your plots of land and make a lot of money

Man I wish we could get 1/10th of the development they have!

Man I wish we could get 1/10th of the development they have!

Be careful what you wish for, cause once they start coming it's hard to stop.

Man I wish we could get 1/10th of the development they have!

They don't have the infrastructure for their projects. Hence traffic being butt cheeks all over the metroplex.

They don't have the infrastructure for their projects. Hence traffic being butt cheeks all over the metroplex.

Yep, now imagine OKC's horrible traffic infrastructure/planning with DFW, Austin, or Denver levels of growth. Happy to stay at the 10-15% growth/decade rate that we've been at until we fix it, not that I'm confident we'll ever see it fixed in our lifetimes.

OKC has good infrastructure bones. PLENTY of right-of-way on all the interstates and major city streets. The grid is intact in most areas of the city, even along rivers and railroad areas where the grid traditionally gets chopped up. The airport has plenty of room to expand or even start from scratch if some kind of mind-blowing growth happened. The city is served by two major Class 1 railroads that can support the city's industrial needs.

There's no reason a parabolic growth in OKC, should it happen (and I think it's not likely), could not be supported by the current infrastructure (it would obviously need capacity expansions but the general foot print is impressive and wouldn't require reworking.

Not much ROW on I-35 in south central but yeah for the most part you’re right.

Durant, absolutely. Bryan County is part of the DFW CSA. Ardmore not as much but that will likely increase since it’s the largest city between Gainesville and Norman. The area around Thackerville in Love County and north shore of Lake Texoma in Marshall County will also continue to see spillover growth. I wouldn’t be surprised if both counties are in the DFW CSA by 2030.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Dallas_CSA_urban_areas.svg/220px-Dallas_CSA_urban_areas.svg.png

I disagree since not many people will want to move to the Oklahoma side, due to having to pay the Oklahoma income tax. Very great, though, how Durant is able to grow as possibly the fastest growing Oklahoma town outside of an Oklahoma metro, largely thanks to the Choctaws, not DFW.

As long as Oklahoma has a state income tax, Gainesville, TX is in a lot better shape to grow faster than Ardmore.

OKC has good infrastructure bones. PLENTY of right-of-way on all the interstates and major city streets. The grid is intact in most areas of the city, even along rivers and railroad areas where the grid traditionally gets chopped up. The airport has plenty of room to expand or even start from scratch if some kind of mind-blowing growth happened. The city is served by two major Class 1 railroads that can support the city's industrial needs.

There's no reason a parabolic growth in OKC, should it happen (and I think it's not likely), could not be supported by the current infrastructure (it would obviously need capacity expansions but the general foot print is impressive and wouldn't require reworking.

I agree with you on the Metro having good infrastructure bones. My issue lies mostly with the lack of planning across the Metro. Traffic lights aren't timed correctly. Large stretches of pavement are falling into disrepair. Many of our major arterial roads don't have center turn lanes or medians, and many of our busiest intersections don't have dedicated right turn lanes. Are all of these things possible to fix? Yes. But no one in the Metro as of yet has shown any initiative to actually go about fixing these things, and changing that mindset is easier said than done. The DFW Metroplex is far more forward-thinking than the OKC Metro when it comes to planning for growth, and they are still dealing with huge issues in terms of scaling up their transportation infrastructure.

Dallas Museum of Art picks little-known Spanish architects for museum expansion. In a bold move, architects Nieto Sobejano are selected to ‘reimagine’ the DMA.

https://blooloop.com/museum/news/dallas-museum-of-art-nieto-sobejano-arquitectos/

The Dallas Museum of Art in Texas has chosen Madrid-based firm Nieto Sobejano Arquitectos to reimagine its campus following an international design competition.
The architecture firm described their proposal as “a reflection of the original building, transforming the relationship between art, landscape, and community into a balance of memory and innovation”.
The winning concept design addresses circulation, sustainability and gallery space expansion while respecting the 1984 Edward Larrabee Barnes building.
It includes a new floating contemporary art gallery on the roof. It also rebalances the north and south façades, adding an exterior LED-generated artwork and transparent glazing.
Project cost is $175M.

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Well that sucks, it looks like the downtown subway is dead, for now.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/downtown-dallas-subway-d2-no-longer-part-of-darts-long-term-plans/3317427/

Frontier Communications moves corporate HQ to Dallas, creating as many as 3,000 new jobs

The telecommunications company said it chose Uptown Dallas over other locations like Tampa due to its business-friendly environment.

Frontier Communications is moving its headquarters from Norwalk, Conn., to Dallas, Texas, saying it will be easier to manage its nationwide broadband offering from Texas.

Texas was an obvious place for us to be based,” said Jeffery, who already lives in Dallas. “Dallas is geographically located right at the center of the country, which makes it great for Frontier because we’re coast to coast, and there’s great talent availability. We’re making the ‘Gigahub’ our center for digital development.”

Frontier, which has been building out its next-generation fiber-optic network, said it is investing in a new 95,000-square-foot office space in Uptown Dallas. Fiber giant AT&T is also based in Dallas.
Frontier's Dallas hub will house its chief executive officer, executive leadership team and hundreds of corporate employees. The company said it will maintain a strong presence in Connecticut.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/frontier-communications-to-move-headquarters-to-dallas-texas-334969f9

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/2023/09/13/frontier-communications-moves-headquarters-to-dallas/

I disagree since not many people will want to move to the Oklahoma side, due to having to pay the Oklahoma income tax. Very great, though, how Durant is able to grow as possibly the fastest growing Oklahoma town outside of an Oklahoma metro, largely thanks to the Choctaws, not DFW.

As long as Oklahoma has a state income tax, Gainesville, TX is in a lot better shape to grow faster than Ardmore.

Ironically, the property taxes in Gainesville are probably more than the Oklahoma state income tax they would pay anyway.

Frontier Communications moves corporate HQ to Dallas, creating as many as 3,000 new jobs

The telecommunications company said it chose Uptown Dallas over other locations like Tampa due to its business-friendly environment.

Frontier Communications is moving its headquarters from Norwalk, Conn., to Dallas, Texas, saying it will be easier to manage its nationwide broadband offering from Texas.

Texas was an obvious place for us to be based,” said Jeffery, who already lives in Dallas. “Dallas is geographically located right at the center of the country, which makes it great for Frontier because we’re coast to coast, and there’s great talent availability. We’re making the ‘Gigahub’ our center for digital development.”

Frontier, which has been building out its next-generation fiber-optic network, said it is investing in a new 95,000-square-foot office space in Uptown Dallas. Fiber giant AT&T is also based in Dallas.
Frontier's Dallas hub will house its chief executive officer, executive leadership team and hundreds of corporate employees. The company said it will maintain a strong presence in Connecticut.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/frontier-communications-to-move-headquarters-to-dallas-texas-334969f9

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/2023/09/13/frontier-communications-moves-headquarters-to-dallas/ Yet another major corporate relocation for DFW! They are not afraid to go after big business! I wish OKC would be more proactive in landing good white collar jobs! The down side is more traffic and gridlock in DFW.

Yet another major corporate relocation for DFW! They are not afraid to go after big business! I wish OKC would be more proactive in landing good white collar jobs! The down side is more traffic and gridlock in DFW.

What exactly do you mean by proactive and how do you know that it isn't being tried?

What exactly do you mean by proactive and how do you know that it isn't being tried? I mean if they were being proactive, then I would "expect" to see results. There has been no major corporate HQ's move to OKC in decades. I moved back to OKC about 4 months ago after being in DFW and Tampa Florida. I am following OKC business and development and yet to see anything "major" in HQ relocations for OKC. Let's keep pushing OKC Chamber of Commerce to bring bigger prosperity and companies!

I mean if they were being proactive, then I would "expect" to see results. There has been no major corporate HQ's move to OKC in decades. I moved back to OKC about 4 months ago after being in DFW and Tampa Florida. I am following OKC business and development and yet to see anything "major" in HQ relocations for OKC. Let's keep pushing OKC Chamber of Commerce to bring bigger prosperity and companies!

That doesn't explain what you mean by "proactive". What should they do to be "proactive" that they aren't doing? And just saying get results isn't an adequate answer.

I mean if they were being proactive, then I would "expect" to see results. There has been no major corporate HQ's move to OKC in decades. I moved back to OKC about 4 months ago after being in DFW and Tampa Florida. I am following OKC business and development and yet to see anything "major" in HQ relocations for OKC. Let's keep pushing OKC Chamber of Commerce to bring bigger prosperity and companies!

umm contential was 11 years ago

Dallas Wins Coveted Federal Biotech Research Hub

Dallas scores ARPA-H [Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health (ARPA-H)] hub

"The Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health has opted to plant its latest hub location in Dallas. ARPA-H is a federal entity, bearing a $2.5 billion budget, operates within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Its mission is to advance high-impact biomedical and health research activity. The Dallas hub will be located at Pegasus Park, a 26-acre life science and social impact-focused campus established in recent years.
The project would bring with it new jobs, an influx of talent, federal funds and elevated prestige. It's a victory Dallas' biotech and life sciences sector has been clamoring for since Pegasus Park opened in 2021."

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2023/09/26/dallas-arpa-h-hub-customer-experience.html

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/health-care/2023/09/26/dallas-lands-coveted-federal-biotech-research-hub-after-months-of-campaigning/

Prosper TX just North of Dallas has a population of 38,000 is prepared to plunk down close to $100 million for a high school football stadium that will seat a mere 8,000 people.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rural-texas-school-district-proposes-most-expensive-high-school-football-stadium-in-state-s-history/ar-AA1hmREQ?ocid=socialshare&cvid=7641f33d1c04423490e5cc989e273337&ei=48

Have you seen the one in Allen Texas? I grew up in North Dallas, but I never spent much time in Allen. Funny enough I was somewhat close to that area as I lived near Campbell and Preston Road. The other day I was doing some Google mapping to go down memory lane and I came across this mega football stadium that I missed took somehow for the Dallas Cowboys but I thought that couldn’t be right because that was closer to Arlington.

Of course I start zooming around and I see that that’s part of the high school complex. That might just be the most impressive high school I’ve ever seen. They have a subway restaurant inside of the high school for highschoolers.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/pnDqJ1oQGxt2WKje8?g_st=ic

Say what you want, but that is awesome. I wish OKC had a suburban area like that that had a cool high school complex that was that fancy. And here I thought Edmond North was a fancy high school lol.

Dallas-Fort Worth homes now less affordable than Chicago, nearing New York costliness

Over the past decade, D-FW incomes have risen 45% while the median home price has more than doubled.Some people may find better deals in Midwestern cities, for example.

Both the D-FW and Chicago areas had median household incomes of about $83,000 in 2022. The median sale price of an existing Dallas-Fort Worth home in spring 2023 was about $390,000, about $27,000 more than Chicago’s median of almost $363,000, according to the National Association of Realtors.In 2013, the median Dallas-Fort Worth home price was $182,000, about $20,000 less than in the Chicago area.

The number of D-FW homes selling for less than $200,000 had already been declining for years prior to 2020, but since then, homes less than $300,000 have quickly become much more of a rarity.
In 2019, homes in the low $200,000s represented 20% of the market, according to the Texas Real Estate Research Center. In 2022, they made up just 6.5%. Homes in the high $200,000s fell from a 17% to 10.6% share, while the share of sales in all the higher price levels ticked upward through the housing boom.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2023/10/16/dallas-fort-worth-homes-now-less-affordable-than-chicago-nearing-new-york-costliness/

I would be curious to know the average square footage and lot size of DFW homes vs. Chicago homes.

I would be curious to know the average square footage and lot size of DFW homes vs. Chicago homes.

"What is the average square footage of a house in Chicago?
3,330 square feet
Conversely, single-family homes throughout Chicago and its surrounding areas surpassed the national average for home size — 2,611 square feet — and added an extra 916 square feet since 2010. Now, the average newly built home in the Chicago area totals 3,330 square feet." Chicago Tribune

"Dallas-Fort Worth new home sizes are still ahead of the national average. In 2019, the average new home sold in North Texas was 2,774 square feet, according to housing analyst Metrostudy Inc. D-FW home sizes have fallen from the record 2,910 square feet average set in 2015." - Dallas News

Congrats to the Texas Rangers on there first World Series!!!

Last year Houston, this year Dallas. For a football state, TX is dominating the baseball world right now!

"What is the average square footage of a house in Chicago?
3,330 square feet
Conversely, single-family homes throughout Chicago and its surrounding areas surpassed the national average for home size — 2,611 square feet — and added an extra 916 square feet since 2010. Now, the average newly built home in the Chicago area totals 3,330 square feet." Chicago Tribune

"Dallas-Fort Worth new home sizes are still ahead of the national average. In 2019, the average new home sold in North Texas was 2,774 square feet, according to housing analyst Metrostudy Inc. D-FW home sizes have fallen from the record 2,910 square feet average set in 2015." - Dallas News

Keep in mind, Chicago houses have basements where few in Dallas do.

I spent the day today at Fields Ranch, the new PGA golf facility in Frisco. It’s a really impressive facility and the Omni PGA Resort that overlooks the courses is beautiful. From a golf standpoint, we played Fields Ranch East which is the championship course that hosted the PGA Senior event in May and is set to host many future PGA events including the ‘27 PGA Championship. It is a caddie/walking only course. Logged about 8.5 miles. Course can be stretched to 8,000 yards and with the wind up (like today) is really hard.

Anyway, its quite a golf destination and will be a big focal point for many PGA events for years to come.

DFW Metro Eclipses 8 Million Population

8,060,528 to be exact or a numeric increase of 423,141 from 2020-2023. Behind DFW is the Greater Houston Area with 7,416,564 residents. For reference, estimated Oklahoma population for 2023 is 4.04 million.

https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/TPEPP/Estimates/2022/2022_txpopest_msa.pdf

DFW Metro Eclipses 8 Million Population

8,060,528 to be exact or a numeric increase of 423,141 from 2020-2023. Behind DFW is the Greater Houston Area with 7,416,564 residents. For reference, estimated Oklahoma population for 2023 is 4.04 million.

https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/TPEPP/Estimates/2022/2022_txpopest_msa.pdf

CultureMap back in july said by 2028. well that happened fast
https://dallas.culturemap.com/news/city-life/dfw-population-8-million-2028/

I think Dallas will be Into Oklahoma by 2040. It is already hugging it near US 75

I think Dallas will be Into Oklahoma by 2040. It is already hugging it near US 75

By 2040, Prosper, Celina and Anna will be what Allen and McKinney were 10 years ago. Gunter, Dorchester and Van Alstyne will be like Prosper and Anna today. Sherman/Denison is growing into a decent sized metro area on its own with the Texas Instruments plant expected to employ more than 5k people when complete in 2025. The Sherman-Denison metro currently has 140k but could be well over 250k by 2040

Hunt Realty plans $5B downtown Dallas redevelopment

The proposed project will include a dozen new apartment buildings, a hotel, shops and offices next to the new convention center.
Hunt’s plan calls for constructing a dozen new high-rise residential and commercial buildings with up to 3,000 apartment units, a hotel with 600 to 1,000 rooms, 150,000 square feet of retail space and up to 2 million square feet of office space, as well as a 3- to 4-acre park, according to the Dallas Morning News. It also plans to redevelop the historic Union Station, located across the railroad tracks from Reunion Tower.

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https://www.constructiondive.com/news/hunt-realty-reunion-dallas-redevelopment/702797/

We shall see if this comes to fruition now that workers don't want to go back to the office.....

Kay Baily Hutchinson convention center. yuk. Hunt family are super wealthy.

Dallas will most likely be hosting the 2026 World Cup Final: https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2024/01/18/dallas-world-cup-final-2026-texas

plans are now out for the texas high speed rail station in dallas

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