1) It's possible that Oklahomans don't know or underestimate the effect of mass population boom to DFW from California / Northeast. Those people will look for weekend getaways, hiking, etc. They will go north into Oklahoma before they go south. They are buying in mass majority of properties in Broken Bow. They are buying homes in mass along Texoma.
2) OKC is the #3 most moved to location from DFW currently. (#1 SoCal , #2 Denver/CS)
3a) Want urban sprawl from DFW to OKC? It hinges on the Winstar complex continuing to turn into Vegas on the prairie and job growth. Expedite growth from there up to Ardmore and its in the bag.
3b) Turner Falls area sucks. Completely neglected. Completely wasted opportunity. People visiting from DFW expect nice things. How and why there isn't a 5 star resort next to it or close by is beyond me.

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The mass population boom in DFW has also been a big driver of student growth at OU and to a lesser extent OSU. You almost see more TX plates driving around Norman than OK. Remember DFW has nearly TWICE the population as the entire state of OK.

The mass population boom in DFW has also been a big driver of student growth at OU and to a lesser extent OSU. You almost see more TX plates driving around Norman than OK. Remember DFW has nearly TWICE the population as the entire state of OK.

Visually this is how it looks (2020): State of Oklahoma. 3.957M , Dallas-Ft Worth. 7.695M

This is interesting to me because I've always felt that OKC and Fort Worth have very similar vibes.

On a completely unrelated note, I do wonder if the potential of continued electrical grid issues would have a negative impact on attracting businesses to Texas. No immediate impacts, obviously, but possibly something to keep an eye on in the coming years. Not so much anymore. Fort Worth population is now around 920,000 versus OKC 650,000. Plus, it has the Bass Hall Performance Hall, Kimball Art Museum, Dickies Arena, Amon Carter Museum meaning much better cultural amenities in FW. They also have the Japanese Gardens. Much superior arts scene than OKC. Plus, FW just elected its first millennial mayor Mattie Parker, 37 years old, than has some really forward thinking plans for FW. OKC mayor is descent, however, he seems to be a bit more conservative than FW mayor.

just curious what makes OKC a blue collar town in your opinion?

Baltimore, Detroit, Memphis - those are blue collar towns. OKC (and most state capitols) I would rank as white collar city given the State of OK, Federal Government (Tinker, FAA, etc), and the energy and support companies we have (since govt jobs are white collar, right?).

What blue collar jobs does OKC even have? Hobby Lobby is the ONLY major blue collar employer I can think of and even then it's an A-Z company with HQ in addition to it's manufacturing also in OKC. A lot of it is "perception". DFW has a major, international airport with tons of direct flights for business travelers while OKC is very limited on direct flights, most likely due to little demand for corporate travelers. Limited "major" corporate presence for offices in OKC. OKC is not a hub for banking, finance, insurance etc.. I will say, OKC is starting to create more biotechnology firms so this may change for OKC in years to come. making it more high paying, skilled jobs!

Well here we go. This will help Ardmore and southern OK growth were are talking about: https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2021/08/05/chickasaw-city-officials-announce-milestone-ardmore-shipping-and-transportation-hub/5482201001/

"Tribal leaders, city officials and business executives envision a distribution, storage and manufacturing zone that will bring thousands of jobs to southern Oklahoma and cut heavy traffic on highways between two of the region’s largest cities."

If this can be a quarter of what the Alliance Airport and Hub is for North Fort Worth than this will certainly expedite sprawl in Southern OK.

Downtown Dallas Newpark/Smart District renders

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It's just non stop development down there.

Another deck park for Dallas, this time in the south in Oak Cliff. Called Southern Gateway, the unnamed park will be built on top of I-35E And will connect the Dallas Zoo to the communities to the west

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/an-opportunity-to-right-the-wrong-dallas-releases-plan-for-southern-gateway-deck-park-in-oak-cliff/2680444/%3famp

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Eastside/Downtown 42-story Tower

Proposed 2-tower complex in east DT Dallas at the corner of North Pearl and Elm near Interstate 345.The complex would include a combination of uses in two towers. The buildings would have about 200,000 square feet of offices, 250 hotel rooms and 224 apartments. There would be ground-floor retail space, too.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2021/07/21/scott-rohrman-42-real-estate.html?ana=TRUEANTHEMFB_DA&csrc=6398&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1cdqxZNc6_l6pv1TmbkosEHqgIvv9U1QIbWa_37 i0qvWN5VfZVNJkE0KY

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That Tom Thumb with Starbucks on the 1st level of those apartments on Live Oak st is so cool.

That Tom Thumb with Starbucks on the 1st level of those apartments on Live Oak st is so cool.

When we were in Dallas we went to the Tom Thumb also with Starbucks on the 1st level of The Christopher high rise. I think at Field St? Pretty cool

Another HQ Relo to DFW from LA/Cali

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2021/08/17/aecom-headquarters-relocation.html

Multinational infrastructure consulting firm AECOM — a driving force behind projects including high-speed rail and the proposed hyperloop in Texas — will relocate its global headquarters to Dallas from Los Angeles in the latest Fortune 500 leap to the Lone Star State.

AECOM CEO Troy Rudd and select corporate leaders will join more than 1,200 AECOM professionals based at the company’s existing Dallas office at 13355 Noel Road, Suite 400, and other offices across Texas, according to a news release from the company.

The engineering giant has 47,000 employees worldwide and its professional services business had revenue of $13.2 billion in 2020...

Between Dallas and Ft. Worth OKC's getting left in the dust when it comes to corporate relocations.

Between Dallas and Ft. Worth OKC's getting left in the dust when it comes to corporate relocations.

Who has Fort Worth gotten, exactly? That's right, no one. But you do realize there are 2x as many people in DFW than in the entire state of Oklahoma, right? Comparing a pool to an ocean.

[QUOTE=chssooner;1177723]Who has Fort Worth gotten, What does this have to do with landing a Fortune 500 company? It has nothing to do with the size of a city. Dallas Fort Worth is just way more aggressive in landing these coveted HQ's. Way better business climate in Texas, no State Income Taxes plus higher educated people. As much as I want Oklahoma to succeed especially OKC, I just do not see it happening on a Dallas level. I am a native of OKC, however to me, it is still a big old overgrown cowtown.

Who has Fort Worth gotten, exactly? That's right, no one. But you do realize there are 2x as many people in DFW than in the entire state of Oklahoma, right? Comparing a pool to an ocean.
Dude why is this stupid sh!t always said in response to OKC getting left in the dust? There are other steps the state can take to position us to become more attractive before the OKC metro population exceeds 7 million people.

Dude why is this stupid sh!t always said in response to OKC getting left in the dust? There are other steps the state can take to position us to become more attractive before the OKC metro population exceeds 7 million people.

OKC gets plenty of business relations and operations here. But getting the DFW-types of relocations takes many things OKC well never have, like a major international airport that is a global hub (if you truly believe OKC can get close to that, I will not debate further). That is one of the biggest reasons they go to Dallas. That and infinite money to throw at them for moving here. Oklahoma will never have that kind of money. Ever. No matter what you tell yourself or how many ad hominems you spew.

OKC fights above its weight class, though. And is getting far more diversified, both socially and economically. Oklahoma lowered income tax rates for everyone, as well as for corporations. Not sure what else they can do. They threw an extra 5% to 7% at education. Not saying they are perfect, but just wondering what you think they can do to fight DFW for these companies.

As much as I would like to see a big corporate relocation to Oklahoma City, I'd almost prefer that we work on fostering more home grown businesses and encouraging small corporate entities to move here. Move here, or be born here, and grow here.

OKC gets plenty of business relations and operations here. But getting the DFW-types of relocations takes many things OKC well never have, like a major international airport that is a global hub (if you truly believe OKC can get close to that, I will not debate further). That is one of the biggest reasons they go to Dallas. That and infinite money to throw at them for moving here. Oklahoma will never have that kind of money. Ever. No matter what you tell yourself or how many ad hominems you spew.

OKC fights above its weight class, though. And is getting far more diversified, both socially and economically. Oklahoma lowered income tax rates for everyone, as well as for corporations. Not sure what else they can do. They threw an extra 5% to 7% at education. Not saying they are perfect, but just wondering what you think they can do to fight DFW for these companies.
No one “spewed any ad hominems” stop victimizing yourself. I didn’t say anything about you. I said what you said is stupid and repeated multiple times. You’re now shifting the goalposts here and I’m not going further engage in this with you. Now it’s about the airport and having more people with money. At first it was only they just twice the amount of people Oklahoma has which is always thrown around as if the conversation ends there.

OKC will get a big corporate relocation at some point and I’d bet it’s in this decade.

No one “spewed any ad hominems” stop victimizing yourself. I didn’t say anything about you. I said what you said is stupid and repeated multiple times. You’re now shifting the goalposts here and I’m not going further engage in this with you. Now it’s about the airport and having more people with money. At first it was only they just twice the amount of people Oklahoma has which is always thrown around as if the conversation ends there.

OKC will get a big corporate relocation at some point and I’d bet it’s in this decade.

Well, they go hand in hand (people in an area to airport size, for the most part). I am honestly curious what you think Oklahoma can do to get one of those relocations. Is it simply you don't think they try to get them, conceding defeat to DFW or Texas as a whole? I don't know what OK can offer that the state to the south can't, or can't offer more of.

Yeah I expected an over simplified answer from you like that. I’m done with this conversation. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the advantages Dallas has.

Who has Fort Worth gotten, exactly? That's right, no one. But you do realize there are 2x as many people in DFW than in the entire state of Oklahoma, right? Comparing a pool to an ocean.


Recent announcements for Fort Worth, not as loud as Dallas or Collin County:

Oatly https://dallasinnovates.com/oatly-chooses-fort-worth-for-its-newest-and-largest-north-american-oat-milk-facility/

Schumacher Electric Corp https://dallasinnovates.com/everythings-bigger-in-texas-schumacher-electric-corporation-relocates-its-hq-to-fort-worth-to-expand-its-vision/

EJ Lauren https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2021/07/29/ej-lauren-fort-worth.html

Rhino Health https://fortworthbusiness.com/business/glove-manufacturer-opening-its-largest-facility-in-fort-worth/

Pregis https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2021/05/17/chicago-area-manufacturer-expands-into-dfw.html

Wall Street giant is looking at Hunt Realty’s massive Field Street mixed-use project in DT Dallas and will hire additional 4k workers, real estate brokers say.

“Goldman Sachs is zeroing in on Hunt Realty Investments’ planned Field Street mixed-use development on the northwest side of downtown as a location for up to 6,000 workers, according to several sources familiar with the deal who didn’t want to be identified because the information remains private.
Hunt Realty just got city approvals to build Field Street, a more than 3 million-square-foot mixed-use project on a block that’s now occupied by the Northend Apartments.
The development with towers of 80 stories or more would include a 1.5-acre central park along with offices, retail, residences and hotels.”

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https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2021/08/25/is-goldman-sachs-targeting-a-big-new-development-near-downtown-dallas/

Wow

Urby's 27-story high-rise residential under construction in Dallas' Design District

Across from the Virgin Hotel, going up fast
http://https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2021/02/02/construction-starts-on-huge-design-district-tower/


Developers have broken ground on the first of three planned high-rises in Dallas’ Design District. New Jersey-based Urby is building the 27-story residential tower on Hi Line Drive just west of Stemmons Freeway. The building will have 383 luxury rental units when it opens in two years.

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27 story residential tower in downtown Ft Worth coming:

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2021/09/02/new-tower-will-be-downtown-fort-worths-first-new-rental-high-rise/

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Nice!

somewhat off topic on this thread, but let's talk about the return of international travel. And down south at DFW International Airport, I found some big news happening. New destinations and changes just in case y'all want to go to Istanbul or Helsinki, to name a few.

Turkish Airlines nonstop to Istanbul from DFW on the 787-9, started last September
Iberia nonstop to Madrid on the A330, will compliment AA's flight to MAD, begins on April 22,2022
Finnair nonstop to Helsinki on the A350, commences on February 7,2022
Air France will resume nonstop to Paris CDG on March 27,2022 on the 787-9
Qantas will resume nonstop to Sydney on February 7,2022 on the 787-9 (not the A380)
British Airways will up gauge their London LHR flight to the A380 on March 22,2022
American will start new service to Auckland on January 4,2022 and to Tel Aviv on March 5,2022

somewhat off topic on this thread, but let's talk about the return of international travel. And down south at DFW International Airport, I found some big news happening. New destinations and changes just in case y'all want to go to Istanbul or Helsinki, to name a few.

Turkish Airlines nonstop to Istanbul from DFW on the 787-9, started last September
Iberia nonstop to Madrid on the A330, will compliment AA's flight to MAD, begins on April 22,2022
Finnair nonstop to Helsinki on the A350, commences on February 7,2022
Air France will resume nonstop to Paris CDG on March 27,2022 on the 787-9
Qantas will resume nonstop to Sydney on February 7,2022 on the 787-9 (not the A380)
British Airways will up gauge their London LHR flight to the A380 on March 22,2022
American will start new service to Auckland on January 4,2022 and to Tel Aviv on March 5,2022

I would love to try Finnair to Helsinki. I have heard that they are a huge carrier from Europe to Asia because they have a geographic advantage there in northern Europe that makes flights to the Far East shorter than from other cities in Europe. It is pretty cool that we have such a major international air gateway just three hours away by or a VERY short connection flight away.

I would love to try Finnair to Helsinki. I have heard that they are a huge carrier from Europe to Asia because they have a geographic advantage there in northern Europe that makes flights to the Far East shorter than from other cities in Europe. It is pretty cool that we have such a major international air gateway just three hours away by or a VERY short connection flight away.

Same here. My best friend lives in Helsinki and I haven’t seen him in a decade. Plus throw in the aurora borealis and this route looks like it’s in my near future

Texas Instruments Chooses Sherman for New $30B Semiconductor Chip Site

At full build-out, the 4.7 million-square-foot semiconductor fabrication plant will be the largest electronics production facility in Texas and among the largest manufacturing plants of any kind in the U.S.

Dallas-based global semiconductor company Texas Instruments announced today that it plans to build up to four new manufacturing plants in Sherman. Construction of the first two is expected to begin next year.

The 300-millimeter semiconductor wafer fabrication plants—or fabs—could result in a potential $30 billion investment from TI. They could also support as many as 3,000 jobs once complete.

Sherman leadership said that the semiconductor fabrication plant will encompass 4.7 million square feet and at full build-out will be the largest electronics production facility in Texas. It will also be among the largest manufacturing plants of any kind in the U.S.

https://dallasinnovates.com/texas-instruments-chooses-sherman-for-new-30b-semiconductor-chip-site/

Right on the heels of Samsung's chip plant to be built in Taylor County near Austin, Sherman and Grayson County, Texas was chosen by Texas Instruments as the site of its future plants. Sherman is 45 minutes north of Dallas and 30+ minutes from Durant!

The leader ship in the state is pathetic I can’t believe we can’t even land one of these things

The leader ship in the state is pathetic I can’t believe we can’t even land one of these things

I shouldn't justify your asinine comparison, but I will. Texas has more money than God. That is why they can get these. Oklahoma will never be able to compete. If Texas wants a factory, and is competing with Oklahoma, there is not a damn thing Oklahoma can offer than Texas can't beat. And it isn't like Texas has a major educational advantage. Just a human capital and money advantage. Oklahoma can't offer no income tax, since getting the appropriate offsetting property tax increase won't pass here. They can't offer the tax breaks, because they don't have the ability to recover from them. Or they give them to fledgling EV companies with no proof they will work. Yes, this state has its problems. But this isn't a problem the legislators can fix. You'll disagree since you're always the smartest person in the room. But facts are facts, and contrary to popular belief, size matters.

I’m asking for one just one of these developments it would change the game in Oklahoma

And it isn't like Texas has a major educational advantage.
This is wrong, especially in the eyes of tech companies.

Texas Instruments Chooses Sherman for New $30B Semiconductor Chip Site

At full build-out, the 4.7 million-square-foot semiconductor fabrication plant will be the largest electronics production facility in Texas and among the largest manufacturing plants of any kind in the U.S.

Dallas-based global semiconductor company Texas Instruments announced today that it plans to build up to four new manufacturing plants in Sherman. Construction of the first two is expected to begin next year.

The 300-millimeter semiconductor wafer fabrication plants—or fabs—could result in a potential $30 billion investment from TI. They could also support as many as 3,000 jobs once complete.

Sherman leadership said that the semiconductor fabrication plant will encompass 4.7 million square feet and at full build-out will be the largest electronics production facility in Texas. It will also be among the largest manufacturing plants of any kind in the U.S.

https://dallasinnovates.com/texas-instruments-chooses-sherman-for-new-30b-semiconductor-chip-site/

Right on the heels of Samsung's chip plant to be built in Taylor County near Austin, Sherman and Grayson County, Texas was chosen by Texas Instruments as the site of its future plants. Sherman is 45 minutes north of Dallas and 30+ minutes from Durant!

FYI the dallas north tollway will extend all the way to sherman at some point soon ..

This is wrong, especially in the eyes of tech companies.

Quantity over quality, IMO. UT is massive, and has wealthy benefactors who donate a ton. Oklahoma cannot compete. But it isn't something that OK can do anything about.

Oklahoma should have been at the front of the line when the new era energy wave began (wind, solar, battery). There should be "gigafactories" battery plants, solar panel plants, and wind turbine plants scattered everywhere across Oklahoma.

Oklahoma is geographically in a prime position to serve all of the US. We could have offered land to these energy manufacturing companies for nothing and beefed up interstate and rail infrastructure to support a massive hub of energy production. And by the way, these benefits would extend to the already-in-place O&G entities. Instead, now there is plants for all these things scattered mostly across the coastal states and Texas, hell even Ohio is getting major scores.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

The Dallas to Fort Worth HSR line moves into the second phase which will identify alignments and costs. Glad to see it move forward. I’d suspect it will cost in the vicinity of 2-5 billion dollars and hopefully when they reveal the price tag it won’t just get thrown in the back burner. It could have been funded with the cost of the 635 express lane and I-35 projects alone. Not that those projects aren’t needed but the money is there. It should include a stop in downtown Arlington as well.

https://www.fortworthtexas.gov/news/2022/1/High-Speed-Rail-Study

Planned Residential towers in the LGBTQ area of Dallas. Oak Lawn


https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-ceo/2022/january-february/mike-ablons-most-ambitious-project-yet/?fbclid=IwAR0RwKjCmeAfYsUBZ2Hd64cOTn3rnvPEEggBIvtc mVyd77wjR0GK3xMiJSg

Freakanomics Radio is doing a two-part episode series on "why everyone is moving to Dallas"? I'm only halfway through the first episode but I've found it informative, once you get past the mostly-absent-but-still-there snobbery and incredulity of a New Yorker trying to understand the appeal, lol.

Part 1: https://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-is-everyone-moving-to-dallas/

Came here to say this (never visit this thread). There are actually a lot of parallels between Dallas and OKC in relation to what they discuss (form of government, history, etc).

QANTAS will start flying from DFW to MEL (Melbourne) on 12/22. This will be the 4th new international destination added/announced to DFW's portfolio for the past six months : Helsinki with Finnair (3/27/22), Istanbul (Turkish) last September and Tel Aviv with AA in May. Also Iberia is starting its own DFW-MAD (Madrid) flight in June to complement AA's flight to the Spanish capital.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-non-stop-flights-melbourne-dallas-fort-worth-dfw

Freakanomics Radio is doing a two-part episode series on "why everyone is moving to Dallas"? I'm only halfway through the first episode but I've found it informative, once you get past the mostly-absent-but-still-there snobbery and incredulity of a New Yorker trying to understand the appeal, lol.

Part 1: https://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-is-everyone-moving-to-dallas/

Freakonomics is my favorite podcast because not only is it interesting and smart, they layer in lots of factual information and data instead of just a couple of guys spouting their opinions. They also do a great job of having experts and info that counter merely what one person has to say which results is a well-rounded approach.


One of the more interesting things about those two eps on DFW is this: there are 15 cities with more 100,000+ people in North Texas. The entire state of Oklahoma has just three (OKC, Tulsa and Norman).

They talk a lot about the 'polycentric' nature of the area, in that there are lots of hubs that function as a traditional downtown, with a concentration of offices, shopping, housing and cultural attractions. At the same time, all those separate municipalities compete against each other with ever-escalating economic incentives.

And they do talk about education but I believe it gets far too little emphasis in their analysis. Yes, South Dallas is primarily poor with correspondingly poor and underperforming schools, but of course most people with families live in one of the hundreds of suburban independent school districts which offer generally excellent public education. On top of that, Texas has several excellent universities, so all of that combines to form a nicely educated and skilled workforce. And their cost of housing is in the same ballpark as OKC and Tulsa, which is to say way, way more affordable than most cities and metro areas of their size.

The total package along with pretty good weather is compelling to companies operating in a bigger coastal city, especially because now DFW has tons of cultural amenities and an airport that allows you to easily fly almost anywhere in the world.

I mentioned that North Texas now has 15 cities with more than 100K population...

Arlington is getting ready to pass Tulsa and probably already has.

Frisco has more than 200,000 and will likely reach 300K by the next census if not before.


People who live in this area like to refer to DFW as 'polycentric' with multiple city centers. But besides Fort Worth, all those other towns are still suburbs in that they only exist and thrive due to the proximity to the big city. And even though there are concentrations of commercial development, they are nothing like a downtown; just generally un-walkable clusters.

I spent some time in Frisco over the weekend and while they have a ton going on there, it's all completely disjointed and car-centric. With everything brand new with very wide streets and parkways and seas of parking; It reminds me of Irvine, CA but not nearly as pretty or with the near-perfect weather (and Irvine is often used as the poster child for terrible city planning).

No matter how anyone wants to spin these suburbs, it's still mainly white flight just like it always has been: at least somewhat affluent people seeking independent public school districts and homogeneity.

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No matter how anyone wants to spin these suburbs, it's still mainly white flight just like it always has been: at least somewhat affluent people seeking independent public school districts and homogeneity.

I am not sure what is happening in the last 15-20 years in north dallas is white flight .... it is more like massive growth .. further and further from down town Dallas as the closer areas get A. fully built out and/or B. too expensive for lots of people

“White flight”. Only 56% of Frisco is non Hispanic white. Edmond is 70%+.Norman is 70%+.
McKinney is 58%. Plano is 51%.

Most of Texas growth is POC.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-2020-census/

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I didn't specify non-Latinx white.

It's middle- and upper-middle-class people, which was my point. There is little to no affordable housing in those areas.

Seeking homogeneity? Where is your factual evidence of this? DFW is a melting pot. If people truly wanted to homogeneity they wouldn’t live in Texas.
You said white flight.. That can have racial overtones that all the white people are running scared from minorities. That is untrue. Demographics prove that. Saying cities have nice neighborhoods and nice facilities so it must be white flight has racial overtones. Most ISDs in Collin County are less than 45% non Hispanic white. https://www.har.com/school/list/county/COLLIN

Hundreds of Californians move to Texas every week. A majority of which are Hispanic. And if they move to DFW it’s Denton County and Collin County.

And what even is affordable housing anymore? Home prices in DFW are insane right now and you always get outbid by either Californians or private equity firms that buy in cash then rent out the properties. How does a young married couple fresh in their careers buy a home? No idea. Want to rent an apartment? Get your wallet out.

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I'm specifically talking about Frisco and those far north communities.

And the same forces are driving people to live in these far-flung communities that have always driven them to the suburbs, which is all these places are -- just big ones.

Pete, with all due respect, I think you are out over your skis on this one saying that people are moving to Frisco and far north communities because of white flight. Besides the demographic facts I have provided above I'll give you some forces that are driving people to Frisco and far north communities (Collin County and Denton County as I mentioned above): Toyota, Liberty Mutual, JPMorgan Chase, the Dallas Cowboys, the PGA, insurer FM Global, the list goes on and on of tech companies moving there. Again just for the sake of it, here are more "far north" high school demographics in Denton and Collin counties.

Denton Ryan HS (home of OSU's Spencer Sanders): 33% non-hispanic White
Allen HS (home of Kyler Murray): 47% White
Frisco Lone Star (home of OU star receiver Marvin Mimms): 39% White
Frisco HS: 41% White
Plano HS: 41% White
Plano East: 28% White
Plano West: 35% White
The Colony HS: 38% White
Denton HS: 42% White

All majority minority demographics.

The white percentage share of the population in Collin County has dropped significantly over the past 10 years: https://communityimpact.com/dallas-fort-worth/plano/data-reference/2020/06/25/data-collin-county-population-grows-older-more-diverse-in-last-10-years/

To move past the white fixation, perhaps socio-economic flight is more accurate. The only two freeways in and out of Frisco and a lot of those northern suburbs are tollways.


In any event, they are still suburbs in the way Edmond is a suburb and generally horribly planned communities by any modern understanding of urban living. I'm sure most of the people that choose to live in these places don't care much about that.

So many economic and cultural fallacies are being casually thrown out here.

To move past the white fixation, perhaps socio-economic flight is more accurate. The only two freeways in and out of Frisco and a lot of those northern suburbs are tollways.


In any event, they are still suburbs in the way Edmond is a suburb and generally horribly planned communities by any modern understanding of urban living. I'm sure most of the people that choose to live in these places don't care much about that.

If you haven't been to Frisco/Plano/McKinney, these area's are very self-sustaining suburban economic boomtowns with high disposable income levels. Getting in and out isn't a major priority and when it is, they generally have the means to pay a few tolls.

Frisco TX getting a PGA Omni Resort
https://dallas.culturemap.com/news/travel/05-10-22-omni-pga-frisco-resort/?fbclid=IwAR1IQqQraSjtu4TkPVyD9fHjHB3s1je1A1nojbbl yJTz5_0oQNazqb8Gycg

Frisco TX getting a PGA Omni Resort
https://dallas.culturemap.com/news/travel/05-10-22-omni-pga-frisco-resort/?fbclid=IwAR1IQqQraSjtu4TkPVyD9fHjHB3s1je1A1nojbbl yJTz5_0oQNazqb8Gycg
I am so jealous of this.

Freakonomics is my favorite podcast because not only is it interesting and smart, they layer in lots of factual information and data instead of just a couple of guys spouting their opinions. They also do a great job of having experts and info that counter merely what one person has to say which results is a well-rounded approach.


One of the more interesting things about those two eps on DFW is this: there are 15 cities with more 100,000+ people in North Texas. The entire state of Oklahoma has just three (OKC, Tulsa and Norman).

They talk a lot about the 'polycentric' nature of the area, in that there are lots of hubs that function as a traditional downtown, with a concentration of offices, shopping, housing and cultural attractions. At the same time, all those separate municipalities compete against each other with ever-escalating economic incentives.

And they do talk about education but I believe it gets far too little emphasis in their analysis. Yes, South Dallas is primarily poor with correspondingly poor and underperforming schools, but of course most people with families live in one of the hundreds of suburban independent school districts which offer generally excellent public education. On top of that, Texas has several excellent universities, so all of that combines to form a nicely educated and skilled workforce. And their cost of housing is in the same ballpark as OKC and Tulsa, which is to say way, way more affordable than most cities and metro areas of their size.

The total package along with pretty good weather is compelling to companies operating in a bigger coastal city, especially because now DFW has tons of cultural amenities and an airport that allows you to easily fly almost anywhere in the world.

4. Broken Arrow at 113k https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/brokenarrowcityoklahoma/POP010220#POP010220

4. Broken Arrow at 113k https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/brokenarrowcityoklahoma/POP010220#POP010220

Edmond will also reach 100k population sometime in the years of 2025-2027, assuming growth is similar to what was seen between 2010-2020.