Yeah not too mention that was basically a carbon copy of the motel in Moore.

Springhill Suites were permanent and incredibly ugly.

Like.

We have/need design standards, not cost standards. In fact we dont want high quality design to HAVE to cost more.

I agree 100%. I don’t feel like old shipping containers randomly stacked and painted red equal the design standards were looking for now as a city. I think this sends mixed signals and sets a double standard. High quality design is usually synonymous with higher cost if you’re being realistic. I could see this development working in the Farmers Market where it’s still considered a risky investment.


Springhill Suites were permanent and incredibly ugly. These are temporary but great looking. But of course, I love Stage Center.

For the record I’m not a fan of the Springhill Suites renderings. I would be curious to find out what level of design and commitment we’re trying to achieve now especially in one the most visible and prime pieces of real estate in our city? Is it simply a matter of public opinion or do we have tangible minimum requirements?

This is a very innovative response to a site that is woefully underutilized. It has all of the potential in the world but it is simply not participating in the activation of the area in its current form. A brilliant strategy to set up a business incubator and allow small businesses to try their hands with a nice and sheik office space with a great address close in proximity to the CBD and all of the happening areas. This will become an instant landmark that will draw a great deal of attention to an otherwise forgotten parcel asphalt. It will generate some revenue for the land owner which is a lot better than just requiring payment of property taxes. It will also likely pique developers interest in what the potential for that location could be. Potentially a much grander use and potentially a much larger facility that may address the same need but on a larger scale. I am not suggesting a larger version of the same on the site, but as was suggested earlier these could then be relocated and set up on another vacant site and it could be a phenomenal success. The proof is not if every business that leases becomes a fortune 500 but rather that out of it many will have a chance at becoming something and may realize that their ideas are either sound or not with a relatively short Commercial commitment. If in two years they have proven themselves, they will likely be needing to expand anyway. This gives them time to demonstrate to lenders the viability of the business model and then secure a long term lease somewhere else where they can truly grow to reach their potential. Great layout, striking design, great initial use of the site and has already been effective just based on the discussion this has generated in this forum. It will have the same effect once installed and that is what a healthy and diverse urban fabric should be! Excited for this and hope it does not face any issues in the review.

They have already filed for a $150,000 building permit for this project.

We may see something happen there very quickly.

As this concept is laid out in the rendering, am I understanding correctly this is intended to be three, two story units, and not six units?

Did this project die? I would think it would have been a great place for shops during the winter for local Christmas Shopping. Are they just waiting until spring to open for better weather?

Was wondering that same thing this time last week, then the weather changed and my mind wandered off to other more inbound sort of things.

Just received this note from Wade Scaramucci, the project architect:


OKSEA most definitely not dead and becoming much more interesting. I’d love to say more but really cannot at this point. There will an announcement made early in Q1 next year.

Just received this note from Wade Scaramucci, the project architect:

Interesting. Maybe bigger than originally planned and permanent pop-up shops? Wonder if Allison Bailey knows anything about this.

Actually, I think what is happening here is that they are moving up the permanent development for this site (Maywood Flatiron) and relocating the container project to another nearby site.

Steve has Scaramucci on his live chat tomorrow.

Actually, I think what is happening here is that they are moving up the permanent development for this site (Maywood Flatiron) and relocating the container project to another nearby site.

Geez. I hope so!

Steve has Scaramucci on his live chat tomorrow.

I already have six questions typed up and ready to ask him.

Pete, do you think they will stay in the DD area? Maybe they could move it across the street to that parking lot?

I believe the plan is to keep the container project very nearby.

However, I doubt Wade will say much about any of this as they want to make an official announcement sometime after the first of the year.

As this concept is laid out in the rendering, am I understanding correctly this is intended to be three, two story units, and not six units?

Gee, self, I still don't know of this is intended as 3 or 6 spaces. Maybe someone else does?

Gee, self, I still don't know of this is intended as 3 or 6 spaces. Maybe someone else does?

From the third and fourth pictures from the top, it looks like it will just be three units, two stories each.

Gee, self, I still don't know of this is intended as 3 or 6 spaces. Maybe someone else does?

haha. That's funny. Wish I could help you, but I'm curious myself.

$500,000 Building Permit for this lot by City Center Development (Is this the Ron Bradshaw group (Maywood)?)

Permit says 2 Story Office, Bank, or Professional Building totaling 4,800 square feet.

This is on the east side of and next to the Clark Building in Deep Deuce.


This is the relocation of the original OKSea project (http://www.okctalk.com/showwiki.php?title=Original+OKSea+Project+relocate d&highlight=oksea).

Is this the lot currently rented out for parking?

^

No, this is a new project by Ron Bradshaw & Co. They own the little property between the parking lot east of the Clark building and west of the pocket park which is right next to Aloft.

It's only .3134 acres (90 x 150), and that includes about half the pocket park.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/30ne2.JPG

The architects are AHMM (Level, Mosaic, Bindery, Rock Island Plow, OKSEA, etc.) so should be slick.

Has not yet been presented for design review. I'll see what I can find out.

Ah, I see.

If they use all of the available 2nd street frontage (not including the pocket park) it would result in a two story building about 48 ft by 49ft, to equal 4,800 square feet. Wouldn't use anywhere near the entire lot.

Anxious to see plans.

Pete, when those permits are pulled, is the wording always the same? IE "office, bank or professional building", or does the inclusion of one of those perhaps provide a clue (bank, for instance)?

That particular wording is a general category they select on the application.

But it also lists existing use as "vacant" (which means unimproved land) and proposed use says "office".

I believe they've already missed the deadline for being considered for the next Downtown Design Review Committee on Jan. 16th.

Aha. Thanks for the clarification, even though it ironically murkied things up a little!

This has likely been answered before I'm sure, but how often does the design review committee review proposals.

It's be nicer to move this about 40 feet west and keep the green space.

^ I doubt they will build in or on the pocket park. Very seriously doubt it. That corner needs a building on it, the other 3 corners of the intersection are defined, this corner needs to be defined too.

2nd street will be a very urban street: Business (Calvary building, this development, and the dentist office(?)). Retail (Native Roots, the hair place), restaurants (urban Johnnie, DD grill), bars (wxyz lounge, WSKY), tons of residential, and a hotel. Probably missing a few things too.

This has likely been answered before I'm sure, but how often does the design review committee review proposals.

Once a month.

^ I doubt they will build in or on the pocket park. Very seriously doubt it. That corner needs a building on it, the other 3 corners of the intersection are defined, this corner needs to be defined too.

2nd street will be a very urban street: Business (Calvary building, this development, and the dentist office(?)). Retail (Native Roots, the hair place), restaurants (urban Johnnie, DD grill), bars (wxyz lounge, WSKY), tons of residential, and a hotel. Probably missing a few things too.

You're probably right.

It's be nicer to move this about 40 feet west and keep the green space.

Notice in the pic above that the property lines for Maywood Lofts and Level meet at the middle of 2nd St. & Oklahoma Ave. intersection. They won't build into the pocket park. That's just the limitations of the property line.

I tend to think the pocket park would be a grandfathered sidewalk easement, like any sidewalk is.

Notice in the pic above that the property lines for Maywood Lofts and Level meet at the middle of 2nd St. & Oklahoma Ave. intersection. They won't build into the pocket park. That's just the limitations of the property line.

And it's a relatively small building. Actually, very small, even for that plot of land. I hope it's something decent.

Okay, I've learned more about this project but was asked to keep it under my hat until a public announcement can be made in a few weeks.

First of all, the land is owned by Richard McKown (Level, Mosaic).

Secondly, this will be much more interesting than a small office building.


Sorry to be so coy but I always respect requests for privacy, unless something is already in the public domain and the full plans for this are not as of yet.

Cool. Thanks for the heads up, Pete.

This is the development we need and should want because it helps frame the plaza park on all corners. Framing important corners, in this case a pocket park that has yet to realize its full potential but still could, is far more important than mid-block development when it comes to placemaking.

Zip line to Rock Island Plow?

There are 4 shipping containers sitting on the site, I noticed today. The construction fence is down and it looks like they've cleared away a bunch of the building materials being used for the Maywood Apartments.

Okay, now that this project has officially hit the Board of Adjustment agenda for next week, I can reveal that this will be the relocation of the proposed OKSea project.

My understanding is that the Maywood Flatiron site that was to be the location of OKCSea, is now being considered for permanent development. Do not yet know if it will be similar to what has already been proposed for Maywood Flatiron or not.

OKCSea will have to be scaled down somewhat to fit but this will be an awesome site and development. From their application:


OKSea is a regeneration project that activates an underutilized plot of land on NE 2nd Street, and gives new purpose to an adjacent public open space. The intent is to bring new, affordable office and retail opportunities to an area that is currently under-served by such provisions. The use of reconditioned shipping containers as the structure of this proposal facilitates quick construction, but also creates a demountable building that can be relocated and reused. It is intended that the short term provision of these facilities on this site will prepare it for a future, permanent development.

The appearance of the shipping containers plays to the concept of a transitory building and is deliberately expressed. The arrangement of boxes on the site defines exterior spaces that will augment the little-used public space adjacent; it will enliven the (informal) pedestrian route from Deep Deuce to Bricktown; the stepped, stacking form of the boxes rises to the intersection of NE 2nd Street and Oklahoma Avenue and gives it a presence on the street; large areas of the containers are cut away and re-clad with storefront glazing. The owner and developer, City Center Development, has already made major contributions to this neighborhood and has a vested interest in its ongoing success; the temporary nature of this scheme has not diminished the ambitions of the developer or their architect to deliver another high-quality building in Deep Deuce.



http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/development-buildings/6522d1391201932-30-ne-2nd-street-okseanew2.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/development-buildings/6521d1391201931-30-ne-2nd-street-okseanew1.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/development-buildings/5298d1387049084-oksea-flatiron5.jpg
(This is a rendering from the previous OKSea location)

This project is being moved to 30 NE 2nd Street - OKCTalk (http://www.okctalk.com/showwiki.php?title=30%20NE%202nd%20Street) to make way for a permanent development.

Hope to have more details soon.

zip line to rock island plow?

omg yes!!!!!!!

This is good!

Does that mean the previous site is being used for something else?

Does that mean the previous site is being used for something else?

Yes, but not sure if it will be similar to the previously proposed Maywood Flatiron or entirely different.

Should have details soon.

Great use of the space!

Great use of the space!

Yes this will interact great with the pocket park!

NM I didn't read thoroughly...

Didn't see that coming. I dig it.

There are 4 shipping containers sitting on the site, I noticed today. The construction fence is down and it looks like they've cleared away a bunch of the building materials being used for the Maywood Apartments.

This location wasn't used for the building materials. And never had a construction fence

This project is being moved to 30 NE 2nd Street - OKCTalk (http://www.okctalk.com/showwiki.php?title=30%20NE%202nd%20Street) to make way for a permanent development.

Hope to have more details soon.

I'd love to see something permanent here!

It was used for some construction staging, whether it should have been or not.

This project is being moved to 30 NE 2nd Street - OKCTalk (http://www.okctalk.com/showwiki.php?title=30%20NE%202nd%20Street) to make way for a permanent development.

Hope to have more details soon.

Wonderful spot to move it!

This location wasn't used for the building materials. And never had a construction fence

I was talking about the original site, which certainly did have construction materials and at least as of this morning had four shipping containers sitting on site. I live a block away.

I didn't see it coming either but I'm good with it. It's like our own little neighborhood Stage Center and will help fill that hole in my heart.

Also, it's likely to bring a much-needed coffee shop.

You've got to think that would be one of the tenants.

Originally, Richard said there was going to be a coffee shop in Mosaic. I don't know if that plan has gone by the wayside.

^

I think that is still happening but this would be temporary, remember.

I don't want it to be temporary.

I'm suggesting that there could be a coffee shop at OKSea until one opens in Mosaic or elsewhere in the area, perhaps operated by the same people who would open the permanent location.