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I'm sorry but who's Opera?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and state the OP typed Oprah but the auto spell check thingie changed it to Opera.
mugofbeer 12-22-2013, 07:18 PM I'm going to go out on a limb here and state the OP typed Oprah but the auto spell check thingie changed it to Opera.
Thx. You are correct. 1 problem with using a not-so-smart phone.
Chadanth 12-22-2013, 08:30 PM ...and Phil is not a paid representative of A&E. He is a character on a show they air. He might get paid to be on show, but they pay him to be himself (i.e. reality TV). Alas, the family has $400 million. I am sure they will manage just fine. On the other hand, A&E will be lucky to survive.
You're either joking or deranged. A&E is doing just fine.
RadicalModerate 12-22-2013, 09:40 PM You're either joking or deranged. A&E is doing just fine.
Ya' know . . . in the final analysis . . . I 'spose A&E is doing just that.
Why . . . If'n it warn't fer them Robertson Boys' bullheaded, coonass, stubborndonkeyesque "lousiana" pride over this non-issue du jour, everyone could come out smellin' like a rose.
Heck . . . I was just about to suggest t' Phil that if'n he bought up GQ and A&E and Cracker Barrel at the same time (leveragin' support, o' course, from "the masses" in order to include some re-Fabed version o' some Cracker Barrels--includin' a bar and Daisy Mae clad waitpersonstaff)-- it could be rebranded "Tooters".
With duck calls at every table.
Phil said No. On account of his so-called "religious" beliefs . . . yet I think he really meant it from The Heart.
kevinpate 12-22-2013, 10:19 PM Tooters.
:Smiley051
RadicalModerate 12-22-2013, 10:39 PM Tooters.
:Smiley051
Whut the heck . . . How about buyin' Vast and re-branding it . . . Huey Long's Vista View? =)
A&E could probably turn it into a "reality TV series" . . . can you imagine the dramatic conflicts?
Midtowner 12-22-2013, 11:07 PM Which posts said that?
Anyone who has suggested his First Amendment rights have in any way been violated.
ThomPaine 12-22-2013, 11:28 PM Duck Dynasty Fans Are Sending Me Ridiculous Hate Mail - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/duck-dynasty-fans-are-sending-me-ridiculous-hate-mail-2013-12)
RadicalModerate 12-22-2013, 11:57 PM Anyone who has suggested his First Amendment rights have in any way been violated.
. . . is totally out of touch with reality?
(objection, yer honor . . . Counsel is leading the Witless . . . )
RadicalModerate 12-22-2013, 11:59 PM Duck Dynasty Fans Are Sending Me Ridiculous Hate Mail - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/duck-dynasty-fans-are-sending-me-ridiculous-hate-mail-2013-12)
Dang. Who'd a thunk it?
kelroy55 12-23-2013, 06:10 AM Which is exactly what A&E should have done.
Phil didn't make his comments on A&E, he didn't mention A&E in his comments, and he did say he spoke on behalf of A&E. It is the equivalent of me saying something about Jax on MetroJacksonville.com and getting banned from OKCTalk for it.
If he came out against lets say Black or Jews would it be OK?
Just the facts 12-23-2013, 06:38 AM If he came out against lets say Black or Jews would it be OK?
He didn't come out against anyone, he came out against sin. Maybe that is the part many of you are missing.
Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson says he is a lover not a hater | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2528043/Duck-Dynasty-family-seen-today.html)
Wouldn't you agree that the world would be a better place if there was no sin?
Garin 12-23-2013, 07:05 AM If he came out against lets say Black or Jews would it be OK?
Or Christians? This seems to be the only group of people that can be bashed every single day with no repercussion. Its the largest alternative group and class of people yet its OK to degrade them every chance.
Where is the great Obuma when you need him? The country is more dived now then it was 40 years ago, and its not a coincidence it was all planned that way.
mkjeeves 12-23-2013, 07:14 AM Wouldn't you agree that the world would be a better place if there was no sin?
In the Islamic definition, a gay Christian man's definition, Phil's or yours? I left out atheists since that word doesn't apply in their beliefs.
kelroy55 12-23-2013, 07:19 AM He didn't come out against anyone, he came out against sin. Maybe that is the part many of you are missing.
Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson says he is a lover not a hater | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2528043/Duck-Dynasty-family-seen-today.html)
Wouldn't you agree that the world would be a better place if there was no sin?
Yes I agree the world would be a better place without sin but I don't consider being gay a sin. There are lots of sins listed in the Bible like wearing mixed cloth or doing any labor on the Sabbath, did he come out against those?
Chadanth 12-23-2013, 07:22 AM Or Christians? This seems to be the only group of people that can be bashed every single day with no repercussion. Its the largest alternative group and class of people yet its OK to degrade them every chance.
Where is the great Obuma when you need him? The country is more dived now then it was 40 years ago, and its not a coincidence it was all planned that way.
You spend a significant portion of your time on here blaming the world's ills on others and wonder why we're "more dived (divided) now then (than) it was 40 years ago". Please tell me how it was planned and executed.
TaoMaas 12-23-2013, 07:36 AM Or Christians? This seems to be the only group of people that can be bashed every single day with no repercussion. Its the largest alternative group and class of people yet its OK to degrade them every chance.
You can go to the tiniest town in America and there'll be a very good chance that there will be no 7-11 store...no Wal Mart or McDonalds...no synagogue, mosque, or temple...but there'll most likely be a Christian church in town. There is no war on Christianity. However, there IS a war on the idiocy that believes Christians are persecuted across the board. When did this mentality of victimhood take over?
Just the facts 12-23-2013, 07:43 AM Yes I agree the world would be a better place without sin but I don't consider being gay a sin. There are lots of sins listed in the Bible like wearing mixed cloth or doing any labor on the Sabbath, did he come out against those?
Labor on the Sabbath was a Jewish law. Christians don't live under the Law of Moses. Alas, you and I don't get to decide what sin is and is not. I hear people always say "times are different now", but those people have no idea what they are talking about. Homosexuality is documented through out the history of the world. So is murder and theft and every vice we have today. There is nothing morally new in 2013 that didn't exist in 2013 BC or 33AD.
Chadanth 12-23-2013, 07:45 AM Labor on the Sabbath was a Jewish law. Christians don't live under the Law of Moses. Alas, you and I don't get to decide what sin is and is not. I hear people always say "times are different now", but those people have no idea what they are talking about. Homosexuality is documented through out the history of the world. So is murder and theft and every vice we have today. There is nothing morally new in 2013 that didn't exist in 2013 BC or 33AD.
Just that what some call sin others might call normal behavior. Or personal choice.
no1cub17 12-23-2013, 07:50 AM Labor on the Sabbath was a Jewish law. Christians don't live under the Law of Moses. Alas, you and I don't get to decide what sin is and is not. I hear people always say "times are different now", but those people have no idea what they are talking about. Homosexuality is documented through out the history of the world. So is murder and theft and every vice we have today. There is nothing morally new in 2013 that didn't exist in 2013 BC or 33AD.
Sure, "you and I" don't get to decide - but are you saying someone else does - and has? LOL the victimization of Christianity. Nothing makes me LOL more than to hear that.
Just the facts 12-23-2013, 07:57 AM Sure, "you and I" don't get to decide - but are you saying someone else does - and has? LOL the victimization of Christianity. Nothing makes me LOL more than to hear that.
Yes, God decided and just so there was no confusion, it was written down for us. If you choose not to believe it, that's up to you, but you won't be able to use the "no one told me" defense.
Anyhow, we already had this portion of the debate on another thread so no point in repeating all of that.
Back to topic, it appears that A&E is retracting their ban on Phil and now they are just crafting the strategy to announce it.
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OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 08:30 AM You can go to the tiniest town in America and there'll be a very good chance that there will be no 7-11 store...no Wal Mart or McDonalds...no synagogue, mosque, or temple...but there'll most likely be a Christian church in town. There is no war on Christianity. However, there IS a war on the idiocy that believes Christians are persecuted across the board. When did this mentality of victimhood take over?
I don't know if there is a formal declaration against the Christians but there is a great deal of "push-back" in the public forum.
Persecution is not a new thing with our faith, it has been around for a couple of thousand years. In the same book (The Bible) that Phil was referencing states in Matt 5:10, the persecuted will have the kingdom of heaven.
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 08:38 AM Anyone who has suggested his First Amendment rights have in any way been violated.
Let's see, Phil was Not at the "workplace" & "off hours", so all the corporate law does not apply. Phil was speaking about "his faith", not your faith / belief, but HIS personal faith / belief. That (seperates) this cconversation between Civil rights (as an individual) & Corporate Law.
mkjeeves 12-23-2013, 08:43 AM I don't know if there is a formal declaration against the Christians but there is a great deal of "push-back" in the public forum.
Persecution is not a new thing with our faith, it has been around for a couple of thousand years. In the same book (The Bible) that Phil was referencing states in Matt 5:10, the persecuted will have the kingdom of heaven.
On the other hand, there is a formal declaration against non-Christians in the Christian dogma, to convert them if nothing else. Claiming "push-back" as persecution ignores that 1000 pound gorilla in the room.
Chadanth 12-23-2013, 08:47 AM Let's see, Phil was Not at the "workplace" & "off hours", so all the corporate law does not apply. Phil was speaking about "his faith", not your faith / belief, but HIS personal faith / belief. That (seperates) this cconversation between Civil rights (as an individual) & Corporate Law.
We have no idea what is in his contract with A&E, but they will frequently include provisions on interviews and media appearances. Regardless A&E knew beforehand what his views were, as cited in articles offered previously. He spoke his mind, and there were consequences from his employer. Happens all the time.
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 08:49 AM Yes I agree the world would be a better place without sin but I don't consider being gay a sin. There are lots of sins listed in the Bible like wearing mixed cloth or doing any labor on the Sabbath, did he come out against those?
To all NON Christians, you may not get it. Phil was talking (referencing / quoting) The Bible. The Word of God. Phil was speaking about (sin) for ALL men / women.
Non Christians can read The Living Word of God, but you may not "understand" it.
jerrywall 12-23-2013, 08:50 AM Let's see, Phil was Not at the "workplace" & "off hours", so all the corporate law does not apply. Phil was speaking about "his faith", not your faith / belief, but HIS personal faith / belief. That (seperates) this cconversation between Civil rights (as an individual) & Corporate Law.
It would only be about civil rights if the government was prosecuting or punishing him for his comments in some way.
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 08:52 AM On the other hand, there is a formal declaration against non-Christians in the Christian dogma, to convert them if nothing else. Claiming "push-back" as persecution ignores that 1000 pound gorilla in the room.
The Great Commission. To spread the gospel. To spread the message to All the Ends of the Earth. Now, the acceptance portion of that message is a personal decision only that person can decide.
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 09:08 AM We have no idea what is in his contract with A&E, but they will frequently include provisions on interviews and media appearances. Regardless A&E knew beforehand what his views were, as cited in articles offered previously. He spoke his mind, and there were consequences from his employer. Happens all the time.
Yes, I'm sure there are a few (provisional) items listed ( but they would be specific) to a conduct. In Phil's position, we was speaking about "his personal belief". Let that "sink in". This is where the Civil Rights begin.
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 09:12 AM It would only be about civil rights if the government was prosecuting or punishing him for his comments in some way.
No. Corporations are not above the Constitution.
kelroy55 12-23-2013, 09:12 AM To all NON Christians, you may not get it. Phil was talking (referencing / quoting) The Bible. The Word of God. Phil was speaking about (sin) for ALL men / women.
Non Christians can read The Living Word of God, but you may not "understand" it.
Seems he was also being selective on what sins he doesn't like.
Chadanth 12-23-2013, 09:18 AM Yes, I'm sure there are a few (provisional) items listed ( but they would be specific) to a conduct. In Phil's position, we was speaking about "his personal belief". Let that "sink in". This is where the Civil Rights begin.
You don't have a constitutional right to a tv show. He government didn't step in, or prohibit his speech. He wasn't jailed. He wasn't silenced. He spoke his mind, and his employer, or an entity he is contractually obligated to, apparently didn't like it. His rights weren't violated unless A&E violated a portion of their contract, which we are not privy to. So no, his "civil rights" are not in question.
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 09:19 AM Seems he was also being selective on what sins he doesn't like.
No, that is not correct. Phil put them all in the same category... as equal in the eyes of the Lord. Phil was quoting this portion of The LIving Word of God. All sin is the same, that is what Phil was speaing about.
onthestrip 12-23-2013, 09:30 AM He didn't come out against anyone, he came out against sin. Maybe that is the part many of you are missing.
Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson says he is a lover not a hater | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2528043/Duck-Dynasty-family-seen-today.html)
Wouldn't you agree that the world would be a better place if there was no sin?
In his attempt to come out against sin he compared homosexuals (who are born with these sexual desires) to having sex with an animal. He did the worst job of coming out against sin
And maybe you should just ask if the world would be a better place if there were no evil. There are things that Christians consider as sin that arent evil. Homosexuality is one of them. I dont consider a gay person as evil.
Gays sure get bashed a bunch for their "sinful" ways but why dont speeders get the same treatment. Isnt not obeying the law of the land considered a sin? Why dont we lump speeders together with homosexuals?
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 09:30 AM You don't have a constitutional right to a tv show. He government didn't step in, or prohibit his speech. He wasn't jailed. He wasn't silenced. He spoke his mind, and his employer, or an entity he is contractually obligated to, apparently didn't like it. His rights weren't violated unless A&E violated a portion of their contract, which we are not privy to. So no, his "civil rights" are not in question.
It doesn't matter what any group ( Government / Corporation / Private Party Group : Teamsters ) likes / agrees w/ it or not. The Civil portion is seperate. In Federal Court, this will go all the way up and find Phil was "restricted / fired" him for his personal belief? Not in a workplace. Not on duty. Phil was "witnessing" as part of his faith / belief. When Phil was "restricted by this group", then he has merit.
onthestrip 12-23-2013, 09:36 AM Let's see, Phil was Not at the "workplace" & "off hours", so all the corporate law does not apply. Phil was speaking about "his faith", not your faith / belief, but HIS personal faith / belief. That (seperates) this cconversation between Civil rights (as an individual) & Corporate Law.
Corporate law? Tell me of this corporate law that A&E must follow. Because Im pretty sure A&E can follow pretty much follow their own "law" when it comes to the hiring and firing of their employees.
Chadanth 12-23-2013, 09:40 AM It doesn't matter what any group ( Government / Corporation / Private Party Group : Teamsters ) likes / agrees w/ it or not. The Civil portion is seperate. In Federal Court, this will go all the way up and find Phil was "restricted / fired" him for his personal belief? Not in a workplace. Not on duty. Phil was "witnessing" as part of his faith / belief. When Phil was "restricted by this group", then he has merit.
Do you have an example of that? It didn't go well for Paula Deen.
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 09:44 AM Corporate law? Tell me of this corporate law that A&E must follow. Because Im pretty sure A&E can follow pretty much follow their own "law" when it comes to the hiring and firing of their employees.
REally, the structure that is "in-place" for all employers are the FEDERAL / Civil Rights (Constitutional ) portions of the law. That does not "go away". Like I said, Corporations must follow the Rules of the Road too.
Chadanth 12-23-2013, 09:50 AM REally, the structure that is "in-place" for all employers are the FEDERAL / Civil Rights (Constitutional ) portions of the law. That does not "go away". Like I said, Corporations must follow the Rules of the Road too.
You're saying that a corporation cannot fire someone for their speech?
Roger S 12-23-2013, 09:50 AM REally, the structure that is "in-place" for all employers are the FEDERAL / Civil Rights (Constitutional ) portions of the law. That does not "go away". Like I said, Corporations must follow the Rules of the Road too.
If you and I were to mutually agree to sign a legal contract that restricted you from using any adjectives while under that contract. The 1st Amendment would not help you in any way if you chose to use an adjective while the contract was binding and I fired you.
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 09:50 AM Do you have an example of that? It didn't go well for Paula Deen.
These (2) items are seperated by "faith / belief / religion" w/ Phil and Paula's was not part of an organized religion w/ common practices. ie. witnessing for the Christians.
Edmond_Outsider 12-23-2013, 09:52 AM A person in Robertson's place has many bosses--direct and indirect. Most likely, his contract has a part which says he can be released if he does anything which is against the network's policy or does anything to make advertisers bail.
As for the theological argument, he is clearly elevating one catagory of sin above all others while committing many sins in the process. Then, he claims to be a sinner, but not as bad a sinner as those he rebukes. Theologically, this works for a particular ideology based theology--IE culture war theology.
One can debate the merits of this view all day. However, this is his and is not really any more valid than the millions of others proclaimed as the ultimate truth over thepast 2000 years.
The biggest sinner may be the one who claims to own the one truth in spirituality. It is most certainly the largest fallacy of theology to claim one size fits all.
In the southern baptist church I was raised in, I was told all must have the "personal" relationship to god and in the next sentence was usually as statement about that personal relationship needing to be defined by somebody else. This seemed inconsistant to me even as a grade schooler.
Chadanth 12-23-2013, 09:55 AM These (2) items are seperated by "faith / belief / religion" w/ Phil and Paula's was not part of an organized religion w/ common practices. ie. witnessing for the Christians.
There's no special carve-out for Christians. Speech is speech, protected (in theory) from government intrusion but not from contractual obligations.
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 09:57 AM You're saying that a corporation cannot fire someone for their speech?
Yes at the workplace or if there are seperate or additional provisions excluding someone from a "listed" or specific behaviors.
Now, this provision is DOES NOT exclude them from the Federal Laws that are already in place for the Civil Rights / Constituon / Rules of the Road.
onthestrip 12-23-2013, 09:58 AM REally, the structure that is "in-place" for all employers are the FEDERAL / Civil Rights (Constitutional ) portions of the law. That does not "go away". Like I said, Corporations must follow the Rules of the Road too.
I think Im going to have to put you in the Prunepicker category and just stop responding to your posts because you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 10:04 AM There's no special carve-out for Christians. Speech is speech, protected (in theory) from government intrusion but not from contractual obligations.
Freedom of Religion is to all (not just Christians). I just stated how Phil was practicing his belief "at the time" in a NON work related event.
Chadanth 12-23-2013, 10:09 AM Freedom of Religion is to all (not just Christians). I just stated how Phil was practicing his belief "at the time" in a NON work related event.
Care to cite an actual law or court decision to back up your claim that he cannot be sanctioned by his employer?
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 10:11 AM I think Im going to have to put you in the Prunepicker category and just stop responding to your posts because you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.
Whether you agree or not, doesn't change the Law / Constitution. In Phil's case, his practicing (witnessing) his "religion" will have merit in Federal Court. Period.
kelroy55 12-23-2013, 10:18 AM No, that is not correct. Phil put them all in the same category... as equal in the eyes of the Lord. Phil was quoting this portion of The LIving Word of God. All sin is the same, that is what Phil was speaing about.
I wonder if Phil wears mixed thread or does any labor on Sundays. Did he have a Hebrew servant? Did he sell his daughter as a slave?
kelroy55 12-23-2013, 10:18 AM Whether you agree or not, doesn't change the Law / Constitution. In Phil's case, his practicing (witnessing) his "religion" will have merit in Federal Court. Period.
Who denied him his 1st Amendment rights?
OKVision4U 12-23-2013, 10:34 AM If you and I were to mutually agree to sign a legal contract that restricted you from using any adjectives while under that contract. The 1st Amendment would not help you in any way if you chose to use an adjective while the contract was binding and I fired you.
In Federal Court, you would find that "legal contract" would be thrown-out and Non-binding in Phil's case. He is "practicing" his belief in a NON work related location or event. Witnessing as a Christian is a common practice. The Constitution / First Amendment buries ANY contract (or law) that prevents a person's access to that right.
Jersey Boss 12-23-2013, 10:34 AM This is what Jesus says about homosexuality: " "
Chadanth 12-23-2013, 10:36 AM In Federal Court, you would find that "legal contract" would be thrown-out and Non-binding in Phil's case. He is "practicing" his belief in a NON work related location or event. Witnessing as a Christian is a common practice. The Constitution / First Amendment buries ANY contract (or law) that prevents a person's access to that right.
Again, do you have anything to substantiate that?
Jersey Boss 12-23-2013, 10:36 AM In Federal Court, you would find that "legal contract" would be thrown-out and Non-binding in Phil's case. He is "practicing" his belief in a NON work related location or event. Witnessing as a Christian is a common practice. The Constitution / First Amendment buries ANY contract (or law) that prevents a person's access to that right.
So if one turns up a dirty UA at work, the claim of being a practicing Rastafarian trumps the employer firing you?
Garin 12-23-2013, 10:37 AM Care to cite an actual law or court decision to back up your claim that he cannot be sanctioned by his employer?
SEATTLE (AP) — A Seattle-area Muslim man who said his former employer fired him because of the beard he wears for religious reason has been awarded more than $66,000, although most of that will go to attorney fees.
Abdulkadir Omar said he doesn't care about the money.
"It's not even about the money," he said. "It's about standing up for something you believe in."
In 2011, Omar filed his federal lawsuit in Seattle against Sacramento, Calif.-based American Patriot Security, seeking back pay and unspecified damages for emotional pain and loss of enjoyment of life, among other reasons.
According to the lawsuit, Omar was hired by a local manager of the security company in May 2009 and earned $9 an hour guarding a FedEx warehouse in Kent, Wash. He said he started the same day he was hired, and was not told about the clean-shaven policy.
In November 2009, a supervisor from headquarters told him he had to shave his beard because of the policy. Omar refused, saying his beard is part of his religious beliefs. He was suspended, and fired the following spring, the lawsuit said.
An email inquiry to the security company on Wednesday was not immediately returned.
"I truly hope that my case shows millions of American Muslims when they stand up whether it's at work or school, that they will win," Omar said. "I stood up and I won. I want my case to serve as an example."
Born in Yemen, Omar said he immigrated to the United States when he was 10.
"I grew up in this country, I've been living here all of my life. Just like everybody else, I'm an American," he said.
The default judgment says that more than $50,000 of the $66,000 award is for attorney fees, while most of the rest goes to Omar, who said he was unemployed for nine months after being dismissed by American Patriot.
Omar sued the security firm with the help of the Washington chapter of the Council for American-Islamic Relations.
"Religious freedom is the law of the land," said Arsalan Bukhari, executive director of the Washington state CAIR office. "I think religious freedom is what makes American unique and we have very clear laws that states employers, schools must accommodate religious observances."
Garin 12-23-2013, 10:43 AM This is what Jesus says about homosexuality: " "
Genesis 19:1-13
1The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2"My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning." "No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square." 3But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house. 5They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." 6Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof." 9"Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. 10But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door. 12The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here--sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it." (NIV)
Chadanth 12-23-2013, 10:46 AM SEATTLE (AP) — A Seattle-area Muslim man who said his former employer fired him because of the beard he wears for religious reason has been awarded more than $66,000, although most of that will go to attorney fees.
Abdulkadir Omar said he doesn't care about the money.
"It's not even about the money," he said. "It's about standing up for something you believe in."
In 2011, Omar filed his federal lawsuit in Seattle against Sacramento, Calif.-based American Patriot Security, seeking back pay and unspecified damages for emotional pain and loss of enjoyment of life, among other reasons.
According to the lawsuit, Omar was hired by a local manager of the security company in May 2009 and earned $9 an hour guarding a FedEx warehouse in Kent, Wash. He said he started the same day he was hired, and was not told about the clean-shaven policy.
In November 2009, a supervisor from headquarters told him he had to shave his beard because of the policy. Omar refused, saying his beard is part of his religious beliefs. He was suspended, and fired the following spring, the lawsuit said.
An email inquiry to the security company on Wednesday was not immediately returned.
"I truly hope that my case shows millions of American Muslims when they stand up whether it's at work or school, that they will win," Omar said. "I stood up and I won. I want my case to serve as an example."
Born in Yemen, Omar said he immigrated to the United States when he was 10.
"I grew up in this country, I've been living here all of my life. Just like everybody else, I'm an American," he said.
The default judgment says that more than $50,000 of the $66,000 award is for attorney fees, while most of the rest goes to Omar, who said he was unemployed for nine months after being dismissed by American Patriot.
Omar sued the security firm with the help of the Washington chapter of the Council for American-Islamic Relations.
"Religious freedom is the law of the land," said Arsalan Bukhari, executive director of the Washington state CAIR office. "I think religious freedom is what makes American unique and we have very clear laws that states employers, schools must accommodate religious observances."
The article don't make mention of any contract between the company and the plaintiff. I wonder what arrangement they had.
Chadanth 12-23-2013, 10:46 AM Genesis 19:1-13
1The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2"My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning." "No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square." 3But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house. 5They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." 6Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof." 9"Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. 10But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door. 12The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here--sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it." (NIV)
Jesus wrote genesis?
Leviticus 19 “‘Keep my decrees.
“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.
“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
My poly/cotton blend multicam shirt would have me on death row....
Jersey Boss 12-23-2013, 10:47 AM Genesis 19:1-13
1The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2"My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning." "No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square." 3But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house. 5They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." 6Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof." 9"Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. 10But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door. 12The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here--sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it." (NIV)
New testament references only please. You can't pick and choose what Jewish Law you want to follow today.
Just the facts 12-23-2013, 10:47 AM None of this matters now anyhow as word from inside A&E says they are just waiting until the Holidays get by so everyone forgets about it and they can quietly drop their Phil-ban, which they are now calling a suspension and not a firing.
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