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BG918 01-16-2022, 10:28 PM Austin will be rising to new heights as alot of these projects come to life. It's astonishing that Austin will be the level of Minneapolis later on this year once 6 X Guadalupe tops out in terms of overall height and buildings.
Y’all have enough towers share some with us up here in Oklahoma 🙂
JoninATX 01-18-2022, 01:27 AM Speaking of GigaTexas, looks like production has finally begun!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJVog6nXEAACjIt?format=jpg&name=medium
https://twitter.com/peterdog15/status/1483206573291937793?t=DrK9QRUrH4UqU2egnHhI-g&s=19
No inspection tags or plates on the new Model Y's.
JoninATX 01-29-2022, 05:33 PM The other day I got to go up to the 52 floor of The Austonian for a contracting job.
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Plutonic Panda 02-13-2022, 10:37 PM Holy sh!t, Tesla isn’t even finished with its massive Giga factory and they’re already planning an expansion:
https://austin.culturemap.com/news/innovation/02-09-22-tesla-plans-massive-facility-next-to-new-austin-factory/?fbclid=IwAR2lhiTNRGQX0YmtBjusNhGvK3iGtpHvJw5NdmOS FRZJkFomhXdP6APmvkQ
JoninATX 04-24-2022, 06:30 PM Holy sh!t, Tesla isn’t even finished with its massive Giga factory and they’re already planning an expansion:
https://austin.culturemap.com/news/innovation/02-09-22-tesla-plans-massive-facility-next-to-new-austin-factory/?fbclid=IwAR2lhiTNRGQX0YmtBjusNhGvK3iGtpHvJw5NdmOS FRZJkFomhXdP6APmvkQ
Tesla just recently broke ground on it's new battery Cathode. As well other Texas cities such as San Antonio and Kyle, Texas are in talks with The Boring Company to build tunnels. Also CyberRodeo was incredible!
https://youtu.be/fiwUE_2JhvY
HangryHippo 04-24-2022, 06:48 PM Yeah those boring tunnels seem like a fraud.
JoninATX 04-24-2022, 06:51 PM Recent video showing what's to come for the future of Rainey Street Austin
https://youtu.be/zN-dKj19QJs
Plutonic Panda 04-24-2022, 06:57 PM Yeah those boring tunnels seem like a fraud.
I’m really trying to understand the concept behind that. At first I thought it was an initiative to try and develop new technologies and engineering methods to make tunneling cheaper and quicker. But I’m not seeing anything about that just certain tunnels that are approved, then dug with almost 0 transparency or progress reports, and then like the one in Vegas they open and then show the single lane tunnels and only Teslas using them.
Ironically there’s also traffic jams at the portals which kind of defeats the purpose. I think Elon figures he can take on more projects than he really can. Then again I guess he still can find the time to testify for Amber Heard when he’s not having an affair with her so I don’t know what the deal is.
But I really would like to know what the purpose of the boring company is because more and more it just seems like it’s some PR scam for Tesla.
JoninATX 04-24-2022, 07:10 PM Yeah those boring tunnels seem like a fraud.
Well the one in Kyle is proposing a walkable tunnel under a super busy highway. So I can see that becoming more of a reality than what they did in Las Vegas. What I've learned from living in Texas is that city and state officials do not plan for future growth. You got Austin which is now the 10th largest city in the U.S and 2.4 million in the metro and most of which drives vehicles. The city is nearly buckling under it's infrastructure. I'm hoping for a solution soon to our transportation woes.
shartel_ave 04-25-2022, 11:17 AM Well the one in Kyle is proposing a walkable tunnel under a super busy highway. So I can see that becoming more of a reality than what they did in Las Vegas. What I've learned from living in Texas is that city and state officials do not plan for future growth. You got Austin which is now the 10th largest city in the U.S and 2.4 million in the metro and most of which drives vehicles. The city is nearly buckling under it's infrastructure. I'm hoping for a solution soon to our transportation woes.
11th most populated city after San Jose but ATX will surpass San Jose in the next census...maybe?
JoninATX 04-25-2022, 04:22 PM 11th most populated city after San Jose but ATX will surpass San Jose in the next census...maybe?
Wouldn't doubt if Austin has already surpassed San Jose. The rate Austin growing with Tesla, Oracle, and possibly Twitter, Austin could be bracing for Texas size growth like you see in Houston or DFW. Currently the Austin metro area adds approximately 70,000 new residents per year, that could increase to 100,000 per year.
shartel_ave 04-26-2022, 08:04 AM that seems very high, from 2010 until 2020 Austin gained 171,465 people in the span of a decade. 2021 Austin averaged 116 a day for the metro which is 42,340 for the year.
Still very impressive and Austin will eventually surpass San Jose making Texas the only state with 4 cities in the top 10 most populated cities.
I'm talking about city proper not metro and as of now Austin's metro is larger than San Jose's metro
BoulderSooner 04-26-2022, 08:43 AM Yeah those boring tunnels seem like a fraud.
that company is valued at 6.7 billions dollars
HangryHippo 04-26-2022, 09:33 AM that company is valued at 6.7 billions dollars
And? It’s overvalued, just like his newest company.
JoninATX 04-27-2022, 09:37 PM Austin-area rancher to Elon Musk: I'll give you 100 acres for free to build a new Twitter HQ
https://youtu.be/i22ZfBmc2qw
I want to point out that this land straddles both Austin and the Temple - Killeen area. If Elon does purchase, it will be a boom to both metros.
JoninATX 04-27-2022, 09:38 PM that seems very high, from 2010 until 2020 Austin gained 171,465 people in the span of a decade. 2021 Austin averaged 116 a day for the metro which is 42,340 for the year.
Still very impressive and Austin will eventually surpass San Jose making Texas the only state with 4 cities in the top 10 most populated cities.
I'm talking about city proper not metro and as of now Austin's metro is larger than San Jose's metro
Its impressive growth to say the least.
shartel_ave 04-28-2022, 09:55 AM I almost moved to Austin in 2011 and at the last second I chose OKC. I thought why move to a city that is already trendy and known around the world so I picked a city with the, when asked "why in the hell would you move there" vibe, never have I once regretted it.
JoninATX 04-30-2022, 01:30 PM I almost moved to Austin in 2011 and at the last second I chose OKC. I thought why move to a city that is already trendy and known around the world so I picked a city with the, when asked "why in the hell would you move there" vibe, never have I once regretted it.
OKC is an definitely up and coming. I've been there several times and not once did I have a bad experience. Back in 2013 I took my gf to Myriad Botanical Gardens and showed her downtown and she fell in love. I do regret not making that move at the time but I still plan on making my way up there soon.
JoninATX 04-30-2022, 04:08 PM The Republic Tower will be an Austin icon
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JAMES RAMBIN APRIL 20, 2022
Today, national developers Lincoln Property Company and the Dallas-based Phoenix Property Company announced a partnership with California investment firm DivcoWest to develop The Republic, a 48-floor, 833,000-square-foot office tower bound for a full block at 401 West Fourth Street, located directly south of the signature downtown park at Republic Square providing the building’s namesake.
The partners also announced the tower has secured its first major tenant, though the company in question remains undisclosed — and that the project is set to break ground later this quarter, possibly as early as the next few weeks, with all permits now approved. Early site prep is already visibly underway at the former parking lot, with the current target for the building’s completion around the end of Q4 2024 or Q1 2025. “We’re clearly betting big on Austin office space,” says Seth Johnston, a senior vice president at Lincoln Property Company.
https://austin.towers.net/the-republic-tower-is-here/?pro=caitlyn@towers.net
SEMIweather 05-01-2022, 03:31 PM I almost moved to Austin in 2011 and at the last second I chose OKC. I thought why move to a city that is already trendy and known around the world so I picked a city with the, when asked "why in the hell would you move there" vibe, never have I once regretted it.
This is very similar to how I ended up in OKC after growing up in Michigan, and why I've come back after trying Denver a couple of times. There's something to be said for living in a place that doesn't have you feeling like a walking Millennial cliché on a day-to-day basis. Doubt that I'll stay here forever as I feel I'm probably just too flighty to ever feel comfortable settling down in a particular place, but out of the three states I've lived in, this is the one that has always felt like home to me.
OKC Guy 05-16-2022, 09:10 PM I saw these charts and wow! At what point is it too high to sustain? Austin is growing but workers have to be paid higher and higher to move for open jobs. Companies will have to chip in lots of incentives to entice workers.
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JoninATX 05-21-2022, 09:58 AM I saw these charts and wow! At what point is it too high to sustain? Austin is growing but workers have to be paid higher and higher to move for open jobs. Companies will have to chip in lots of incentives to entice workers.
It's only going to get worse. Austin is offering billions of dollars in incentives for top named companies to move here.
JoninATX 05-21-2022, 10:03 AM With NXP Semiconductors NV considering Austin for a major expansion, Central Texas is a potential landing spot for at least three large, high-technology manufacturing projects.
Infineon Technologies AG, Applied Materials Inc, & NXP Semiconductors NV.
https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2022/05/18/chapter-313-incentives-explained.html
This doesn't include the massive chip facility that Samsung would be building in Taylor (Austin area) this summer.
JoninATX 05-21-2022, 10:15 AM The U.S. census estimates it missed more than a half-million Texans during 2020 count
Tripped up by politics and the pandemic — and with only a last-minute investment in promotion by the state — the 2020 census likely undercounted the Texas population by roughly 2%, the U.S. Census Bureau said Thursday.
The once-a-decade national count put Texas’ official population at 29,145,505 after it gained the most residents of any state in the last decade, earning two additional congressional seats. In a post-count analysis using survey results from households, the bureau estimated that the count for people living in Texas households — a slightly smaller population than the total population — failed to find more than half a million residents. That’s the equivalent of missing the entire populations of Lubbock, Laredo and then some.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/19/census-2020-texas-undercount/
Not necessarily about Austin, but Texas in general which showing a massive population under count 2 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Oklahoma was undercounted as well.
JoninATX 05-23-2022, 06:34 PM In reality Texas is currently home to some 31 million residents.
JoninATX 06-05-2022, 06:00 PM The soon too be tallest tower in Texas is kicking into high gear with an official groundbreaking ceremony.
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A tent is being set up behind the construction trailers in the parking lot.
JoninATX 06-05-2022, 07:56 PM Site prep at The Republic
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By Agsatx88
JoninATX 06-05-2022, 07:59 PM Samsung to start construction of Texas chip plant this month
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May 27th 2022
Construction of a new Samsung Electronics chip plant in Taylor, Texas will begin next month, according to the city government and the Korean chipmaker, marking the start of the $17-billion project.
The Taylor city government gave an update on the construction of the plant, which will cover 138 acres on a 1,000-acre plot of land in the city, in a recent newsletter.
“Underground utilities and building foundations are expected to start in June,” it said.
The government noted that site grading is almost complete and interior roads and parking lot paving is now underway.
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2022/05/27/business/tech/Korea-Samsung-Electronics-Texas/20220527173237482.html
Plutonic Panda 06-05-2022, 08:27 PM Now come on Dallas and Houston, start a new skyscraper height race in Texas. Bonus points if SA gets involved too. ;)
JoninATX 06-05-2022, 08:31 PM Now come on Dallas and Houston, start a new skyscraper height race in Texas. Bonus points if SA gets involved too. ;)
Right! Lol. I would say Austin is the rising star of Texas followed by Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth then El Paso.
G.Walker 06-07-2022, 08:46 AM High rise & skyscraper development in Austin has being going on consistently for 15 years. Unprecedented. So Jealous, lol.
Seems like a new high rise is announced every month...lol.
Bowser214 06-07-2022, 05:29 PM Dallas then Houston....lol
JoninATX 06-10-2022, 12:45 PM https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU1hZahXwBkNloc?format=jpg&name=large
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JoninATX 06-10-2022, 12:52 PM Austin Manhattanizing
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321 West
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JoninATX 06-10-2022, 12:58 PM 6 X Guadalupe update has now surpassed the 700ft mark. With 146ft to go.
https://youtu.be/Q8Q25GBVwYk
JoninATX 06-10-2022, 01:05 PM Citizen M Hotel
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By Urbanizer
I went to Europe in May and it was very interesting when people asked where my group was from. In every country we visited, the local people would instantly assume we were from Austin when hearing we were from Texas. Not Dallas; not Houston. Austin. Of course, when one of us replied “Amarillo”, the blank stares would come. :D
JoninATX 06-23-2022, 04:26 PM I went to Europe in May and it was very interesting when people asked where my group was from. In every country we visited, the local people would instantly assume we were from Austin when hearing we were from Texas. Not Dallas; not Houston. Austin. Of course, when one of us replied “Amarillo”, the blank stares would come. :D
Nice! Yea, pretty much everyone recognizes Austin now.
JoninATX 06-23-2022, 05:16 PM Texas new tallest update is officially U/C!
https://i.imgur.com/aADVllf_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
https://twitter.com/TheATX1/status/1539746435788423176
JoninATX 07-01-2022, 07:24 PM From the 360 overlook today
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By me
shartel_ave 07-01-2022, 08:29 PM Austin will be the 10th most populated city in the US within a couple years making Texas the only state with four cities in the top 10 most populated and eventually Fort Worth will enter the top 10 as it’s the fastest growing large city in the US
JoninATX 07-02-2022, 10:31 AM Austin will be the 10th most populated city in the US within a couple years making Texas the only state with four cities in the top 10 most populated and eventually Fort Worth will enter the top 10 as it’s the fastest growing large city in the US
The growth of this city is insane.
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JoninATX 07-02-2022, 10:48 AM Picture I took the other day showing the progress of the new Texas tallest. Lots of activity going on. What I couldn't show u is behind the tree line is where they have dugged down a good 20ft or so for the support columns to be put in place.
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JoninATX 07-03-2022, 05:51 PM Happy Independence Day!
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JoninATX 07-09-2022, 03:43 PM Aerial view: Samsung starts work on 1,200-acre site in Taylor
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By Justin Sayers
Staff Writer, Austin Business Journal
Jul 5, 2022
Construction work is underway on one of the Austin area's largest projects: Samsung Electronic Co. Ltd.'s $17 billion next-generation chipmaking facility in Taylor.
Drone photos taken by the Austin Business Journal in late June show initial site work being done at the roughly 1,200-acre site for the project in Taylor, about 40 miles northeast of Austin. The facility is rising near the former intersection of County Roads 401 and 404 and is expected to be 6 million square feet when completed.
https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2022/07/07/austin-companies-relocating-expanding-jobs-economy.html
shartel_ave 07-09-2022, 05:06 PM IMO, Austin has long surpassed Nashville even though Austin has no NFL team but why would it? Dallas and Houston have teams, hell San Antonio has a pro team as well but Austin has a pro soccer team with an insane loyal fan base.
IMO m, Austin will eventually surpass Dallas and the only reason it hasn’t is because of the DFW mega metro.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that Austin is quickly on its way to becoming a global city
JoninATX 07-09-2022, 06:53 PM IMO, Austin has long surpassed Nashville even though Austin has no NFL team but why would it? Dallas and Houston have teams, hell San Antonio has a pro team as well but Austin has a pro soccer team with an insane loyal fan base.
IMO m, Austin will eventually surpass Dallas and the only reason it hasn’t is because of the DFW mega metro.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that Austin is quickly on its way to becoming a global city
When I think about it, Austin does have a loyal fan base. We have The University of Texas (College), Austin FC (Pro) & Austin Spurs (Minor League Basketball). On top of that Austin has a bunch of races throughout the year, from Formula 1 to Nascar to Gran Turismo.
JoninATX 07-09-2022, 07:13 PM East Riverside Gateway
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JoninATX 07-10-2022, 01:12 PM https://youtu.be/R3D0-wrikiE
JoninATX 08-11-2022, 06:33 PM https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=192 0,fit=scale-down/https://www.skyscrapercity.com/attachments/1660258338738-png.3648916/
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Thanks in part of Austin forumers on SSP.
JoninATX 08-11-2022, 07:57 PM This video is hilarious! But an actual description of what Austin has become.
https://youtu.be/AF58CpDSdbI
Anonymous. 08-16-2022, 07:40 AM That last skyline photo is incredible. Truly a boomtown.
Laramie 08-16-2022, 11:33 AM That last skyline photo is incredible. Truly a boomtown.
Skyline rivals Los Angeles...
Plutonic Panda 08-16-2022, 01:53 PM Skyline rivals Los Angeles...
Austin has an absolute beautiful skyline but I’m not sure it rivals LA. If it keeps growing it will but based off of that picture it has a dozen or so 50+ story buildings to go.
Laramie 08-19-2022, 09:28 AM Austin = Oklahoma City & Tulsa
AUSTIN Population = 2,352,426 = OKC-TUL Population = 2,465,635 (OKC 1,441,647. Tulsa 1,023,988)
Austin skyline
https://www.muskincommercial.com/sites/default/files/blog/featured/austin-skyline-changes.jpg
Four tallest structures: The Independent 690, The Austonian 683, Fairmont Austin 595, Block 185 594
Oklahoma City & Tulsa Skyline
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/oklahoma-city-skyline-dusk-downtown-oklahoma-city-skyline-dusk-thunderstorms-distant-background-reflections-204009495.jpg
Four tallest structures: Devon Energy Center 844, BancFirst Tower 500, First National Center 493, City Place Tower 440
https://learn.roofstock.com/hubfs/iStock-1190846915.jpg
Four tallest structures: BOK Tower 667, Cityplex Central Tower 648, First Place Tower 516, Mid-Continent Tower 513
Couldn't assess the GDP figures because they didn't make sense... ...realize there are more to cities than population & skylines.
JoninATX 08-29-2022, 07:25 PM A list of everything U/C and that has been completed.
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JoninATX 08-29-2022, 07:32 PM A few skyline snapshots from the hills
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By Mopacs
JoninATX 08-29-2022, 07:35 PM 6 x Guadalupe is now trailing Devon Tower by a mere 25 ft. Crazy to think that before an 800 footer was a dream in both Austin and OKC. Now we are shooting for the stars.
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By Enragedcamel
JoninATX 09-18-2022, 10:15 PM 4 Supertalls are in the works with 1 U/C. This will be the decade of the supertalls for Austin. Let's hope some of that momentum rubs off on other cities like Dallas and OKC.
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