If some of the rumors are true this (on the link) looks something like what we might end up with....?
Except OU would have more suits.
For several reasons I'm still a little skeptical about something being built on this scale anytime soon

imgur: the simple image sharer (http://imgur.com/qZq5neb)

I, frankly, would be stunned if they truly undertook to destroy the entire current west deck just to match the east side. It would be staggeringly expensive to say nothing of how much time it would take merely to clear the site before they could start reconstructing it, combined with the fact there would be no way they would have anything ready in time for the next football season this fall even if they let contracts out for it today.

A press/suite facility along the west side plus a bowled-in south endzone surely seem to me to be the most likely results of this. To be sure, $300M is a lot of money, but thinking the scope of a multi-story press/suite facility + demo of the existing press box, and a bowled in S Endzone...suddenly $300M doesn't seem like quite so much.

I'm not particularly an advocate of tossing a bunch of money to build so-so seats, and while I appreciate the aesthetic notion of bowling in the endzone, it's surely never held the practical appeal to me it does for others.

Be interesting/exciting to see what they have opted to do.

Looks like OKVision4U got tired of making off the wall comments about he mayoral election and has moved on to doing the same for Memorial Stadium.

Well, it looks like I am the one that is far more tied into this great universities future. PhiAlpha, OU48A, warreng88, Venture you will see that all my comments regarding Memorial Stadium have been 100% in line w/ the $300 M expansion. Hmmm? why is that?

Kyle Field (Texas A&M)'s renovation is $450 million by comparison. It looks like they are rebuilding the upper decks on their press box side.

FAQ | Redevelopment of Kyle Field (http://kylefield.com/faq)

I, frankly, would be stunned if they truly undertook to destroy the entire current west deck just to match the east side. It would be staggeringly expensive to say nothing of how much time it would take merely to clear the site before they could start reconstructing it, combined with the fact there would be no way they would have anything ready in time for the next football season this fall even if they let contracts out for it today.

A press/suite facility along the west side plus a bowled-in south endzone surely seem to me to be the most likely results of this. To be sure, $300M is a lot of money, but thinking the scope of a multi-story press/suite facility + demo of the existing press box, and a bowled in S Endzone...suddenly $300M doesn't seem like quite so much.

I'm not particularly an advocate of tossing a bunch of money to build so-so seats, and while I appreciate the aesthetic notion of bowling in the endzone, it's surely never held the practical appeal to me it does for others.

Be interesting/exciting to see what they have opted to do.
While I agree with almost everything you said I don't think it would be necessary to totally destroy the west upper deck to rebuild it..... One of the most time consuming parts of stadium construction is the building of the support structure.... I believe most of this could be saved and then modified to meet the needs of a newly constructed west upper deck that would be built using large amounts of pre-cast concrete.

The entire west upper deck including the current press box was built between the 1974 and 1975 seasons. They literally started on the current west upper deck just as soon as the last of the crowd cleared out after the last home game in 1974. Some work could be done during the season.

My concern is where would 300 million come from.... who would donate that much money?
None of OU's boosters have ever seemed willing to donate that much money for sports.
…...and do we really have a ticket demand for an expansion of that size?

Well, it looks like I am the one that is far more tied into this great universities future. PhiAlpha, OU48A, warreng88, Venture you will see that all my comments regarding Memorial Stadium have been 100% in line w/ the $300 M expansion. Hmmm? why is that?

I never said it wasn't necessary or that I wouldn't like it, I just said it doesn't affect recruits as much as you might think.

I never said it wasn't necessary or that I wouldn't like it, I just said it doesn't affect recruits as much as you might think.

warreng, I will explain it this way, There has not been a single expansion project completed ( or in the future ) that is directed to increasing the Cheerleaders, The Band Members, The Ruf Neks.... All project expansions are for the existing needs & future needs ( ... ie, Recruits ) for the football program. It is the reality of the OU Monster Bud started.

warreng, I will explain it this way, There has not been a single expansion project completed ( or in the future ) that is directed to increasing the Cheerleaders, The Band Members, The Ruf Neks.... All project expansions are for the existing needs & future needs ( ... ie, Recruits ) for the football program. It is the reality of the OU Monster Bud started.

Um, no. It is done since there is an increase in demand so much so that the supply needs to go up. I am not sure what the waiting list is anymore to get season tickets, but it was around 10,000 or more about five years ago. I think a major overhaul of a small, almost high school stadium like OSU's ten years ago into what it is now, would make a bigger impact on recruits than updating their weight room, sure. But redoing the press box and bowling in the south side of OU's Memorial stadium doesn't do as much for recruits as beating Alabama in one of the biggest upsets of the year. Just ask five star all purpose RB Joe Mixon, “Once they won the Alabama game that shut the deal,” Mixon said. “Now I’m a Sooner.“

...and the loss to Baylor? ...helped their recruiting, yes. But we won't win all our games all the time. So at OU, me must continue to increase our presense in every other area ( Stadium, etc ), it is required.

...and the loss to Baylor? ...helped their recruiting, yes. But we won't win all our games all the time. So at OU, me must continue to increase our presense in every other area ( Stadium, etc ), it is required.

I am not disagreeing with you, I just think you think it has more of an impact on recruiting that you think it does. If what you are saying is true, then Michigan, Penn State, Tennessee, Ohio State and Alabame would get all the top recruits, all the time. Alabama is arguably the best college football team right now and it has nothing to do with their stadium. It has to do with coaching, winning championships and putting players in the NFL. THAT is what gets recruits to come to a stadium. Look at Oregon, Autzen Stadium. Their capacity in 2001 was 41,698 and was increased to 54,000 in 2002 but they bring in a ton of top recruits due to playing really well, having cool uniforms and the stadium being a great place to play.

Um, no. It is done since there is an increase in demand so much so that the supply needs to go up. I am not sure what the waiting list is anymore to get season tickets, but it was around 10,000 or more about five years ago. I think a major overhaul of a small, almost high school stadium like OSU's ten years ago into what it is now, would make a bigger impact on recruits than updating their weight room, sure. But redoing the press box and bowling in the south side of OU's Memorial stadium doesn't do as much for recruits as beating Alabama in one of the biggest upsets of the year. Just ask five star all purpose RB Joe Mixon, “Once they won the Alabama game that shut the deal,” Mixon said. “Now I’m a Sooner.“

The OU season ticket waiting list has grown into a phenomenon of almost urban legend proportions, and has long been used to justify expansion to OMS - problem is the numbers aren't nearly as astounding as they seem.

First, many of the names on the list are overlapping members of individual families just trying to, as it were, "stuff the ballot box." If one finally hits the list, the others don't bother buying.

Second, many of the folks on that list have been around forever, and when their number does come up, they can't buy them due to fill-in-the-blank changes to their personal situation, divorces, marriages, deaths, financial reversals, kids, or just plain don't want them anymore, whatever.

Third, and this is the hardest pill for some to swallow, is that there's no surging demand for OU home season football tickets. The football office last year sent out a mass email soliciting season ticket sales from current holders that did not renew, or presumably folks on the existing list that declined them. They wouldn't go to that hassle for a few dozen tickets.

Given the increased competition for discretionary/entertainment dollars in Oklahoma, particularly central Oklahoma, OU home season ticket sales aren't a slam dunk - and haven't been for years when you see the river of third-party tickets for sale around the stadium on most home dates. And I have no doubt that some generous corporate donors have bought up rather conspicuous blocks of unsold tickets to preserve OU's current home game sellout streak - some in the visitor section, some not.

Lastly, people who really want season tickets are all-but guaranteed to get them if they make a donation to the Sooner Club. I won't swear to this, but I believe a $100/seat donation last year got you in - and if you're already predisposed/able through your own resources or budget or whatever to drop several hundred dollars on a pair of OU season tickets, a couple hundred more probably isn't that big a hurdle to overcome if you really want them that badly.

Joe C has always maintained he wanted the "just right" balance between supply and demand for OU football tickets, and I think a gross expansion of supply right now just wouldn't be smart. As a result, I think the bulk of the monies being tossed around here are going to a pressbox/suite expansion rather than some monumental seating increase. If they can fit in bowling the south corners in the budget, great, but if they don't expand to 100K, it won't be a shock, nor will it be some heartbreaking failure to OU's recruiting future. OU's win over Bama was worth five stadium expansions.

I am not disagreeing with you, I just think you think it has more of an impact on recruiting that you think it does. If what you are saying is true, then Michigan, Penn State, Tennessee, Ohio State and Alabame would get all the top recruits, all the time. Alabama is arguably the best college football team right now and it has nothing to do with their stadium. It has to do with coaching, winning championships and putting players in the NFL. THAT is what gets recruits to come to a stadium. Look at Oregon, Autzen Stadium. Their capacity in 2001 was 41,698 and was increased to 54,000 in 2002 but they bring in a ton of top recruits due to playing really well, having cool uniforms and the stadium being a great place to play.

They do get the pick-of-the-litter when it comes to top recruits..and they have massive stadiums.

I"m going to speak to the Univ. of Oklahoma... We have a formula to winning. All these factors play a major role into a young man's decision to play ball at OU and we can't fall behind on any of the criteria needed to produce championships.

One of the cheapest and most neeeed items is a new or expanded weight room.
It's something most recruits pay very close attention to and OU could proceed with it fairly soon.

The OU season ticket waiting list has grown into a phenomenon of almost urban legend proportions, and has long been used to justify expansion to OMS - problem is the numbers aren't nearly as astounding as they seem.

First, many of the names on the list are overlapping members of individual families just trying to, as it were, "stuff the ballot box." If one finally hits the list, the others don't bother buying.

Second, many of the folks on that list have been around forever, and when their number does come up, they can't buy them due to fill-in-the-blank changes to their personal situation, divorces, marriages, deaths, financial reversals, kids, or just plain don't want them anymore, whatever.

Third, and this is the hardest pill for some to swallow, is that there's no surging demand for OU home season football tickets. The football office last year sent out a mass email soliciting season ticket sales from current holders that did not renew, or presumably folks on the existing list that declined them. They wouldn't go to that hassle for a few dozen tickets.

Given the increased competition for discretionary/entertainment dollars in Oklahoma, particularly central Oklahoma, OU home season ticket sales aren't a slam dunk - and haven't been for years when you see the river of third-party tickets for sale around the stadium on most home dates. And I have no doubt that some generous corporate donors have bought up rather conspicuous blocks of unsold tickets to preserve OU's current home game sellout streak - some in the visitor section, some not.

Lastly, people who really want season tickets are all-but guaranteed to get them if they make a donation to the Sooner Club. I won't swear to this, but I believe a $100/seat donation last year got you in - and if you're already predisposed/able through your own resources or budget or whatever to drop several hundred dollars on a pair of OU season tickets, a couple hundred more probably isn't that big a hurdle to overcome if you really want them that badly.

Joe C has always maintained he wanted the "just right" balance between supply and demand for OU football tickets, and I think a gross expansion of supply right now just wouldn't be smart. As a result, I think the bulk of the monies being tossed around here are going to a pressbox/suite expansion rather than some monumental seating increase. If they can fit in bowling the south corners in the budget, great, but if they don't expand to 100K, it won't be a shock, nor will it be some heartbreaking failure to OU's recruiting future. OU's win over Bama was worth five stadium expansions.

Dave, don't forget about the Baylor loss... how much does that count? Yes, the win over Bama was the B-12 shot this season needed ( and start of next year too ).

The balance Joe C / Boren must maintain is "Relevance". Each year we must be in that category of relevance to all those involved in the program, the fans, the media ( national ), and the players. As we add more "facilities" it keeps it fresh & current. This is the requirement of a TOP 5 Program. It gives Bob more to close with in the living rooms of the recruits.

They do get the pick-of-the-litter when it comes to top recruits..and they have massive stadiums.

I"m going to speak to the Univ. of Oklahoma... We have a formula to winning. All these factors play a major role into a young man's decision to play ball at OU and we can't fall behind on any of the criteria needed to produce championships.

Then why did Rich Rodriguez fail? Why did Lloyd Carr get to "retire"? How did Appalachian State ever win at Ann Arbor? They surely should have seen the big stadium, genuflected, and died out of pure respect.

]Dave, don't forget about the Baylor loss... how much does that count? [/B] Yes, the win over Bama was the B-12 shot this season needed ( and start of next year too ).

Didn't seem to be a player at all to Mixon.

And, after beating the previous two-time national champion on national television in a BCS bowl by two touchdowns, that Baylor loss is barely a flickering memory.


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The balance Joe C / Boren must maintain is "Relevance". Each year we must be in that category of relevance to all those involved in the program, the fans, the media ( national ), and the players. As we add more "facilities" it keeps it fresh & current. This is the requirement of a TOP 5 Program. It gives Bob more to close with in the living rooms of the recruits.

And you do more to remain relevant by winning then installing benches. If it were the other way around, Tennessee would have been the de-facto national titlists years ago and Phil Fullmer would still be employed. Besides, having a "stadium master plan" doesn't mean nearly as much for "closing" if the last thing on that kid's head had been a double-digit loss to Bama.

What you don't seem to get, OKVision, is that in general most of us here agree with you that we need to keep facilities updated and fresh. No argument there. But this notion you seem to put up there that we have to perpetually construct some sort of half-billion-dollar Taj Mahal upgrade every three years or we'll fall off the map just doesn't pass the sniff test. And it doesn't pass the reality test, either, as many other programs listed here would attest.

Not really interested in further perpetuating this discussion, in all honesty. I'd just like to see the actual master plan and what's coming. I have no doubt Joe C has his pulse on what's needed and how to get it done. I think, whatever it is, he'll do a grand job of getting it implemented, and it will be right-sized for the Sooners.

Then why did Rich Rodriguez fail? Why did Lloyd Carr get to "retire"? How did Appalachian State ever win at Ann Arbor? They surely should have seen the big stadium, genuflected, and died out of pure respect.

1. They watched "Facing the Giants" for their Friday Night at the Movies.
2. They played inspired ball.
3. On any given day, any team can win.
4. The big boys overlooked ApState by practicing for the next "significant" apponent?
5. Parity in sports.

At OU it is simple, to maintain any advantage for our tradition, NC's, Sooner Magic, we have to keep that momentum going through Expansions, Keeping Bob S as our HC, ....all the above.

1. They watched "Facing the Giants" for their Friday Night at the Movies.
2. They played inspired ball.
3. On any given day, any team can win.
4. The big boys overlooked ApState by practicing for the next "significant" apponent?
5. Parity in sports.


And you finally proved my point. Top five reasons for underdogs to win? Not one has anything to do with having a 100,000 seat stadium.

Whew. Glad that's finally done.

Didn't seem to be a player at all to Mixon.

And, after beating the previous two-time national champion on national television in a BCS bowl by two touchdowns, that Baylor loss is barely a flickering memory.



And you do more to remain relevant by winning then installing benches. If it were the other way around, Tennessee would have been the de-facto national titlists years ago and Phil Fullmer would still be employed. Besides, having a "stadium master plan" doesn't mean nearly as much for "closing" if the last thing on that kid's head had been a double-digit loss to Bama.

What you don't seem to get, OKVision, is that in general most of us here agree with you that we need to keep facilities updated and fresh. No argument there. But this notion you seem to put up there that we have to perpetually construct some sort of half-billion-dollar Taj Mahal upgrade every three years or we'll fall off the map just doesn't pass the sniff test. And it doesn't pass the reality test, either, as many other programs listed here would attest.Not really interested in further perpetuating this discussion, in all honesty. I'd just like to see the actual master plan and what's coming. I have no doubt Joe C has his pulse on what's needed and how to get it done. I think, whatever it is, he'll do a grand job of getting it implemented, and it will be right-sized for the Sooners.

Dave, you can blow my statement way out of proportion, ...never said every 3 years, never said .5 B. I have been 100% accurate on exactly what is intended for this expansion. Now you can disagree w/ the "why" we are doing it, sure.

What I'm talking about is making Bob's job easier, not more difficult. Thus, a stadium expansion that is significant is required. If you don't like the numbers of 100K fans, then so be it.

Relevance & Fresh.

One of the cheapest and most neeeed items is a new or expanded weight room.
It's something most recruits pay very close attention to and OU could proceed with it fairly soon.

Agreed. That seems to be the trend over the last couple of years with top college football teams like Bama, Oregon, Nebraska and Florida spending obscene amounts of money upgrading their weight room and personalizing them. Here is a cool article with pictures to match:

Arms Race: Photos of top weight rooms in college football | Saturday Down South (http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2013/top-weight-rooms-in-college-football/)

And you finally proved my point. Top five reasons for underdogs to win? Not one has anything to do with having a 100,000 seat stadium.

Whew. Glad that's finally done.

Dave , Warreng, let me ask you, if we "froze" all spending on OU Football for the next 50 years, what would be the outcome of our program then? ...we don't have to spend it. we could save it.

Dave you may not truly understand "how the OU advantage" is maintained. If you want the OU program to "be an underdog", then yes, they have a small % of winning each game.

But this is not who we are. Decades of winning is not cheap and will not be played in a pasture.

Dave , Warreng, let me ask you, if we "froze" all spending on OU Football for the next 50 years, what would be the outcome of our program then? ...we don't have to spend it. we could save it.

Dave you may not truly understand "how the OU advantage" is maintained. If you want the OU program to "be an underdog", then yes, they have a small % of winning each game.

But this is not who we are. Decades of winning is not cheap and will not be played in a pasture.

Show me where I said or anyone else said we don't want OU to spend any more money on the program...

Show me where I said or anyone else said we don't want OU to spend any more money on the program...

Ditto for me, Vision. You seem to be purposely ignoring and misrepresenting what is being said by folks in this thread, and I for one don't appreciate it.


Dave , Warreng, let me ask you, if we "froze" all spending on OU Football for the next 50 years, what would be the outcome of our program then? ...we don't have to spend it. we could save it.

Dave you may not truly understand "how the OU advantage" is maintained. If you want the OU program to "be an underdog", then yes, they have a small % of winning each game.

Let me tell you something, OK, I'll bet dollars to donuts I'm older than you. In my lifetime, I've seen OU win four of its seven national titles. I've seen three of its Heisman trophy winners. And I've seen us get blown out in Norman when we had Chef Boy Ar Dee for a coach.

With all due respect, don't you dare patronize or condescend to me (or anyone else on this board) about "my not understanding how the OU advantage is maintained". Not one more message of it, because I won't up with it anymore.

I've told you in numerous posts on this thread that I AGREE WITH YOU regarding the need to keep facilities updated and expanded. I have actual photographs of the 1974 STEP west deck expansion taken when I was nine years old, and when we built the new south endzone a few years later .Heck, I have pictures of the segments of the sections of what was then the brand new, red electronic scoreboard that replaced the 50's era green beast IN that old south endzone. It is GREAT and vital to expand, to update, to refresh -- and of course I realize and agree that all of those things take money. Once and for all, STOP trying to make it sound like those of us who don't agree with YOUR vision of expansion as being anti expenditure, or part of your "freeze spending for 50 years" asininity. IT ISN'T TRUE. No more!!!!

You have asserted that if we don't make these gargantuan leaps of capacity that we will inevitably fall behind in recruiting, and numerous posters here have demonstrated that your statement is factually and historically wrong. Wrong. Your posts here contain the implicit notion that winning is not possible without a huge stadium, and you have taken nearly anyone that even slightly disagrees with you to task for it. If you dare to suggest otherwise, you're being disingenuous at worst and insulting at best. And I've had enough of it. You refuse to acknowledge that there are now more than a handful of Baylor's out there that were perpetual nobodies, yet started winning in the midst of playing in crappy little stadiums, yet now are upgrading. Parity in the game is distributing the athletic wealth across traditional and non-traditional powers. Winning is the elixer. Money is the grease. Recruiting is the fuel. Facilities, program support and a favorable administration are the gears in the machine that keep everything else churning.

Yes, we must enhance and refine. And we must do so intelligently, not because we're running scared of someone else that we think "has a bigger one." Fortunately, that's why they pay Joe C the big bucks- to make precisely those kinds of decisions. I've said before, and I'll say again, I'm sure Joe C. has his hand on the right steps to make sure that the next wave of expenditures on Sooner football are intelligent and in the best interests of the program and the university.

Said it before, but I've relented - but I'm going to stick by it this time - I'm done here until I see something material about the actual plan being released. That will be great fun to review and anticipate when it happens and the plans all start to unfold.

Dave , Warreng, let me ask you, if we "froze" all spending on OU Football for the next 50 years, what would be the outcome of our program then? ...we don't have to spend it. we could save it.

Dave you may not truly understand "how the OU advantage" is maintained. If you want the OU program to "be an underdog", then yes, they have a small % of winning each game.

But this is not who we are. Decades of winning is not cheap and will not be played in a pasture.

All OU fans that I know of want major stadium, other football and basketball facility's improvements.

But most know the process must be financially managed in a big business like way.

Fortunately for OU we have one of the very top decision makers in the business. OU's revenue grew by over 17 million just last year under Joe C. leadership.. By comparison while operating in a similar state economy and while their program was at or near historic peaks, OSU's revenue declined by over $10 million dollars last year.

OU's revenue is now in 5th place at over $123 million and ahead of such schools as LSU, Tennessee Penn ST, Auburn ,TOSU and Michigan and their much larger stadiums.

Your way, of possible over expansion, could upset the balance that Joe C. has found and put at risk the OU's large athletic revenue increases.

With a track record like his I'm going to trust whatever Joe C wants.

Agreed. That seems to be the trend over the last couple of years with top college football teams like Bama, Oregon, Nebraska and Florida spending obscene amounts of money upgrading their weight room and personalizing them. Here is a cool article with pictures to match:

Arms Race: Photos of top weight rooms in college football | Saturday Down South (http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2013/top-weight-rooms-in-college-football/)Those are good pictures.... thanks for posting.

I have an idea about what might be a great location for a new OU weight room.... When they tear down the old dorm in the location that's just north of the BUD a new building with large windows overlooking the Heisman trophy statues would serve as a reminder to all athletes of the high expectation we have as they push them self's though the pain of getting better.

Ditto for me, Vision. You seem to be purposely ignoring and misrepresenting what is being said by folks in this thread, and I for one don't appreciate it.



Let me tell you something, OK, I'll bet dollars to donuts I'm older than you. In my lifetime, I've seen OU win four of its seven national titles. I've seen three of its Heisman trophy winners. And I've seen us get blown out in Norman when we had Chef Boy Ar Dee for a coach.

With all due respect, don't you dare patronize or condescend to me (or anyone else on this board) about "my not understanding how the OU advantage is maintained". Not one more message of it, because I won't up with it anymore.

I've told you in numerous posts on this thread that I AGREE WITH YOU regarding the need to keep facilities updated and expanded. I have actual photographs of the 1974 STEP west deck expansion taken when I was nine years old, and when we built the new south endzone a few years later .Heck, I have pictures of the segments of the sections of what was then the brand new, red electronic scoreboard that replaced the 50's era green beast IN that old south endzone. It is GREAT and vital to expand, to update, to refresh -- and of course I realize and agree that all of those things take money. Once and for all, STOP trying to make it sound like those of us who don't agree with YOUR vision of expansion as being anti expenditure, or part of your "freeze spending for 50 years" asininity. IT ISN'T TRUE. No more!!!!

You have asserted that if we don't make these gargantuan leaps of capacity that we will inevitably fall behind in recruiting, and numerous posters here have demonstrated that your statement is factually and historically wrong. Wrong. Your posts here contain the implicit notion that winning is not possible without a huge stadium, and you have taken nearly anyone that even slightly disagrees with you to task for it. If you dare to suggest otherwise, you're being disingenuous at worst and insulting at best. And I've had enough of it. You refuse to acknowledge that there are now more than a handful of Baylor's out there that were perpetual nobodies, yet started winning in the midst of playing in crappy little stadiums, yet now are upgrading. Parity in the game is distributing the athletic wealth across traditional and non-traditional powers. Winning is the elixer. Money is the grease. Recruiting is the fuel. Facilities, program support and a favorable administration are the gears in the machine that keep everything else churning.

Yes, we must enhance and refine. And we must do so intelligently, not because we're running scared of someone else that we think "has a bigger one." Fortunately, that's why they pay Joe C the big bucks- to make precisely those kinds of decisions. I've said before, and I'll say again, I'm sure Joe C. has his hand on the right steps to make sure that the next wave of expenditures on Sooner football are intelligent and in the best interests of the program and the university.

Said it before, but I've relented - but I'm going to stick by it this time - I'm done here until I see something material about the actual plan being released. That will be great fun to review and anticipate when it happens and the plans all start to unfold.

SoonerDave, thank you for watching & following the program for many years. That said, you still may not fully understand it. You were comparing ApState to OU. ....enough said.

We need our stadium to equal our tradiion. Like it or not, it is an arms race.

SoonerDave, thank you for watching & following the program for many years. That said, you still may not fully understand it. You were comparing ApState to OU. ....enough said.

We need our stadium to equal our tradiion. Like it or not, it is an arms race.

Yeah (in my best Lumbergh voice), he never compared OU to App State. That is you trying to discredit him. Here is the exact quote: "Then why did Rich Rodriguez fail? Why did Lloyd Carr get to "retire"? How did Appalachian State ever win at Ann Arbor? They surely should have seen the big stadium, genuflected, and died out of pure respect."

You are the worst kind of internet person. You try and try to make a point and person after person proves you wrong over and over and over again and instead of saying, "You're right, I'm wrong, let's move on" you keep on with your mind-numbing drivel, running yourself in circles and I have had enough. You were at least a little entertaining when you were talking about building a recockulous 40 story tower on Highway 9 and Chautauqua, then with your absurd notion that OKC could host the Olympics in the next 15 years, let alone our lifetime. You are back on ignore and I will not ever address you again. I really hope all others on here put you on ignore so you will finally see that no one is in contact with you or responding to your posts and you will eventually just give up and go away.

Yeah (in my best Lumbergh voice), he never compared OU to App State. That is you trying to discredit him. Here is the exact quote: "Then why did Rich Rodriguez fail? Why did Lloyd Carr get to "retire"? How did Appalachian State ever win at Ann Arbor? They surely should have seen the big stadium, genuflected, and died out of pure respect."

You are the worst kind of internet person. You try and try to make a point and person after person proves you wrong over and over and over again and instead of saying, "You're right, I'm wrong, let's move on" you keep on with your mind-numbing drivel, running yourself in circles and I have had enough. You were at least a little entertaining when you were talking about building a recockulous 40 story tower on Highway 9 and Chautauqua, then with your absurd notion that OKC could host the Olympics in the next 15 years, let alone our lifetime. You are back on ignore and I will not ever address you again. I really hope all others on here put you on ignore so you will finally see that no one is in contact with you or responding to your posts and you will eventually just give up and go away.

Ok, that really makes sense. Thanks.

Yeah (in my best Lumbergh voice), he never compared OU to App State. That is you trying to discredit him. Here is the exact quote: "Then why did Rich Rodriguez fail? Why did Lloyd Carr get to "retire"? How did Appalachian State ever win at Ann Arbor? They surely should have seen the big stadium, genuflected, and died out of pure respect."

You are the worst kind of internet person. You try and try to make a point and person after person proves you wrong over and over and over again and instead of saying, "You're right, I'm wrong, let's move on" you keep on with your mind-numbing drivel, running yourself in circles and I have had enough. You were at least a little entertaining when you were talking about building a recockulous 40 story tower on Highway 9 and Chautauqua, then with your absurd notion that OKC could host the Olympics in the next 15 years, let alone our lifetime. You are back on ignore and I will not ever address you again. I really hope all others on here put you on ignore so you will finally see that no one is in contact with you or responding to your posts and you will eventually just give up and go away.

Ok, good. That works for me. I'm gonna miss ya.

Yeah (in my best Lumbergh voice), he never compared OU to App State. That is you trying to discredit him. Here is the exact quote: "Then why did Rich Rodriguez fail? Why did Lloyd Carr get to "retire"? How did Appalachian State ever win at Ann Arbor? They surely should have seen the big stadium, genuflected, and died out of pure respect."

You are the worst kind of internet person. You try and try to make a point and person after person proves you wrong over and over and over again and instead of saying, "You're right, I'm wrong, let's move on" you keep on with your mind-numbing drivel, running yourself in circles and I have had enough. You were at least a little entertaining when you were talking about building a recockulous 40 story tower on Highway 9 and Chautauqua, then with your absurd notion that OKC could host the Olympics in the next 15 years, let alone our lifetime. You are back on ignore and I will not ever address you again. I really hope all others on here put you on ignore so you will finally see that no one is in contact with you or responding to your posts and you will eventually just give up and go away.

He seems to make these rounds on various sections of the forum. I guess we are being blessed with his trash again here. Ah well. Every village has to have an idiot, so I guess that is the role he is trying to fill.

Dave, OU48, and yourself got this locked down pretty well. I completely agree that over expansion for the sake of ***** envy is just stupid. I'd rather have an extremely profitable program, a beautiful 80,000 seat stadium with many luxury suites for those donors that can afford to support our school, and a quality weight room and other services for the students. This whole scheme of massive stadiums, towers in the middle of nowhere, and Olympics hosting wouldn't even fly in SimCity if playing without the cheat modes enabled. :-P

He seems to make these rounds on various sections of the forum. I guess we are being blessed with his trash again here. Ah well. Every village has to have an idiot, so I guess that is the role he is trying to fill.

Dave, OU48, and yourself got this locked down pretty well. I completely agree that over expansion for the sake of ***** envy is just stupid. I'd rather have an extremely profitable program, a beautiful 80,000 seat stadium with many luxury suites for those donors that can afford to support our school, and a quality weight room and other services for the students. This whole scheme of massive stadiums, towers in the middle of nowhere, and Olympics hosting wouldn't even fly in SimCity if playing without the cheat modes enabled. :-P

Venture, you know, I speak on behalf of that Large majority that doesn't have the time to view their opinions. ...not the small ( < 1% ) that live their lives through a forum. OKCtalk is great information, just don't get too carried away w/ your courage behind a keypad. It is easy to type it when they are not standing next to you.

If you don't agree, then fine, but you may want to pull back on your tone.

He seems to make these rounds on various sections of the forum. I guess we are being blessed with his trash again here. Ah well. Every village has to have an idiot, so I guess that is the role he is trying to fill.

Dave, OU48, and yourself got this locked down pretty well. I completely agree that over expansion for the sake of ***** envy is just stupid. I'd rather have an extremely profitable program, a beautiful 80,000 seat stadium with many luxury suites for those donors that can afford to support our school, and a quality weight room and other services for the students. This whole scheme of massive stadiums, towers in the middle of nowhere, and Olympics hosting wouldn't even fly in SimCity if playing without the cheat modes enabled. :-P

Venture, if you live in Norman you should know this already. The Univ. of Oklahoma is getting ready to spend over $300M on a new stadium expansion. Even the university / the athletic dept / the Admin agrees w/ me.

Venture, you know, I speak on behalf of that Large majority that doesn't have the time to view their opinions. ...not the small ( < 1% ) that live their lives through a forum. OKCtalk is great information, just don't get too carried away w/ your courage behind a keypad. It is easy to type it when they are not standing next to you.

If you don't agree, then fine, but you may want to pull back on your tone.

I have no problem calling people "logically challenged" to their face. I'm very honest when people refuse to provide proof for the nonsense they spew. I don't care if you are a random person hiding behind a made up name or 2 feet in front of me.


Venture, if you live in Norman you should know this already. The Univ. of Oklahoma is getting ready to spend over $300M on a new stadium expansion. Even the university / the athletic dept / the Admin agrees w/ me.

Hmm. So what position do you hold in the city that gives you such authority to know this? You have basically called some fools on this forum that are in fact DIRECTLY connected to those that are making these decisions. Back up what you are posting or shut it down.

Maybe someday?


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I kinda like how it has the O & U in it. :)

I kinda like how it has the O & U in it. :)

Me too,,,,,, but eventually...... probably decades from now..... the rumors say that an east side type upper deck will extend all the way around the entire stadium..... including the north side and when it is OU will have a stadium pushing a 110,000 type of number for its seating capacity....

We need to make sure that we don't build anything of significance in or around the stadium now that would need to be torn out later.
I hate it when we do that.

I have no problem calling people "logically challenged" to their face. I'm very honest when people refuse to provide proof for the nonsense they spew. I don't care if you are a random person hiding behind a made up name or 2 feet in front of me.



Hmm. So what position do you hold in the city that gives you such authority to know this? You have basically called some fools on this forum that are in fact DIRECTLY connected to those that are making these decisions. Back up what you are posting or shut it down.

Dentures, they are allowed to have their view. We all have our sources.

So Dentures, you have not heard? ...that means your source and a couple of others may not be "that directly" connected. I guess if it doesn't happen at an aiport or have a runway, then the value of your opinion is not that great. I will keep you in mind when I need a weather report or flight schedule. Thanks.

Would love that! But with the jumbo screen on the 2nd level would keep the seat count down and make this somewhat doable.

..and several new fan inter-actions features. Good stuff!

Maybe someday?


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So, if the uppers were to wrap all the way around south, how would it affect the Switzer Center? Would they just build over and around it? I assume the building would butt up right against the practice field south of the stadium?

So, if the uppers were to wrap all the way around south, how would it affect the Switzer Center? Would they just build over and around it? I assume the building would butt up right against the practice field south of the stadium?

My understanding is OU would build over and around the Switzer Center and that the Switzer Center will see a large expansion. Joe C once expalined how this would work.... The rake of the curent south enedzone won't be a problem as many fear. But I hate the fact that OU didn't build the south end zone to the same rake of the old parts of the stadium.

Personally and until they construct an upper deck around the entire stadium I would rather have an upper deck in the north end zone,,, but also fill in the corners on the south end zone and then add a south end zone upper deck when demand warrants.

My understanding is OU would build over and around the Switzer Center and that the Switzer Center will see a large expansion. Joe C once expalined how this would work.... The rake of the curent south enedzone won't be a problem as many fear. But I hate the fact that OU didn't build the south end zone to the same rake of the old parts of the stadium.

Personally and until they construct an upper deck around the entire stadium I would rather have an upper deck in the north end zone,,, but also fill in the corners on the south end zone and then add a south end zone upper deck when demand warrants.

I am curious what they would do with the mammoth scoreboard/video board they installed a few seasons ago on the south side. Work it into the new specs or possibly just move it to the north side?

I am curious what they would do with the mammoth scoreboard/video board they installed a few seasons ago on the south side. Work it into the new specs or possibly just move it to the north side?

I am not sure..... Those things have a limited life though.The cost has come way down. I would bet OU goes with a new one and places it at the top of the south upper deck?
I have heard a rumor that OU will be installing a much bigger screen in the north end zone?

And you finally proved my point. Top five reasons for underdogs to win? Not one has anything to do with having a 100,000 seat stadium.

Whew. Glad that's finally done.

Actually, Appalachian St started stadium expansion and upgrades in the mid-'90s which landed them recruits who won multiple FCS championships. Plans for stadium expansion were announced in 2005 that landed them recruits who then eventually beat Michigan in Ann Arbor in 2007. Just saying.

When you build new facility’s it creates an excitement around the football program that in turn is sold to recruits......
Obviously OU won’t be maxing out its stadium size anytime soon but having something new or planed for the players helps recruiting....

A new and bigger weight room probably offers OU the biggest recruiting bump for the lowest cost.

Dentures, they are allowed to have their view. We all have our sources.

So Dentures, you have not heard? ...that means your source and a couple of others may not be "that directly" connected. I guess if it doesn't happen at an aiport or have a runway, then the value of your opinion is not that great. I will keep you in mind when I need a weather report or flight schedule. Thanks.The name calling man; it is immature and your "insults" aren't even that good.

Maybe someday?
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Would there be some sort of giant fan to blow some air into the stadium for day games in September? We nearly suffocated at a couple this past year.

Dentures, they are allowed to have their view. We all have our sources.

So Dentures, you have not heard? ...that means your source and a couple of others may not be "that directly" connected. I guess if it doesn't happen at an aiport or have a runway, then the value of your opinion is not that great. I will keep you in mind when I need a weather report or flight schedule. Thanks.

ok... let's cut it out with the name-calling. -M

A new and bigger weight room probably offers OU the biggest recruiting bump for the lowest cost.

Nope, a bigger stadium is the only way to go, remember?

I have no idea if this is true or not but there are rumors right now that OU has been approaching its major donor base for major contributions. Supposedly the OU goal is to raise $450 million.

A radio talk show host on KREF indicated this morning that OU is going to add on to the stadium and that the new seating total will be somewhere in the 90's and that much of the expansion will come from additional suites.

IMO $450 million would likely involve a major stadium over haul and expansion along with a new basketball arena.

ND just put out pictures of their $400 million stadium overhaul, so if that amount is similar for OU I guess we can expect a similar project in scope.

ND just put out pictures of their $400 million stadium overhaul, so if that amount is similar for OU I guess we can expect a similar project in scope.

I was just getting ready to post that. Notice the price, but it only increases the seating by 3,000-4,000 seats from 80,795 to about 84,000.

Here is a quote from ND President John I. Jenkins: "At a time when some are questioning the future of the residential college campus we believe the investment in these new facilities, which will house new research and teaching venues, several academic departments, a much-expanded student center, a digital media center and a variety of hospitality and programming spaces, will greatly enhance the campus experience for all those who study, live, work here and visit Notre Dame, as well as new amenities that will deliver outstanding game day experiences for Irish fans. Since its founding, one of Notre Dame's greatest assets has been the boldness of its vision– the ability to see possibilities and connections where others saw only obstacles and fragmentation. This project continues that boldness of vision.

This might be a very simple question, but can they move the smaller practice fields from on the SW corner of the stadium (not the really nice one directly south of the stadium) and build a smaller B-ball arena there? I would think even with a stadium expansion, you could get a 6,000-8,000 person stadium on the corner and have some Asp and Lindsey interaction.

This might be a very simple question, but can they move the smaller practice fields from on the SW corner of the stadium (not the really nice one directly south of the stadium) and build a smaller B-ball arena there? I would think even with a stadium expansion, you could get a 6,000-8,000 person stadium on the corner and have some Asp and Lindsey interaction.

I'm certain there is no way the OU football program would ever consider reducing the amount of state of the art football practice fields they now have. Most other good teams have as much or more practice space as OU.

But OU might consider a location just across the street to the south in an area that is mostly now a parking lot?

My preferred new basketball arena location remains at the NE corner of Jenkins and Brooks.

I'm certain there is no way the OU football program would ever consider reducing the amount of state of the art football practice fields they now have. Most other good teams have as much or more practice space as OU.

But OU might consider a location just across the street to the south in an area that is mostly now a parking lot?

My preferred new basketball arena location remains at the NE corner of Jenkins and Brooks.

The area south of the stadium is a huge tailgating area (as I am sure you are aware) and it always really cool to walk down Lindsey with the stadium on your left all the Sooner faithful on your right with people playing football in the street, cooking out, etc. I would much more prefer the NE/C of Jenkins and Boyd or even the SE/C in that parking lot. It seems like there is a sea of parking there anyway.

The area south of the stadium is a huge tailgating area (as I am sure you are aware) and it always really cool to walk down Lindsey with the stadium on your left all the Sooner faithful on your right with people playing football in the street, cooking out, etc. I would much more prefer the NE/C of Jenkins and Boyd or even the SE/C in that parking lot. It seems like there is a sea of parking there anyway.

That reminds me of the days I used to always be able to park on the practice field just south of the stadium for every game. It was heaven. ;)

If they said JTF - you pick the new basketball location, I would put it at the NW corner of University and Main.

If they said JTF - you pick the new basketball location, I would put it at the NW corner of University and Main.
The problem with that location is that it only recreates much the same problem that we have now...
But its even further away from where the bulk of Student live. Its been out on its own island.

A downtown Norman location would require that decent buildings be torn down. It would be a major encroachment on near by neighborhoods, traffic and parking would be a nightmare.... That location just simply isn't going to happen....

It would be better to put a new arena near where a major detestation already exist for many different events and where they have already built complementary supporting infrastructure such as housing, parking and retail services. But also near where a newly revamped physical plant exist that would be needed to supply heat and air.

My preferred location is basically across the street from the physical plant. This location would save a lot of money up front but also in ongoing operating cost. It would be with in walking distance for virtually all on campus students. It would send many more shoppers into the Campus Corner area.

I would much more prefer the NE/C of Jenkins and Boyd or even the SE/C in that parking lot. It seems like there is a sea of parking there anyway.Those locations would not be bad at all. But I believe OU would need to buy up existing property's including a number of several old mostly poorly maintained homes.
I'm not sure, but you might get into historical neighborhood issues on the north side of Boyd?

The problem with that location is that it only recreates much the same problem that we have now...
But its even further away from where the bulk of Student live. Its been out on its own island.

A downtown Norman location would require that decent buildings be torn down. It would be a major encroachment on near by neighborhoods, traffic and parking would be a nightmare.... That location just simply isn't going to happen....


That all depends on what type of community you are trying to make. Personally I would like to see a lot more student housing get relocated closer to downtown Norman.

You're right though - it isn't going to happen.