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Pete
10-18-2013, 10:35 AM
Restaurants
Uptown 23rd
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Address: 23rd & Walker
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Development: The Rise
Status: under construction
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Information & Latest News
11/13/13: Retailers flocking to The Rise (http://newsok.com/retailers-flocking-to-the-rise-at-nw-23-and-walker-in-oklahoma-city/article/3904447)

10/18/13: A Good Egg Dining Group (http://goodeggdining.com/) (Cheever's, Iron Starr, RePUBlic, Kitchen no. 324, Tucker's, Red PrimeSteak) will be opening a new seafood restaurant in The Rise development at NW 23rd & Walker (http://goo.gl/maps/wYJg0). A.G.E. has leased 4,500 square feet in the far east end of The Rise fronting Walker, and the space features a very tall vaulted ceiling. Restaurant will feature seafood flown in from both coasts and raw oysters with several special dipping sauces.

A Good Egg Group has invested heavily in the Uptown / 23rd Street corridor, recently purchasing and renovating 2500 N. Walker into their new headquarters and catering kitchen. They also own and operate Cheever's Cafe at 2409 N. Hudson, Tucker's Onion Burgers at 324 NW 23rd, and own 401 NW 23rd, the location of Dutch Floral & Home (http://www.okctalk.com/other-urban-development/24994-uptown-23rd-development-37.html#post689937).
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Pete
10-22-2013, 08:14 AM
Bumping this to the top -- this is another OKCTalk exclusive!

lasomeday
10-22-2013, 08:18 AM
How did it get lost in the posts? Looks like it will be the anchor to the development. Can't wait to try it out. What is the Pizza place behind it? And new apartments? Have you seen what the designs for those? Two or three story? That is a great location!

Pete
10-22-2013, 08:20 AM
Pizza place will be a new concept by Chris Lower (Big Truck Tacos, Back Door BBQ, Mutts, etc.). Heard it will be called Coaled Pizza.

Apartments will be developed by Marva Ellard. Cottages to be renovated, new apartments built. Not sure of the exact design.

lasomeday
10-22-2013, 08:23 AM
Wow, this is awesome! Three great developments in one block. The gentrification of this area is about to hit hyperspeed!

BBatesokc
10-22-2013, 08:24 AM
Excellent news! So far the wife and I love every Good Egg endeavor, so I'm certain this will be a hit.

Also excited to see this area further developed.

jrod
10-22-2013, 08:28 AM
This is fantastic news. 23rd is picking up some serious steam.

BDK
10-22-2013, 08:29 AM
and raw oysters with several special dipping sauces.

Now this is news I can get behind!

bchris02
10-22-2013, 08:34 AM
Is this in place of or in addition to the 80s Retropub that was originally supposed to go into the Rise?

Pete
10-22-2013, 08:38 AM
Is this in place of or in addition to the 80s Retropub that was originally supposed to go into the Rise?

In addition to.

This restaurant will be at the far east end of The Rise, and FlashBack RetroPub will be at the far west end.

pickles
10-22-2013, 08:57 AM
Is this in place of or in addition to the 80s Retropub that was originally supposed to go into the Rise?

There is no good reason to think FlashBack is off. No one has given any indication to that effect.

AP
10-22-2013, 09:07 AM
Uptown is picking up steam quickly.

bchris02
10-22-2013, 09:10 AM
In addition to.

This restaurant will be at the far east end of The Rise, and FlashBack RetroPub will be at the far west end.

Cool. I am really looking forward to this seafood restaurant. It is very significant being that currently the best it really gets in this city is Red Lobster (unless you like fried seafood). This restaurant will do very well because it brings something new to the city.

Plutonic Panda
10-22-2013, 09:12 AM
Cool. I am really looking forward to this seafood restaurant. It is very significant being that currently the best it really gets in this city is Red Lobster (unless you like fried seafood). This restaurant will do very well because it brings something new to the city.There is Pearls, which is pretty good.

bchris02
10-22-2013, 09:15 AM
There is Pearls, which is pretty good.

I haven't been to Pearls in Nichols Hills. I've been to Trappers and Crabtown. Those are great restaurants but different from a more upscale seafood place. I like the Cajun flair the Trappers has.

HangryHippo
10-22-2013, 09:18 AM
Wonderful news! I'm especially excited for this because I love seafood and A Good Egg.

As for the apartments, hopefully Marva sticks with this project.

Plutonic Panda
10-22-2013, 09:30 AM
I haven't been to Pearls in Nichols Hills. I've been to Trappers and Crabtown. Those are great restaurants but different from a more upscale seafood place. I like the Cajun flair the Trappers has.oh man, you don't know what you're missing then. Pearls is by far my favorite seafood restaurant in OKC.

lasomeday
10-22-2013, 10:25 AM
oh man, you don't know what you're missing then. Pearls is by far my favorite seafood restaurant in OKC.

Yeah, the only good seafood places in town have a cajun twist to them. It would be nice to have a seafood place that had a Northwest or Northeast feel to it.

soonerguru
10-22-2013, 10:35 AM
Great news! Can't wait!

Praedura
10-22-2013, 10:36 AM
Do we have any more info on the new apartments being developed by Marva Ellard? Is there a thread for that?

Plutonic Panda
10-22-2013, 10:37 AM
Yeah, the only good seafood places in town have a cajun twist to them. It would be nice to have a seafood place that had a Northwest or Northeast feel to it.TBH, I have yet to eat at an establishment with a true Northeast seafood taste, other than Red Lobster, but I don't know how authentic they are.

onthestrip
10-22-2013, 10:39 AM
Yeah, the only good seafood places in town have a cajun twist to them. It would be nice to have a seafood place that had a Northwest or Northeast feel to it.

Exactly my thoughts.

BBatesokc
10-22-2013, 10:41 AM
Yeah, the only good seafood places in town have a cajun twist to them. It would be nice to have a seafood place that had a Northwest or Northeast feel to it.

That's how they disguise the fact our seafood is not fresh!

Bellaboo
10-22-2013, 10:57 AM
Since we're on seafood, anyone try the scallops at Vast ?

bchris02
10-22-2013, 11:50 AM
TBH, I have yet to eat at an establishment with a true Northeast seafood taste, other than Red Lobster, but I don't know how authentic they are.

You should try Bonefish Grill sometime. They have locations in Dallas, Tulsa, and Wichita. They aren't really what I would call upscale but they are a cut above Red Lobster and are a solid choice in landlocked cities.

Rover
10-22-2013, 01:13 PM
TBH, I have yet to eat at an establishment with a true Northeast seafood taste, other than Red Lobster, but I don't know how authentic they are.

Red Lobster is not a quality seafood restaurant. It is a very generic fish restaurant. It is sort of like what El Chico's is to Mexican restaurants. I am hoping we FINALLY get a REAL seafood restaurant of quality. Since it is Good Egg, I can hope. If they just have fried catfish and shrimp with crab legs then it will be a fail.

CuatrodeMayo
10-22-2013, 01:20 PM
Red Lobster is garbage. Last time I ate there, I left physically ill. Not because of the poor quality "seafood", but because I had shelled out a decent amount of cash for such sub-par food.

I'm really looking forward to this.

Buffalo Bill
10-22-2013, 02:18 PM
Should be a great addition to 23rd Street.

Right now I think the best bet for seafood is Rococo.

Teo9969
10-22-2013, 03:31 PM
The upscale steakhouses usually have good seafood. Mahogany's crab is obscenely delicious and I've had great fish at Mahogany and Ranch.

Shrimp/Scallops can vary in quality. But all the seafood comes at a higher price in these places.

Lobster Cargot at Mahogany is just...oh man...

Ginkasa
10-22-2013, 03:45 PM
Not a sea food fan personally. I guess I'll just have to go to Cheever's or Tucker's again.

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Urbanized
10-22-2013, 03:54 PM
Yeah, just like the millinery in Paseo, I think a good, truly fresh seafood place in OKC will find an audience simply because of pent-up demand. Cajun, fried or national chain are the only options for seafood-first restaurants in OKC. Frankly, the best fresh seafood option I can think of in OKC right now is Mickey Mantle's STEAKHOUSE. I mean, it's completely legit, , surprisingly large selection, they fly their fish in daily, and it is delicious, but who goes to a steakhouse to eat their fish? Especially when there are amazing steaks to be had on the same menu?

No question A Good Egg is the right bunch of people to take this on. I'm excited.

bradh
10-22-2013, 08:27 PM
I don't mind the cajun/gulf coast flavor because I grew up on it, but I'm a seafood junkie at heart, so I don't mind all of it.

bchris02
10-22-2013, 08:36 PM
I don't mind the cajun/gulf coast flavor because I grew up on it, but I'm a seafood junkie at heart, so I don't mind all of it.

I agree. I do like the cajun/gulf flavor seafood options that OKC does have. There is a surprisingly large amount of it here considering how far it is from South Louisiana. Good cajun food is hard to find in a lot of places. However, the New England genre of seafood that is unbelievably lacking in OKC is about as different from that genre as it is from sushi.

bradh
10-22-2013, 10:30 PM
I don't know the NE seafood, but I just prefer good fresh fish, like I was able to enjoy in Seattle. I really love me some crab legs.

Urbanized
10-23-2013, 09:06 AM
I'm not complaining about cajun, by the way. I love cajun. But I also love variety.

Patrick
10-23-2013, 09:20 AM
Red Lobster isn't that bad, for a chain restaurant. You can't really compare it to a local restaurant, which it is not.

bchris02
10-23-2013, 09:31 AM
Red Lobster isn't that bad, for a chain restaurant. You can't really compare it to a local restaurant, which it is not.

Red Lobster and Olive Garden are sister chains. Like Olive Garden, Red Lobster is consistent, but it's consistently mediocre. Some chains like Pappadeaux, Bonefish Grill, McCormick and Schmick's, etc are much, much better than Red Lobster in the same way the chains Macaroni Grill and Bravo! are much better Italian food than Olive Garden.

Patrick
10-23-2013, 09:58 AM
Red Lobster and Olive Garden are sister chains. Like Olive Garden, Red Lobster is consistent, but it's consistently mediocre. Some chains like Pappadeaux, Bonefish Grill, McCormick and Schmick's, etc are much, much better than Red Lobster in the same way the chains Macaroni Grill and Bravo! are much better Italian food than Olive Garden.

I would agree with that.

tomokc
10-23-2013, 10:09 AM
And over at the "Best Burger in OKC" thread I don't think anyone has nominated McDonald's.

adaniel
10-23-2013, 11:01 AM
I don't mind the cajun/gulf coast flavor because I grew up on it, but I'm a seafood junkie at heart, so I don't mind all of it.

I know some people from the NE who practically inhale Cajun food. The cajun style of cooking is becoming very popular well outside of the gulf coast.

Sorry but I find most seafood from the NE to be bland and lacking in flavor (but then again my family is from Looziana so I am obviously biased). I remember eating some fish when I went to Long Island this summer that was supposedly caught that day. Yeah it was fresh, but I kept asking myself, "what's the big deal?"

Stew
10-23-2013, 03:24 PM
This is great news. Although I'm skeptical anybody can do great seafood so far from the sea but if anybody can I'm sure it's them.

Another kudos for okctalk.

Urbanized
10-23-2013, 04:09 PM
Man, if you think seafood options outside of cajun are limited to New-England style, it only illustrates how dire our situation is here. Unless they travel a lot, folks from around OKC haven't been exposed to seafood from the mid- and southeast-Atlantic coast, from the Caribbean, from Mexico, California and the Pacific Northwest. There are also plenty of great dishes from Asia and elsewhere. Seafood doesn't have to (and shouldn't) be limited to fried catfish, cajun (though I love it), Red Lobster and Long John Silvers.

Dubya61
10-23-2013, 05:25 PM
I grew up hating what I called seafood (but in reality, it was locally caught fresh water -- if you can call Oklahoma rivers and ponds fresh water -- fish: cornbread coated and fried, thank you Momma). When I joined the Navy and spent a lot of time on Mediterranean coasts, I grew to love seafood. I am pretty certain the difference is freshness. The first eye-opener to the wonders of good seafood remains a favorite to this day. We went out to a place in Souda Bay called (by the Sailors), the Souda Bay Fish House (real catchy name, eh?). Not knowing what to get, I chose what my date was having: Swordfish. The server asked us to come to the kitchen and pick out our cut. We went back and there, on an ice-table was a huge swordfish. From there on out, I was hooked on seafood, so long as it was fresh. I know cajun food and certainly like most if not all I've tried, but can't really put my finger on what might constitute other regional treatment of seafood.

bchris02
10-23-2013, 07:17 PM
Man, if you think seafood options outside of cajun are limited to New-England style, it only illustrates how dire our situation is here. Unless they travel a lot, folks from around OKC haven't been exposed to seafood from the mid- and southeast-Atlantic coast, from the Caribbean, from Mexico, California and the Pacific Northwest. There are also plenty of great dishes from Asia and elsewhere. Seafood doesn't have to (and shouldn't) be limited to fried catfish, cajun (though I love it), Red Lobster and Long John Silvers.

This pretty much sums it up. However, even Tulsa, Wichita, and Little Rock have better exposure to decent seafood than OKC. While I don't expect anybody here to get even close to a dockside seafood cafe off the coast of S. Carolina, we can definitely do better than Red Lobster or Long John Silvers.

bradh
10-24-2013, 09:59 AM
we can definitely do better than Red Lobster or Long John Silvers.

As someone stated earlier, if you're limiting your seafood exposure to places marketed only as seafood, you're doing it wrong.

Rover
10-24-2013, 10:15 AM
Restaurants focusing on seafood, particularly in Oklahoma, need the volume that allows them to ship multiple types of high quality fresh fish to their establishments on a daily or near daily basis. They need chefs that specialize in understanding the nuances of the tastes of particular fish and how to complement it with particular side dishes, wines, etc. Most steak houses or general continental food restaurants do not focus on constantly improving fish dishes. Most chefs from here don't have years of experience preparing high quality seafood dishes. So yes, high quality seafood restaurants do it better. If you are expecting to have the best seafood dishes at steak houses or general restaurants, you are going to be disappointed if you are a seafood aficionado. I am hoping that Good Egg understands the focus needed and equips and staffs accordingly, including the wait staff who recommends the dishes, sides, wines, desserts, etc.

If Good Egg is only trying to be better than Red Lobster (or any "fish place" in OKC now, then that won't be a very high bar. If they don't actually focus on high quality seafood and all that implies, it will fail. If they are going to pose as a seafood restaurant, they should actually be one. I am sure they understand and will do that.

Bellaboo
10-24-2013, 10:16 AM
This pretty much sums it up. However, even Tulsa, Wichita, and Little Rock have better exposure to decent seafood than OKC. While I don't expect anybody here to get even close to a dockside seafood cafe off the coast of S. Carolina, we can definitely do better than Red Lobster or Long John Silvers.

Go to VAST and order up the scallops...... your opinion might just change. They have other seafood other than the scallops, that's just what i had.

Rover
10-24-2013, 10:22 AM
Best fish place in Wichita is BoneFish...another general chain. Better than Red Lobster, but not nearly up to the original BoneFish. I know there are some restaurants in Tulsa that serve some decent fish, but certainly not great seafood. Don't know about LR, except they do good catfish (not really SEAfood). If Good Egg wants, it can easily zoom to the top of the list regionally. It just takes commitment and investment in that commitment.

BDP
10-24-2013, 10:57 AM
This is great news. Although I'm skeptical anybody can do great seafood so far from the sea but if anybody can I'm sure it's them.

Another kudos for okctalk.

Well, if Nobu can do sushi in Dallas, you'd think good seafood could be done here too.

bchris02
10-24-2013, 11:26 AM
Best fish place in Wichita is BoneFish...another general chain. Better than Red Lobster, but not nearly up to the original BoneFish. I know there are some restaurants in Tulsa that serve some decent fish, but certainly not great seafood. Don't know about LR, except they do good catfish (not really SEAfood). If Good Egg wants, it can easily zoom to the top of the list regionally. It just takes commitment and investment in that commitment.

If Red Lobster is like Olive Garden, Bonefish is like Carrabbas. Carrabbas is a significant step above Olive Garden in that they have a better menu and also prepare their food on-site as opposed to Olive Garden which basically microwaves pre-packaged and frozen meals, but it's still a general chain and not the best in the genre. Likewise, Bonefish would be a welcome alternative to Red Lobster even being the chain that it is. I read that originally Bonefish was supposed to open in Tulsa, OKC, and Wichita all at once but the OKC location was cancelled because of the 2008 recession. I really wouldn't be surprised if they eventually make another attempt at getting into the OKC market.

jbkrems
10-24-2013, 12:32 PM
I've been to the Bonefish Grill in Tulsa; it is actually in Broken Arrow, on the border of Broken Arrow/Tulsa. Bonefish is owned by the same company that owns Outback Steakhouse. I found the quality of the food there to be very good and better than other seafood restaurants, e.g. Pearls on Classen. I am looking forward to what Good Egg puts out because even if I disagree with one of their concepts, their quality is always excellent no matter what they do.

bradh
10-24-2013, 01:52 PM
Go to VAST and order up the scallops...... your opinion might just change. They have other seafood other than the scallops, that's just what i had.

It's just his MO. Everywhere in the midwest other than OKC is better at everything, and OKC is such a drag, blah blah blah Wal-Mart blah blah blah

AP
10-24-2013, 01:59 PM
It's just his MO. Everywhere in the midwest other than OKC is better at everything, and OKC is such a drag, blah blah blah Wal-Mart blah blah blah

I'm glad you posted this, Brad. Every time I read ANY of his posts, I want to say the exact same thing. Why stay here if it's so bad.

bradh
10-24-2013, 02:01 PM
I mean Wichita? Seriously? I spend a lot of time there. There is hardly anything better there than there is here (the exception being the hotel connected to Century 2).

bchris02
10-24-2013, 02:48 PM
I mean Wichita? Seriously? I spend a lot of time there. There is hardly anything better there than there is here (the exception being the hotel connected to Century 2).

Come on. Just because Wichita has one or two restaurants in a cuisine OKC is lacking doesn't mean its a better city or everything is better there. I never have said anything of the sort. I was in Wichita last weekend as a matter of fact and I found the place extremely underwhelming overall.

Urbanized
10-24-2013, 02:53 PM
The fact that we're sitting here arguing which city has a better chain seafood restaurant only makes it clear that neither city has great seafood right now.

AP
10-24-2013, 03:06 PM
Come on. Just because Wichita has one or two restaurants in a cuisine OKC is lacking doesn't mean its a better city or everything is better there. I never have said anything of the sort. I was in Wichita last weekend as a matter of fact and I found the place extremely underwhelming overall.

I think pahdz was lamenting over the general tone of most of your posts about OKC. You, seemingly, love to point out what OKC is lacking and the fact that we aren't quite 'Big League' yet. Just my take on the situation, but I'd have to agree with him.

BDP
10-24-2013, 04:12 PM
Anyone remember Boca Boca? Their seafood specials were legit and it was done in OKC. So, it's possible, but maybe their closing means it's not feasible here? I don't know.

bradh
10-24-2013, 04:46 PM
Come on. Just because Wichita has one or two restaurants in a cuisine OKC is lacking doesn't mean its a better city or everything is better there. I never have said anything of the sort. I was in Wichita last weekend as a matter of fact and I found the place extremely underwhelming overall.

Name them. I bet they are Lebanese. I'll give them that, they have a huge Lebanese population.

betts
10-24-2013, 04:50 PM
Bonefish Grill is meh, as far as I'm concerned. I'm delighted this new restaurant will be local.

I spent years eating seafood in S. Carolina and what they have is fresh - something impossible to achieve here. Doesn't mean it can't be good, however.