Looking at page 3 and noticing there is A LOT of retail space. Hopefully we get some chains OKC or Edmond has never seen. Maybe a few of the retailers that are proposed for NHP.That would be nice! I am not a big fan of all the parking near the hospital, but overall I think this will bring some great retailers to OKC.

That would be nice! I am not a big fan of all the parking near the hospital, but overall I think this will bring some great retailers to OKC.
Having spent much time around hospitals in the past year (unfortunately) it seems most never have enough parking, even those with garages. They are almost tripling the size of Sky Ridge Hospital in Lone Tree and haven't added additional parking yet, no garage at that hospital so most of the spots are far away from the temporary entrances during construction. Parker Adventist has no garages so some lots that seem to be open during the day are on the other side of the doctors office building. Midland had a garage but with all the big pickups there it tended to not get used as much as the surface lots.

Any chance that large anchor on the west side is Costco with a small liquor store on the north side of it?

I'm excited about the "miles" of bicycling trails. If I can find a safe route from my house to there it might become a regular ride for me.

Any chance that large anchor on the west side is Costco with a small liquor store on the north side of it?

I don't see Costco wanting to be deep within the development. They would probably want to be along a major road. Eventually they will come to OKC, but its probably not happening here. And really, there's nicer things that are going into Chisholm Creek than Costco. Costco is only special to OKC because we dont have one yet. Kind of like the DQ in Moore. lol

Costco had agreed to terms to purchase property in this development but then backed out. Then they came back didn't like the remaining options that were available.

So, they are now on hold in OKC for at least a year. When they start looking again, I'm almost positive it will not be in Chisholm Creek, as there are plenty of other options that would allow the exposure they seek.

Too bad they didn't go with that spot at I-44 and May.

I don't see Costco wanting to be deep within the development. They would probably want to be along a major road. Eventually they will come to OKC, but its probably not happening here. And really, there's nicer things that are going into Chisholm Creek than Costco. Costco is only special to OKC because we dont have one yet. Kind of like the DQ in Moore. lol

I would say its more important than that. Like WinCo, Costco is an important step in weaning this city off the Wal-Mart heroin.

Very disappointing..


Costco had agreed to terms to purchase property in this development but then backed out. Then they came back didn't like the remaining options that were available.

So, they are now on hold in OKC for at least a year. When they start looking again, I'm almost positive it will not be in Chisholm Creek, as there are plenty of other options that would allow the exposure they seek.

Costco is only special to OKC because we dont have one yet. Kind of like the DQ in Moore. lol

Agree.

I seem to remember people on here coveting a Dave & Buster's for a long time. Now OKC has one and it seems to be an afterthought. Choice is always nice but OKC will be fine until it gets a Costco, if ever. One store is not gonna make or break OKC.

To be fair, our Dave and Buster's kinda sucks. Full sized D&B's have bowling lanes and pool tables. This is just a restaurant and a bunch of video games. I've been twice and bored each time. Did the deal where you get a meal and like $20 of gaming credits, left with money on my card each time, and never had the motivation to use the rest.

But that being said, I get why people want Costco to enter the OKC market, but let's not act like we're a subpar city without it. Just an extra feather in our retail cap.

But that being said, I get why people want Costco to enter the OKC market, but let's not act like we're a subpar city without it. Just an extra feather in our retail cap.

Oklahoma City's retail offerings, even though improving, are still subpar compared to other cities this size and even smaller. Not necessarily talking about Tulsa but places like Memphis, Birmingham, Louisville, Jacksonville, Albuquerque, etc. That is a fact, not unnecessary negative spin. I think Costco entering the market is a big deal and will be another small step towards loosening Wal-Mart's death grip on retail here providing more diverse shopping options for OKC citizens.

Oklahoma City's retail offerings, even though improving, are still subpar compared to other cities this size and even smaller. Not necessarily talking about Tulsa but places like Memphis, Birmingham, Louisville, Jacksonville, Albuquerque, etc. That is a fact, not unnecessary negative spin.

I see now that the Tulsa myth has been completely refuted you've moved on to another whole host of cities.

Hopefully if Costco does come here they'll build a full sized store and not some specialized small market store. I think that's the issue with D&B and even Whole Foods to a lesser degree. In all three cases I think OKC could support full sized stores.

I see now that the Tulsa myth has been completely refuted you've moved on to another whole host of cities.

Sorry, Pete, but I stand by that and I don't think it can be refuted with those other cities. It's a fact that retail options are one of OKC's major weak points. It's getting better but it still has a long way to go.

That is a fact, not unnecessary negative spin.
Just because you declare it to be "fact" doesn't make it, in fact, a "fact," nor does it negate the "fact" that your "fact" continues to be unnecessary negative spin.

I see now that the Tulsa myth has been completely refuted you've moved on to another whole host of cities.

It's called trolling.

Just because you declare it to be "fact" doesn't make it, in fact, a "fact," nor does it negate the "fact" that your "fact" continues to be unnecessary negative spin.

One of the first rules of online forums. If you don't like what is said but you can't refute it, attack the poster.

I think the Drivetimes, shown at Post #657, are . . . "optimistic".

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One of the first rules of online forums. If you don't like what is said but you can't refute it, attack the poster.
The rule just before that one says that when someone challenges your assertions that your opinions are "facts," then claim it's a personal attack rather than a challenge of your assertion. It's easier to play the victim.

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Its not a wholesale warehouse so it doesn't matter according to Chris. lol

Oklahoma City's retail offerings, even though improving, are still subpar compared to other cities this size and even smaller. Not necessarily talking about Tulsa but places like Memphis, Birmingham, Louisville, Jacksonville, Albuquerque, etc. That is a fact, not unnecessary negative spin. I think Costco entering the market is a big deal and will be another small step towards loosening Wal-Mart's death grip on retail here providing more diverse shopping options for OKC citizens.

OKC is behind Albuquerque but Albuquerque has some major issues facing it for the next 20-40 years. There's three pillars to their economy and 2 are threatened at best.
Sandia National Labs- they aren't going anywhere, but defense spending has peaked for a while and will remain stagnant. The other is the massive Intel fab.
Intel's influence in the tech has been declined because of their disastrous decision to call tablets and mobile phones a fad and not focus to make chips for them. Intel has a lot of catching up to do.
Last is the University of New Mexico which is going to do just fine. It has excellent engineering and medical schools.

They also have no Fortune 500 companies. There is no Devon or Chesapeake making waves and hiring 100s of people at a time. Just slow and steady.

Abq also gets a lot of the retailers because they have a very centralized high income area. (Engineers for Intel and the labs make very good money) The NE heights are close to the mountains. Everyone wants to live close to the mountains, so property values jump and therefore most of the wealth in the city lives there. Not spread out like OKC. From everything I've read that's a big key to retailers.

Sure they had whole foods in like 2005. Trader joes in 2008. Abq uptown is pretty nice. And sidewalks alongside every road. (that's not a joke) The long term viability of Abq isn't good.

Keep in mind that almost all of OKC's growth and emergence took place during the worst economic crisis of the last 50 years.

Just as OKC was starting to be looked at by major national retailers, the economy tanked and many of these chains started closing stores rather than expanding.

Walmart doubled-down as they already were in a good position, and that has brought us to where we are now.


But that is changing very rapidly and rather than harp on about the past, it's time to focus on the dozens of retailers who have recently announced plans for OKC, with plenty more on the way.

New images show glimpse of Chisholm Creek development | News OK (http://newsok.com/new-images-show-glimpse-of-chisholm-creek-development/article/5386843)

I want to say I like the renderings so far. I really think could end up being that modern, inviting shopping center than OKC has been missing for a long time.

What's the latest on The Rustic.
Would love to see something like that in N.OKC!

Land is being cleared on the NW corner of E Memorial and N Everest (between CarMax and 7-Eleven). I work in the area and have heard that one of the new 7-Eleven locations here. There is a dingy 1980s 7-Eleven store just across the street here and there are two OnCue locations within two miles.

Yes that is going to be a new 7-11.
They have owned it for a long time.
There are actually 3 OnCues within a 2 mile radius.

Land is being cleared on a large acreage along the south side of Memorial Rd, east of Broadway Extension, directly across from the old 7-Eleven building (what would be between Everest Ave and Crossing Way.) Not any signs there but they've had tractors in there doing a lot of dirt work over the last several weeks.

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I believe it will be for senior living.

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I believe it will be for senior living.

Talk about explosion of retail... The number of senior living places in the vicinity has exploded, I think there are three new developments a bit south around Western and 122nd.

Talk about explosion of retail... The number of senior living places in the vicinity has exploded, I think there are three new developments a bit south around Western and 122nd.

Huge amount of Baby Boomers no longer able to live independently.

And the American culture is to not take in our older relatives.

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I believe it will be for senior living.

Backs up to a cemetery too. Life comes at you fast.

As for senior living, there has been huge void of these types on units in OKC. I expect a ton of 55+ neighborhoods, ect to pop up over the next 5 years or so. People are just living longer and need to have better living options.

Huge amount of Baby Boomers no longer able to live independently.

And the American culture is to not take in our older relatives.

I just saw in the Yukon Progressive that Spanish Cove is building a multi-story complex with lots of units. I think they have more than half already pre-sold. I only wonder what will happen to all of these places built once the baby boomers pass through.

When I lived in SoCal, there were tons of senior living communities and more being built all the time.

OKC has a bunch of smaller facilities but as far as I know, none of the large almost city-like developments you see in other sunbelt states. Many of these pre-dated the aging of the baby boom generation.

The idea is that you move into these communities while you are still independent but they have all the skilled nursing and other facilities on-site so you can live out the remainder of your life on that campus.

This is a good location for senior living as it's a straight shot up Memorial to Oklahoma Christian U. One of the big draws for lots of seniors is ongoing education classes, like Lunch with A Professor or Town Hall Meetings. There's already a couple of senior livings nearby. Fleet of doctor offices on Bryant just north of Memorial.
The big downsides? It's still a bit far to a tertiary care center. Probably 10-15 minutes by ambulance to Mercy main campus or Integris I-35. And most of the "sun-belt" retirement communities make use of the natural landscape i.e. water features in Cali or Florida, desert mountains in Rio Rancho or Az.
The landscape at this site is basically a large cemetery. Maybe a bit too Tennessee Williams.

I'd love to see OKC embrace more of the multi generational living arrangements where young families live with seniors, in duplexes or tiny homes. Helps with the common problem of isolation and loneliness in our elderly population.

When I lived in SoCal, there were tons of senior living communities and more being built all the time.

OKC has a bunch of smaller facilities but as far as I know, none of the large almost city-like developments you see in other sunbelt states. Many of these pre-dated the aging of the baby boom generation.

The idea is that you move into these communities while you are still independent but they have all the skilled nursing and other facilities on-site so you can live out the remainder of your life on that campus.

I suspect this is in part due to Oklahoma being a Certificate of Needs state.

I'd love to see OKC embrace more of the multi generational living arrangements where young families live with seniors, in duplexes or tiny homes. Helps with the common problem of isolation and loneliness in our elderly population.

Isolation and loneliness among elderly residents is going to be a huge problem for OKC due to the extent that the city has been built around the automobile.

Isolation and loneliness among elderly residents is going to be a huge problem for OKC due to the extent that the city has been built around the automobile.

And that the west US doesn't have that strong ethnic influence. In my family, one of my siblings would have taken my parents in but my parents absolutely refused. I think about my upcoming elderly years with one son who doesnt have an enormous gene of empathy and it scares me a little.

Huge amount of Baby Boomers no longer able to live independently.

And the American culture is to not take in our older relatives.

Both of my parents scoffed at the idea of moving back in with any of their kids.

When they sold the "homestead", they wanted to remain as independent as long as possible and live in a community of people with similar life experiences, tastes in food, music, entertainment, etc.

Currently, the American culture is parents trying to get their kids to live independently. :)

There’s a difference between taking in elder parents and kids coming back home to live with their parents to save money.

The Atlantic published quite a lengthy article this week addressing this issue of family independence and multi generational housing.

Given the current state of the early Millennial and late Gen X friends I know that have Boomer parents looking at late retirement living, these senior living facilities are better equipped to handle both the physical and emotional well being of an aging population as well as still offer as much independence in a small studio or one bedroom apartment.


Link to article: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-nuclear-family-was-a-mistake/605536/

What is being built at Portland and memorial by the two hotels.

What is being built at Portland and memorial by the two hotels.

3-story Memorial Park Healthplex.

3-story Memorial Park Healthplex.

Surprised there hasn't been some sort of negative response to this. Usually developments on Memorial draw a negative connotation.

Surprised there hasn't been some sort of negative response to this. Usually developments on Memorial draw a negative connotation.

Oh just wait, it'll come. There are some on here who cannot be happy about anything. New bar, booo look at that, it doesnt fit the theme. New hotel, booo could have added residential. New restaurant, booo views suck, rinse and repeat.

Surprised there hasn't been some sort of negative response to this. Usually developments on Memorial draw a negative connotation.
Or anything nice that is built outside of downtown you’ll have people complaint that it isn’t downtown or should be downtown. It happens . Every. Single. Time.

Or anything nice that is built outside of downtown you’ll have people complaint that it isn’t downtown or should be downtown. It happens . Every. Single. Time.

Glad this is up on Memorial. Should fit well with the rest of the big parking lot businesses up there.

Glad this is up on Memorial. Should fit well with the rest of the big parking lot businesses up there.
I’m sure the people living up there will appreciate it very much as well.

I’m sure the people living up there will appreciate it very much as well.

I'm still mad that Pappadeauxs didn't follow through with a new location there a few years back.

I'm still mad that Pappadeauxs didn't follow through with a new location there a few years back.
Don’t even get me started on that. I’m pretty sure I could’ve contributed a couple percentage points to their monthly income lol

Don’t even get me started on that. I’m pretty sure I could’ve contributed a couple percentage points to their monthly income lol
We most definitely would have contributed.

I wonder if OKC would even support a Pappadeaux's? They are somewhat pricey and would wonder if OKC would fork out the money to eat there? Even the Drake did not make it in OKC. I wonder why? They even had to close down a couple of months to revamp their menu and go "cheaper" with more emphasis on fried foods. There just is not a lot of disposable income for higher end restaurants and retail.

I wonder if OKC would even support a Pappadeaux's? They are somewhat pricey and would wonder if OKC would fork out the money to eat there? Even the Drake did not make it in OKC. I wonder why? They even had to close down a couple of months to revamp their menu and go "cheaper" with more emphasis on fried foods. There just is not a lot of disposable income for higher end restaurants and retail.

Wait, are you saying fried food isn't associated with pappadeaux?

Was The Drake doing bad before the pandemic?

Was The Drake doing bad before the pandemic?

And are they actually closed for good (as progressiveboy implies) or are they just closed temporarily due to the pandemic?

And are they actually closed for good (as progressiveboy implies) or are they just closed temporarily due to the pandemic?

No decision has been made.

And are they actually closed for good (as progressiveboy implies) or are they just closed temporarily due to the pandemic?
I just always thought The Drake was doing pretty good before COVID. I always saw people there and the times I was there it was packed. I’ve been waiting for a reopen date to go there.

was just in OKC and Drake looked good to me (not open but still had everything in place to reopen).

OKC can support Papa but honestly - I'd rather OKC had a couple of BoneFish Grill (https://www.bonefishgrill.com/) restaurants for "national" seafood options instead, which are far more superior than Papa's.