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Plutonic Panda
03-26-2014, 01:36 PM
DAAAAAAMN!!!! This will be a game changer for the area!

Richard at Remax
03-26-2014, 01:50 PM
I live fairly close to here and im am all in on this. Going to be a game changer. Hopefully it turns out just as good as the market street area in the woodlands.

and in 3,2,1...."but look at all that Parking!!! rabble rabble rabble......"

Plutonic Panda
03-26-2014, 01:56 PM
Some awesome renderings!

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31.0-8/1836636_10202569066940423_1377249880_o.jpg

This particular facility is planned to provide seating for over 2,000 people for entertainment purposes. This will attract artists from around the world that Oklahoma City currently does not have a venue to sustain. The music and entertainment venue will also host a soundstage, production and studio offices, and a mill shop/warehouse.

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t31.0-8/1836828_10202569066300407_1259644876_o.jpg

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RETAIL
Chisholm Creek’s location, combined with a dynamic mixed-use environment will make it the premier destination for shopping, dining, and entertainment; as well as provide top quality office space and luxury residential living. The retail section of Chisholm Creek will include various restaurants, small shop and high-end retailers, a farmers market, and a food truck court intertwined with walking trails that continue throughout the 180 acres and 80 acre park. Bridges crossing over creeks and streets will help to create the pedestrian friendly environment.

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https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31.0-8/1900198_10202569066380409_1636122749_o.jpg

OFFICE PARK
Chisholm Creek office park will consist of several multi-story office buildings as office with retail and residential below. This Class A office space will be surrounded by a work, live, play environment.

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Chisholm Creek will host an eight-story, 300 room, full-service hotel with 50,000 square feet of event space right in the heart of City.

gopokes88
03-26-2014, 02:27 PM
Wow. Looks amazing. It reminds me a lot of West 7th in Fort Worth.

Plutonic Panda
03-26-2014, 02:29 PM
My oooooooonllllly complaint is the lack of structured parking.. :(

Seems structured parking rather than surface lots would've been better for this development. It could still happen though.

bchris02
03-26-2014, 02:34 PM
Wow. If this is built as shown here it will be a real game changer for OKC and the area's first real lifestyle center.

That said, remember the original "lifestyle center" proposals for developments like Belle Isle, Tuscana, Classen Curve, Quail Springs Village, Riverwalk Plaza, etc, etc, etc compared to what was actually built. I am not trying to be negative, but I have a hard time getting my hopes up until ground is actually broken. Maybe we will finally get it right this time. I hope so.

warreng88
03-26-2014, 02:38 PM
My oooooooonllllly complaint is the lack of structured parking.. :(

Seems structured parking rather than surface lots would've been better for this development. It could still happen though.

I could see that happening a little further down the roads. Keep in mind these people are spending millions on the dirt, then millions more for the infrastructure (roads, water, sewage, etc) before they can even make a dime off selling the land. I know TopGolf just bought an area in that but I would assume there would be stipulations that the Chisholm Creek people don't get paid until the infrastructure is in place. Maybe once they get TopGolf, Cabela's and Costco in, they can do some structured parking to alleviate the issue. Are these people building the office space, the hotel and event venue or are other parties?

metro
03-26-2014, 02:51 PM
I sent Pete some pics of the progress last week, hopefully he'll get a chance to post soon. St. Anthony's North on the corner is really coming along. Lots of other dirt moving in Chisolm Creek for site prep though.

urbanCOWBOY
03-26-2014, 04:57 PM
This is very cool! I now have another reason to travel up north. I hope that they have some good tenants lined up!

Also, now we can change the name of this development to "Chisholm Creek." There is something about the word explosion that disturbs me.

LuccaBrasi
03-26-2014, 05:21 PM
Those sketches are purely pie-in-the-sky conceptual renderings have nothing do to with signed contracts or specific designs. These are typical character sketches that the developer has the architect create for their marketing package, it's standard practice, so don't too tied up into these pro or con.

bchris02
03-26-2014, 05:32 PM
Those sketches are purely pie-in-the-sky conceptual renderings have nothing do to with signed contracts or specific designs. These are typical character sketches that the developer has the architect create for their marketing package, it's standard practice, so don't too tied up into these pro or con.

Agree.

amaesquire
03-27-2014, 08:08 AM
Another good example of what I consider a good mixed use development is the Tivoli Village in Las Vegas. Here: Tivoli Village (http://www.tivolivillagelv.com/)

And an image:

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G.Walker
04-05-2014, 10:34 AM
Chisholm Creek PUD approved | The Journal Record (http://journalrecord.com/2014/04/04/up-vote-for-the-creek-planning-commission-approves-156-acre-development-real-estate/)

Soonerman
04-05-2014, 11:25 AM
So how likely is it for Costco to come to OKC?

Dustin
04-05-2014, 11:34 AM
Chisholm Creek PUD approved | The Journal Record (http://journalrecord.com/2014/04/04/up-vote-for-the-creek-planning-commission-approves-156-acre-development-real-estate/)

Please post the full article.

Pete
04-05-2014, 12:25 PM
^

The article doesn't really tell us anything new.

A PUD is just a conceptual plan with a wide array of possible uses.

However, getting this passed moves this project forward and I suspecgt we will soon hear of some tenant deals -- a Cabela's announcement should be coming.

bchris02
04-05-2014, 08:12 PM
So how likely is it for Costco to come to OKC?

Costco will come to OKC. Question is where and when.

Mississippi Blues
04-05-2014, 08:47 PM
Costco will come to OKC. Question is where and when.

Pretty much.

Plutonic Panda
04-07-2014, 04:48 PM
Please post the full article.I signed up just to see the article and it seems they have really good stories, so I'll see. Anyways, I'm glad to know this is legit. I trusted Pete originally as I always do, I haven't seen him to be wrong yet and if something falls through, he'll be the first to say, but this article even adds to the excitement. Thanks again, Pete, for being the first to report this!

Here is the article:


OKLAHOMA CITY – Plans for a 156-acre mixed-use development called Chisholm Creek in the northwest corridor of the city have advanced.
The Oklahoma City Planning Commission on March 27 approved an application for the site at W. Memorial Road. With an entrance from N. Pennsylvania Avenue, the development stretches from Memorial near the John Kilpatrick Turnpike to NW 122nd Street, and from N. Pennsylvania to N. Western avenues.

The development is a partnership of Medallion Management of Oklahoma City; Retail Endeavors Group of Austin, Texas; and The Blue Ridge Fund of Los Angeles.
Whitney Ward, with Oklahoma City-based Whitco Consulting Group, said in an email to The Journal Record that all parties were pleased that the commission approved the planned unit development application.

According to the application with the Planning Commission, Chisholm Creek will offer retail, office, restaurant, and entertainment venues.

“Chisholm Creek will be a transformative lifestyle development for Oklahoma City featuring several one-of-a-kind retail, medical, office, entertainment and restaurant selections, along with several outdoor-friendly amenities,” Ward wrote. “We are enthused about the response to our plans from both national and regional tenants, retailers and restaurateurs seeking just the right development to enter our booming market. We are making steady progress working through the process and look forward with high anticipation to revealing more specifics of our development in the near future.”

Kurt Foreman, executive vice president of economic development for the Greater Oklahoma City Chamber, said the scale and scope of the project are good signs for the market.

“It’s a significant development in terms of sign and scope,” he said. “The kind of mixed-use things that they’re putting up is not the plain vanilla, ‘Let’s build one building and see what happens next.’ I think it’s a positive thing for the region. It’s a great concept for our market. I would expect that kind of development to attract new things to our market.”

He said the new businesses could be retail-oriented or companies looking for office space.

According to the Planning Commission application, the development will offer customers a variety of places to shop, eat, or even move to the area.

“More than just another shopping experience, the venue would provide a place to live, with a diverse mix of residence options, local, quality employment options that would be reached without the use of a car and entertainment options and public gathering places that provide a place to unwind or to simply meet and converse with your neighbors,” according to the Planning Commission application.

The application includes 45 different permitted use units, ranging from administrative and professional offices to eating establishments with alcohol sales.

bchris02
04-07-2014, 10:33 PM
Thanks, PluPan, for posting this.

My hope is that this doesn't turn into another Tuscana.

Proposed:

http://rcldevelopment.com/images/quail_springs/quail_springs_3.jpg

Built:

http://i.oodleimg.com/item/3545731112u_3x424x360f_apartments_for_rent_in_okla homa_city_ok/?1395491415

We should be fine as long as this thing gets off the ground before the economy hits another bump. Any idea when construction is supposed to begin?

PhiAlpha
04-07-2014, 11:02 PM
Thanks, PluPan, for posting this.

My hope is that this doesn't turn into another Tuscana.

Proposed:

http://rcldevelopment.com/images/quail_springs/quail_springs_3.jpg

Built:

http://i.oodleimg.com/item/3545731112u_3x424x360f_apartments_for_rent_in_okla homa_city_ok/?1395491415

We should be fine as long as this thing gets off the ground before the economy hits another bump. Any idea when construction is supposed to begin?

We know, we know...you don't need to remind us every time an article is posted referring to this development.


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moose
04-08-2014, 05:04 PM
Chisholm Creek now has a very active twitter: @ChisholmCreek.

Today they tweeted a pic saying they were "Finalizing site plans!" Would that mean they have all/most tenants at least under verbals?

https://twitter.com/ChisholmCreek/status/453646580076138496/photo/1/large

Pete
04-08-2014, 05:19 PM
I expect them to announce additional retailers very soon, perhaps Cabela's first.

jn1780
04-08-2014, 06:17 PM
Chisholm Creek now has a very active twitter: @ChisholmCreek.

Today they tweeted a pic saying they were "Finalizing site plans!" Would that mean they have all/most tenants at least under verbals?

https://twitter.com/ChisholmCreek/status/453646580076138496/photo/1/large

They say on April 4 that the roads should be starting soon.

metro
04-08-2014, 07:44 PM
Chisholm Creek now has a very active twitter: @ChisholmCreek.

Today they tweeted a pic saying they were "Finalizing site plans!" Would that mean they have all/most tenants at least under verbals?

https://twitter.com/ChisholmCreek/status/453646580076138496/photo/1/large

This. They also said on Facebook the other day that soil testing was under way on the Top Golf site.

Dustin
04-08-2014, 07:57 PM
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traxx
04-09-2014, 09:44 AM
My hope is that if this is built as planned, that it'll become the standard for future developments in the greater OKC metro. I hope that more developments will begin to copy the plan of mixed use, lifestyle with their own style and twist on it. This needs to be the standard instead of plopping down one anchor with a huge parking lot and later putting a Wendy's in the parking lot and then a small strip in the parking lot with a payday loans and nail salon. And then plopping another anchor next to it but none of it's incorporated with the any other part so that you have to drive from one establishment to the other even though they're only 100 yards apart.

Mississippi Blues
04-09-2014, 09:48 AM
My hope is that if this is built as planned, that it'll become the standard for future developments in the greater OKC metro. I hope that more developments will begin to copy the plan of mixed use, lifestyle with their own style and twist on it. This needs to be the standard instead of plopping down one anchor with a huge parking lot and later putting a Wendy's in the parking lot and then a small strip in the parking lot with a payday loans and nail salon. And then plopping another anchor next to it but none of it's incorporated with the any other part so that you have to drive from one establishment to the other even though they're only 100 yards apart.

I second this.

bchris02
04-09-2014, 10:01 AM
My hope is that if this is built as planned, that it'll become the standard for future developments in the greater OKC metro. I hope that more developments will begin to copy the plan of mixed use, lifestyle with their own style and twist on it. This needs to be the standard instead of plopping down one anchor with a huge parking lot and later putting a Wendy's in the parking lot and then a small strip in the parking lot with a payday loans and nail salon. And then plopping another anchor next to it but none of it's incorporated with the any other part so that you have to drive from one establishment to the other even though they're only 100 yards apart.

+1

It's really time for OKC to stop building shopping centers like its the 1980s and join the 21st century. Me and a friend were talking about the Spring Creek shopping center in Edmond and how nice it is for OKC, but how in most other cities it represents the middle of the road standard. I am keeping my fingers crossed that Chislolm Creek will set a new standard for retail development here.

Mississippi Blues
04-09-2014, 10:23 AM
It's really time for OKC to stop building shopping centers like its the 1980s and join the 21st century. Me and a friend were talking about the Spring Creek shopping center in Edmond and how nice it is for OKC, but how in most other cities it represents the middle of the road standard. I am keeping my fingers crossed that Chislolm Creek will set a new standard for retail development here.

Yep. Spending so much time in cities like Atlanta where the nicer parts of town have really classy and aesthetically pleasing design / architecture really does create an animosity towards OKC in the "development" regard.

The "Buckhead Atlanta" development (located in, you guessed it, the Buckhead area of Atlanta) is a development I would kill for Oklahoma City to get.

corwin1968
04-10-2014, 01:16 PM
Don't know if it's been posted yet but I pulled this map from their website. Pretty different in the area where Cabela's and Costco were originally thought to be.

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Plutonic Panda
04-10-2014, 01:17 PM
This will be an awesome development it seems like. Hopefully it goes as planned!

bchris02
04-18-2014, 01:38 PM
Brett 11:43 a.m. Hi Steve. Has Costco Wholesale shown any interest in coming to Oklahoma City?
Steve Lackmeyer 11:44 a.m. Yes, but there is no deal done yet for any sites in Oklahoma City. At least not as of my last check on the matter.

With Steve's consistency since this story broke last fall combined with recent renderings that no longer show a big box where the Costco was supposed to be, I think its safe to assume it is no longer associated with this development.

Pete
04-18-2014, 01:40 PM
With Steve's consistency since this story broke last fall combined with recent renderings that no longer show a big box where the Costco was supposed to be, I think its safe to assume it is no longer associated with this development.

No, that is not a safe assumption.

bchris02
04-18-2014, 01:42 PM
No, that is not a safe assumption.

Do you still believe a deal is in the works for Costco at Chisolm Creek?

catch22
04-18-2014, 01:44 PM
No, that is not a safe assumption.

:)

PhiAlpha
04-18-2014, 01:59 PM
With Steve's consistency since this story broke last fall combined with recent renderings that no longer show a big box where the Costco was supposed to be, I think its safe to assume it is no longer associated with this development.

According to you it's generally safe to assume the most negative option in any scenario anytime we receive new information about any development here.

Since Tulsa gets everything first, it's probably safe to assume that this whole development will move up the turnpike.

bchris02
04-18-2014, 02:24 PM
According to you it's generally safe to assume the most negative option in any scenario anytime we receive new information about any development here.

Steve had said since the beginning that Costco wasn't going into Chisolm Creek. Personally I think they will end up somewhere in the OKC metro sometime in the next five years, but there has been doubt on it being a sure thing at Chisolm Creek from day one. Every new bit of info we get seems to confirm that.


Since Tulsa gets everything first, it's probably safe to assume that this whole development will move up the turnpike.

Tulsa doesn't need this development. The question is whether or not Chisolm Creek meet or exceed the standard of existing retail developments already in Tulsa. If developed to its potential then it should.

Pete
04-18-2014, 02:30 PM
Steve had said since the beginning that Costco wasn't going into Chisolm Creek. Personally I think they will end up somewhere in the OKC metro sometime in the next five years, but there has been doubt on it being a sure thing at Chisolm Creek from day one. Every new bit of info we get seems to confirm that.

We've gone over this many times.

Stop asking questions if you don't believe my answers.

jn1780
04-18-2014, 03:06 PM
With Steve's consistency since this story broke last fall combined with recent renderings that no longer show a big box where the Costco was supposed to be, I think its safe to assume it is no longer associated with this development.

Just because they have drawings of buildings doesn't mean their going to be built in that exact configuration. Their still working on finding tenents for most of this development. The only thing we can assume is that the roads will be built as shown, the center lake lake most likely, Topgolf, and the Saint Anthony health complex.

warreng88
04-18-2014, 03:18 PM
Just because they have drawings of buildings doesn't mean their going to be built in that exact configuration. Their still working on finding tenents for most of this development. The only thing we can assume is that the roads will be built as shown, the center lake lake most likely, Topgolf, and the Saint Anthony health complex.

Yeah, I find it hard to believe that if they could close a deal with Costco they couldn't move a few buildings around to make room.

Pete
04-18-2014, 03:25 PM
They've changed those plans many times.

They even changed the location of TopGolf AFTER the deal was signed and announced.

There is a ton of property in this development and the only things that seem set in stone are the main roads, the healthplex and probably now, TopGolf.


We should be hearing something official on Cabela's soon. Costco is in no hurry as they wouldn't be looking to open until next year anyway.

warreng88
04-23-2014, 04:09 PM
Saw this youtube video today for Chisholm Creek. It looks like it was all shot in DD and not sure what it has to do with the development:

Chisholm Creek: Coming soon! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yEgdgbNpts)

Plutonic Panda
04-23-2014, 04:28 PM
That's interesting. You would think it would be a rendering.

Pete
04-23-2014, 04:36 PM
I saw on an Economic Development Trust report that they are assisting the Chisholm Creek developers in promoting to big retailers.

They have also added partners from Austin, including the primary broker.

This could turn out to be pretty significant but it all depends on landing some big anchors.

SoonerFP
04-23-2014, 07:34 PM
Checked out their website, chisholmcreek.com, and they posted a couple of renderings, the YouTube video, and some copy talking up the Mixed-Use aspect of the development. Agree that the anchors are gonna make or break this. Having something completely new to OKC like Cabela's or Costco is essential in setting this development apart and allowing it to develop like I'd like to see. Of course Top Golf is already a great get for them and they know it as they name drop it in the propaganda on their website.


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Plutonic Panda
04-23-2014, 09:16 PM
Very nice!

http://chisholmcreek.com/theme/images/tmp/preview-3-big.jpg

http://chisholmcreek.com/theme/images/tmp/preview-4-big.jpg

here is their FB page with lots of updates: https://www.facebook.com/ChisholmCreek

bchris02
04-23-2014, 09:34 PM
Like

This development looks very "big city" and is very ambitious by the standards of this area. It will be a huge catch for OKC if it happens as pictured here.

jn1780
04-23-2014, 09:42 PM
Saw this youtube video today for Chisholm Creek. It looks like it was all shot in DD and not sure what it has to do with the development:

Chisholm Creek: Coming soon! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yEgdgbNpts)

Hopefully Chisholm Creek is more successful than that guy's ability to get the girls phone number. lol

AP
04-23-2014, 10:46 PM
Saw this youtube video today for Chisholm Creek. It looks like it was all shot in DD and not sure what it has to do with the development:

Chisholm Creek: Coming soon! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yEgdgbNpts)

Ha, how weird. They are building a mixed use development on the edge of town and filmed their commercial in Deep Deuce.

OKCisOK4me
04-23-2014, 11:03 PM
That video waaaaaas......nevermind. Thought I was watching American Pie in OKC.


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onthestrip
04-24-2014, 09:28 AM
Ha, how weird. They are building a mixed use development on the edge of town and filmed their commercial in Deep Deuce.

I thought the same, a little bit of a head scratcher.

However, his will attract a big anchor and then everything will come after that. Look for a cabelas or something similar, I wouldn't expect a costco at this development. And this is such a large piece of ground that this will be a long term development. Basically, don't expect some huge mixed use center to sprout up overnight.

moose
04-24-2014, 10:45 AM
So, related to Memorial Rd, this morning I saw a new clearing in front of Lowe's. I haven't seen a thread on this. Anybody know what this is?

Pete
04-24-2014, 11:19 AM
So, related to Memorial Rd, this morning I saw a new clearing in front of Lowe's. I haven't seen a thread on this. Anybody know what this is?

Vitamin Shoppe. There will be another free-standing building just east but no building permit as of yet:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/vitamin.jpg

coov23
04-24-2014, 04:54 PM
Pretty stoked about the Vitamin Shoppe. Was a regular there during my days living in Philly.

Pete
04-24-2014, 05:02 PM
I didn't realize until I just looked this up that this will be their first location in OKC.

catch22
04-24-2014, 05:08 PM
I didn't realize until I just looked this up that this will be their first location in OKC.

Are you sure they haven't already built their regional headquarters in Tulsa?

bchris02
04-24-2014, 06:26 PM
The Vitamin Shoppe is very common in small towns and cities alike all across the Southeast. This is no big catch at all and shouldn't be used to make a point against the claim that Tulsa has better retail or gets stores first.

When OKC gets a store like Costco, REI, Crate & Barrel/Container Store, Nordstrom, IKEA, or some other big-name coveted brand before Tulsa then I will admit I was wrong.

Pete
04-24-2014, 06:33 PM
When OKC gets a store like Costco, REI, Nordstrom, IKEA, or some other big-name coveted brand before Tulsa then I will admit I was wrong.

Why doesn't Von Maur count? Will be by far the nicest department store in the state, very close to a Nordstrom. And seemingly no plans to go to Tulsa.


And what about Cabela's, Ruth's Chris and Trader Joe's? I suppose those don't count because we are actually very likely to get them.

bchris02
04-24-2014, 06:37 PM
Why doesn't Von Maur count? Will be by far the nicest department store in the state, very close to a Nordstrom. And seemingly no plans to go to Tulsa.


And what about Cabela's, Ruth's Chris and Trader Joe's? I suppose those don't count because we are actually very likely to get them.

Trader Joe's counts without a doubt. This is a HUGE deal that OKC is getting this first (hopefully).

Ruth's Chris counts as well even though I personally am not that excited because OKC has so many awesome local steakhouses. I would be much more excited about a Pappadeaux, which Tulsa is getting.

How does Von Maur compare to Saks? I have never been in a Von Maur but from what I know, I see OKC as finally catching up to Tulsa in that we will finally have an upscale department store on this side of the turnpike. Great catch for OKC but Tulsa has had Saks for almost a decade.