I think this is all pretty similar to the agreements here in L.A.

The only part a little unclear is the "company licensed by the city" and "vehicles be inspected for safety by the city".

They require safety inspections out here but it's done through a clearing house, not directly with a particular city. You basically take your care to be inspected at Uber contractor and all that info is then put in a database. Makes particular sense because this isn't a City issue; Uber drivers cross in and out of all types of municipalities.

Sounds like these are things Uber already has in place, but now the city wants to put their hands on it, too.

Hope this doesn't run them away like you said.


Traditional cab companies need to just die. They are like the cable companies of transportation.

Funny the cab companies want Uber & Lyft to be treated just like them, but at the same time want a specific prohibition on "hailed rides".

Sounds like these are things Uber already has in place, but now the city wants to put their hands on it, too.

Hope this doesn't run them away like you said.


Traditional cab companies need to just die. They are like the cable companies of transportation.

The lady from Yellow Cab was at the Commission meeting and in tears that she believes she is being unfairly treated and not able to compete. she claims she can do everything that Uber can do if the city would let her. she also stated that towns like Austin have ran UBER out of their cities and to look to those cities.... which made me think immediately.. ummm its impossible to get a cab in Austin and I am always sad that Uber isn't an option there.

I ask this sincerely: is there a regulatory reason why a local cab company couldn't develop a competing system?

I ask this sincerely: is there a regulatory reason why a local cab company couldn't develop a competing system?

while watching that yesterday I wondered the same. I admittedly don't know that much about the cab regulations but from the sounds of it they are required to discolose pricing to the city as so they can't price gouge.. which is one of the complaints they ahve about UBER is that they can change rates but of course the consumer sees the rate before they request the car.

but if they can't simply develop a competing system.. why not just re-organize yourself into a "Platform" business model rather than a cab company.

^

I don't think there is anything stopping the cab companies from competing outright except they don't have the software or know-how to make it happen. Of course, a bright entrepreneur would be developing software they could license. I'm sure that is already happening.

But the real truth is that they'll never be able to compete for the same reason people leave cable companies: Once you've screwed over your customer base with monopolistic tactics and horrible service they will flee to anyone else at the earliest opportunity. It's like throwing the doors open to a jail then expecting prisoners to stay on their own free will.

Cab companies don't want to compete heads-up because they know it will be the end for them. Of course, the end is coming anyway. They are just stalling for time.

The lady from yellow cab said she has an app that is coming online later this week ( which I doubt )
but an app alone to hail a cab is not going to change things.. because as you said once you've screwed over your customer base and have for years provided sub-par service without apology then nobody cares that you have an app.

I ask this sincerely: is there a regulatory reason why a local cab company couldn't develop a competing system?

UberTAXI all ready exist. All the local cab company has to do is sign up with it.

Oklahoma City traffic commission approves regulating app-based ride services | News OK (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-traffic-commission-approves-regulating-app-based-ride-services/article/5011736)


The regulations would require that:

Vehicles providing app-based services be inspected for safety by the city.

The vehicles display “trade dress” for identification purposes, similar to the way a taxi has distinctive colors.

The city receive proof of insurance that meets liability requirements.

Drivers undergo background checks at least as stringent as the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation checks for taxi and limo drivers.

Companies and their drivers provide only app-based services; “street hails” — when a customer flags down a cab — would be forbidden.

Companies be licensed annually by the city; drivers would be required to get an annual permit.

That seems reasonable and I hope they let Uber pick up at the airport as part of the deal. I will say that the "street hail" being forbidden doesn't even make sense. It is impossible to hail an Uber ride from the street. You might could hail a random stranger who happens to be an Uber driver, but you have to request the ride through the app. That is how the Uber driver gets paid.

Flywheel also exists. Thunder Cab now uses it. From a user standpoint it is incredibly similar to UberX, but you get a cab instead of a private car and you pay more. Also, the tip is elective and filled out at the end of the trip, while UberX allows you to set up a standard tip in your settings and doesn't prompt you for a tip at the end.

You can't tip UberX drivers through the app. I run into this all the time. If you want to tip an UberX drive you have to do it with cash. The tip you setup in the app is only for Taxi drivers, not UberX drivers.

If you think you have been tipping you driver, you haven't been.

Hmm. Well, too bad for them I guess. They seemed happy enough with 5 stars, so I guess I will keep doing that.

Nevertheless, Flywheel is a pretty close approximation of Uber for Taxi cabs. Between those two I have never had a problem getting around, though I prefer Uber for price reasons. I tried Lyft once, but couldn't find a ride despite repeated attempts, until I finally got a response from a guy on the far south side and something like 25 minutes away, which I immediately cancelled.

I don't know why some of the good drivers don't just switch to Uber or Lyft?

If you're a waiter, and the restaurant is crap, and across the street you can take your knowledge and make 3x more and your customers would love you, why wouldn't you?

Then again, I'm not sure how many of the cab drivers are good. I've never had a great experience in a cab, and have yet to try Uber so I can't make an informed comparison.

Last year in Los Angeles, Urban Pioneer and I shared a cab to the Amtrak station, and the cabbie drove 3-4 miles in the wrong direction before we caught on and told him to go the other way. He argued with us for a bit, and was intent that we were wrong. we were watching the GPS on our phones and knew we were going the wrong direction. We finally convinced him to turn around, and we got to the train station and sprinted to our train with the doors shutting behind us. Poor service.

In Santa Monica, a cabbie told me to "F off" after I got out of the cab. It was a short 2.5 mile ride, and I even gave him a 50% tip to make up for the short trip and late hour it was.

I think they realize they can't compete on service; it's unfortunate they cry to the government instead of competing with better service and friendlier people.

As Uber arrives, Oklahoma City Council being asked ?level the playing field? | NewsOK.com (http://m.newsok.com/as-uber-arrives-oklahoma-city-council-being-asked-level-the-playing-field/article/5141550)

Here is what Uber, Lyft and any future market entrants would face if the council approves proposed regulations: an annual fee ($302), mandatory driver permits and car inspections, commercial auto liability coverage (in addition to the driver’s personal coverage), record-keeping and rate-posting requirements and background checks.

I think this will have a negative impact on the service (as far as service coverage/availability).... Not that there still won't be the usual herd of Uber cars on weekend nights in the Bricktown, Midtown, Hefner restaurant and 122nd and Penn areas - but I do think it will be discouraging enough that there will continue to be a severe lack of Uber/Lyft presence in other areas of OKC, Edmond, Moore, etc.

Its already pretty difficult to get an Uber car on a typical weekday morning - Tried to get one the other morning when I needed to go to the airport and was notified that no driver's were available. This has happened to me at least two other times.

In reality, an Uber driver can cover the $302 annual fee in two days of work and most likely the add'l permits and increase to insurance within a week's worth of work.

As a possible positive... the requirements will probably weed out the 'casual driver', leaving the more dedicated and hopefully more competent and professional.

Question: Being that its OKC City Council taking this up, does that mean drivers could be facing separate requirements in each city - say Edmond, Moore, Norman, etc. should those cities decide to address the issue?

Here is the most fraudulent statement in the whole article.


But the regs are defended largely based on consumer protection and liability concerns.

There is nothing in any of these new requirements that protect the consumer in any way. The reality is that the taxi industry has 'voluntarily' imposed a number of archaic and outdated regulations, not because they want to protect the consumer, but because they wanted to create a barrier to entry for any competition.

So having said that, let's look at each requirement:

An annual fee ($302): This fee is to Uber for doing business in OKC. The drivers don't pay this - Uber does and it is an annual fee. They can afford it.

Mandatory driver permits and car inspections: My understanding from a previous article is that this will be $20, and if I know Uber (and I do), they will pay this fee for the driver. Hell, they gave me an iPhone. As for the car inspection, the car has to registered to even drive for Uber so what additional stuff is there to inspect?

commercial auto liability coverage: Uber already provides commercial auto liability coverage from the moment a ride request is accepted to the time when the customer gets out of the car. And for those taxi drivers out there who seem so concerned about it, it is a $1,000,000 per incident policy (probably better than what they carry themselves).

Record keeping and rate posting requirements: Already all done through the app and the web dashboard. Both the rider and driver can see every trip they ever took, the route taken, how long it took, what it cost, and what the driver and passenger rating were. If you want to see a ****-storm, making the taxi companies track and provide that level of information - you know, just to level the playing field and improve safety.

Background checks: Already done and the drivers are rated by the customer after every single ride. Not to toot my own horn, but after 4 months I have a 4.94 out of 5.

Since I don't drive for Lyft I don't know if what I said about Uber is correct for them but I suspect it is. I also expect Uber is going to agree with these requirements because they also want to protect their turf. Believe it or not, there are rogue Uber drivers who give out their personal contact information so that they can give rides 'off the clock', meaning the person agrees to pay them cash for future rides instead of requesting it through the app. When they do that none of the insurance protections kick in. Of course, that really has nothing to do with Uber because anyone can do that right now, but Uber does provide initial contact to the potential customer bases for that activity.

Great take on it JTF - and that's for clarifying for me who would be paying what!

Does Uber collect $10/month from you for their iPhone? That was supposed to start in July.

Believe it or not, there are rogue Uber drivers who give out their personal contact information so that they can give rides 'off the clock', meaning the person agrees to pay them cash for future rides instead of requesting it through the app. When they do that none of the insurance protections kick in. Of course, that really has nothing to do with Uber because anyone can do that right now, but Uber does provide initial contact to the potential customer bases for that activity.

Guilty. Got an Uber driver's number a few months ago and it ended being extremely useful. Needed an airport ride emergently, airport express was booked up all day. Didn't want to play the cab game, not with the bad weather we were having. Called up the Uber driver, we arranged for him to pick me up. He went 'on the clock' and I requested the ride as soon as he got here so it was all on the record. Really saved my butt. So we gamed the system a little, but to both of our benefit. Definitely gave him a nice tip.

Guilty. Got an Uber driver's number a few months ago and it ended being extremely useful. Needed an airport ride emergently, airport express was booked up all day. Didn't want to play the cab game, not with the bad weather we were having. Called up the Uber driver, we arranged for him to pick me up. He went 'on the clock' and I requested the ride as soon as he got here so it was all on the record. Really saved my butt. So we gamed the system a little, but to both of our benefit. Definitely gave him a nice tip.

I have no problem with how you did it, but I personally know drivers who ask you to use the app to estimate the price and then take 20% off (uber's cut) and have you pay cash - cutting Uber out of the financial loop completely.

Great take on it JTF - and that's for clarifying for me who would be paying what!

Does Uber collect $10/month from you for their iPhone? That was supposed to start in July.

Uber doesn't charge UberX drivers for the phone. Maybe they do that for the UberBlack drivers who own their own business. If I remember correctly, Pete got charged that fee but he was also incorrectly setup as an UberBlack driver. On the other hand, Uber does charge a $1 pickup fee which shows up in the fare but the driver doesn't get so really their payment formula looks like this:

driver earnings = (Fare - $1) X .80

On a $5 minimum fare I get $3.20, but those trips are less than a few miles and only take a few minutes. A 45 minute trip to the airport will net me +$40.

It is really this simple for Uber, they don't create a barrier to entry for drivers. Their model is setup to spur demand by providing supply (and in many cases - oversupply by guaranteeing a minimum hourly rate). At this very moment I can hear the heads of the 'OKCTalk usual suspects' heads exploding by even insinuating that supply can drive demand. They rely on a driver's willingness to not participate to keep supply and demand in equilibrium, but they don't want to price drivers out. They even reimburse me the $1.50 I have to pay for picking people in the Jax Airport Parking garage since Gator Taxi has the monopoly on the curbside pickup - and why you might ask - because Uber wants me to pick people at the airport so they remove any possible barrier to that.

all very interesting info. I am hopefull it doesn't run Lyft or Uber out of town. and the fees don't seem too horrible. I watched the committee meeting when the cab companies were there as well and this was sent on up to Council. It seems to me that Cab companies could make themselves more competitive if they want to. and I know some have joined a TAXI app. but my experience with the TAXI apps has never been good. Never try to get a cab in Austin.. It just wont happen easily and they don't have UBER or LYFT.

Uber doesn't charge UberX drivers for the phone.

I was sent a copy of this email - which reads in part......

"Back in April, we messaged all drivers that we'd begin collecting a $10/weekly fee from drivers to cover mobile device subscription fees. We originally said that those fees would go into effect May 5, but they actually went into at the beginning of July."

All I can say is that they don't collect that fee from me.

Uber employees have been harassing Lyft drivers with thousands of fake calls. | Business | Happy Place (http://happyplace.someecards.com/business/uber-employees-have-been-harassing-lyft-drivers-with-thousands-of-fake-calls/)

Uber employees have been harassing Lyft drivers with thousands of fake calls. | Business | Happy Place (http://happyplace.someecards.com/business/uber-employees-have-been-harassing-lyft-drivers-with-thousands-of-fake-calls/)

That stinks. there is plenty of room for both.. I have taken a few rides on Lyft locally however that don't have the pink Moustache. I asked them why and they both said they stopped using it because Taxi drivers where egging their cars. SMH

Uber finally released destination entry in the rider app and turn-by-turn navigation in the driver app.

Putting Your Ride on Cruise Control | Uber Blog (http://blog.uber.com/cruise-control)

United Airlines has partnered with Uber, allowing hailing of Uber drivers from within the United app itself. Also some MileagePlus deals for doing so.

http://www.okctalk.com/transportation/35242-uber-coming-okc-18.html#post822241

Oklahoma City Council advances Uber, Lyft regulations after debate | News OK (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-council-advances-uber-lyft-regulations-after-debate/article/5336112)

Personally, I think a bit of regulation will be better for Uber and Lyft drivers. Might keep the very casual individual from signing up to drive.

Must have missed something - when did Uber get banned from picking up at the airport? That really sucks! Anyone want to pick me up Monday night? :-D

Unless I am wrong.. which is possible.. my understanding is they can't sit at airport Taxi stands.. but they can be called by you from the app.

Must have missed something - when did Uber get banned from picking up at the airport? That really sucks! Anyone want to pick me up Monday night? :-D

Why do you think they are banned from the airport?

Uber drivers don't typically wait at the airport in OKC, but they do loiter around the I-40/Meridian area and often get called to the Airport.

Even if they are banned from taxi waiting areas (which they are) there are plenty of other public spaces Uber and Lyft drivers can wait.

Must have missed something - when did Uber get banned from picking up at the airport? That really sucks! Anyone want to pick me up Monday night? :-DI'll pick you up. I do shuttles anyhow. Just strap in and don't mind the roll cage and double cross seat belt.

Nevermind - I thought I saw upstream that they got banned from airport pickups, but when I do a dummy search, it does appear to work (am in LA at the moment). Will confirm on Monday night!

It's fair to not allow them to use Taxi stands, as they likely do not pay the fees the airport charges the taxi companies for their use.

Can't have it both ways, just have them pick you up at the normal arrivals area like they are your best friend.

It's fair to not allow them to use Taxi stands, as they likely do not pay the fees the airport charges the taxi companies for their use.

Can't have it both ways, just have them pick you up at the normal arrivals area like they are your best friend.

Yup not an issue at all. I usually request a ride as soon as I can turn my phone on, and if I don't have any checked bags they usually get to the curb at the same time I do.

I recently signed up to become a Lyft driver. In comparing the two companies, I find that the Lyft brand is much more fun and community-oriented than Uber, which is rather dark and draconian. Some may not care for the pink mustaches, but it appeals to the Millenial sensibility and aesthetic. It will be interesting to see how differences in branding affect the overall ridesharing experience. [insert fist bump]

If folks like silly pitch so be it. If my 25 year old son flies in and I am not able to meet him, I don't think I'd hear the end of it if I had a car with a 'stache of any color waiting outside baggage for him.

The gbabies would probably love it but son in law would wonder what got into me.

I've used Uber several times now. Used Lyft once when I rode with someone else who called Lyft on her app. Everything else even about the two companies, I'm not going with the one who is going to show up with a pink mustache on the front of their car. I also don't want to be greeted with the fist pump or the canned speech they give to their drivers to spew to every customer about 'community.'

Lyft has offered me about $60 in free rides. I've yet to use a single dollar.

There is nothing 'dark and draconian' about Uber - that is simply Uber Nonsense.

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There is nothing 'dark and draconian' about Uber - that is simply Uber Nonsense.

This is Uber's playbook for sabotaging Lyft | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/26/6067663/this-is-ubers-playbook-for-sabotaging-lyft)

We've used Uber twice (back and forth to the Jeff Beck show at the Zoo), worked well, but not cool if they're doing this kind of stuff...

This is Uber's playbook for sabotaging Lyft | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/26/6067663/this-is-ubers-playbook-for-sabotaging-lyft)

We've used Uber twice (back and forth to the Jeff Beck show at the Zoo), worked well, but not cool if they're doing this kind of stuff...

The only thing tangible in that article was 'possibly' an Uber memo - which to me read perfectly fine; try and assesses the probability a Lyft driver might be persuaded to drive for Uber and if so try and recruit them.

That happens all the time with other companies.

As for hailing and canceling rides? No idea if that happens or not. I've heard the same accusations regarding Lyft and private cab companies.

Personally, you're not going to find many riders who give a flip about the rumors regarding what is or is not going on with the marketing of any of these platforms. They want a convenient way to go from A to B.

If people in large numbers really cared about how their product was marketed, produced, etc. then you'd never see American's buy another banana, cheap clothing, or even some electronics.

We can do the "aha, here's a link to prove my perspective" all day.....

Uber Claims Lyft Employees Canceled Nearly 13K Rides (http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/12/uber-lyft-slap-fight/)


https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140826/15201128326/recruiting-competitors-isnt-sabotage-overstating-uberlyft-fight.shtml

The only thing tangible in that article was 'possibly' an Uber memo - which to me read perfectly fine; try and assesses the probability a Lyft driver might be persuaded to drive for Uber and if so try and recruit them.

That happens all the time with other companies.

As for hailing and canceling rides? No idea if that happens or not. I've heard the same accusations regarding Lyft and private cab companies.

Personally, you're not going to find many riders who give a flip about the rumors regarding what is or is not going on with the marketing of any of these platforms. They want a convenient way to go from A to B.

If people in large numbers really cared about how their product was marketed, produced, etc. then you'd never see American's buy another banana, cheap clothing, or even some electronics.

We can do the "aha, here's a link to prove my perspective" all day.....

Uber Claims Lyft Employees Canceled Nearly 13K Rides (http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/12/uber-lyft-slap-fight/)


https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140826/15201128326/recruiting-competitors-isnt-sabotage-overstating-uberlyft-fight.shtml

Yeah, I figured that Uber, Lyft, other rideshare companies, and cab companies are all doing unsavory things with/to each other, that's just the way it is right now, the article about Uber was just the first one I saw a while back. I try to buy products and services from companies that aren't scum (or do scummy things) of some sort or another, but it's increasingly hard.

We'll probably still use Uber again in the future, it was pretty handy...

My thoughts on Uber vs Lyft are based on my own brand preferences. I was simply stating my aesthetic opinion and what has resonated with me. The quality of the services will ultimate speak for itself. Right now both companies are being forced to come together to save the rideshare business model from municipal overkill. It would behoove us to work together a little bit.

Saw this recently...its not here yet, but a third entrant can't be bad...bring on the price wars!
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Gett brings $10 flat-rate rides to Manhattan

The already heated ride-sharing war, led by Uber’s Travis Kalanick, is about to get even more intense — thanks to newcomer Gett.

Ride-sharing startup Gett, which is backed by billionaire Len Blavatnik, only launched in NYC last year and already it is looking to kick up the competition with $10 rides in Manhattan.

A Gett ride in Manhattan — even at peak times — will cost $10 starting Thursday and lasting through the year, company officials told The Post.

For Gett, it’s an opportunity to steal its rivals’ customers, especially the fast-growing Uber. Gett seeks to differentiate itself from Uber, which has been blasted for its “surge” pricing, by boasting flat rates no matter the time of day or the weather.

Gett brings $10 flat-rate rides to Manhattan | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2014/09/04/gett-ride-sharing-launches-in-manhattan/)

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its starting to look like a race to the bottom for pricing, which ultimately is good for users, since car service is pretty much commoditized.

My thoughts on Uber vs Lyft are based on my own brand preferences. I was simply stating my aesthetic opinion and what has resonated with me. The quality of the services will ultimate speak for itself. Right now both companies are being forced to come together to save the rideshare business model from municipal overkill. It would behoove us to work together a little bit.

"It would behoove us to work together a little bit." ---- that's an odd followup to, "...Uber, which is rather dark and draconian..." (with literally zero evidence provided to back that statement up).

FYI - Many drivers actually drive for both companies (regardless of Uber's/Lyft's preference/insistence that they don't).

My aesthetic preference is pretty much limited to a company that provides enough drivers that the service can be counted on, the vehicles are newer and clean, the driver is professional and friendly and the price is fair.

I personally find the fist pumps and canned speeches a turn-off. Not that the original idea wasn't okay. But once you realize the drivers are told to do this, it loses any personality whatsoever. Sort of like when chain restaurants force their employees to always greet customers with the exact same phrase or force all the counter help to yell out "Hello, welcome to ________" every time someone walks in the door. I prefer a more genuine and 'real' experience with employees and a company.

... Sort of like when chain restaurants force their employees to always greet customers with the exact same phrase or force all the counter help to yell out "Hello, welcome to ________" every time someone walks in the door. I prefer a more genuine and 'real' experience with employees and a company.

This, a thousand times this. The absolute worst example I can think of was the one time I went to Campus Corner with friends to a place called Moe's. They were required to not just say, but holler out, Welcome to Moe's whenever someone entered. Worse still, this was not a duty assigned to just a single greeter, but a cluster bleep chain effect. Apparently, it was mandatory that every employee join in, in turn, whenever the call went up. As they were busy, it would restart before a prior round of bellowed welcomes would finish. Ugh.

If someone is taking both Lyft and Uber calls on the same night, does the 'stache attach with velcro?

This, a thousand times this. The absolute worst example I can think of was the one time I went to Campus Corner with friends to a place called Moe's. They were required to not just say, but holler out, Welcome to Moe's whenever someone entered. Worse still, this was not a duty assigned to just a single greeter, but a cluster bleep chain effect. Apparently, it was mandatory that every employee join in, in turn, whenever the call went up. As they were busy, it would restart before a prior round of bellowed welcomes would finish. Ugh.

That, a thousand times, too! Walgreens, at the drive-through pharmacy: "Welcome to Walgreens. How can I help you be well?" And when you are about to drive away: "Be well." Give me a break. It's so completely awful and I feel terrible that the employees are forced to say it.

If someone is taking both Lyft and Uber calls on the same night, does the 'stache attach with velcro?

It can come off fairly easily and some just put it on the dashboard. Each company is starting to crack down on this practice by confronting drovers who do it (with an email initially). Pretty easy to spot - just open each app on two different devices and you see available cars at the exact same locations.

UberXL arrived in OKC today.

UberX = economy transportation for up to 4.

UberXL = a tab bit pricer transportation for up to 6.

Also, flat pricing to football games starts on Saturday for those who don't want to drive themselves or their group.

UberXL arrived in OKC today.

UberX = economy transportation for up to 4.

UberXL = a tab bit pricer transportation for up to 6.

Also, flat pricing to football games starts on Saturday for those who don't want to drive themselves or their group.

Trips from South of Hefner to Norman are $40 and $60 if North (it looks like that like that applies to both UberX and UberXL).

I'm not exactly sure how the flat rates work or how easy it is to find one after the game, but $40 per car is not bad at all... especially when you factor in parking.

Trips from South of Hefner to Norman are $40 and $60 if North (it looks like that like that applies to both UberX and UberXL).

I'm not exactly sure how the flat rates work or how easy it is to find one after the game, but $40 per car is not bad at all... especially when you factor in parking.
Having attended games in Norman for at least 50 years that kind of transportation there would have absolutely no appeal to me at all.

Just saw they have uberXL here now. Could have used that last weekend

It had HUGE appeal last weekend for many. I know several people who used the service. A friend living at the Maywood had to call for 4 Uber vehicles to get their large group to/from the game. It was mostly a convenience for them - not having to caravan cars and find parking together, then walk, etc. Plus, you don't need a pre-determined 'designated driver.'

Lyft Plus just launched here as well.

Lyft Is the Official Ride of MLB.com ? Lyft Blog (http://blog.lyft.com/posts/2014/9/23/lyft-is-the-official-ride-of-major-league-baseball)

Lyft Is the Official Ride of MLB.com ? Lyft Blog (http://blog.lyft.com/posts/2014/9/23/lyft-is-the-official-ride-of-major-league-baseball)

There is a Lyft thread...

Not the kinds of publicity you want for this type of business.

Police interviewed Botros on Wednesday. During the interview, detectives said Botros described how the victim was dressed, and said in his home country of Egypt, if a woman dresses a certain way, "she [is] asking for that."
Uber driver in Orlando arrested for groping passenger (http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/9/25/uber_driver_arrest.html)