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Bellaboo
10-21-2013, 08:04 AM
Every time he made an offensive move with the ball last night, I keep saying to myself....'Perk just can't do that'.

I thought it may take a while, but Adams is more than holding his own against veterans, pre-season or not.

catcherinthewry
10-21-2013, 08:13 AM
He only had one foul tonight. He appears to be a significantly better offensive player, shot blocker, and rebounder than Perk already. It's early so he has to continue to prove himself, but if he keeps this up then I don't care if he starts right away, but should at least get starter minutes and let Perk start for his self-esteem. There is no reason for Adams to play in Tulsa at all this season if he keeps this play up. Even if Perk starts, he should get 15 minutes a game.

This isn't baseball. You don't have to play in the minors (aka D-league) if you're ready. Rookies contribute right away every year.


Although Adams had 3 fouls, I was very pleased with his numbers last night (wish I could've seen the game). I've been a fan from day one (he was the one I wanted the Thunder to draft if they stayed at no. 12), but his improvement has been astounding. Some analysts didn't have him contributing for 2-3 years. I agree, dan, that he should see regular season minutes, but if he is only going to get 15 minutes a game there will be opportunities to send him down to Tulsa 6-7 times a year to get starter minutes (like they did with PJlll last year).

It's hard to optimism about this kid to a manageable level, but he's handled everything Brooks has thrown at him so far! Where can I get a no. 12 jersey?

dankrutka
10-21-2013, 10:01 AM
If you're getting 15 minutes a game you're not going to Tulsa. Tulsa is for players who are not in the rotation.

Bellaboo
10-21-2013, 02:04 PM
From today's practice -

Reggie Jackson on Russell Westbrook: "One of the dunks (today), he went up and looked like the old Russell, plus some, head at the rim."
— Anthony Slater (@anthonyVslater) October 21, 2013

catcherinthewry
10-21-2013, 04:05 PM
From today's practice -

Reggie Jackson on Russell Westbrook: "One of the dunks (today), he went up and looked like the old Russell, plus some, head at the rim."
— Anthony Slater (@anthonyVslater) October 21, 2013

I saw that on dailythunder.com, I'm trying to hold my optimism in check.

nighttrain12
10-21-2013, 09:54 PM
Where can I get a no. 12 jersey?

You can order one off NBAThunderShop.com or if you go to a game, they will make one there while you wait in one of their lower level shops.

Teo9969
10-21-2013, 10:52 PM
I saw that on dailythunder.com, I'm trying to hold my optimism in check.

Why? He's a Top 10 player in the league and his knee is as exactly as it was before the Beverly injury. He may be rusty to start the season, but Westbrook's development at this point in his career is 75%+ Mental, so him being out was not necessarily a big hamper on his development.

No reason Westbrook won't be at least 115% of last year's Westbrook. Unless you as a general rule hold back optimism for Top 10 players, then feel free to let it go, and I think your expectations, so long as they're reasonable, will be met.

BlackmoreRulz
10-22-2013, 06:31 PM
Correction: Top 5

And I would take Russ over Harden any day of the week.

catcherinthewry
10-22-2013, 06:39 PM
Why? He's a Top 10 player in the league and his knee is as exactly as it was before the Beverly injury. He may be rusty to start the season, but Westbrook's development at this point in his career is 75%+ Mental, so him being out was not necessarily a big hamper on his development.

No reason Westbrook won't be at least 115% of last year's Westbrook. Unless you as a general rule hold back optimism for Top 10 players, then feel free to let it go, and I think your expectations, so long as they're reasonable, will be met.

For the record, I was trying to temper my optimism on RW returning earlier than predicted.

Teo9969
10-22-2013, 06:46 PM
For the record, I was trying to temper my optimism on RW returning earlier than predicted.

ah...makes sense.

It's annoying me that some people are saying "he's out until December" when 6 weeks is mid-December. 4 weeks would be still in November (right around Thanksgiving). We should see him against New York on Christmas Day...I just hope he's back by the 10th of December to get his feet under him before OKC's tough stretch in late December:

12/19 - CHI
12/21 - @SA
12/22 - TOR
12/25 - @NYK
12/27 - @CHA
12/29 - HOU
12/31 - POR
1/2 - BRK
1/4 - @MIN

Praedura
10-22-2013, 09:16 PM
With the team heading up the road tomorrow to play the Bulls, this seems like a timely piece:

Wichita's NBA fans dare to be different | Wichita Eagle (http://www.kansas.com/2013/10/22/3073079/wichitas-nba-fans-dare-to-be-different.html)

It's about the struggles of being an NBA fan in Wichita.

http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2013/10/22/16/36/XZLZm.SlMa.80.jpeg

dankrutka
10-23-2013, 12:41 AM
Nice. I lived in Wichita the last two years and I caught the game in Wichita last season (Harden's Thunder last game). They get a lot of Thunder games on Fox Sports that could help develop a nice little fan base that's only a 2.5 hour drive from OKC. The Thunder should always play a preseason game in Tulsa and Wichita.

Laramie
10-23-2013, 06:54 PM
Westbrook's recovering ahead of schedule:

Report -- Russell Westbrook of Oklahoma City Thunder participates in drills - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9861055/report-russell-westbrook-oklahoma-city-thunder-participates-drills)

Bellaboo
10-24-2013, 07:45 AM
Adams needs to be on the floor more minutes than Perk. He's passed Hash, and I think he's passed Perk......I hope those in charge see it that way.

Bill Robertson
10-24-2013, 07:58 AM
Adams needs to be on the floor more minutes than Perk. He's passed Hash, and I think he's passed Perk......I hope those in charge see it that way.

I've really been impressed with Adams. I want to see him spend a lot of time on the floor. I can see some opponents\situations where Perks' defensive presence would be better than having Adams on the floor. Even that will change when Adams has more experience defending.

dankrutka
10-24-2013, 09:55 AM
Adams' performances have been very consistent. He needs to play at least 15 minutes a game right off the bat. Lamb played his best game last night also. Very encouraging. I hope he can develop a little consistency also.

onthestrip
10-24-2013, 10:02 AM
Obviously we arent going to be shelving Perk and playing Adams 25+ mins a game but Adams play certainly looks good enough to get good mins early in the season, which also helps to keep Perk rested. Because we will still need Perk's physical defense throughout the season and especially in the playoffs. I dont think Adams is ready to guard Dwight Howard yet, so we arent dont with Perk.

There was a quick stretch of play from Adams last night we he blocked Boozer, got the steal, ran the court and rebounded missed fast break shot. He failed to make the put back but everything else in that sequence was very encouraging.

OSUMom
10-24-2013, 10:22 AM
Lamb looked great last night. Would love to see that become the norm instead of the exception.

Laramie
10-24-2013, 10:30 AM
Obviously we arent going to be shelving Perk and playing Adams 25+ mins a game but Adams play certainly looks good enough to get good mins early in the season, which also helps to keep Perk rested. Because we will still need Perk's physical defense throughout the season and especially in the playoffs. I dont think Adams is ready to guard Dwight Howard yet, so we arent dont with Perk.

There was a quick stretch of play from Adams last night we he blocked Boozer, got the steal, ran the court and rebounded missed fast break shot. He failed to make the put back but everything else in that sequence was very encouraging.

Adams has been impressive for the preseason. They will work him into the regular season rotation and as he continues to show progress--the minutes will be available.

I was surprised that they left Derrick Rose in there as long as they did; my God if something had happened to him, Tom Thibodea would be on the hot seat. Scott Brooks took the time to use these exhibition games to examine his players thoroughly and use this as a tool for evaluating the players who will earn a spot on the Thunder roster.

dankrutka
10-24-2013, 11:21 AM
Obviously we arent going to be shelving Perk and playing Adams 25+ mins a game but Adams play certainly looks good enough to get good mins early in the season, which also helps to keep Perk rested. Because we will still need Perk's physical defense throughout the season and especially in the playoffs. I dont think Adams is ready to guard Dwight Howard yet, so we arent dont with Perk.

Perk is still a good one-on-one defender, he's good in pick and rolls, and he is a good defensive leader. However, this is negated by his shortcomings in almost every other aspect of basketball. He's arguably the worst offensive player in the NBA, he is an under average rebounder, he is not a very good rim protector, he runs the floor poorly. So far, Adams has consistently shown the ability to be a drastically better offensive player, rim protector, passer, and he is a quick learner. If the goal of this team is to be playing its best basketball in April then giving Adams significant minutes seems the best route. It's easy to overestimate Perk's ability to guard guys like Dwight. Perk has been destroyed numerous times by big guys for big games so it's not like he shuts Dwight down on a regular basis or anything.

I'd be fine with Perk starting if we still had Westbrook, but trotting out Perk and Thabo together in the starting lineup every night makes for a lot of slow offensive starts. I'm sure Perk will be the starter on Wednesday, but if Adams continues his quick progression than Brooks has to either make him the starter or play him starter minutes. Adams could really be a difference maker for this team.

Teo9969
10-24-2013, 02:16 PM
We need to tap the breaks. I am excited about Adams as much as anybody, but it was the preseason. Adams hasn't seen a real NBA game nor real NBA competition and he has shown some areas for concern especially on the defensive end. Adams minutes should depend 80% on his defensive play and 20% on his offensive play. Calling for him to see 15+ minutes all season long based on the preseason is a bit preemptive. And he will probably see 10+ minutes for sure until Westbrook is back. If he continues to shine and show potential, then his minutes may get upped. But again, at this point, we know very little about Steven Adams as an NBA player.

Teo9969
10-24-2013, 02:23 PM
Adams has been impressive for the preseason. They will work him into the regular season rotation and as he continues to show progress--the minutes will be available.

I was surprised that they left Derrick Rose in there as long as they did; my God if something had happened to him, Tom Thibodea would be on the hot seat. Scott Brooks took the time to use these exhibition games to examine his players thoroughly and use this as a tool for evaluating the players who will earn a spot on the Thunder roster.

He didn't just leave Rose in there, he left their late game line-up (minus Noah) in there as well. But it was a good call because this is a line-up that needs to play for the #1 seed in the East, which means they need to redevelop that consistency and be ready from Game 1/82 to get serious in crunch time if they have to. That live practice is necessary when the centerpiece of your team hasn't played NBA basketball for 18 months. It was probably good for them mentally to come back from being down by 7 in the last half of the 4th, and given OKC's lineup, to thoroughly dominate them at the end.

dankrutka
10-24-2013, 04:18 PM
We need to tap the breaks. I am excited about Adams as much as anybody, but it was the preseason. Adams hasn't seen a real NBA game nor real NBA competition and he has shown some areas for concern especially on the defensive end. Adams minutes should depend 80% on his defensive play and 20% on his offensive play. Calling for him to see 15+ minutes all season long based on the preseason is a bit preemptive. And he will probably see 10+ minutes for sure until Westbrook is back. If he continues to shine and show potential, then his minutes may get upped. But again, at this point, we know very little about Steven Adams as an NBA player.

You realize that NBA players play in preseason, right? Adams has played against some good competition (e.g., Anthony Davis, Enes Kanter). Does he still have a lot to prove? Sure. Has he been consistent in every summer league and preseason game? Yes. Has he shown more ability during these games than Thabeet or Perkins have over the last 4 years of their careers? Yes. Neither Thabeet or post-2010 Perkins have shown the ability to do the things Adams has been doing. It should translate to the regular season (of course, with bumps in the road). If we had a competent NBA center on our roster I would be more patient with Adams, but all he has to do to get minutes is beat out a slightly above average defensive player who is the worst offensive player in the NBA in Perk. That's not asking a lot.

Rookies are major contributors all the time in the NBA. They don't have to play minor league ball for 2 seasons before being "ready." Adams is ready enough to start with 15 minutes a game. If he just continues to play as he has then he deserves more minutes than that.

OKCisOK4me
10-24-2013, 06:09 PM
Not to mention that the level of competition is still going to be higher in preseason play than in D-League play. I don't think they'll be sending Adams to Tulsa. Now Roberson? Probably.

dankrutka
10-24-2013, 06:57 PM
Not to mention that the level of competition is still going to be higher in preseason play than in D-League play. I don't think they'll be sending Adams to Tulsa. Now Roberson? Probably.

Agreed. Roberson has a couple great skills that translate well to the NBA (defense, rebounding), but he'll probably spend pretty much the entire season in Tulsa. He is lost offensively right now.

Praedura
10-24-2013, 08:19 PM
Abe heartily approves of the play of Stephen Adams.

http://dl.dropbox.com/s/fzvtbx9spstui4q/abe_likes_adams.jpg

Teo9969
10-24-2013, 09:17 PM
Saying the preseason is legit.is like saying the regular season is.like the playoffs...

He has the tools, sure...but they have to be used in the context of a game that will play at a much faster and intense pace than the preseason. Passing lanes close quicker, defenses rotate faster, players get to and through the lane quicker, and the physicality will be at higher level. It is not okay for Steven Adams to cost us a game...so unless he is contributing, he needs to be on the bench.

SouthsideSooner
10-24-2013, 10:38 PM
Saying the preseason is legit.is like saying the regular season is.like the playoffs...

He has the tools, sure...but they have to be used in the context of a game that will play at a much faster and intense pace than the preseason. Passing lanes close quicker, defenses rotate faster, players get to and through the lane quicker, and the physicality will be at higher level. It is not okay for Steven Adams to cost us a game...so unless he is contributing, he needs to be on the bench.

Did you watch the game last night on ESPN? It was the last preseason game and other than sitting Noah, Chicago played their regular rotations until the very end. Adams did a fine job against one of the best teams in the league...11 points, seven rebounds, two assists, two steals, two blocks in 30 minutes...

A good quote from Royce Young @DailyThunder... "One of the most impressive things about Adams performance tonight was how he improved mid-game at defending Boozer. The first two trips, Boozer absolutely schooled him, taking him away from the basket and facing up. But after that, Adams got a little bit of a feel for it, and late in the fourth quarter sent a shot right back in Boozer’s face."

Teo9969
10-24-2013, 11:42 PM
Did you watch the game last night on ESPN? It was the last preseason game and other than sitting Noah, Chicago played their regular rotations until the very end. Adams did a fine job against one of the best teams in the league...11 points, seven rebounds, two assists, two steals, two blocks in 30 minutes...

A good quote from Royce Young @DailyThunder... "One of the most impressive things about Adams performance tonight was how he improved mid-game at defending Boozer. The first two trips, Boozer absolutely schooled him, taking him away from the basket and facing up. But after that, Adams got a little bit of a feel for it, and late in the fourth quarter sent a shot right back in Boozer’s face."

I watched the 2nd half right through to the finish. I also loved Adams' play in this game, especially that pwning of Boozer. I think he showed that he has the tools to contribute.

But if you really think anybody is giving the effort in these games that they will give in the regular season who has their playing time and their position in the rotation secured, you're just not being very realistic. Teams are trying things out, doing things they wouldn't normally do...especially against good competition.

Again, Adams has done nothing but impress in the preseason. And while yes, rookies contribute, when they're playing for contenders, they do so by proving themselves during a slow process of integration into the lineup...case in point: Kwahi Leonard.

I hope Adams could plays himself into 15 minutes...but he needs to actually play himself into 15 minutes, when it counts, before it's just given to him.

dankrutka
10-25-2013, 12:33 AM
Why against the same competition does Adams look better, and put up better numbers, than Perkins and Thabeet? Of course, this is preseason, but Adams is doing things that the other 2 guys can't do. If the preseason competition is so weak then how come Perkins and Thabeet aren't destroying the competition?

Teo9969
10-25-2013, 12:54 AM
Why against the same competition does Adams look better, and put up better numbers, than Perkins and Thabeet? Of course, this is preseason, but Adams is doing things that the other 2 guys can't do. If the preseason competition is so weak then how come Perkins and Thabeet aren't destroying the competition?

"But if you really think anybody is giving the effort in these games that they will give in the regular season who has their playing time and their position in the rotation secured, you're just not being very realistic. Teams are trying things out, doing things they wouldn't normally do...especially against good competition."

And for the record, I do think that Adams has earned the minutes over Thabeet...

SouthsideSooner
10-25-2013, 12:56 AM
I watched the 2nd half right through to the finish. I also loved Adams' play in this game, especially that pwning of Boozer. I think he showed that he has the tools to contribute.

But if you really think anybody is giving the effort in these games that they will give in the regular season who has their playing time and their position in the rotation secured, you're just not being very realistic. Teams are trying things out, doing things they wouldn't normally do...especially against good competition.

Again, Adams has done nothing but impress in the preseason. And while yes, rookies contribute, when they're playing for contenders, they do so by proving themselves during a slow process of integration into the lineup...case in point: Kwahi Leonard.

I hope Adams could plays himself into 15 minutes...but he needs to actually play himself into 15 minutes, when it counts, before it's just given to him.

Thib's just doesn't operate that way... Who on the Bull's do you think was just coasting? Rose was incredible and I didn't get the since that anyone on their team was giving any less than their best effort.. They didn't play many minutes from their deep bench, it was all about winning...

I know our recent history is to redshirt rookies but I really think Adams has at least worked his way in to 2nd team center and may well be getting the major minutes there come the end of the season... Perk has value but it would be great to see him being used only when the match ups dictate it...

Teo9969
10-25-2013, 12:58 AM
If Chicago was giving their best effort last night, OKC would have lost by 40 points

Teo9969
10-25-2013, 01:00 AM
That...or Chicago is going to struggle to make the playoffs...

dankrutka
10-25-2013, 01:51 AM
That...or Chicago is going to struggle to make the playoffs...

I'm not even sure what the argument is anymore. You've said Adams deserves back up minutes. I can live with that... Let the regular season begin. ;)

Bellaboo
10-25-2013, 07:55 AM
Saying the preseason is legit.is like saying the regular season is.like the playoffs...

He has the tools, sure...but they have to be used in the context of a game that will play at a much faster and intense pace than the preseason. Passing lanes close quicker, defenses rotate faster, players get to and through the lane quicker, and the physicality will be at higher level. It is not okay for Steven Adams to cost us a game...so unless he is contributing, he needs to be on the bench.

I kind of feel like Perk is costing us. I'm not sure he's as quick as he was when he was younger.He can't hardly jump anymore, and it takes him forever to collect and dunk the ball. What Perk did when he came was instilled a defensive toughness to this team. All Adams needs is experience, which he'll get since he's passed Hash. The organization has said Adams is already tough and a quick learner.....I'd say by January or February, he'll be the starter.

TaoMaas
10-25-2013, 09:10 AM
Why against the same competition does Adams look better, and put up better numbers, than Perkins and Thabeet?

This is the equalizer on the Adams talk for me. The competition level is the same, but the results are not. That should tell us something.

Bellaboo
10-25-2013, 10:47 AM
From a comment on DT -

'Aaron Bruski (top fantasy guy) has his minutes projections out for OKC today. He's traditionally rather excellent at this. Here's what we got. Westbrook (32-35), Jackson (35-38 pre WB, 29-34 after), Fisher (8-12), Thabo (30-36 pre WB, 26-31 after), Lamb (22-28 pre WB, 21-25 after), Durant (38-42), Jones (8-10 if he cracks rotation), Robes (5-10 if he cracks rotation), Ibaka (36-39 pre WB, 34-37 after), Collison (19-24), Perkins (16-20), Adams (18-23), Thabeet (8-14, if he cracks rotation)
'

Talking about predicting minutes.

warreng88
10-25-2013, 11:32 AM
From a comment on DT -

'Aaron Bruski (top fantasy guy) has his minutes projections out for OKC today. He's traditionally rather excellent at this. Here's what we got. Westbrook (32-35), Jackson (35-38 pre WB, 29-34 after), Fisher (8-12), Thabo (30-36 pre WB, 26-31 after), Lamb (22-28 pre WB, 21-25 after), Durant (38-42), Jones (8-10 if he cracks rotation), Robes (5-10 if he cracks rotation), Ibaka (36-39 pre WB, 34-37 after), Collison (19-24), Perkins (16-20), Adams (18-23), Thabeet (8-14, if he cracks rotation)
'

Talking about predicting minutes.

That sounds about right. Perk will get more minutes earlier in the season and as the season progresses, Adams will take over. Probably not as the starter, but he will get more as the season rolls on.

Teo9969
10-25-2013, 11:38 AM
If you add up that guy's LOW totals it is 262 minutes/game...

Through the All-Star break, I'd expect to see these averages...it totals to 250 because the Westbrook injury will throw off averages (but not by 22 - 40 minutes). The bracketed number is what I would expect to see post all-star break.

Westbrook: 30 [35]
Jackson: 30 [28]
Fisher: 10 [8]

Sefolosha: 28 [27]
Lamb: 13 [13]

Durant: 39 [37]
Roberson: 6 [6]
Gomes: 3 [3]

Ibaka: 34 [34]
Collison: 18 [14]
PJIII: 4 [6]

Perkins: 22 [20]
Adams: 10 [12]
Thabeet: 4 [4]

McGruder/Garrett: 1 [2]

dankrutka
10-25-2013, 12:42 PM
I don't expect Roberson, PJIII, McGruder/Garrett/Gomes, or the 3rd center (Thabeet) to get any meaningful minutes. Brooks will probably roll with a 10 man rotation of RW0, Thabo, KD, Serge, Perk, Lamb, Collison, Reggie, Adams, and Fisher with only spot, junk, or injury-related minutes otherwise. He doesn't like to use a ton of guys.

BoulderSooner
10-25-2013, 12:53 PM
McGruder and Garrett are no longer on the team they were cut today. We are down to a 14 man roster

This tells me they thing Russ will be back much sooner than 4-6 weeks

Teo9969
10-25-2013, 01:00 PM
McGruder and Garrett are no longer on the team they were cut today. We are down to a 14 man roster

This tells me they thing Russ will be back much sooner than 4-6 weeks

I think we figured that anyway, based on other reports.

Interesting to leave a roster spot open, but I guess there's no reason to pay someone if they're not going to play.

Teo9969
10-25-2013, 01:04 PM
I don't expect Roberson, PJIII, McGruder/Garrett/Gomes, or the 3rd center (Thabeet) to get any meaningful minutes. Brooks will probably roll with a 10 man rotation of RW0, Thabo, KD, Serge, Perk, Lamb, Collison, Reggie, Adams, and Fisher with only spot, junk, or injury-related minutes otherwise. He doesn't like to use a ton of guys.

I agree that he hasn't in the past liked to use a ton of guys...and I can't say with any certainty that will change...but if it doesn't, I have to question whether Brooks learned anything from last season.

dankrutka
10-29-2013, 10:23 AM
The NBA season starts today! Woo woo!

Thundercitizen
10-29-2013, 04:31 PM
Predictions:

Thunder win the West, then the NBA (in that order...)
KD wins MVP
Westbrook comes back with MUCH better court vision a 3-pt shot
Ibaka becomes a post-up machine in tandem with Adams
Steven Adams becomes the new Dwight
J Lamb wrests the scoring title from KD
Perk becomes another player by the all-star break
James Harden asks for a trade back to OKC, cause he's ready to really sacrifice
Reggie Jackson averages 18 pts, 11 assists, 3 steals

I didn't sleep well last night.
:)

Praedura
10-29-2013, 04:57 PM
Predictions:

Thunder win the West, then the NBA (in that order...)
KD wins MVP
Westbrook comes back with MUCH better court vision a 3-pt shot
Ibaka becomes a post-up machine in tandem with Adams
Steven Adams becomes the new Dwight
J Lamb wrests the scoring title from KD
Perk becomes another player by the all-star break
James Harden asks for a trade back to OKC, cause he's ready to really sacrifice
Reggie Jackson averages 18 pts, 11 assists, 3 steals

I didn't sleep well last night.
:)

I was with you, until you got to the part about "not sleeping well last night"... I find that pretty hard to believe! :p

OKCisOK4me
10-29-2013, 06:01 PM
Predictions:

Thunder win the West, then the NBA (in that order...)
KD wins MVP
Westbrook comes back with MUCH better court vision a 3-pt shot
Ibaka becomes a post-up machine in tandem with Adams
Steven Adams becomes the new Dwight
J Lamb wrests the scoring title from KD
Perk becomes another player by the all-star break
James Harden asks for a trade back to OKC, cause he's ready to really sacrifice
Reggie Jackson averages 18 pts, 11 assists, 3 steals

I didn't sleep well last night.
:)

Clippers youth beats Spurs in WCF only for the Heat to be victorious, once again, in a six games Finals series.

Sorry for popping your balloon, but we have to be realistic here.

We don't know the true strength of Westbrook. Durant will attempt to be the "be all-do all" shining star which will stress him. Ibaka can't be proficient on offense with a set jump shot game. He needs to develop a back-to-the-basket skill set. Last year of the Perkins contract. Love him. Hope he has a great season but probably not and he'll get a ton of crap from OKC fans for it. Father time catches up to D Fish. Adams will be a good minutes player off the bench and I only expect him to be a rebounding machine for us. Maybe they can work on developing his low post passing skills. Harden will not be a factor with the Thunder ever again. Jeremy Lamb was inconsistent in the preseason which doesn't bode well for regular season play against serious title contenders. He'd develop much faster playing and possibly starting for a team ala the Warriors. As for Reggie, only time will tell. I think he has that potential.

Just Two Cents from the guy that watches the games at Henry Hudson's.

Oh and how could I forget. Nick Collison will do what Nick Collison does. Get rebounds, maybe have 2 or 3 10-12 point games, take charges and foul out to save fouls for our starters. Nick accepts his role.

ljbab728
10-29-2013, 10:25 PM
Westbrook could be back in two weeks. ;)

Y! SPORTS (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--russell-westbrook-could-return-to-thunder-lineup-within-two-weeks-003220954.html)

Jake
10-30-2013, 12:04 AM
Thunder expands its TV viewership area by 65 percent | News OK (http://newsok.com/article/3898914)

Expanding TV viewership.

ljbab728
10-30-2013, 12:08 AM
Thunder expands its TV viewership area by 65 percent | News OK (http://newsok.com/article/3898914)

Expanding TV viewership.

Does that translate into more money?

Thundercitizen
10-30-2013, 12:10 AM
Does that translate into more money?Hopefully that translates into a nice free agent or two.

dankrutka
10-30-2013, 12:54 AM
Is money the problem? Our already rich owners have made a huge profit on the Thunder and haven't spent it. I hope its part of a long term plan...

SouthsideSooner
10-30-2013, 01:23 AM
Is money the problem? Our already rich owners have made a huge profit on the Thunder and haven't spent it. I hope its part of a long term plan...

Hmmm... Really? Have you factored in the the losses incurred while still in Seattle? The lease buyout that allowed the move? The NBA relocation fee and other expenses incurred in relocating the team? I know there were a couple of pretty profitable years while our stars were still on rookie contracts but now we're right up against the tax line and are going to be facing the inevitability of crossing it in the next couple of years...

So anyway, since you stated what you said as an obvious fact, would you mind breaking down the numbers for me to date and going forward? Thanks in advance...

Teo9969
10-30-2013, 01:56 AM
Money is part of the problem, but people thinking that this ownership/management isn't willing to pay the tax are just not thinking. It's not about an unwillingness to pay the tax, it's about an unwillingness to pay obscene tax, and an unwillingness to sacrifice the long-term stability of the franchise for 2 or 3 seasons of titles and then have to blow up the entire roster and hope the franchise is still on a good foundation.

Teo9969
10-30-2013, 01:57 AM
Does that translate into more money?

I would think not until a new contract between FSOK and the Thunder is written out. But hopefully I'm wrong on that and there are incentive or renegotiation type things in the contract.

MonkeesFan
10-30-2013, 03:47 AM
Westbrook could be back in two weeks. ;)

Y! SPORTS (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--russell-westbrook-could-return-to-thunder-lineup-within-two-weeks-003220954.html)

So? The Thunder are not winning a championship

Sonny_Crockett
10-30-2013, 01:30 PM
So? The Thunder are not winning a championship


I wouldn't bet on it. The Heat are winning it this year and LeBron's winning the MVP. Plus if you watch ESPN or TNT, the Thunder get no love and everyone says it will never be "KD's time" and the OKC will be lottery bound for years to come. I'm done watching d-bags on ESPN who follow Queen James 24/7.

Jake
10-30-2013, 02:37 PM
Wasn't aware the Thunder were financially bankrupt. Thanks for the heads up!

Bill Robertson
10-30-2013, 03:48 PM
So? The Thunder are not winning a championshipWe won't be the worst team in the league. Your team, however, has a really good shot at that!

BTW. this is the last time you'll draw me in with your Thunder-hating taunts. Just had to add one return-fire.