Ending their 15 game home winning streak with KD having a bad game certainly speaks well for the rest of the team tonight.

Is there a chance Durant is not well? He was playing almost lazily at times - at playoff time? It's just bewildering.

Is there a chance Durant is not well? He was playing almost lazily at times - at playoff time? It's just bewildering.

I keep hearing commentators saying he's exhausted, but who knows. He'll have a few days to rest up for the next game anyway.

I keep hearing commentators saying he's exhausted, but who knows. He'll have a few days to rest up for the next game anyway.

I agree with the commentators. Having played b-ball and followed at many levels for many years, I agree. His legs are gone. Missing shot after shot, and especially free throws is a sure sign of exhausted legs.

Reggie Jackson just changed this city tonight.

Finally, Scott Brooks leaves in Reggie more than 13 minutes and look what happens. I cannot believe we won this given all of the circumstances (Durant and Westbrook sucking).

These Grizzlies are tough. Let's bring the noise Tuesday night.

EDIT: Game 5 is Tuesday, not Monday

You will hear Momma and me hollering from Mustang.

I think it's less physical exhaustion and more mental exhaustion.

The only thing that's going to cure that mental exhaustion is a the MVP tucked securely away in his trophy case. I think he's so consumed with it he can't concentrate properly on putting the ball in the bucket. I'm praying that trophy is granted to him in game 5.

It's usually announced during the second round.

Memphis is beating the hell out of KD at every turn... He's having to work much harder in this series than in the regular season and probably any other playoff series. Plus, that was three very draining OT games in a row for the guy that plays way more minutes than anyone on the team.

If we can just get past these guys and their ugly style of play, I'm sure he'll be reinvigorated.

The team will get a few days rest, they don't have to play again until Tuesday night, so that should get their legs under them, and both KD and Russ should have better shooting nights come Tuesday.

The team will get a few days rest, they don't have to play again until Tuesday night, so that should get their legs under them, and both KD and Russ should have better shooting nights come Tuesday.

This makes the 3rd straight game we've said that…I'm not so sure.

This is the definition of overzealous ridiculous conjecture but this is my theory:

I said this on another forum, but I really hope KD plays for something else on Tuesday. Maybe he can play for Reggie because of Reggie bailing him out in what would have likely gone down as the most embarrassing moment of his career. This slump of KD's goes back the past 10 to 15 or so games, and if indeed it's mental exhaustion from a season of hearing about the MVP race, he needs to find something else to play for, if only momentarily. I don't think KD is wired to play 500 games with a single-minded purpose. He's not a machine like Kobe or Jordan. So he needs to keep his mind fresh and play for a variety of things: greatness, team, family, friends, faith, self, legend, competition, fun. So many reasons. If I had to bet money on something as silly as another human being's mentality, I'd bet that playing for greatness/legend drove him to the legendary month he had in January and that after that instead of hitting the refresh, he doubled down and let the mindset consume him.

Memphis really knows how to dog KD. That can open up a lot of other players. It ain't over 'till it's over.

I wish we were making better tactical changes given how they are defending.

Not seeing a lot of adjustments in this series.

It's great that we won but we shot under 40%. Even if we scrape by Memphis we aren't going much further until we learn to make better offensive adjustments.

I know its improbable. But, I was hoping they could find the groove they had during the first part of the season, and just run the friggin table from here on out.

I know its improbable. But, I was hoping they could find the groove they had during the first part of the season, and just run the friggin table from here on out.

You are an optimistic sort, aren't you? :)

I wish we were making better tactical changes given how they are defending.

Not seeing a lot of adjustments in this series.

It's great that we won but we shot under 40%. Even if we scrape by Memphis we aren't going much further until we learn to make better offensive adjustments.

It's not offensive adjustments. It really and truly is as simple as KD and RW just need to hit their shots. 53/154 (34.4%) for the last 3 games. You can't retool the offense just because the basis for your offense are collectively in a slump. A few plays, sure…finding the hot hand (as they somewhat did last night), great. But KD and RW are supposed to be shooting 45% on the low-side and 55 to 60% on the high-side. If they get to that 45% mark, then that's 32 extra points at a minimum over the last 3 games.

This series is almost exactly the same with how it was in the 2010-2011 semi finals. I think it goes to 7 in Thunders favor. I can't take any more of Memphis. Off that subject, can they please do an orange out for once! :)

The ball is back in our court:.

Optimism is often contagious! Let's telepath that enthusiasm to the players at the next home playoff game. Could result in an extra hustle for a loose ball. A win will put Memphis on the ropes; a 'do or die' situation for the Grizzlies in game six own their on court..

The Thunder caught the Grizzlies off guard; especially when Durant & Westbrook deferred to Jackson in the closing minutes. We have weapons on our bench (Adams, Butler, Collison, Fisher, Jones & Lamb) besides Jackson.

We dodged a bullet in Memphis; kick them while they are down--let's not let them beat us two of three on our home court.

Durant should weather through this temporary physical & mental exhaustion with a few days rest.


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Memphis fans are not so optimistic about this series anymore, judging by their forums, this was theirs after 2-1.

Game 4 was most definitely the turning point. I think Thunder win out in 6 now. MEM will be mentally beat down after losing a game at home where Durant plays the worst game he will probably ever play again.

Reggie Jackson will get a standing-O on check-in tomorrow night.

Friend of mine who goes to just about EVERY Thunder home game offered to me the thought KD was just physically worn out, certainly compared to the early season, all combined with the fact that Memphis is just physically abusing him unlike any other team this season. And as it appears the refs are, as they say, "letting them play," don't look for that to get any better.

I try to be optimistic, so I look at this series as one where the Thunder has played some of its worst basketball all season, where its stars have really struggled, but they still own home court advantage and can take the series lead tomorrow night at home. What's even bigger from a psych standpoint is that surely Memphis knows this, too, which should make that Game 4 loss (for them) just that much more disheartening.

There are *lots* of psych angles to this. After all the body blows, they've taken, if they can get this thing to 3-2 in their favor, I have to like their chances of winning the series. Ironically enough, after watching the Golden State/Clipper game yesterday, I'd have a tough time seeing the second round series being anywhere near as physical - neither team plays anywhere near the kind of game Memphis does.

I know, I know, we have to get Memphis out of the way first. I'm hoping against hope we got into their heads with Game 4, and can push them right to the edge tomorrow night.

FWIW none of the favorites have been playing great outside of Miami in these playoffs. Houston and Chicago are dangerously close to being eliminated over teams they were favored to win. Spurs have looked god-awful against the Dallas Mavericks Senior Citizen Club. Indiana has been in slow motion collapse since the all star break. Just a weird playoff series so far.

Four overtimes. What a series!

Nothing happy about that ending.

The Thunder's maddening tendency to dig themselves into a deep hole in the 3rd quarter than having to have a frantic rally in the 4th is going to finish them this year, I'm afraid.

Scott Brooks is coaching for his job Thursday.

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I see a rivalry in the making.

I recall many proclaiming the birth of a rivalry after the 2011 playoff series, and I admit to scoffing at the idea on account that doing so after a single series seemed to be a bit premature. But these two teams continually produce some of the most exciting overtime match-ups, and mostly in the playoffs. Factor in that both are small market teams slugging it out for dominance in Western Conference, and we have ourselves an interesting dual.

I'm disappointed with the loss, but I'm thrilled that we citizens of OKC have such a great team (let alone any team) to call our own. Perspective is huge.

Losing sucks.

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Remind me next season.

I still have I slight bit of optimism that the Thunder can get the job done in Game 6.

With that being said, want to put forth my opinion I have been observing over the past couple of months. I hope I am wrong but here is how I see things potentially going. I think the Thunder peaked at the all-star break this season. Since then, they have been little by little on a downward spiral. I don't think it is because of C. Butler breaking up the chemistry. This team has become very inconsistent. over the past couple of months and It has definitely shown in the playoffs. In this series, Brooks is apparently not able to see that the current offense is not working and try something else.
I really think that there has to be a dramatic personnel and or coaching change. If not Then I think we can expect this team to slip a couple of seeds in the playoffs next year and following years and become a middle of the pack team like Golden State in the Western Conference. Meaning that from now on we may see several first round exits from the playoffs. If that happens, don't expect KD to stick around. He wants to win. The Western Conference is just too loaded right now. too bad we are not in the Eastern conference.

Memphis is simply BETTER than the Thunder. no amount of analysis will change that. OKC will win in the regular season and lose in the post season until Scott Brooks is gone, KP is gone, RW is a shooting guard and Thabo is on the second team. enjoy a couple more years of KD and Russ before they bolt to a winner (post season). Oh by the way I am a season ticket holder so I can make these comments as a fan.

You guys that want Scott Brooks gone are just funny. Obviously you're Sooner fans regardless of it being in your screen name or not. He won't be gone. Kendrick Perkins probably but most definitely not the coach. He wasn't out on the court missing shots and shooting I'll advised shots.


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You guys that want Scott Brooks gone are just funny. Obviously you're Sooner fans regardless of it being in your screen name or not. He won't be gone. Kendrick Perkins probably but most definitely not the coach. He wasn't out on the court missing shots and shooting I'll advised shots.


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So he either thinks those horrid shots are a good idea, needs to be fired.
Or he doesn't like those shots and this team just ignores him, needs to be fired.

We have no offensive system, insane rotations and schemes (like using kd as a decoy after he hit a momentum three, what in the hell was that?), and we have been playing crummy defense since the last 15 games of the season it's time to get some new blood and fresh ideas. Brooks is Doug Collins. Thanks for the improvement and development but he's clearly not the guy to get us over the hump.

Another overtime...

This series is insane and shows how sad the East really is. Our 7 and 8 seeds are competitive with the 1 and 2. Yea Indiana and Hawks are dueling, but look at the rest of the East... Cake walk avenue.

I am sad that we possibly just had our last playoff game at the 'Peake. But if anyone can force a game 7 in OKC, it is the Thunder.


Also can Mike Thunder-Killer Miller please stop hitting everything he chucks up in overtimes?! That dude could shoot blind folded with one arm at full court and sink everything against us. He is, to us, what Fisher is to the Spurs.

You guys that want Scott Brooks gone are just funny. Obviously you're Sooner fans regardless of it being in your screen name or not. He won't be gone. Kendrick Perkins probably but most definitely not the coach. He wasn't out on the court missing shots and shooting I'll advised shots.


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I'm no basketball expert, so I'm surely not about to say Brooks should or shouldn't be gone. My only sentiment about Brooks at all - particularly in light of the idea of KD missing shots - is that there is at least some component of the end-game situation that relies on some coach at least drawing up a play that puts KD in a position for a chance to make the best shot possible. I'll leave it to the others here who know the game better to assess the extent to which that's at play right now.

Beyond that, I think this whole blue-funk-for-most-of-the-game mentality has to have some roots, somehow, in the lockerroom. It makes no sense to me that a team with this much potential and so much at stake at home can come out completely flat and, perhaps, even a little disinterested. Surely, by now, they don't disrespect the opponent that much. Are bench players tired of the focus on KD and RW? Is the broader team tired of the KD for MVP push? I mean, dumbbell that I admittedly am, the eyeball test tells me that these guys are just out of whack for some reason.

I'm no basketball expert, so I'm surely not about to say Brooks should or shouldn't be gone. My only sentiment about Brooks at all - particularly in light of the idea of KD missing shots - is that there is at least some component of the end-game situation that relies on some coach at least drawing up a play that puts KD in a position for a chance to make the best shot possible. I'll leave it to the others here who know the game better to assess the extent to which that's at play right now.

Beyond that, I think this whole blue-funk-for-most-of-the-game mentality has to have some roots, somehow, in the lockerroom. It makes no sense to me that a team with this much potential and so much at stake at home can come out completely flat and, perhaps, even a little disinterested. Surely, by now, they don't disrespect the opponent that much. Are bench players tired of the focus on KD and RW? Is the broader team tired of the KD for MVP push? I mean, dumbbell that I admittedly am, the eyeball test tells me that these guys are just out of whack for some reason.
I think that KD kissed the "MVP" away when he missed the game tying free throw with 20some seconds left. The real "MVP" is deadly/clutch in that situation. He let his team down again. And, regarding the final shot, wow. With all of the supposed basketball knowledge on that sideline/team, and that is the best they could come up with. Please. A junior high kid could have set up something better than that. Oh well, it's just basketball.

Our superstars aren't playing like superstars and our coach doesn't know how to draw up plays. Bad combination.

I think that KD kissed the "MVP" away when he missed the game tying free throw with 20some seconds left. The real "MVP" is deadly/clutch in that situation. He let his team down again. And, regarding the final shot, wow. With all of the supposed basketball knowledge on that sideline/team, and that is the best they could come up with. Please. A junior high kid could have set up something better than that. Oh well, it's just basketball.


I agree with you here.

In the post game presser, Brooks said he did not draw up a play, and instead gave the go-ahead to KD. So KD made the decision there. Honestly, it wasn't that bad. Chuck up a 3 ball that could magically fall and have a shot at a tip in. That is two pretty good chances in under 3 seconds. I feel like the odds of driving and hoping for a foul call is worse than what happened. Refs are terrible at calling fouls under the final 24 seconds.

KD should have sunk that free throw. In fact, he should have sunk all of them. I think he missed 3. Which were all the second FT of all his pairs. That is inexcusable.


It will be interesting in game 6 to see if KD takes over and plays his heart out, or rolls over and Mike Miller and Grizz stomp out OKC a la Heat 2012 Finals.

Things were moving along nicely until they brought Butler to OKC in mid-season. This is when the chemistry was lost. This is when the "bench's" contribution dropped.

Ask this question, if Brooks can "game plan" and find a new line-up for Miami and Win decisively w/ Lamb & Perry contributing majory roles in that victory, then why do we not see Lamb on the court now?

... Lamb's confidense was still at a high-level ( during the Miami game - before Butler arrived to OKC ) and we got to see what caliber of player Lamb is. Brooks has pushed him to the end of the bench now?

Brooks, he was good enough for the Miami ( and BTW, Miami is a much better team than Memphis) line-up, so why not now? ...if Lamb does not see the floor in Game 6, Brooks should be let go at the end of the season, which would be after a game 6 loss.

Head official Joey Crawford interrupts Kevin Durant's rhythm with 28 seconds remaining in between free throws. Durant made the first; then he was given the ball by Crawford to complete the second.


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Head official Joey Crawford interrupts Kevin Durant's rhythm with 28 seconds remaining in between free throws. Durant made the first; then he was given the ball by Crawford to complete the second.


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You are dead on correct with this. Crawford "iced" him, but, prior to that, Brooks "iced" him by making a late substitution. But, still, the "MVP" drains both of those.

So he either thinks those horrid shots are a good idea, needs to be fired.
Or he doesn't like those shots and this team just ignores him, needs to be fired.

We have no offensive system, insane rotations and schemes (like using kd as a decoy after he hit a momentum three, what in the hell was that?), and we have been playing crummy defense since the last 15 games of the season it's time to get some new blood and fresh ideas. Brooks is Doug Collins. Thanks for the improvement and development but he's clearly not the guy to get us over the hump.

So then...as I asked pages back who would your candidate be to replace Brooks?? Is there a coach out there like a Popovich that is willing to relocate to a small market city with the hopes of winning a championship? Taking numbers now...


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Id look at George Karl or Lionel Hollins

So then...as I asked pages back who would your candidate be to replace Brooks?? Is there a coach out there like a Popovich that is willing to relocate to a small market city with the hopes of winning a championship? Taking numbers now...


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For starters enough with this small market crap it has absolutely NOTHING to do with coaching. Small market concerns a player's ability to earn more money through endorsements. The town he plays in is larger thus bigger deals to be had because in theory that particular team has more fans and therefore can sell more shoes. However, an international superstar is above small market and it doesn't matter where they play. Kryie Irving is a guy who could make more money in NY, Chicago, or LA, but it doesn't matter for the leagues MVP. So it's pretty ridiculous you think a coach cares how big the market is, for what, his ego?

Give Kevin Ollie, Stan Van Gundy, Jeff Van Gundy, George Karl all a call just to start.

You act like if OKC is the Bucks or something. This would be the most attractive job in the NBA and it's not even close. Two of the top 5 players in the league on the same team including the MVP? If a coach gives a sh*t that it's a "small market" despite that it's a team with the talent to win a title next year, then its not the right coach.

Karl is a great candidate for rebuilding , but the Thunder? Meh. 8 seasons in Denver, championship round once(lost). His other seasons never made it out of first round. How is he superior to Brooks?

Karl is a great candidate for rebuilding , but the Thunder? Meh. 8 seasons in Denver, championship round once(lost). His other seasons never made it out of first round. How is he superior to Brooks?

Outside of Melo how much talent was on those Nugget teams?

Outside of Melo how much talent was on those Nugget teams?

AI was averaging 30 or so a game, Marcus Camby- Defensive player of year while a Nugget, a couple that come to mind.

Id look at George Karl or Lionel Hollins

The Thunder-Grizzlies series has been very competitive with games 2, 5 (in OKC) and 3, 4 (in Memphis) going into overtime.

Game 1 (in Oklahoma City) Oklahoma City Thunder 100 Memphis Grizzlies 86

14-point OKC win in regulation*

Game 2 (in Oklahoma City) Memphis Grizzlies 111 Oklahoma City Thunder 105

6-point Memphis win in OT

Game 3 (in Memphis) Memphis Grizzlies 98 Oklahoma City Thunder 95

3-point Memphis win in OT

Game 4 (in Memphis) Oklahoma City Thunder 92 Memphis Grizzlies 89

3-point OKC win in OT*

Game 5 (in Oklahoma City) Memphis Grizzlies 100 Oklahoma City Thunder 99

1-point Memphis win in OT


Don't think it's going to happen: If Scott Brooks were to be replaced; Lionel Hollins the former Memphis Grizzlies coach would be someone to give thorough consideration. (Those of you who want to replace Scott Brooks, be careful for what you wish.)


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Memphis Grizzlies Three wins = [ 6 + 3 + 1 Total = 10 points] Average 3.33 points/per game win
* Oklahoma City Thunder Two wins = [14 + 3 Total = 17 points] Average 8.5 points/per game win

All three Memphis wins were in OT.



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You guys that want Scott Brooks gone are just funny. Obviously you're Sooner fans regardless of it being in your screen name or not. He won't be gone. Kendrick Perkins probably but most definitely not the coach. He wasn't out on the court missing shots and shooting I'll advised shots.


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Nope, but he is the one with the befuddling game plan that had KD as a decoy late in the game, has seemingly given Westbrook the green light to fire three after three at an 18% clip, and can only offer up KD fade away threes down by 1 at the end of the game. Brooks is a good motivator, but the most knowledgeable basketball minds knows that the Thunder are at a disadvantage with him on the sidelines. He's stubborn, makes poor adjustments, and hasn't addressed our weaknesses. I'm pretty much ready for him to go after defending him for years. But we have to know who we're going after before doing so...

I think that KD kissed the "MVP" away when he missed the game tying free throw with 20some seconds left.

The MVP votes have already been cast. KD won it. It just hasn't been announced. Unfortunately, the announcement was delayed because of this Donald Sterling situation, which means KD could be the first MVP in a long while to be out of the playoffs when he receives the award.

I wonder when the last time was when the MVP won the award on his couch?



Tonight is the night. 7pm on TNT. The OKC paper today called Durant Mr Unreliable. Not sure if this is reverse psychology or just being flat mean. Either way, I hope it lights fire under these guys and Durant MOVES AROUND and pulls the double and triple team all over and wears them out. Even if DUrant is gassed, at least he is gassing two or three of their guys as well.

I wonder when the last time was when the MVP won the award on his couch?



Tonight is the night. 7pm on TNT. The OKC paper today called Durant Mr Unreliable. Not sure if this is reverse psychology or just being flat mean. Either way, I hope it lights fire under these guys and Durant MOVES AROUND and pulls the double and triple team all over and wears them out. Even if DUrant is gassed, at least he is gassing two or three of their guys as well.

Yeah I could not BELIEVE that headline. Having said that, I also know that the guy writing the column (Tramel) is not the guy who writes the headlines. While he did use that phrase within the article, it was a far cry from the context implied by the headline. Think the DOK is fishing for attention, unfortunately.

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another coach ill throw in there and preface that there is less than a percent of landing him would be Coach K. He agreed to become the Lakers coach a few years ago then had second thoughts. Also, he has been coach of Team USA for a while and all the players respect the hell out of him.

Dangle Durant and Westbrook in his face and he might listen.

Someone on another forum fixed the article:


Fixed it:

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KD, please don't give this ( Small Dying Paper ) as second thought. This is the most INCORRECT statement they have made in 50 years. KD, if we have the ball for the last second shot for the win, please take that shot. ... the fans.

If The Oklahoman is looking to Revive its readership to the glory days, then run a headline with a picture of Scott Brooks on the cover and it reads : Mr. Uncertain ...The Other Coaches in the NBA win with less talent on the floor. ....why are we looking at a 3-2 deficit w/ Memphis ? ... don't tell me it is fatigue with Durant, when Lamb has not even seen the floor. That is coaching. That is managing the game. That is Your role as coach. Putting them in the best position to win the game. Why did Michael Jordan want Phil Jackson? Why did Kobe want Phil Jackson? ...he is the coach that can WIN the ring, not just get your there. ...a big difference.

Who is the brain child at the Oklahoman that let this ( Unreliable ) out of the building? ...all of you should be let go. This is pathetic.

please leave your comments to show the OKC thunder team your support for tonight game.


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I support the Thunder. I just wish The Oklahoman did as well. Their headline today was "Mr. Unreliable" in 3" copy with a big picture of KD beneath it.:hammer:

I wrote the sports editor, Mike Sherman a letter to state my disgust. I suggest all Thunder fans do the same. His email is msherman@opubco.com

I support the Thunder. I just wish The Oklahoman did as well. Their headline today was "Mr. Unreliable" in 3" copy with a big picture of KD beneath it.:hammer:

I wrote the sports editor, Mike Sherman a letter to state my disgust. I suggest all Thunder fans do the same. His email is msherman@opubco.com

Welcome to the major leagues. It's like that in any major league city with the press. It is not the job of sports reporters to be uncritical cheerleaders.

The irony is that KD is arguably the most consistent player in the NBA. Even when he has struggled during this series, his production has been largely consistent... just inefficient.

If you are as disgusted with today's headline as I am, please share your thoughts with the sports editor, Mike Sherman, msherman@opubco.com

Welcome to the major leagues. It's like that in any major league city with the press. It is not the job of sports reporters to be uncritical cheerleaders.

There's a big difference between being critical and being right. Is Durant Mr. Unreliable? He may be the most reliable player in the NBA. How many great seasons and great playoff series has he had? Calling him Mr. Unreliable during one bad series that is not even over yet is a case of the "what have you done for me latelys" at its worst.

The Oklahoman owes him an apology.