Then I'm a happy dude!

It won't be EIFS or stucco according to Russell - McDermid indicated it's a glass panel kind of facade typically used during the era NW 23 was originally built.

That sounds great!

1. All of the other signage on the project says "retail", but on the north facade there was a sign for a Summit Co.

Summit Co. is a Stillwater based outdoor gear retailer, I was pretty excited to see their logo on that animation.

Me too. I loved going there when I lived in STW.

Keep in mind this strip along 23rd is only a small part of their holdings.

They also own a big chunk of property due north and I'd love to know their plans for that.

It looks like from the rendering that the parking will be what is currently the alley-way they are wanting to "close" and if I had to guess there will be parking on either side of it, but definitely parking spaces just north of the building and maybe north of a two way street right in front of those spaces. Although, they have what seems to be the current "Paseo Underground" building that is just north of the alley on Walker...If anything is built at that latitude, then I think parking on both sides of the alley would be impossible...*maybe* if you had a one way street in either direction.

Outdoor seating in back (especially the second floor deck) is going to be a little weird next to the power lines that run down the alley.

Keep in mind this strip along 23rd is only a small part of their holdings.

They also own a big chunk of property due north and I'd love to know their plans for that.

i'm sure quite a bit of it will be parking

Maybe some for parking but look at everything they own (yellow is this development but they also own the pink):

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/fr23rd2.jpg

That pink land is interesting. Is that still zoned residential?

You definitely notice a "dead zone" of empty lots and flop houses between 23rd and the Paseo area. I know the Positively Paseo association has been very active in getting some residential infill in their neighborhood, I see no reason why they couldn't try and move a few blocks south.

North of 24th is residential. South I believe is all commercial.

Here is a rendering of the back of The Rise.

Also, you can see in that animation that directly behind the one row of parking it is just a landscaped area, not more parking.



http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/riseback.jpg

Summit Co. is a Stillwater based outdoor gear retailer, I was pretty excited to see their logo on that animation.
They have a location in downtown Edmond also. It's been there for a few years.

They have a location in downtown Edmond also. It's been there for a few years.

It is downtown on Broadway.

Here's the rendering for the old Hotel Liquidator's site, to be renamed The Rise:



http://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r960-846606c28890edc9dd8b1a742d68bb55.jpg


This looks a lot different than the renderings I initially saw for the project. The images I saw were of red brick storefronts on NW 23rd Street with peaked rooftops. I wonder if it was an earlier concept that got shot down.

This looks a lot different than the renderings I initially saw for the project. The images I saw were of red brick storefronts on NW 23rd Street with peaked rooftops. I wonder if it was an earlier concept that got shot down.

Since this project has yet to be submitted to and design review committee (just the proposed closure of the back alley) it was probably more a matter of just changing their design.

This is pretty fully modeled with 3D imaging, so I suspect this will be what they go with when it does get formally submitted.

Since this project has yet to be submitted to and design review committee (just the proposed closure of the back alley) it was probably more a matter of just changing their design.

This is pretty fully modeled with 3D imaging, so I suspect this will be what they go with when it does get formally submitted.
I could pretty much do that design from existing drawings or survey and have it done and render in a couple of days. With programs like Revit or Archicad you could take the same basic model and have three different versions built and rendered in a week or two barring major changes in direction midstream....which always seems to happen.

This looks a lot different than the renderings I initially saw for the project. The images I saw were of red brick storefronts on NW 23rd Street with peaked rooftops. I wonder if it was an earlier concept that got shot down.

I like modern better.. 23rd was historically a mid century Route 66 area. This art moderne design would be far better than going Chesapeake along here.

The Rise is a silly name, but I like the urban spirit behind it. With all this new development, 23rd is looking to be OKC's longest stretch of true streetfront retail.

Saw a TV add for hotel motel liquidators. Said they were not going out of business. Is this just an ironic add?

Saw a TV add for hotel motel liquidators. Said they were not going out of business. Is this just an ironic add?

Yes.

Saw a TV add for hotel motel liquidators. Said they were not going out of business. Is this just an ironic add?

Perhaps they're moving their business. I believe their current property has already legally sold.

Perhaps they're moving their business. I believe their current property has already legally sold.

New red and white signage on the building says that "Yes We Are Open". They are doing business there daily and it looks like nothing has changed. Also the For Sale sign has not been removed from the building.

I suspect that the deal may have not gone through or either the new owners are now leasing the space back to the liquidator business.

Looks like this building sold last month. They are probably allowing them to stay until they can get tenants for the new shopping center lined up.

Leonard Sullivan Oklahoma County Assessor Real Property Detail Sheet (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R047240270)

Land Run said they wanted to get started on The Rise right away and they have their application before the design review board for approval next month.

If anyone has been in that building, they know just how much stuff is in there. I would bet they are going to stay open as long as possible to sell as much as possible before Land Run moves forward. And they'll probably sell it at unbelievably ridiculous prices. Probably worth heading over there.

Also, every time I've been there, all I've heard the owner talking about is selling the business. I would assume he won't be reopening at a new location, but that's just guessing on my part.

He already has a second location, which is a giant warehouse and yard in the Del City area. I've been there, and it makes the 23rd location look tiny. I'm guessing he's month-to-month on his lease on 23rd, and Land Run will give him notice to vacate, if they haven't already. And as full as that place is, it won't take long for a bunch of experienced guys to get it all cleared out.

The Land Run people have today submitted an application with the Urban Design Review Committee for The Rise.

Can't see the details other than it will be a renovation with a new parking lot -- probably very similar to the renderings that have already been released.

Will be reviewed at the 3/27/13 meeting.


A good sign of this project moving forward.

I also noticed today that Land Run has added for lease signs on the property directly east of The Rise, address is 603 NW 23rd.
http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/sketches/picfile/2683/R047301165001qA.jpg

^ West of the rise

With The Rise getting ready to start, I'm now hearing the Land Run Group is bringing in an experienced multi-family developer to build apartments on the area shown in pink below.

Also, there is a design application to renovate the old service station on the SW corner of 24th & Walker into a bar.


If we could just get the Tower Theater on track, this area would be close to critical mass.


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/fr23rd3.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/23rdall.jpg

Good. People living within walking distance of that stretch of 23rd will only help the momentum.

Yep. Teo and I posted the other day about just this. 23rd needs more mixed use with housing to really explode. This could be a good step in that direction. Any word on who they might be bringing in?

With The Rise getting ready to start, I'm now hearing the Land Run Group is bringing in an experienced multi-family developer to build apartments on the area shown in pink below.

Also, there is a design application to renovate the old service station on the SW corner of 24th & Walker into a bar.


If we could just get the Tower Theater on track, this area would be close to critical mass.


So what would they do with the old Bora Bora/Paseo Underground?

Also...the Multi-Family tag scares me a little bit, mainly because I don't know what that means over against "normal" development for apartments. What makes Multi-family development as opposed to Single Family or non-family?

I'm just hoping for a decent quality development here. Would it be too much to ask for something on the level of Legacy? Maybe some retail along Walker?

Haven't seen any building permits or design applications for the old Bora Bora building but I'm sure it will be renovated.

Mutli-family is just the general term for apartments or condos.


I would expect the apartments to be of good quality and design.

The Rise has it's application in front of the Urban Design Review Committee next week.

Nothing new in the renderings but it's the first we've seen of the site plan. Looks like the plan is to ultimately build another structure on Dewey just north of 23rd and renovate the two buildings along Walker.


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/rise32013a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/rise32013b.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/rise32013c.jpg

Man the RISE is going to be a sharp project, I don't get this whole Rehearsals deal with OCU, I give it 2 years tops.

Man the RISE is going to be a sharp project, I don't get this whole Rehearsals deal with OCU, I give it 2 years tops.

Might be working on something a la Jazz Lab. . . .they have been around for a while.

I'm predicting 23rd doesn't hit critical mass until The Rise is finished, housing is in place, AND the old Rainbow Records building is rehabbed. Driving by yesterday I realized how bad a shape the current owners (vacuum store) are letting the place get. Broken windows, boarded up windows, paint flaking off, etc. Sad to see such a gem rotting away on one of the most prime intersections in the state.

It would help turn things if The Rise gets some good tenants, which I fully expect they will.

If they could land Trader Joe's that would be a game-changer.


Very interested to see the residential plans for the Land Run properties north of The Rise. That will be a biggie as well.

I agree Pete. I guess my point was, it will take more than The Rise, before 23rd hits critical mass.

I'm predicting 23rd doesn't hit critical mass until The Rise is finished, housing is in place, AND the old Rainbow Records building is rehabbed. Driving by yesterday I realized how bad a shape the current owners (vacuum store) are letting the place get. Broken windows, boarded up windows, paint flaking off, etc. Sad to see such a gem rotting away on one of the most prime intersections in the state.

Critical mass is somewhat of a misnomer of this area because in a lot of ways it already is at critical mass with the multitude of housing in the area. It's just woefully undervalued and poorly kept. $50M of investment would probably create more value on 23rd than it would in any other area of town.

And the Rise is expected to be finished this Fall per their sign on the building, and they have plans for housing.

I also think that the Tower theater probably has more importance for the district reaching it's full potential than does any other building on the street.

Good point about the Tower, changed prediction: The Rise, Tower and Rainbow Records renovated before we see serious momentum start to snowball in the housing markets in Paseo, Military Park and otherwise.

I am curious if the boarded up homes to the north of what will be The Rise will be either fixed or demolished when work starts.

Those are all owned by the same group as The Rise (Land Run) and I'm told they have found a partner to develop that area into apartments.

I suspect they'll be razed soon.

I wonder if the Rise is still on track for fall of this year. The posters indicate it is, however it does not appear any work as been done. The hotels/motels/liquidation store is still up and running as of today and still jam-packed with junk.

According to this article, it is:
UpTown momentum underway in Oklahoma City | NewsOK.com (http://m.newsok.com/oklahoma-city-developers-gather-momentum-to-revive-nw-23-corridor/article/3780648)

I wonder if the Rise is still on track for fall of this year. The posters indicate it is, however it does not appear any work as been done. The hotels/motels/liquidation store is still up and running as of today and still jam-packed with junk.

They've been hauling junk out with moving vans

According to this article, it is:
UpTown momentum underway in Oklahoma City | NewsOK.com (http://m.newsok.com/oklahoma-city-developers-gather-momentum-to-revive-nw-23-corridor/article/3780648)

Soft goods to open in The Rise? Pretty vague, but that'd be just a perfect spot for Urban Outfitters! Please, please, please be an UO.

According to this article, it is:
UpTown momentum underway in Oklahoma City | NewsOK.com (http://m.newsok.com/oklahoma-city-developers-gather-momentum-to-revive-nw-23-corridor/article/3780648)

Nice article. If all goes right, this could end up becoming the urban-minded young professional district OKC has desperately needed for years. Urban Outfitters would be perfect for that area as would Trader Joe's (though I think I read that TJs was trying to be as close to Nichols Hills as possible). Hopefully the Pump Bar will get the ball rolling on the type of bar district filled with unique establishments young professionals currently drive to Tulsa to experience.

I hope a few NIMBYs don't stifle the momentum. This is a great opportunity for OKC.

Ian here(pump bar), still waiting on approval of my new okctalk user name.

The houses on the north side of 24th are paseo zoned historic and can't be razed, nor can the multifamily unit north of my site on the NW corner of 24th & walker, which is for some reason zoned historic landmark(it looks like a crackhouse). I've suggested to the developer to keep them vacant until they're viable for commercial use. They are zoned under the SPUD to be so. The new structure on 23rd & dewey per the site plan is anyone's guess. My guess is zoning for future use. A trader joes or urban outfitters would be AMAZING but realistically in the scope the neighborhood is in now that's very unlikely. However, a market in that area is desperately needed.

Ian here(pump bar), still waiting on approval of my new okctalk user name.

The houses on the north side of 24th are paseo zoned historic and can't be razed, nor can the multifamily unit north of my site on the NW corner of 24th & walker, which is for some reason zoned historic landmark(it looks like a crackhouse). I've suggested to the developer to keep them vacant until they're viable for commercial use. They are zoned under the SPUD to be so. The new structure on 23rd & dewey per the site plan is anyone's guess. My guess is zoning for future use. A trader joes or urban outfitters would be AMAZING but realistically in the scope the neighborhood is in now that's very unlikely. However, a market in that area is desperately needed.

Ian, even structures protected with historic landmark designations can be demolished, it just requires being processed through the appropriate design committee, in the case of this particular area, the Urban Design Commission.

I've heard the Land Run people intend to put new apartments on those tracts along with the adjacent vacant land. Given the state of the general area and of those homes in particular, they shouldn't have any problem getting approval for demolition.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/fr23rd2.jpg

Looks like hotel motel has officially moved. Signs are up saying that the 23rd st location is closed.

All the windows at the hotel liquidators site are covered in Kraft paper and they're tearing up the parking lot behind it. So, it looks like renovation has finally begun. I can't wait to see the faux mansard roof line go.

I'm really happy that they are getting started with work on The Rise. However, I was pretty disappointed to see that the majority of the area just north (new parking if i recall the plans correctly) was torn up and in a disturbed condition while all the silt fence (erosion control) was installed uphill of the disturbance. The stakes were driven and the fabric was stretched, but I could see nowhere that it was anchored in a trench to retain soil. Not that it will matter, as all runoff will end up flowing onto Walker Ave and almost directly into Deep Fork Creek and never see the silt fence. Ignorance or arrogance? I don't know, but this stuff isn't rocket science.

I'm really happy that they are getting started with work on The Rise. However, I was pretty disappointed to see that the majority of the area just north (new parking if i recall the plans correctly) was torn up and in a disturbed condition while all the silt fence (erosion control) was installed uphill of the disturbance. The stakes were driven and the fabric was stretched, but I could see nowhere that it was anchored in a trench to retain soil. Not that it will matter, as all runoff will end up flowing onto Walker Ave and almost directly into Deep Fork Creek and never see the silt fence. Ignorance or arrogance? I don't know, but this stuff isn't rocket science.

It happens at most construction sites across the city honestly... aggravates me too.

Pretty much all projects involving sitework are required to have a SWPP submitted and approved, now whether they are acted upon and and enforced is a completely different manner. I know that inspectors in Austin and San Antonio were sticklers for it, some were and weren't in the Houston area.

An article by Molly Fleming talking about The Rise is in this tweet.

https://twitter.com/Cassi_Sue/status/345250110692802560/photo/1

That article says The Rise is still on target for a fall opening.

That article says The Rise is still on target for a fall opening.

I'll be impressed...but...December 20th is still technically the fall, so they have some leeway.

It seemed like even a week ago there was still stuff in that building.

That article says The Rise is still on target for a fall opening.

The article also says that the front facade will stay the same. That surely wasn't in the plans that I saw released for this project...