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Bunty
09-15-2013, 12:42 PM
The recordings would be interesting to watch, because a retired NCAA investigator said on KFOR that players frequently recanted their accusations.

jn1780
09-15-2013, 01:00 PM
The recordings would be interesting to watch, because a retired NCAA investigator said on KFOR that players frequently recanted their accusations.

Who cares about the recordings at this point. What's more interesting is what these former players will say when their interviewed again by NCAA officials when their isn't a SI writer there to fill in the gaps.

Spartan
09-15-2013, 01:42 PM
You are obviously not smart enough to know that the statute of limitations will not do OSU much good on some, to many, of the issues in question. There's a bunch of people like you who have been seriously misinformed by the local media and have no clue about what OSU really faces. You can stop being a complete idiot with your uninformed shots. But please know that for OSU the bad publicity is like a punishment that will impact OSU's ability to recruit good players. Most recruits are going to be told that OSU is going on probation. This will sway more than a few to other schools.

Oh puhleeze, what school doesn't win a national championship while on probation these days? Remind me how many of OU's titles were while on probation? Ohio State was on probation for most of the Tressel years and it would've meant nothing if not for the memorabilia-for-tats scandal while they were already on probation.

You and boulder sooner have literally zero credibility here at all, but your posts are funny to read..

Spartan
09-15-2013, 01:44 PM
Your point about what OSU is and should be doing is spot on.
I said that it appeared that OSU was doing what they should at this point. That's not trolling.
I only troll pokes when they allow them self’s to be so easy to offend or are so uninformed that they dispute the truth and there is a bunch of both everywhere.

So you admit that you're a troll

kevinpate
09-15-2013, 03:05 PM
So you admit that you're a troll

Unless he maybe comes back and wants to recant that part.

RadicalModerate
09-15-2013, 03:09 PM
So you admit that you're a troll

Hold up . . . I don't see where he, his self's, makes any such admissions. =)
(don't quote me on this, but I think there is an "Aggie" joke lurking in there somewhere . . .)

OKCisOK4me
09-15-2013, 03:45 PM
Supposedly, they have recorded interviews.....

That they're never going to play and can be altered..

OKCisOK4me
09-15-2013, 03:49 PM
Sorry but there is a lot of miss information out there. I don't pretend to know it all but I do know that the local media has said things that are factually wrong and as a result some are very miss informed.
You or others shouldn't act shocked when somebody points out some of the false believes or when somebody like my self responses to ridiculous postings that are uncalled for.

When I say OSU will be investigated by the NCAA and that the NCAA has already been notify those are facts... don't take it so personal.

You're stating things that we already know due to circumstances already known.

It's not like you have to remind us that the NCAA will do their due diligence to fully investigate oSu. We're well aware of the situation.

BoulderSooner
09-16-2013, 09:10 AM
Oh puhleeze, what school doesn't win a national championship while on probation these days? Remind me how many of OU's titles were while on probation? Ohio State was on probation for most of the Tressel years and it would've meant nothing if not for the memorabilia-for-tats scandal while they were already on probation.

You and boulder sooner have literally zero credibility here at all, but your posts are funny to read..

when osu self imposes scholarship cuts and the ncaa puts them on probation in about 18 months we will revisit this thread ... until then have fun with your head in the sand ...

i am done with this thread

onthestrip
09-16-2013, 10:12 AM
when osu self imposes scholarship cuts and the ncaa puts them on probation in about 18 months we will revisit this thread ... until then have fun with your head in the sand ...

i am done with this thread

Oh, and dont forget the OSBI investigation...

jerrywall
09-16-2013, 11:13 AM
I'm sure interpol will jump in as well. Plus the CIA, and of course Scotland Yard.

David
09-16-2013, 12:43 PM
In fairness, the NSA has probably already investigated.

ou48A
09-16-2013, 02:37 PM
FYI
Fans shouldn't be surprised anymore by cheating in college sports - College Football - Michael Rosenberg - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130916/college-sports-scandals/)

jerrywall
09-16-2013, 03:06 PM
I could be ok and even largely in agreement with this article, if the author didn't turn it into another attack on OSU with lines like "attempts by Oklahoma State to use compliant media folks to spin the story in the Cowboys' favor" and such. As far as I've seen, every statement and response from OSU has been along this line...


Oklahoma State University is deeply troubled by these claims. We will investigate the accuracy of the allegations and take all appropriate action,” said OSU President Burns Hargis. “We do not condone or tolerate improper conduct in our athletic programs. OSU requires everyone affiliated with the university to follow the rules and adhere to the highest ethical standards.

And of course, the conclusion he "reaches" at the end makes the intent of the article obvious... "The SI series presented some serious evidence that the prohibited conduct happened, and that it was essentially tacitly sanctioned by the university". Really, what evidence is that? We have yet to get any of it. SI has yet to provide names, details, or recordings to OSU or the NCAA, or to the public, beyond the generic hearsay comments the repeatedly used. This article is an attempt by SI to double down, and try to steer the discussion back to the allegations, and not to the lazy and ineffective reporting and fact checking. Compare these articles, and the supporting documents (of which there are none) to the SEC piece done by Yahoo last week. SI wishes they could provide something like this, and they are desperate to remain relevant.

SI has had time to film a response from Thayer Evans, and to publish this piece which attacks the critics (and provides as much facts as the original stories). Yet, they could silence 99% of the criticism easily. Publish some of the audio. They don't even need to publish all of it. Hell, 2 sentence of Aso Pogi would do a lot, since he claims he was never even interviewed. Or segments from folks who are claiming they didn't make the stated quotes. Should be simple and easy. Yet they refuse to. Why is that?

I've said from the beginning that if there are problems or if stuff is true, then yeah, if should be fixed. And there may well be fire where there is smoke. But SI is making such a joke of this, that they're turning out to be OSU's best ally in this. And to imply that this is the "local" press who are protecting OSU, ignored the folks at ESPN, Deadspin, and other national and non-local publications which have also had serious questions. On a national level, there are quite a few folks saying that even if much of this is true (and it's likely that some at the least is) the reporting is a joke.

And I'm curious how Thayer Evens wore out multiple pairs of boots working on this. The only way I know to wear through boots that quickly is from wading in bullcrap all day.

jerrywall
09-16-2013, 03:30 PM
Sports Illustrated's series on Oklahoma St. football: the fallout - College Football - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130916/oklahoma-state-part-5-fallout/)

Part 5 is out a day early, I think. I thought it was due tomorrow. I'm curious why they rushed it out. It's interesting, but nothing earth shattering. One part is funny is how the section on Sims is contradictory of his previous statements.

AHS grad Sims reflects on what might have been at OSU, what might be at ACU » Abilene Reporter-News (http://www.reporternews.com/news/2013/apr/06/ahs-grad-sims-reflects-on-what-might-have-been/)

jerrywall
09-16-2013, 03:39 PM
"Simply blaming Thayer Evans is lazy, @SInow failed in premise,facts and one-sided reporting -- blame is everywhere" -Doug Gottlieb

OKCisOK4me
09-16-2013, 04:20 PM
"It's a few hours after his shift now, and Woods has used his tip money to put $5 of gas into a borrowed car. Although the restaurant provides a 50% discount on food for its workers, Woods says he has not eaten in nearly two days."

Read More: Sports Illustrated's series on Oklahoma St. football: the fallout - College Football - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130916/oklahoma-state-part-5-fallout/#ixzz2f5ouNG00)


Why on earth do we have to pity Artrell because he can't get his crap together?! This is such a sucker piece. I refuse to read on. Kid needs to get a life. He admits to drinking too much and smoking too much weed. That's how many years after he left oSu?? What a joke.

jerrywall
09-16-2013, 06:12 PM
Oklahoma State University Appoints Veteran NCAA Enforcement Officer To Lead Review Of Alleged Football Misconduct

Oklahoma State University (OSU) President Burns Hargis and the OSU/A&M Board of Regents jointly announced today the appointment of a former NCAA Director of Enforcement to lead an independent review of alleged misconduct in the OSU football program. The purported NCAA violations described in a series of articles published by Sports Illustrated occurred primarily between 2001 and 2007.

“While the articles do not implicate any current coaches or players to have direct involvement in any alleged misconduct, we have a responsibility to confront these disturbing reports head on and with complete transparency,” Hargis said.

“With the strong support of the OSU Board of Regents, I have authorized a thorough and expeditious investigation. To assure that the investigation is unwavering in its pursuit of the truth, the university has retained Charles E. Smrt, a veteran NCAA enforcement officer and one of the foremost experts in the compliance field, to serve as lead independent investigator,” Hargis said.

Tucker Link, chairman of the OSU/A&M Board of Regents, said, “The OSU Regents treat this matter with the utmost seriousness and fully endorse the selection of Mr. Smrt to conduct the investigation. We must determine, based on credible sources and confirmed facts, whether the claims made in a series of Sports Illustrated articles have any truth to them.

“But let there be no doubt, the OSU Board of Regents does not and will not condone illegal, immoral and unethical conduct or conduct that violates applicable rules,” Link said. “We will work with President Hargis to take appropriate action based on what the investigation determines should the claims prove to have any merit.”

Smrt said, “I appreciate the unfettered access and cooperation that President Hargis has offered to help me carry out my review. He has asked me to pursue the facts wherever they may lead. I assured him that I will do so, and that I will conduct the review with care and urgency.”

Smrt is President and Founder of The Compliance Group, a Lenexa, Kansas, based consulting firm that specializes in compliance audits and the review of information concerning potential NCAA violations. Prior to founding The Compliance Group in 1999, Smrt was on the NCAA enforcement staff for almost 18 years as Director of Enforcement and Director of Enforcement Supervisor for the NCAA in Overland Park, Kansas.

Mike Holder, Vice President of Athletics at OSU, said that even though some have called into question aspects of the story, he applauds the Board of Regents and President Hargis for undertaking a comprehensive review. “We welcome the scrutiny,” Holder said.

OSU’s Head Football Coach Mike Gundy said, “I support a quick and complete review. I am proud of our football program. And I can assure everyone we are committed as coaches and staff to winning the right way.”

jerrywall
09-16-2013, 06:14 PM
Editorial: OSU stands proud in weeklong test | Tulsa World (http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Editorial_OSU_stands_proud_in_week_long_test/20130915_61_G6_Lastwe760723)

OKCisOK4me
09-16-2013, 06:25 PM
I think oSu made a smrt decision.

jerrywall
09-16-2013, 06:34 PM
Will the next SI investigation be to see who stole the vowels from his last name?

bluedogok
09-16-2013, 11:02 PM
Who cares about the recordings at this point. What's more interesting is what these former players will say when their interviewed again by NCAA officials when their isn't a SI writer there to fill in the gaps.
Just like with the Manziel stuff, some brokers were more than willing to talk to the press but wouldn't say a thing to the NCAA.

Laramie
09-17-2013, 10:41 AM
Didn't waste my time reading any of those parts put out by SI... That was their intent--'The Dirt' is what they should have titled it and not 'The Dirty Game.' Anyway, I didn't read it because there was so much hype in the TV media put out in the wake of it being released about it that I didn't want to fall into SI's web.

jerrywall
09-18-2013, 04:34 PM
hehe...

6 Scandals That Could Tear Apart Your Local Pee-Wee Football Team - SportsPickle | SportsPickle (http://www.sportspickle.com/2013/09/6-scandals-that-could-tear-apart-your-local-pee-wee-football-team)

Just the facts
09-18-2013, 06:10 PM
How about pee-wee dropout now working two jobs: mowing lawns and washing cars.

Or

Most pee-wee players still live with mom and dad after careers are over.

Laramie
09-18-2013, 08:58 PM
How about pee-wee dropout now working two jobs: mowing lawns and washing cars.

Or

Most pee-wee players still live with mom and dad after careers are over.

What's the difference between that and college bread? "College bread is a four year loaf made out of the old man's dough."

ou48A
09-19-2013, 11:49 AM
The sad thing is that this same basic article could have been written about every OKC TV station. The DOK and most local sports talk show host..... The out of state coverage on this story not been nearly so one sided and as dismissive of the SI article.

I cover Oklahoma State. I went to Oklahoma State. I love Oklahoma State. You have an agenda. | Jeff Pearlman (http://www.jeffpearlman.com/i-cover-oklahoma-state-i-went-to-oklahoma-state-i-love-oklahoma-state-you-have-an-agenda/)

AP
09-19-2013, 11:57 AM
The sad thing is that this same basic article could have been written about every OKC TV station. The DOK and most local sports talk show host..... The out of state coverage on this story not been nearly so one sided and as dismissive of the SI article.

I cover Oklahoma State. I went to Oklahoma State. I love Oklahoma State. You have an agenda. | Jeff Pearlman (http://www.jeffpearlman.com/i-cover-oklahoma-state-i-went-to-oklahoma-state-i-love-oklahoma-state-you-have-an-agenda/)

The sad thing is, you want so badly for this to be a huge deal when in reality it isn't.

ou48A
09-19-2013, 12:08 PM
The sad thing is, you want so badly for this to be a huge deal when in reality it isn't.

When it makes Jay Leno, several times, it is a big deal.
Rather you and others are honest enough or not to acknowledge that it is a big deal
is more a mater of living in a true state of denial or not.

Watch Jay Leno at the 1:45 mark in this video....
Right or wrong, this is what the nation is seeing, like it or not.

Monologue, Part 1 | Video | The Tonight Show | NBC (http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/monologue-part-1/n40769)

Bunty
09-19-2013, 12:13 PM
When it makes Jay Leno, several times, it is a big deal.
Rather you and others are honest enough or not to acknowledge that it is a big deal
is more a mater of living in a true state of denial or not.

Watch Jay Leno at the 1:45 mark in this video....
Right or wrong, this is what the nation is seeing, like it or not.

Monologue, Part 1 | Video | The Tonight Show | NBC (http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/monologue-part-1/n40769)
But most people of the nation have a negative perception of Oklahoma, if one at all, so OSU troubles are probably not going to make much difference to outsiders. It's just more bad stuff coming out about Oklahoma.

jn1780
09-19-2013, 12:28 PM
OSU story has pretty much lost steam nationally. Who would have thought, College students being college students and a couple of college dropouts saying illegal activities were sanction by OSU officials is boring to the national media.

jerrywall
09-19-2013, 02:52 PM
The sad thing is that this same basic article could have been written about every OKC TV station. The DOK and most local sports talk show host..... The out of state coverage on this story not been nearly so one sided and as dismissive of the SI article.

I cover Oklahoma State. I went to Oklahoma State. I love Oklahoma State. You have an agenda. | Jeff Pearlman (http://www.jeffpearlman.com/i-cover-oklahoma-state-i-went-to-oklahoma-state-i-love-oklahoma-state-you-have-an-agenda/)

Really? Because just about every national and out of state I've seen has been very, very dismissive. Feel free to provide samples to the contrary. There's a reason why the editors have been doing interviews and such on the process of the story creation, rather than the writers giving interviews on the story itself. It's also the reason Thayer Evens has been on complete radio silence this week, and why SI pulled this as a "featured" story from their site.

jerrywall
09-19-2013, 03:01 PM
Boone Pickens twitter post trashing SI? 1,201 RETWEETS 526 FAVORITES.

Post of Part 5 of the Series? 16 RETWEETS 16 FAVORITES.

Yeah, I see what the nation is seeing. It just doesn't match your narrative.

The funny thing? 2 weeks ago I was actually nervous. Now SI is the one hoping this story will quietly go away...

onthestrip
09-19-2013, 03:50 PM
The sad thing is that this same basic article could have been written about every OKC TV station. The DOK and most local sports talk show host..... The out of state coverage on this story not been nearly so one sided and as dismissive of the SI article.

I cover Oklahoma State. I went to Oklahoma State. I love Oklahoma State. You have an agenda. | Jeff Pearlman (http://www.jeffpearlman.com/i-cover-oklahoma-state-i-went-to-oklahoma-state-i-love-oklahoma-state-you-have-an-agenda/)

You do realize that the local media would have reacted the same if the story was about OU, right?. Or are you just upset there hasnt been more of a backlash against OSU from a joke of an article? And its not just local people that reacted this way to this article. The majority of national writers saw it as BS too. You seem to be one of the few that think this has much legs. I know, I know, all the rest of us are naive...

To further illustrate your constant OSU hyperbole, this was written by you last december when Gundy was looking into other jobs:

"No matter how much spin OSU fans want to put on this it’s another embarrassing chapter in OSU athletics that have involved several important decision makers at the university in the past 12 or so years. Since OSU athletics do accept state tax dollars for funding at some point state officials maybe need to step in and make sure things are being done correctly."

Yes, that was so embarrassing... And I cant believe state officials didnt look into OSU because the football coach entertained interest from other schools. How scandalous!

kevinpate
09-20-2013, 12:27 AM
Whatever has or has not happened up in Stillwater, if one is reduced to relying on Leno including it as a punchline to support how serious the matter is ....

OKCisOK4me
09-20-2013, 04:19 PM
When it makes Jay Leno, several times, it is a big deal.
Rather you and others are honest enough or not to acknowledge that it is a big deal
is more a mater of living in a true state of denial or not.

Watch Jay Leno at the 1:45 mark in this video....
Right or wrong, this is what the nation is seeing, like it or not.

Monologue, Part 1 | Video | The Tonight Show | NBC (http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/monologue-part-1/n40769)

Ya know, if the scandal at ou had not happened in the 1980s but had happened today, you'd be hiding under a rock and not even logging on to the internet!

ou48A
09-20-2013, 05:28 PM
Ya know, if the scandal at ou had not happened in the 1980s but had happened today, you'd be hiding under a rock and not even logging on to the internet!
That's such total BS.... BIG TIME... but yet your hate grows
Just as I did in the late 1980's would be demanding accountability from those in charge just as I did at the time. You really are disillusion and have no clue that there are real questions that need real answers from OSU officials. Responsible people at OSU will doing their best to get to the bottom of this mess. Thankfully for OSU's sake and for our state people with higher standards than you are going to decided the course of the OSU investigation.

The great difference between the most of OSU fans (not all) and most OU fan can be seen by comparing this thread and the OU band thread.... On that thread you see most OU people including me being critical of the OU leadership to some degree and wanting the problem made better. As can be seen I am critic of OU when I feel its necessary.
On this thread, by far most (not all) OSU fan's are not critical of what their leadership could have done better. But instead most OSU people are blaming others for their problems, an indication of a real insecurity in who they are...
What OU people are doing may not always be pretty, but it holds the OU leadership accountable to some degree and in the long run make OU a better place for it.

ou48A
09-20-2013, 05:29 PM
Really? Because just about every national and out of state I've seen has been very, very dismissive. Feel free to provide samples to the contrary. There's a reason why the editors have been doing interviews and such on the process of the story creation, rather than the writers giving interviews on the story itself. It's also the reason Thayer Evens has been on complete radio silence this week, and why SI pulled this as a "featured" story from their site.


Oklahoma State football: Enough backpedaling for chatty ex-Cowboys | News OK (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-state-football-enough-backpedaling-for-chatty-ex-cowboys/article/3884849)


At least Tramel is finally honest enough now to admit there are questions about OSU that need to be ask and that their will be some fall out for OSU “for about 2 years”

ou48A
09-20-2013, 05:33 PM
Whatever has or has not happened up in Stillwater, if one is reduced to relying on Leno including it as a punchline to support how serious the matter is ....
Perhaps your unaware that this story made Bill O Reilly and most national news broadcast that don't normally cover sports.
Those who seek to down play the coverage that this got show how uniformed they really are

ou48A
09-20-2013, 05:39 PM
You do realize that the local media would have reacted the same if the story was about OU, right?.

That's ^just nuts.
There is a history here that shows more favorable coverage for the pokes and a willingness to give OSU the benefit of the doubt on these types of issues.
I has to laugh last night when somebody called Kelly Ogle, Baghdad Ogle for the spin PR firm OSU hired.

OKCisOK4me
09-20-2013, 11:41 PM
That's such total BS.... BIG TIME... but yet your hate grows
Just as I did in the late 1980's would be demanding accountability from those in charge just as I did at the time. You really are disillusion and have no clue that there are real questions that need real answers from OSU officials. Responsible people at OSU will doing their best to get to the bottom of this mess. Thankfully for OSU's sake and for our state people with higher standards than you are going to decided the course of the OSU investigation.

The great difference between the most of OSU fans (not all) and most OU fan can be seen by comparing this thread and the OU band thread.... On that thread you see most OU people including me being critical of the OU leadership to some degree and wanting the problem made better. As can be seen I am critic of OU when I feel its necessary.
On this thread, by far most (not all) OSU fan's are not critical of what their leadership could have done better. But instead most OSU people are blaming others for their problems, an indication of a real insecurity in who they are...
What OU people are doing may not always be pretty, but it holds the OU leadership accountable to some degree and in the long run make OU a better place for it.

Again with the personal shots.

I don't have hatred, I have a dislike for the crap you spew through the keyboard. You don't need to talk crap about oSu fans you know absolutely nothing about. We can meet in person and we can both make judgements about each other after speaking with each other. Until then, you need to set your feelings aside. You're the young Skywalker...

kevinpate
09-21-2013, 05:04 AM
Perhaps your unaware that this story made Bill O Reilly and most national news broadcast that don't normally cover sports.
Those who seek to down play the coverage that this got show how uniformed they really are

Or perhaps I am unimpressed when lemmings 19-23 follow the ones before them over the edge of a cliff. There may be more not yet revealed about what has happened at OSU. There may be overstatements on what was revealed thus far. Honestly, until someone drops a final report that has some teeth to it, I don't much care. Once that report comes out, if there are heads to roll, let them roll. If there are some jobs to be gone, let them be gone. If there are only wrists to be spanked, let them be spanked and doughnuts withheld. But there will need to be a lot more than what SI reported before anything other than some sore wrists and an oversupply of doughnuts are the end results.

Purely as an aside, I'm uncertain mentioning Bill O was much stronger than mentioning Leno previously. To each their own I suppose.

WilliamTell
09-21-2013, 06:07 AM
I haven't touched this thread because I knew the outcome before it happened. As an OSU grad I knew someone who didn't graduate from college let alone OU, would come here and scream their head off about how horrible osu is and how we are going to pay.

So very predictable.

ou48A
09-21-2013, 08:31 AM
Time to get rid of football escort services

Time to Get Rid of Campus Hostesses in College Football | LostLettermen.com (http://www.lostlettermen.com/get-rid-of-cfb-recruiting-hostesses/)

OKCisOK4me
09-21-2013, 10:20 AM
Hey fellow oSu fans...don't respond to ou48A here anymore. I sent him a personal message last night telling him that we can meet in person and he can say those things to my face and he hasn't responded one iota. He's just trolling and I'm done with him.

Laramie
09-21-2013, 12:03 PM
This is a very unfortuante situation for OSU's football program. On the otherhand who knows, it could be a blessing in disguise. It has garnered a lot of attention toward OSU athletics. The school administration appears to be handling this bad publicity with its own neutral investation and with strategic PR they will put the school on the right path. Will this piece of investigative reporting by SI backfire on the sports media giant?

One thing is obvious, SI appears to have put more credibility with past players--especially those who may have had an ax to grind with the university; this is evident by those who are coming out and expressing their displeasure with the way SI handled the reporting of this incident.

As an OU fan, this debacle played out with us and SMU long ago. The resulting consequences could be detrimental to the life of a program if the NCAA decides to make an example from alledged violations if some are proven to be true. Do you punish those who have come in to clean up the program since many of those allegations stem back when Les Miles was head coach? Who can predict at this stage as to how the NCAA is going to handle these allegations? They (NCAA) have been known to lower the hammer on some programs and give others a slight tap on the wrist.

OKCisOK4me
09-21-2013, 12:56 PM
Thayer's article wasn't a penny on the track to derail the oSu train, it was a semi trailer full of BS parked on a road crossing and we all know what happened when that orange train hit the semi...lol.

jn1780
09-21-2013, 05:50 PM
Perhaps your unaware that this story made Bill O Reilly and most national news broadcast that don't normally cover sports.
Those who seek to down play the coverage that this got show how uniformed they really are

There was heavy national coverage when the first part of the article came out. Then the national media quickly lost interest when they realized nothing could be heavy substantiated. I'm looking at Google news results and most of the news came the first day of the series, but obviously its an OSU fan conspiracy to hide the truth.

OKCisOK4me
09-21-2013, 06:57 PM
There was heavy national coverage when the first part of the article came out. Then the national media quickly lost interest when they realized nothing could be heavy substantiated. I'm looking at Google news results and most of the news came the first day of the series, but obviously its an OSU fan conspiracy to hide the truth.

I sense sarcasm...lol.

Dubya61
10-22-2013, 12:59 PM
Speaking of NCAA sanctions:

Miami receives loss of 12 scholarships (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/miami-receives-loss-scholarships-ncaa-infractions-case-153806891--ncaaf.html)


Miami did not dispute the violations, which included 18 allegations of misconduct and 79 other issues.

Between the self-imposed sanctions and the ones handed down by the NCAA on Tuesday, Miami’s punishments were some of the harshest ever received by a university, but they did not come remotely close to reaching the level of the dreaded “death penalty” that many feared when the case began.

I can't recall how Miami responded when it was first revealed, but with this article, they seem down right respectable compared to Penn State's whining.

Laramie
10-22-2013, 02:34 PM
Let's face it; times have changed as to how and who the NCAA decides to hand out sanctions. They are pleased when programs police themselves, especially when there is an overkill on your own program--the NCAA says nothing. If you don't place tough enough sanctions on your program, the NCAA wil intervene and insist that you didn't do enough. The NCAA infractions enforcement process does provide legal counsel assistance regarding the NCAA infractions.

The death penalty is the popular term for the NCAA's power to ban a school from competing in a sport for at least one year. It is the harshest penalty that a member school can receive.

It has been implemented only five times:

1.The University of Kentucky basketball program for the 1952–53 season.[1]
2.The basketball program at the University of Southwestern Louisiana (now the University of Louisiana at Lafayette) for the 1973–74 and 1974–75 seasons.
3.The Southern Methodist University football program for the 1987 and 1988 seasons.
4.The Division II men's soccer program at Morehouse College for the 2004 and 2005 seasons.
5.The Division III men's tennis program at MacMurray College for the 2005–06 and 2006–07 seasons.

In the 1980s, two other Division I men's basketball programs, San Francisco (1982) and Tulane (1985), self-imposed "death penalties" after revelations of major NCAA violations. These "death penalties" respectively lasted three and four seasons.
--Death penalty (NCAA) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA))

The Southern Methodist University football scandal was an incident in which the football program at Southern Methodist University was investigated and punished for massive violations of NCAA rules and regulations. The most serious violation was the maintenance of a slush fund used for "under the table" payments to players from the mid-1970s through 1986. This culminated in the NCAA handing down the so-called "death penalty" by canceling SMU's entire 1987 schedule. SMU was allowed to return for an abbreviated 1988 season, but opted to sit that season out as well after school officials determined it would be impossible to field a viable team.

The severity of the penalty left the SMU football program in ruin. The Mustangs had only one winning season over the next 20 years and failed to make another bowl game until 2009. To date, it is one of the most severe penalties ever imposed on a Division I program, and the only time the NCAA has canceled a football-playing school's entire season at any level.--Southern Methodist University football scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Methodist_University_football_scandal)