Dangit, I can't help myself. As far as I know, Fath' Carter is the ONLY one backing his story to SI.

But wait a minute...
SC Feed - SportsCenter - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/espn/sportscenter/feed/#1-9665724)

"...Some aspects of the story of former Oklahoma State safety Fath' Carter, who was quoted extensively in Sports Illustrated's series about the Cowboys' football program, were shown to not be true, according to documents obtained by ESPN...."

"Among the claims by Carter that are not supported by university documents were that he graduated from the school and attended classes in 2004 with running back Tatum Bell, where the professor gave them a failing grade because their eligibility had expired..."

ALSO-

"Another discrepancy was from running back Dexter Pratt, who told SI that in his first semester, in 2009, every course he took was online. According to university records, Pratt took three online courses and two actual classes."

"In Tuesday's SI report, Carter said he graduated from OSU with a degree in education. George Dorhmann, one of two SI reporters who reported the stories, also said on The Doug Gottlieb Show Tuesday that "Fait' (Carter) has two degrees from Oklahoma State, spoke on the record, recorded. I have no reason to believe he lied. And he's certainly not disgruntled."


Carter didn't have two degrees. Carter attended OSU from 2000-05 but never graduated at all from the school, according to the university's registrar office."

"Carter also told SI that he and Bell were in the same classes and got A's and then had the same instructor again in 2004 but both got F's, Carter said......However, Bell wasn't at Oklahoma State in 2004. He withdrew from school after the 2003 fall semester, according to his OSU transcript that he provided to ESPN."

The NCAA is not required to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
All they need is probable cause to believe, which puts OSU and anyone seeking to minimize this in a very weak position.


Again

The NCAA is not required to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
All they need is probable cause to believe, which puts OSU and anyone seeking to minimize this in a very weak position.

Again...what is your background with regard to NCAA violations? Do you have experience in this field? I don't want to hear 'well I know people who have dealt with these things before'. That's not credibility. That's just you knowing someone. If you don't have any personal experience with the subject matter then you need tp step down from the stage.

. If you don't have any personal experience with the subject matter then you need tp step down from the stage.

None of us can have an opinion by your standards

Documents undermine some Oklahoma State Cowboys accusers - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9665724/documents-undermine-some-oklahoma-state-cowboys-accusers)

ESPN is on this...

Documents undermine some Oklahoma State Cowboys accusers - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9665724/documents-undermine-some-oklahoma-state-cowboys-accusers)

ESPN is on this...

See, the whole point is we don't know what went on. We don't.

So for anyone to start tossing around unilateral declarations that there absolutely will be penalties or there absolutely was LOIC because there absolutely were all these infractions is chewing the scenery.

Maybe there were. Maybe there weren't. I certainly don't know, and don't pretend to. We have allegations, and as for me, I'm going to let the NCAA deal with it.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...lahoma_st.html


Today, Sports Illustrated spokesperson Scott Novak issued the following statement to cleveland.com:


"The facts of the matter are that a team of award-winning reporters conducted a 10-month investigation that included [B]on-the-record recorded interviews with 60-plus individual players from the Oklahoma State program. Any attempt to discredit an individual reporter is an attempt to deflect the matter at hand.''

From Steve's twitter feed:

"OSU fans, you may enjoy hearing that this whole ordeal may end up with an examination of @thayerevanssi work that could end his career..."

***Edit: Tried to embed, but it wouldn't work.

OSU currently has 99 suites. All were sold out last year and this. 7,000+sf of more suites are supposed to be finished for this year. And, correct, club level seats havent ever sold out. Which is not surprising because buying a club level ticket that is on the goal line for like $250 a game plus a yearly donation just doesnt make sense for most. Much better seats to be had for less money.
OSU's Boone Pickens Stadium gets more suites | Tulsa World (http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/OSUs_Boone_Pickens_Stadium_gets_more_suites/20130302_93_b2_hosusb187693)

And now back to our regularly scheduled OSU bashing..

That's the thing, this is OKC Talk. OU is in a suburb, might as well be discussing this topic on Land Thieves. Granted the north side is more orange, but of the state's metros, and as much as i prefer OKC, it's the crimson one. Let's keep that in mind while we explore this topic with the likes of ou48a and bouldersooner.

I dont really care to burn a quality transit and development advocate/poster even though he is unabashedly wrong every time on NCAAF.

On a side note, personally-written (or contrived) statements by athletes always make me cringe LOL

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...lahoma_st.html


Today, Sports Illustrated spokesperson Scott Novak issued the following statement to cleveland.com:


"The facts of the matter are that a team of award-winning reporters conducted a 10-month investigation that included [B]on-the-record recorded interviews with 60-plus individual players from the Oklahoma State program. Any attempt to discredit an individual reporter is an attempt to deflect the matter at hand.''

I say turn over the FULL ORIGINAL recordings and let everyone be the judge. What is there to hide? Unless the original recordings have since been doctored/edited to make the statements work. Call me suspicious...especially if they code-named this project Genoa. ;)

I say turn over the FULL ORIGINAL recordings and let everyone be the judge. What is there to hide? Unless the original recordings have since been doctored/edited to make the statements work. Call me suspicious...especially if they code-named this project Genoa. ;) I can agree with you about getting the tapes out in the public, but I doubt that very much of it comes out very soon. One thing we can bet on is that SI attorneys have reviewed every last letter and tape of their material and have CYA for SI and their writers.
But the NCAA and possibly legal authority will need to be the ultimate judge on this

...
I just wish all this extremism on both sides would cool off.
...
Why can't people accept a reasonable middle ground in this that suggests the absolute truth in this is at neither end of the spectrum? The extreme ends of either side of this sound abjectly silly.


Folks do seem to look/sound more and more like those they elect to public office. I suppose it is safe to say Fringe is In during the current decade.

I say turn over the FULL ORIGINAL recordings and let everyone be the judge. What is there to hide? Unless the original recordings have since been doctored/edited to make the statements work. Call me suspicious...especially if they code-named this project Genoa. ;)

That will only happen if someone files a libel lawsuit. I doubt there will be one because SI has already run all the recordings by their lawyers and are confident in their story and I doubt anyone at OSU wants the full transcripts to come out.

None of us can have an opinion by your standards

Okay, personal experience has nothing to do with opinions and technically by that statement you'd be talking about yourself with regard to us delusional Pokes fans ;-)

I can tell you about tuxedo rentals and sales because I've been in the business for 11 years. You can't tell me you know anything about it because you've had a friend who's rented one or owns one.

^^^that's an analogy to help you understand what I was getting at.


http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...lahoma_st.html


Today, Sports Illustrated spokesperson Scott Novak issued the following statement to cleveland.com:


"The facts of the matter are that a team of award-winning reporters conducted a 10-month investigation that included [B]on-the-record recorded interviews with 60-plus individual players from the Oklahoma State program. Any attempt to discredit an individual reporter is an attempt to deflect the matter at hand.''

And again, if you've been listening to the sports coverage of big dawgs on sports stations, you'll be made aware of the fact that of those 60 players, only 9 of them mentioned all of the alleged information.

I feel like I'm talking to a wall here...

Talking to a wall? I've been there and done that. Maybe it's time to move on...

It is going to be interesting watching the outcome of this Sports Illustrated 'so-called' investigative reporting being done against Oklahoma State. Do they feel that because this is Oklahoma State that they can just walk over the Cowboys? I'm a UCO-OU undergrad/graduate as well as having taken some institutes at OSU and TU. Oklahoma has some very fine universities and colleges; as far as overall academics, they don't fall in the same catagory as TU, Rice or Texas A&M.

OU, OSU, OCU, TU and UCO does produce some of the finest individuals who can compete on any level. I've work in Texas and seen the environments where you have these graduates with high IQs and totally lacking in the production world or leadership levels where they have to deal with basic human interaction and day-to-day sundry operations.

Universities and colleges throughout Oklahoma will give you a good quality education for less than the tuition and fees you'll pay at comparable institutions.

I am proud to call Oklahoma home.

I'm curious why part 4 isn't up yet. Something may be going on at SI this morning...

Maybe someone higher up the editorial chain realized that letting an OU fan finish publishing their badly sourced exposé on OSU was a bad idea.

Sports Illustrated's series on Oklahoma St. football: The Sex - College Football - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130913/oklahoma-state-part-4-the-sex/?sct=hp_t11_a2&eref=sihp)

It's up now. This seems to be the least of the 4 in terms of allegations. It seems to basically say, groupies had sex with players, without the coaches knowledge...

Gasp, for such a thing to happen in collegiate athletics. The horror.

Gasp, for such a thing to happen in collegiate athletics. The horror. Yesterday and today we learned that some college students drink, smoke pot and have sex on campus. Never, ever would have guessed that!

For those of you that Reddit...

[–]worriedgirl1796 35 points 2 hours ago
Guys, I think we might have gotten things backwards, it kind of seems like OSU is doing an exposé on these terrible SI writers
•[–]Oklahoma State Cowboysamidwx 20 points 1 hour ago
I'll just wait here for my Pulitzer.

OSU Report: Part 4 : CFB (http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/1mbnkh/osu_report_part_4/)

SI is going down if flames

SI is going down if flames

no relevance

no relevance

I think what is being point out is the writers are questioning the objectification of women at OSU, while SI are themselves objectifying women.

With that being said, how can you say there is no relevance? Unless, you are consciously turning a blind eye to help validate their series.

With that being said, how can you say there is no relevance? Unless, you are consciously turning a blind eye to help validate their series.

I believe it violates his posting premise: 2-4 words at a time, no context.

I'm not dense enough to believe that there weren't any issues at OSU, but I'm starting to really doubt that SI has any kind of "smoking gun" evidence that some of the posters here (and obviously the writers of the story) believe they have.

With that being said, how can you say there is no relevance? Unless, you are consciously turning a blind eye to help validate their series.

if you think si's osu series and the website having a cheerleader of the week are related .. than I'm not sure i can help you ..

if you think si's osu series and the website having a cheerleader of the week are related .. than I'm not sure i can help you ..

It's about objectifying women. How can SI, in a series of articles, decry that the college athletic system is allowing this to happen then post pictures (cheerleader of the week, NFL cheerleaders, SI Swim stuff, Extra Mustard pictures) that do the exact same thing?

Is that really so hard to see?

It's about objectifying women. How can SI, in a series of articles, decry that the college athletic system is allowing this to happen then post pictures (cheerleader of the week, NFL cheerleaders, SI Swim stuff, Extra Mustard pictures) that do the exact same thing?

Is that really so hard to see?

so implying that coaches may have pushed girls to have sex/ pushed football player host to "get recruits" laid ... is comparable to the swimsuit issue and nfl cheerleaders ...

wow .. again not sure i can help you ..

How can Evans every show his face in public again?

More gold...Johnson: SI report is ?bogus? » Sports » Tahlequah Daily Press (http://tahlequahdailypress.com/sports/x72686717/Johnson-SI-report-is-bogus)

"...In a story released by Sports Illustrated on Thursday, Johnson — who missed playing time because of a knee injury — was used as an example to expose the inconsistencies in Oklahoma State’s drug policy. In the report, Johnson was quoted as saying, “If I didn’t get hurt, I probably could have p—ssed dirty again and they would have been like, ‘just don’t do it.’ But when I got hurt it was a whole different [story]. They were just going to find a way to get me off the team.” When told of the quote in the widely-known national sports publication, Johnson told the Tahlequah Daily Press, “I never said that. I told them, ‘I p—ssed dirty. That’s why I left.’” ..."-

"...Johnson said he was led to believe that Evans wanted to catch up with him and see how his career was panning out after his days at Oklahoma State. ..."-

"...A Northeastern State official confirmed that Evans circumvented the system and set up an interview without getting permission from the university...."

How can Evans every show his face in public again?

More gold...Johnson: SI report is ?bogus? » Sports » Tahlequah Daily Press (http://tahlequahdailypress.com/sports/x72686717/Johnson-SI-report-is-bogus)

"...In a story released by Sports Illustrated on Thursday, Johnson — who missed playing time because of a knee injury — was used as an example to expose the inconsistencies in Oklahoma State’s drug policy. In the report, Johnson was quoted as saying, “If I didn’t get hurt, I probably could have p—ssed dirty again and they would have been like, ‘just don’t do it.’ But when I got hurt it was a whole different [story]. They were just going to find a way to get me off the team.” When told of the quote in the widely-known national sports publication, Johnson told the Tahlequah Daily Press, “I never said that. I told them, ‘I p—ssed dirty. That’s why I left.’” ..."-

"...Johnson said he was led to believe that Evans wanted to catch up with him and see how his career was panning out after his days at Oklahoma State. ..."-

"...A Northeastern State official confirmed that Evans circumvented the system and set up an interview without getting permission from the university...."

because he didn't write the story .. and all the tapes were listened to and someone else wrote the story ..

again if SI is lying .. sue them ... and then the tapes will come out .. i don't think osu or any of the players want that

implying

That's all they did. Implied... no named sources, no proof (offered; if they have it, they didn't put it in the article). If the coaches did this, I have no sympathy for them. But at no point does it say it happened.

Why are you so quick to accept everything in these articles?

That's all they did. Implied... no named sources, no proof (offered; if they have it, they didn't put it in the article). If the coaches did this, I have no sympathy for them. But at no point does it say it happened.

Why are you so quick to accept everything in these articles?

never said that accepted anything from the articles ... but they did interview players and ex coaches/staff members ..

if you think none of it is true you have your head in the sand i think there is little doubt the joe deforest was/is dirty

never said that accepted anything from the articles ... but they did interview players and ex coaches/staff members ..

if you think none of it is true you have your head in the sand i think there is little doubt the joe deforest was/is dirty

You obviously don't read full posts because I never said none of this was true; I'd be shocked if it turns out absolutely nothing happened. I just don't think it was an institutionalized endeavor. I don't need you to tell me if my head is in the sand or anywhere else. I've learned that, at least when it comes to OSU, there are several posters here who will believe anything that looks bad. That's fine; I'm not here to change your mind. But I'm also not going to believe everything in a report that has been slammed by many of the ex-players who were interviewed. I'm not going to believe reporters who didn't even bother to interview (or even request an interview!) with OSU's academic director about academic misconduct.

I'll wait for the independent investigator and the NCAA to take a look. If they come out with the same evidence, then I will criticize my alma mater more fiercely than anyone. I hope that OSU will take a serious look at everything and make sure nothing like this can ever happen on campus (or again, if all this is really true). Just because I don't accept these reports as gospel truth as you do...

because he didn't write the story .. and all the tapes were listened to and someone else wrote the story ..

again if SI is lying .. sue them ... and then the tapes will come out .. i don't think osu or any of the players want that

That's what everybody wants. Literally every player that commented has said, listen to the tapes, I didn't say that. What is wrong with you? It's like you are just ignoring every bit of evidence that has come out that is saying this stuff is wrong, and for what? To see OSU go down? How do you benefit from that?

so implying that coaches may have pushed girls to have sex/ pushed football player host to "get recruits" laid ... is comparable to the swimsuit issue and nfl cheerleaders ...

wow .. again not sure i can help you ..

Not sure I can help you after the fact of jumping off the bridge cause apparently you believe everything you read when it comes to your little brother football program being written about.

Oklahoma State football: Analyzing Sports Illustrated's Sex installment | News OK (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-state-football-analyzing-sports-illustrateds-sex-installment/article/3882389?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Berry Tramel has done a decent job of analyzing each segment, and I especially feel this one is spot on.

4393

This certainly gets a lot right about the situation.

Jeff Pearlman (http://www.jeffpearlman.com/)

Former Orange Pride Member: 'We Were Never 1-On-1 With Recruits - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com | (http://www.newson6.com/story/23428505/orange-pride-girls)

Oh look, the named orange pride member from SI both wasn't in orange pride, and wasn't even enrolled in the time period that SI says she was. Good fact checking...

This certainly gets a lot right about the situation.

Jeff Pearlman (http://www.jeffpearlman.com/)

He has something in common with Thayer. He likes to lead. Doesn't matter who. Thayer led his interviewees. Pearlman is leading his readers.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Oklahoma State alumni will demand a clean system even if only 20% of the crap that has been alleged is true. Who wouldn't?

So beyond sharing this guys piece, what's your point?



What I'd like to see be done is that when you sign that letter of intent to play at whatever school you choose to play at, it should be deemed by contract that if you play in college sports, get caught doing something against NCAA regulations, or even certain team violations that aren't disclosed to the public, that you can never have a future in youth/adult sports programs on any level (elementary, middle school, high school, college, or professional). Think about that! How many college athletes that get a degree or leave college early to play professional sports end up being in coaching or some other career aspect associated with sports?? I think that would make a lot of college players second guess their decisions based on the potential affect it could have on their future self. How hard would that be?

no relevance

Fan's and the local media can scream all they want about SI and the holes in the article but it has “no relevance” to the end game..... OSU WILL still be extensively investigated by the NCAA.

When the NCAA is involved they are going to find things that SI never would.
The good news for the pokes is that from all appearances they are fully cooperating with the NCAA, this will likely help reduce any sanctions.

I'm to the point where I truly think this story is 100% fiction. Some of it might actually go on, but Evans and the other guy completely made up everything they wrote. There is 0 evidence. My 7 th grade English teacher would give me an F if I turned that crap in.

I don't think it is 100% made up, much like some of the OU scandals in the late 80's there are pieces of truth that get blown out of proportion and embellished by the media who take that and run with it.

Fan's and the local media can scream all they want about SI and the holes in the article but it has “no relevance” to the end game..... OSU WILL still be extensively investigated by the NCAA.

When the NCAA is involved they are going to find things that SI never would.
The good news for the pokes is that from all appearances they are fully cooperating with the NCAA, this will likely help reduce any sanctions.

Looks like 48 has been hangin out in the "weed circle". I suppose the NCAA is going to find out all sorts of things on reported transgressions that our outside their statute of limitations with their amazing power to depose people? Please.

Brandon Everage wants his bong back.

I'm to the point where I truly think this story is 100% fiction. Some of it might actually go on, but Evans and the other guy completely made up everything they wrote. There is 0 evidence. My 7 th grade English teacher would give me an F if I turned that crap in.

Supposedly, they have recorded interviews.....

Looks like 48 has been hangin out in the "weed circle". I suppose the NCAA is going to find out all sorts of things on reported transgressions that our outside their statute of limitations with their amazing power to depose people? Please.

Brandon Everage wants his bong back.


Brandon Everage died.

Supposedly, they have recorded interviews.....

That'll be the interesting thing. So many players disavowed the interviews, I'm sure the recordings will play a major factor for the independent investigator as they look at everything.

Looks like 48 has been hangin out in the "weed circle". I suppose the NCAA is going to find out all sorts of things on reported transgressions that our outside their statute of limitations with their amazing power to depose people? Please.

Brandon Everage wants his bong back.You are obviously not smart enough to know that the statute of limitations will not do OSU much good on some, to many, of the issues in question. There's a bunch of people like you who have been seriously misinformed by the local media and have no clue about what OSU really faces. You can stop being a complete idiot with your uninformed shots. But please know that for OSU the bad publicity is like a punishment that will impact OSU's ability to recruit good players. Most recruits are going to be told that OSU is going on probation. This will sway more than a few to other schools.

You are obviously not smart enough to know that the statute of limitations will not do OSU much good on some, to many, of the issues in question. There's a bunch of people like you who have been seriously misinformed by the local media and have no clue about what OSU really faces. You can stop being a complete idiot with your uninformed shots. But please know that for OSU the bad publicity is like a punishment that will impact OSU's ability to recruit good players. Most recruits are going to be told that OSU is going on probation. This will sway more than a few to other schools.

i think you need to tone it down a bit. let's keep it civil. -M

i think you need to tone it down a bit. let's keep it civil. -M

So me being in the “weed circle” is civil and making a joke about a dead guy is too?
You let those shots slide. I will be very happy to stay civil just as long as others are too.

So me being in the “weed circle” is civil and making a joke about a dead guy is too?
You let those shots slide. I will be very happy to stay civil just as long as others are too.

I'm not sure trolling every OSU topic that comes up is civil, especially since you like to post as though anyone who doesn't agree with you is on the mental level of toddlers. Don't act surprised that it rubs people the wrong way.

Wow. This is better than Jerry Springer or even The Morton Downey Jr. Show . . .
(well . . . maybe not "better" . . . but as good as! =)
(carry on . . .)

I'm not sure trolling every OSU topic that comes up is civil, especially since you like to post as though anyone who doesn't agree with you is on the mental level of toddlers. Don't act surprised that it rubs people the wrong way.

Sorry but there is a lot of miss information out there. I don't pretend to know it all but I do know that the local media has said things that are factually wrong and as a result some are very miss informed.
You or others shouldn't act shocked when somebody points out some of the false believes or when somebody like my self responses to ridiculous postings that are uncalled for.

When I say OSU will be investigated by the NCAA and that the NCAA has already been notify those are facts... don't take it so personal.

Sorry but there is a lot of miss information out there.

I just happened to read an except from the journalistic masterpiece in question (Sports Illustrated, online version) and the only "miss information" that I picked up on involved (the ho contingent/brigade) of The Orange Pride. Well, that and the fact that the author of this masterpiece is such a dickhead that he will probably get a Nobel Prize for Litterature or whatever.

I hope someone makes a movie about all this.
It could be like a remake of "Animal House" except involving modern SportsDorms.
(they could even actually use some actual recreations of the current head coach's dislike for carpenters wearing OU shirts and proclaiming--from his SportsPulpit--that he doesn't like journalistettes like Jenni Carlson.)

Now . . . Back to the program in progress . . .

(hey . . . some people like doing crossword puzzles and sudoku for relaxation . . . others of us like those and this too =)

Sorry but there is a lot of miss information out there. I don't pretend to know it all but I do know that the local media has said things that are factually wrong and as a result some are very miss informed.
You or others shouldn't act shocked when somebody points out some of the false believes or when somebody like my self responses to ridiculous postings that are uncalled for.

When I say OSU will be investigated by the NCAA and that the NCAA has already been notify those are facts... don't take it so personal.

We are well aware that there will be an investigation and I welcome it. It should reveal the truth, whether SI got it right, partially right or totally wrong. I want the truth, and I don't trust that SI is giving us that. I think Hargis is doing the right thing by appointing an investigator and asking for the NCAA to join it.

My point still stands: you troll OSU threads. I've watched you do it for months on this board. When you act like that, you'll get a lot of people who take shots. Either roll with it or stop the trolling.

I just happened to read an except from the journalistic masterpiece in question (Sports Illustrated, online version) and the only "miss information" that I picked up on involved (the ho contingent/brigade) of The Orange Pride. Well, that and the fact that the author of this masterpiece is such a dickhead that he will probably get a Nobel Prize for Litterature or whatever.

I hope someone makes a movie about all this.
It could be like a remake of "Animal House" except involving modern SportsDorms.
(they could even actually use some actual recreations of the current head coach's dislike for carpenters wearing OU shirts and proclaiming--from his SportsPulpit--that he doesn't like journalistettes like Jenni Carlson.)

Now . . . Back to the program in progress . . .

(hey . . . some people like doing crossword puzzles and sudoku for relaxation . . . others of us like those and this too =)

LOL^
There are probably plenty of holes in the SI article,,,, But it can still be full of holes and be enough for the NCAA to come in and start an investigation... The local media coverage of this hasn't been very good IMHO. They are playing off of raw emotions.

We are well aware that there will be an investigation and I welcome it. It should reveal the truth, whether SI got it right, partially right or totally wrong. I want the truth, and I don't trust that SI is giving us that. I think Hargis is doing the right thing by appointing an investigator and asking for the NCAA to join it.

My point still stands: you troll OSU threads. I've watched you do it for months on this board. When you act like that, you'll get a lot of people who take shots. Either roll with it or stop the trolling.

Your point about what OSU is and should be doing is spot on.
I said that it appeared that OSU was doing what they should at this point. That's not trolling.
I only troll pokes when they allow them self’s to be so easy to offend or are so uninformed that they dispute the truth and there is a bunch of both everywhere.

We are well aware that there will be an investigation and I welcome it. It should reveal the truth, whether SI got it right, partially right or totally wrong. I want the truth, and I don't trust that SI is giving us that. I think Hargis is doing the right thing by appointing an investigator and asking for the NCAA to join it.


There are plenty of post on this thread basically saying that there is no evidence or that nothing will happened.... But there is not enough truth among the poke faithful here to say otherwise when in fact there is witness evidence and the history of other cases where only one or 2 witnesses have cause serious probation’s.

LOL^
There are probably plenty of holes in the SI article,,,, But it can still be full of holes and be enough for the NCAA to come in and start an investigation... The local media coverage of this hasn't been very good IMHO. They are playing off of raw emotions.

I think that the allegations regarding the ho/thugette contingent of The Orange Pride have been sufficiently discussed and discounted.
Let's move on . . .

(dude . . . i'm, like, so glad that I watch charlie rose interviews of celebrities--including that well-spoken turd running/dictatoring Syria--on pbs to see how a real good interview should go to achieve the desired propaganda--or even antiganda--results =)

I'm not sure if Sports Illustrated is attemping to out-do The (original) National Enquirer or The (defunct) Weekly World News (or Gourmet).
Only Time will tell . . . (geez)

I guess our best hope out of all of this is that T. Boone Pickens (and/or/nor his heirs or assigns) will decide not to sell the remainder of our aquifer to Texas.
(please don't confuse any of that SportsRelatedBlather with "begging the question" . . .(or something floating up from the sewer of "politics") it's closer to "begging the answer" . . .=)

I'm to the point where I truly think this story is 100% fiction. Some of it might actually go on, but Evans and the other guy completely made up everything they wrote. There is 0 evidence. My 7 th grade English teacher would give me an F if I turned that crap in.

I guess the Pulitzer prize winning couldn't pass your 7th grade English class. You're teacher must've been a real ball buster.:p


On a side note, if the mods could just remove td25 and ou48 from this thread it would be a good discussion.