Part 2: Sports Illustrated's series on Oklahoma St. football: Academics - College Football - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130911/oklahoma-state-part-2-academics/?sct=hp_t1t_a1&eref=sihp)

You must not know anything about OSU to think that fans will start jumping ship. I realize we have gained quit a few bandwagon fans over the past couple of years, but by and large OSU fans are some of the most Loyal and True fans you will find. We were here when our record was 3-8 and were a laughing stock of college football, and we will be here long after.

osu has some "loyal and True" fans ... just not enough to ever have a home sell out in the HISTORY of BP stadium

and that is with the growth of the fan base in the last 10 years ... in 2003 osu went 9-4 and averaged 44k a game at home ..

One thing that I think is important to point out is that, according to one of the authors, SI was working on a completely different story when they came across the OSU allegations independently and incidentally, and opted to pursue them.

Here's the broader issue I think the SI story points out: You don't have to look under the hood of college football very hard or very long to find something ugly. That it happened to be OSU who was targeted (for whatever reason) is almost incidental - we had the Auburn issue with Cam Newton, the staff sex scandal at UT, the noxious business at Penn State, the ongoing scandal(s) at Miami. It shows that NCAA "enforcement" as an incentive not to cheat is a joke, and the real contest is in how each school devises mechanisms and layers of plausible deniability when dicey issues come to the surface. There were all kinds of shady rumors around Adrian Peterson and the car he was driving then, and those were explained away, and the Bomar incident was well documented. Heck, the 30-for-30 "Best that Never Was" special re Marcus Dupree talked about Dupree's mother mysteriously getting a new house trailer as her son was being recruited by OU thirty years ago. It isn't new, and its never going away.

That the SI authors have come out asserting their possession of tapes of each of the players interviewed, and that those tapes have been heard "by their lawyers," telegraphs pretty plainly that they are entirely confident in the reality of what they reported. Do I know for a fact either way that its true or false? Of course not. But for so many players to come out with stories that have a curious if imperfect intersection surely makes one scratch your head and raise red flags. Yeah, some of the players making the accusations are suspect, but that doesn't make them wrong. Jose Canseco was arguably the most hated man in baseball for his steroid accusations, but in later years he was largely vindicated. Is (was) the situation at OSU as bad as reported? Who knows. I don't. But to dismiss the entirety of the story as a vindictive fabrication is just as extreme at one end of the spectrum as believing every bit of it is accurate. Truth remains somewhere in the middle. I think some bad stuff was going on - but not just at OSU, but nearly every major college program around.

All this stuff just serves as a sad reminder that this purist notion of amateur athletics is just that - a notion, almost a fable - that's turned into a really sour, smelly industry with some really disgusting skeletons. For OSU, it seems the worst is yet to come.

osu has some "loyal and True" fans ... just not enough to ever have a home sell out in the HISTORY of BP stadium

and that is with the growth of the fan base in the last 10 years ... in 2003 osu went 9-4 and averaged 44k a game at home ..

When did anyone ever say anything about a large fan base? Everyone knows that OSU has a small fan base. I don't think we have sold out BPS ever, and were ranked #3 in 2011. My point is that no one is jumping ship because of some negative light on the University they love. How did you guys turn this into something else?

One thing that I think is important to point out is that, according to one of the authors, SI was working on a completely different story when they came across the OSU allegations independently and incidentally, and opted to pursue them.

Here's the broader issue I think the SI story points out: You don't have to look under the hood of college football very hard or very long to find something ugly. That it happened to be OSU who was targeted (for whatever reason) is almost incidental - we had the Auburn issue with Cam Newton, the staff sex scandal at UT, the noxious business at Penn State, the ongoing scandal(s) at Miami. It shows that NCAA "enforcement" as an incentive not to cheat is a joke, and the real contest is in how each school devises mechanisms and layers of plausible deniability when dicey issues come to the surface. There were all kinds of shady rumors around Adrian Peterson and the car he was driving then, and those were explained away, and the Bomar incident was well documented. Heck, the 30-for-30 "Best that Never Was" special re Marcus Dupree talked about Dupree's mother mysteriously getting a new house trailer as her son was being recruited by OU thirty years ago. It isn't new, and its never going away.

That the SI authors have come out asserting their possession of tapes of each of the players interviewed, and that those tapes have been heard "by their lawyers," telegraphs pretty plainly that they are entirely confident in the reality of what they reported. Do I know for a fact either way that its true or false? Of course not. But for so many players to come out with stories that have a curious if imperfect intersection surely makes one scratch your head and raise red flags. Yeah, some of the players making the accusations are suspect, but that doesn't make them wrong. Jose Canseco was arguably the most hated man in baseball for his steroid accusations, but in later years he was largely vindicated. Is (was) the situation at OSU as bad as reported? Who knows. I don't. But to dismiss the entirety of the story as a vindictive fabrication is just as extreme at one end of the spectrum as believing every bit of it is accurate. Truth remains somewhere in the middle. I think some bad stuff was going on - but not just at OSU, but nearly every major college program around.

All this stuff just serves as a sad reminder that this purist notion of amateur athletics is just that - a notion, almost a fable - that's turned into a really sour, smelly industry with some really disgusting skeletons. For OSU, it seems the worst is yet to come.


Good post

Supposedly there will be a tell all book coming out some time this fall about the sex scandals and more that went on at the University of Texas.....
It may be just enough to see UT replace Mack... I would hate to see him go.

osu has some "loyal and True" fans ... just not enough to ever have a home sell out in the HISTORY of BP stadium

and that is with the growth of the fan base in the last 10 years ... in 2003 osu went 9-4 and averaged 44k a game at home ..

Well there's 100 stadium suites so until more people trade in their Maserati to buy football tickets we're pretty pleased with what we call "virtual sellouts"

You should really refrain from making posts where you have no idea what you're talking about.

When did anyone ever say anything about a large fan base? Everyone knows that OSU has a small fan base. I don't think we have sold out BPS ever, and were ranked #3 in 2011. My point is that no one is jumping ship because of some negative light on the University they love. How did you guys turn this into something else?

Its because they're Sooner fans and unfortunately there are some Sooner fans that misconstrue things because they don't understand them. Fortunately, I've heard numerous Sooner fans call into The Franchise OR even former OU football players, like Kelly Gregg, who think that all of this is asinine.

Trust me, a ton of us are gonna have to eat some major crow if ALL of this is true and I don't doubt that some things are true but A LOT of Day 1 story info was sooooooooooooo I don't know how to explain it other than Id shoot myself for doing something so stupid if I really did that. So, yeah, go on and keep talking crap ou48a and sooner5327 or 5349 or whatever your screen name is and, oh yeah...

GO POKES!

Well there's 100 stadium suites so until more people trade in their Maserati to buy football tickets we're pretty pleased with what we call "virtual sellouts"

You should really refrain from making posts where you have no idea what you're talking about.

osu has never sold out its club level seats ... much less the dark suites ..

Looking on the bright side...

Sports Illustrated has given Oklahoma State's football program more advertising than the best package anyone could have crafted on New York's Madison Avenue.

Its because they're Sooner fans and unfortunately there are some Sooner fans that misconstrue things because they don't understand them. Fortunately, I've heard numerous Sooner fans call into The Franchise OR even former OU football players, like Kelly Gregg, who think that all of this is asinine.

Trust me, a ton of us are gonna have to eat some major crow if ALL of this is true and I don't doubt that some things are true but A LOT of Day 1 story info was sooooooooooooo I don't know how to explain it other than Id shoot myself for doing something so stupid if I really did that. So, yeah, go on and keep talking crap ou48a and sooner5327 or 5349 or whatever your screen name is and, oh yeah...

GO POKES!

Some of you really are delusional (like this^) and are believing way to much of the local media's spin that has at times present inaccurate facts about this.

I have seen how this works before …..
Back in the day there were several Texas news papers over several years that accused OU of cheating because OU was recruiting black players when UT and most others in Texas would not take blacks to any great extent. About 80% to 90% of what they wrote about OU was false......but the damage was done and the image was cast and the 10% to 20% or so that was true was more than enough to get OU in serious trouble with the NCAA.,,,

OU (the university) was never accused of doing anything near as bad as what SI is accusing OSU people of doing..... The NCAA and perhaps the OSBI will be looking into possible academic fraud, possible drug usage and perhaps underage sex crimes. The payments to players could have tax fraud implications...
Nobody knows what's going to happen yet with the NCAA, but the delusion factor here and else where is pretty freaking high right now with many pokes and even others.
Our states Governor is said to be following this very closely.

VIDEO: OSU president: Independent investigator will look into all claims of misconduct in SI expose » Local News » Stillwater NewsPress (http://www.stwnewspress.com/local/x865776667/VIDEO-OSU-president-Independent-investigator-will-look-into-all-claims-of-misconduct-in-SI-expose)

VIDEO: OSU president: Independent investigator will look into all claims of misconduct in SI expose » Local News » Stillwater NewsPress (http://www.stwnewspress.com/local/x865776667/VIDEO-OSU-president-Independent-investigator-will-look-into-all-claims-of-misconduct-in-SI-expose)

So far OSU seems to be handling this the right way.

OU (the university) was never accused of doing anything near as bad as what SI is accusing OSU people of doing..... The NCAA and perhaps the OSBI will be looking into possible academic fraud, possible drug usage and perhaps underage sex crimes. The payments to players could have tax fraud implications...
Nobody knows what's going to happen yet with the NCAA, but the delusion factor here and else where is pretty freaking high right now with many pokes and even others.
Our states Governor is said to be following this very closely.

Haha, this is what Im referring to when I say over the top dramatics. OSBI might investigate..? No way you can let your college allegiance cloud your judgment this much, can you?

Haha, this is what Im referring to when I say over the top dramatics. OSBI might investigate..? No way you can let your college allegiance cloud your judgment this much, can you?

I went to OU. I'm an OU fan. I really don't see how throwing stones is going to help in this case. I hope OSU makes it through this and if some of this crap is still on going, that they get it fixed and the people responsible are held accountable. We should know all to well how close to home something like this can hit. Of course everyone worships King Switzer that they forget some of the shady stuff that went out during his tenure.

Here is my question, if the NCAA decides to dig into this, to see if any of this is going on today, why wouldn't they go visit Les Miles at LSU and those other assistant coaches who are accused of doing this stuff? I guess I can see looking at OSU to make sure it isn't still happening there, but surely they will look at the actual people who are accused, right?

I went to OU. I'm an OU fan. I really don't see how throwing stones is going to help in this case. I hope OSU makes it through this and if some of this crap is still on going, that they get it fixed and the people responsible are held accountable. We should know all to well how close to home something like this can hit. Of course everyone worships King Switzer that they forget some of the shady stuff that went out during his tenure.

Well put. As is often the case, time obscures history, and there were plenty of skeletons in Switzer's closet. And if you read about some of his antics while he was coach down in Dallas, you'd know he didn't change much while in that capacity. If there's something going on up there at Stillwater, get it cleaned up, and let's just move on. If not, get the truth out, and move on. The black eye this stuff casts doesn't help anyone, whether their allegiances are to Norman or Stillwater.

I've been an OU fan since I was 8, an OU grad since '86, and I find all of this stuff just...manifestly unpleasant. And some of the stuff apparently to come may rank with the downright disgusting. I take no "pleasure" in OSU's problems, because they reflect on the whole state, not just the school. Oklahoma, the state, doesn't need this kind of publicity. Period.

Here is my question, if the NCAA decides to dig into this, to see if any of this is going on today, why wouldn't they go visit Les Miles at LSU and those other assistant coaches who are accused of doing this stuff? I guess I can see looking at OSU to make sure it isn't still happening there, but surely they will look at the actual people who are accused, right?

I think some recent NCAA legislation affords them the latitude to do precisely that, or at least if any penalties are assessed toward a coach, those penalties follow the coach.

OSU has obviously hit big time relevancy now. Jay Leno is making jokes about this on the Tonight Show. Welcome to the club, Pokes. :)

Here is my question, if the NCAA decides to dig into this, to see if any of this is going on today, why wouldn't they go visit Les Miles at LSU and those other assistant coaches who are accused of doing this stuff? I guess I can see looking at OSU to make sure it isn't still happening there, but surely they will look at the actual people who are accused, right?

They will, and there's precedent. That's why Pete Carrol and Skip Kelly jumped to the NFL -- to avoid punishment. Make no mistake, Lester the molester is in the NCAA's sights.

Haha, this is what Im referring to when I say over the top dramatics. OSBI might investigate..? No way you can let your college allegiance cloud your judgment this much, can you?

You’re still living in a fantasy land I see.
Things like academic fraud, underage sex and drug usage is or could be against the law. It's only right that a state investigative agency such as the OSBI would look into the issue. You are nuts if you don't think this will at least be looked at by legal authority’s.

One of the most disgusting elements in all this is how pokes like you cling to ready made excuses and are actually part of the problem with the OSU culture rather than part of the solution. We have seen this same type of reaction before many times when people defend those who are guilty.... We saw this in a big way recently in Happy Valley

They will, and there's precedent. That's why Pete Carrol and Skip Kelly jumped to the NFL -- to avoid punishment. Make no mistake, Lester the molester is in the NCAA's sights.+1 and Lester knows it.

Here is my question, if the NCAA decides to dig into this, to see if any of this is going on today, why wouldn't they go visit Les Miles at LSU and those other assistant coaches who are accused of doing this stuff? I guess I can see looking at OSU to make sure it isn't still happening there, but surely they will look at the actual people who are accused, right?

As an OU fan, I am taking all of this with a grain of salt until more information comes out. I see an SI series that has a whole lot of allegations - many of which may be true, I don't know. But I also see a lot of key players in the articles as athletes who were either dismissed, transferred or dead. I also see players being quoted who are saying they were misquoted. I see allegations about people doing things that an awful lot of people are saying simply wouldn't have done such things (doesn't mean they didn't do these things, I know). I just see an awful lot of doubt being cast at the accuracy of the SI allegations. As for the taped recordings. Those don't mean a thing because they can be manipulated.

Things like academic fraud, underage sex and drug usage is or could be against the law. It's only right that a state investigative agency such as the OSBI would look into the issue. You are nuts if you don't think this will at least be looked at by legal authority’s.
Underage sex? That's the first I've heard about that. They haven't come out with that part if the articles yet. Do you have information that it will mention that?

The NCAA and perhaps the OSBI will be looking into possible academic fraud, possible drug usage and perhaps underage sex crimes. The payments to players could have tax fraud implications...
Nobody knows what's going to happen yet with the NCAA, but the delusion factor here and else where is pretty freaking high right now with many pokes and even others.
Our states Governor is said to be following this very closely.

Wth are you talking about. First off, as previously stated on the radio show, the age of consent in Oklahoma is 16 and you can do so legally up to age 19 if you are the opposite sex. Male recruits are usually 16, if not in most cases 17 or 18 and I'm 100% certain that there are no girls in the Orange Pride group that were under the age of 18.

You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself. Read what I wrote again, especially the second paragraph.


Underage sex? That's the first I've heard about that. They haven't come out with that part if the articles yet. Do you have information that it will mention that?

No, he's throwing a bone out there because he has no clue what he's talking about...

Pretty much every body who was "interviewed" has come out and said their comments were taken out of context and that Evans lied to them. These articles are nothing. Made up.

FWIW, the age of consent in OK, male or female, is age 16. There's not a window there, and the partner can be anywhere from 16 to 80+. Folks can decide on their own at what point the age spread gets an ick factor attached. The exception would be if one has a position of power over the other that negates any otherwise consensual act. Typical examples being teachers and jailers.

Whatever else may or may not have happened at OSU over the years, I'm fairly confident there were no folks under age 16 in the mix, either as a recruit or as a hostess.

Wth are you talking about. First off, as previously stated on the radio show, the age of consent in Oklahoma is 16 and you can do so legally up to age 19 if you are the opposite sex. Male recruits are usually 16, if not in most cases 17 or 18 and I'm 100% certain that there are no girls in the Orange Pride group that were under the age of 18.

You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself. Read what I wrote again, especially the second paragraph.



No, he's throwing a bone out there because he has no clue what he's talking about...

It's not that unusual for recruits to make visits to campuses under the age of 16... That is fact.

This is what a former NCAA investigator had to say about what could happen to OSU.
Watch Brent Clark on the video.
Keep in mind that at the time of this video he had only seen the first 2 articles.

Former NCAA Investigator Weighs In On What's Next For OSU - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/23408915/former-ncaa-investigator-weighs-in-on-whats-next-for-osu)

This is exactly the same type of activities that got SMU the death penalty. Now, the NCAA is never going to give any school the death penalty in any sport again, because of what it did to SMU. Now, as an OU grad/fan, I would love to see the NCAA put the hammer down on aggot state. I would like to see the death penaly, won't happen. The state of Oklahoma without osu would be nirvana for most OU folk. OSU is like a damn little dog that is yapping at your heels all the time. Annoying as hell, but, overall irrelevant.

I can't tell if the OU people here are trolling or not, but it is sad if OU fans feel this way. How pathetic is your life to want bad stuff to happen to a university in your OWN STATE? Did a hot OSU girl break your heart?

There is 100% proof that Thayer Evans made most of this up. ONE player is backing up his quotes. EVERYBODY else has said Evans misquoted them/took out of context/lied to them. There is ZERO proof of anything. Check out of Yahoo report today about SEC players receiving benefits.

Y! SPORTS (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--documents--texts-reveal-impermissible-benefits-to-five-sec-players-202513237.html)

"...The identities of these players were revealed in a web of financial and text message records belonging to former Crimson Tide defensive end Luther Davis..."

ACTUAL PROOF

osu has never sold out its club level seats ... much less the dark suites ..

And?

I played football at OSU (albeit a few years prior to the time period covered - I Played for Jones and Simmons). I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop before I said anything, but I'm convinced it's not coming. It's obvious SI led with their "best" stuff, and that stuff is pretty weak. The article dealing with money was troubling, but as of now there is not one shred of actual evidence it occurred. Do I think a few players with their hands out may have got a few perks? Sure. Was it a widespread and elaborate effort to compensate players for performance? I highly doubt it. These claims about socks filled with money, envelopes stuffed with money, passing out money planes are just crazy. We weren't even allowed near boosters, and they especially weren't allowed in the locker room. The biggest "perk" I received was getting a value meal comped at Wendy's or a pizza buffet. (By the manager not a booster) Hell, that happened in high school. Obviously I wasn't everywhere, all the time, but if money was being paid regularly, almost everyone would know about it. I don't really know Coach Deforest or Coach Porter, but I find it hard to believe a coach would be so stupid as to pay players, either in cash or a debit card. Why would someone put their career on the line, knowing you have to put your trust in 18-22 year olds to never say anything?

I feel the academic story is mostly hyperbole. In my experience, I can say that the academic adviser questioned my selection of a major. She was concerned that Accounting might be a rough major for an incoming freshman who played football. I never thought twice about it. I wasn't steered towards easy classes. I steered myself towards easy professors. My Fraternity had better test files than I ever saw in the athletic department. Coaches/advisers were diligent about us going to class. They checked in on us all the time. They'd stop by class, stick their head in the door and basically take attendance. It was called "window shopping". I do remember getting one grade I probably didn't deserve. It was in Physical Geography, commonly known as "Rocks" or "Rocks for Jocks". I honestly have no idea if I got the better grade because I was a football player or because of some type of curve. I just remember being pleasantly surprised upon seeing the grade. I can also say I talked my way to better grades while earning my MBA (not at OSU), and know many people who were not athletes that have done the same thing. I never used a tutor, but I was around them and other players in the study hall a great deal. I never heard or saw tutors doing other people's work. I did see them have to keep players from falling asleep on several occasions. ;)

As far as drugs are concerned, I'd say this is where things are most different from my time and the time covered. Drug testing for things other than steroids was just getting organized and was fairly haphazard in my time. Ironically, I think that drugs, weed in particular, are much more prevalent now than it was in the early to mid '90s. Yet, drug testing is much more thorough now. I never heard of a weed circle, but to be fair that could have happened after I was there. Plus, drugs were never my thing. Having said that, sure, some football players did drugs. Non athletes did too. Drug usage is a problem for human beings, not just Oklahoma State football players under Les Miles and Mike Gundy.

Of course I haven't read tomorrow's story... I can tell you unequivocally that there were ladies in the Orange Pride program that had sex with players. I can also tell you unequivocally that there were ladies not in the Orange Pride program that had sex with players. And I'm pretty sure they had sex with men who weren't players.

A couple of final thoughts... As of now, anyone who considers this article "Investigative Journalism" either hasn't read it or wants it to be all true. Sports Illustrated should have never let Thayer Evans do the investigating. I realize the idea for the story was his, but the fact he has shown history of animosity towards OSU should have disqualified him from participating. Yahoo!'s story yesterday on the SEC and the previous story on Miami are much better examples of what SI should have done. Maybe they have more information and are just waiting to release it. If they do, then the story really appears to be more of a "take down" piece rather than an unbiased story.

Pretty much every body who was "interviewed" has come out and said their comments were taken out of context and that Evans lied to them. These articles are nothing. Made up.

fact that players say they worked at Joe Deforest's house did little and got paid a bunch

fact that Joe Deforest said lots of players worked at his house but he always paid fair market value for the work

fact that OSU athletic compliance office said that no players were ever cleared to work at Joe deforest's house

And?

you said this

Well there's 100 stadium suites so until more people trade in their Maserati to buy football tickets we're pretty pleased with what we call "virtual sellouts"

You should really refrain from making posts where you have no idea what you're talking about.


so now it is suites and club level .. but still a " virtual sellout" ..... ... lol

This is exactly the same type of activities that got SMU the death penalty. Now, the NCAA is never going to give any school the death penalty in any sport again, because of what it did to SMU. Now, as an OU grad/fan, I would love to see the NCAA put the hammer down on aggot state. I would like to see the death penaly, won't happen. The state of Oklahoma without osu would be nirvana for most OU folk. OSU is like a damn little dog that is yapping at your heels all the time. Annoying as hell, but, overall irrelevant.

OSU enrollment is larger, has been for a while, and has more living alumni? Sounds like a damn little dog compared to the mighty U of Okla...

I can't tell if the OU people here are trolling or not, but it is sad if OU fans feel this way. How pathetic is your life to want bad stuff to happen to a university in your OWN STATE? Did a hot OSU girl break your heart?

There is 100% proof that Thayer Evans made most of this up. ONE player is backing up his quotes. EVERYBODY else has said Evans misquoted them/took out of context/lied to them. There is ZERO proof of anything. Check out of Yahoo report today about SEC players receiving benefits.

Y! SPORTS (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--documents--texts-reveal-impermissible-benefits-to-five-sec-players-202513237.html)

"...The identities of these players were revealed in a web of financial and text message records belonging to former Crimson Tide defensive end Luther Davis..."

ACTUAL PROOF

evans didn't write the piece .... George Dohrmann did .. after he listened to all of the interviews .. that were recorded is everything the players said true .. i doubt it ...

but if you don't think that some of it is true then you have your head in the sand

OSU enrollment is larger, has been for a while, and has more living alumni? Sounds like a damn little dog compared to the mighty U of Okla...

is trolling fun? osu has more students only if you count osuokc ... which would be like UT counting utsa and uta .... which is laughable ..

It's not that unusual for recruits to make visits to campuses under the age of 16... That is fact.

And this is fact too...you're not going to get a DNA sample off of a kid under the age of 16 showing that he had consensual sex with a hot college coed over two years ago. This isn't NCIS or or CSI: Miami. Come on now, you're pushing far too strong. Just let the age thing go, please.

you said this



so now it is suites and club level .. but still a " virtual sellout" ..... ... lol

OSU currently has 99 suites. All were sold out last year and this. 7,000+sf of more suites are supposed to be finished for this year. And, correct, club level seats havent ever sold out. Which is not surprising because buying a club level ticket that is on the goal line for like $250 a game plus a yearly donation just doesnt make sense for most. Much better seats to be had for less money.
OSU's Boone Pickens Stadium gets more suites | Tulsa World (http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/OSUs_Boone_Pickens_Stadium_gets_more_suites/20130302_93_b2_hosusb187693)

And now back to our regularly scheduled OSU bashing..

This is exactly the same type of activities that got SMU the death penalty. Now, the NCAA is never going to give any school the death penalty in any sport again, because of what it did to SMU. Now, as an OU grad/fan, I would love to see the NCAA put the hammer down on aggot state. I would like to see the death penaly, won't happen. The state of Oklahoma without osu would be nirvana for most OU folk. OSU is like a damn little dog that is yapping at your heels all the time. Annoying as hell, but, overall irrelevant.

Standard goat roper/dirt burglar/gooner rhetoric. Obviously you don't have a mixed bag of friends who have allegiances to oSu and if you do, then you don't respect their feelings. Just know from here, if "the hammer" falls on oSu, any year of those penalties that you beat us in football will not be valid because you're not playing a team with full potential, so don't rub it in to your Cowboy friends or preach to the crowds on here about how glorious your Sooners are. Pfft and SMH...

Seymore Shaw-

“I agreed to talk with (reporter) Thayer Evans with the presumption that we would be talking about something completely different. I became uncomfortable with where the conversation was going and later retracted all statements,"

“I very clearly let him know I did not want to be a part of his story and that he did not have my permission to use any part of our conversation or my name. At no point in time was I paid or looking to ‘out’ OSU, players, coaches, or anyone associated with the school. I can't say a lot at this time, but please know there are untruths being written and the truth will eventually come out.”

Doug Bond-
"I told him I had never seen, never heard of, or never taken anything. I made that extremely clear. I said that probably nine or 10 times during the conversation.."
"But for example, the sentence that he said, one of the quotes that was in there was, ‘They take care of their cats.' (referring to OSU boosters paying players).

The whole sentence in that deal was I was saying that if there are schools that do that around the country, I'm sure they take care of their cats. I've never seen that (at OSU). That was my statement. My statement was paraphrased and used in a way to make it seem like I knew that was going on. And I've never seen any of that. Are you kidding me?"

Aso Pogi-
"He just started talking and we had some small talk and then he went into what he was there for, as far as just asking me questions out of the blue. Like, are you aware of this and this and this as far as players being paid and this and that? And I said ‘absolutely not. I don’t know about any of that stuff. And I never saw it.’"

Rodrick Johnson-
"Let me say this ti all of you, I was never paid or said anything negative about OSU, That Evans guy is trash for what he wrote! He took what I said and flipped it to his own words! I never said anything about Bobby Reid, Defo, or John Talley! I am embarrassed and shamed of this articale! I was lied to about what this articale is about and for that I apologize to everyone for! This is something that will get resolved and I will see to that myself! The guy wrote lies! So for all of you flipping out on me, dont believe everything you read just because its in a book or magazine!"

There is 100% proof that Thayer Evans made most of this up.

I would like to see this 100% proof of this^ as would the rest of the world.

Standard goat roper/dirt burglar/gooner rhetoric. Obviously you don't have a mixed bag of friends who have allegiances to oSu and if you do, then you don't respect their feelings. Just know from here, if "the hammer" falls on oSu, any year of those penalties that you beat us in football will not be valid because you're not playing a team with full potential, so don't rub it in to your Cowboy friends or preach to the crowds on here about how glorious your Sooners are. Pfft and SMH...

The NCAA is not required to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
All they need is probable cause to believe, which puts OSU and anyone seeking to minimize this in a very weak position.

And this is fact too...you're not going to get a DNA sample off of a kid under the age of 16 showing that he had consensual sex with a hot college coed over two years ago. This isn't NCIS or or CSI: Miami. Come on now, you're pushing far too strong. Just let the age thing go, please.

Again

The NCAA is not required to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
All they need is probable cause to believe, which puts OSU and anyone seeking to minimize this in a very weak position.

The drug testing issues and how they looked the other way are serious issues for the pokes when it comes to the NCAA.
It further shows a Lack of Institutional Control which is a very serious charge to be hit with.
Its the employees at a university not doing their jobs that gets the LOIC tag.

Seymore Shaw-

“I agreed to talk with (reporter) Thayer Evans with the presumption that we would be talking about something completely different. I became uncomfortable with where the conversation was going and later retracted all statements,"

“I very clearly let him know I did not want to be a part of his story and that he did not have my permission to use any part of our conversation or my name. At no point in time was I paid or looking to ‘out’ OSU, players, coaches, or anyone associated with the school. I can't say a lot at this time, but please know there are untruths being written and the truth will eventually come out.”


these quotes make shaw look terrible ..

From ESPN

ESPN: Whitlock?s statements were ?not acceptable? regarding Evans | The Sherman Report (http://www.shermanreport.com/whitlock-at-odds-with-espn-media-policy-with-comments-about-evans/)

these quotes make shaw look terrible ..

It makes Evans look terrible. He was clearly told he wasn't allowed to use Shaw's quotes, and he did anyways. Well, I guess he didn't, because he made them up.

From ESPN

ESPN: Whitlock?s statements were ?not acceptable? regarding Evans | The Sherman Report (http://www.shermanreport.com/whitlock-at-odds-with-espn-media-policy-with-comments-about-evans/)

LOL. "Not acceptable". LOL. Where does it say his Whitlock's statements were untrue? It doesn't.

Okay, well I'm done commenting on this. I'm clearly taking the bait from the several OU rednecks on this forum. Everyone gets their jollies in different ways, you know?

It makes Evans look terrible. He was clearly told he wasn't allowed to use Shaw's quotes, and he did anyways. Well, I guess he didn't, because he made them up.

So what..... Why didn't his OSU education teach him not to trust reporters?

It looks like that's a big across the board problem at OSU.

LOL. "Not acceptable". LOL. Where does it say his Whitlock's statements were untrue? It doesn't.

OK So on one hand you and countless pokes are bashing Evens and now you dismiss this criticism of unprofessional conduct.
WOW but typical.

It makes Evans look terrible. He was clearly told he wasn't allowed to use Shaw's quotes, and he did anyways. Well, I guess he didn't, because he made them up.

Just wondering how he (Shaw) can "retract" statements he...never made?

As Thayer has this presumptive ax to grind with OSU, why on earth would anyone with OSU ties/allegiances come within 500 miles of him?

I just wish all this extremism on both sides would cool off.

The OSU folks need to concede that something was likely awry in Stillwater during this time. If there's anything left of it, get it cleaned up, deal with it, and move on.

The OU folks need to concede that whatever may have been going on in Stillwater isn't on the scale of USC or Miami or Penn State, at least not so far as has been alleged.

Why can't people accept a reasonable middle ground in this that suggests the absolute truth in this is at neither end of the spectrum? The extreme ends of either side of this sound abjectly silly.

This thread is making me lose IQ points every time I look at it. Why did I start it...sigh. LOL

these quotes make shaw look terrible ..

He was already looking bad. Most of the quotes in the article are as much of an indictment against these particular players as the school. Several of the ones in the story are basically just announcing, "yes, Im a lazy, cheating, thieving student who got help yet sill couldnt make it in college."

The OU folks need to concede that whatever may have been going on in Stillwater isn't on the scale of USC or Miami or Penn State, at least not so far as has been alleged.



Actually Pat Jones and Bob Berry Jr. said on Tuesday that this was worse than Miami...... making it way worse than USC.
The SI author indicated and challenged anyone to show where all of this has occurred anywhere else and gotten in trouble for it from the NCAA.

Probation, bowl bands and scholarship reductions are a likely out come for OSU.
I have no idea on the degree of how much.

Just wondering how he (Shaw) can "retract" statements he...never made?

As Thayer has this presumptive ax to grind with OSU, why on earth would anyone with OSU ties/allegiances come within 500 miles of him?

I just wish all this extremism on both sides would cool off.

The OSU folks need to concede that something was likely awry in Stillwater during this time. If there's anything left of it, get it cleaned up, deal with it, and move on.

The OU folks need to concede that whatever may have been going on in Stillwater isn't on the scale of USC or Miami or Penn State, at least not so far as has been alleged.

Why can't people accept a reasonable middle ground in this that suggests the absolute truth in this is at neither end of the spectrum? The extreme ends of either side of this sound abjectly silly.

This is right on. There is probably fire where there is smoke.. but it doesn't look to be institutionalized. Yes, things need to be fixed, but certain OU fans need to quit foaming at the mouth in excitement at the idea. Beat OSU on the field, not on a message board, if you're man enough.

but it doesn't look to be institutionalized.

There is a very high degree of lack of institutional control here
Even Pat Jones and many others have repeatedly said so.

OU (the university) was never accused of doing anything near as bad as what SI is accusing OSU people of doing.....

Charles Thompson says, "hi". As does Bernard Hall, Jerry Parks, Nigel Clay, Glen Bell, ......

Charles Thompson says, "hi". As does Bernard Hall, Jerry Parks, Nigel Clay, Glen Bell, ......

Sure they do, but that wasn’t an NCAA issue to prosecute.