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bchris02 03-25-2014, 12:27 PM nm Mississippi Blues 03-25-2014, 12:39 PM This guy is either an idiot or a troll. He has no clue what he is talking about and has nothing good to say about anything. Perhaps both? ;) catcherinthewry 03-25-2014, 12:39 PM This guy is either an idiot or a troll. He has no clue what he is talking about and has nothing good to say about anything. Why are you ruling out that he is both? As for the wrestling tournament, The Oklahoman had a story that was just the opposite of what Mr. Brightside observed. NewsOK ? OKC a hit with wrestling fans (http://lite.newsok.com/2014/03/24/okc-a-hit-with-wrestling-fans/) Of Sound Mind 03-25-2014, 12:42 PM He and bchris are two peas in a pod. PWitty 03-25-2014, 12:47 PM Soondoc speaks the truth. I have been holding off but I am going to say it now. Having lived in a truly big league city, OKC simply does not match up. This city may be vibrant and happening compared to itself in 1991 and places like Amarillo but it really could and should be much, much better. OKC does shine compared to its past, but we aren't competing with our past. We are competing with places like Austin, Ft Worth, Charlotte, Nashville, etc for jobs and college grads. If I didn't have any previous ties and had a choice, why should I live in OKC over the aforementioned places? I've tried and can't think of a single reason. OKC is not booming because of the national perception that it is boring, unsafe because of severe weather, and in general not a good place to live. That perception is exaggerated and becoming more out of date each year but is not completely unfounded. If it really was just a stereotype, there wouldn't be so many visitors leaving with that perception confirmed. Perception is reality and if OKC wants to become the city many here envision, perception needs to change. How do we do that? By not settling for average and mediocrity. By demanding truly big league and not settling for simply better than 1990s OKC. WHAT A SHOCKER! :lol2: Seriously, talk about an instant gratification complex. Multi-million dollar projects aren't announced and completed within two months of a conceptual rendering being shown to the public. Step away from the computer and go enjoy the real world for awhile. Jeepnokc 03-25-2014, 12:47 PM Why are you ruling out that he is both? As for the wrestling tournament, The Oklahoman had a story that was just the opposite of what Mr. Brightside observed. NewsOK ? OKC a hit with wrestling fans (http://lite.newsok.com/2014/03/24/okc-a-hit-with-wrestling-fans/) Negativity breeds negativity. If you are waiting around for a table at a packed restaurant and you are complaining about how unprepared they are...others will follow suit. If you spend the time talking about all the wonderful stuff OKC is doing and giving tips of must sees...then people will be positive and have a positive outlook of OKC. I do not see how anyone can walk through the Peake and walk through Bricktown on a weekend and think it is gloomy and dingy PWitty 03-25-2014, 12:51 PM True. It can be fixed. However, that doesn't change that so many people left OKC, in 2014, with their 1991 era stereotype/perception of this city confirmed. There is no excuse for that. The only people that are leaving OKC with a 1991 stereotype of it are in your head. Every article that has been written about OKC by outsiders the last several years has been nothing but positive. You can continue to believe that you are living in the Kingdom of Satan, but at least quit posting about it every other day. OkieNate 03-25-2014, 01:00 PM Soondoc speaks the truth. I have been holding off but I am going to say it now. Having lived in a truly big league city, OKC simply does not match up. This city may be vibrant and happening compared to itself in 1991 and places like Amarillo but it really could and should be much, much better. OKC does shine compared to its past, but we aren't competing with our past. We are competing with places like Austin, Ft Worth, Charlotte, Nashville, etc for jobs and college grads. If I didn't have any previous ties and had a choice, why should I live in OKC over the aforementioned places? I've tried and can't think of a single reason. OKC is not booming because of the national perception that it is boring, unsafe because of severe weather, and in general not a good place to live. That perception is exaggerated and becoming more out of date each year but is not completely unfounded. If it really was just a stereotype, there wouldn't be so many visitors leaving with that perception confirmed. Perception is reality and if OKC wants to become the city many here envision, perception needs to change. How do we do that? By not settling for average and mediocrity. By demanding truly big league and not settling for simply better than 1990s OKC. The more you post the more it seems like you just have no friends or life in OKC and/or don't know where or how to have a good time here. You're bitterness towards OKC is unfathomable and I hope you swiftly find an options out of the "hell hole" you make Oklahoma City out to be. As for reason to live here over those places you've mentioned (over and over and over again) would be affordability, interstate convenience/lack of traffic, a strong and steady job market, and last but certainly not least the Oklahoma Spirit, (which you clearly lack). Mississippi Blues 03-25-2014, 01:06 PM Soondoc speaks the truth. I have been holding off but I am going to say it now. Having lived in a truly big league city, OKC simply does not match up. This city may be vibrant and happening compared to itself in 1991 and places like Amarillo but it really could and should be much, much better. OKC does shine compared to its past, but we aren't competing with our past. We are competing with places like Austin, Ft Worth, Charlotte, Nashville, etc for jobs and college grads. If I didn't have any previous ties and had a choice, why should I live in OKC over the aforementioned places? I've tried and can't think of a single reason. OKC is not booming because of the national perception that it is boring, unsafe because of severe weather, and in general not a good place to live. That perception is exaggerated and becoming more out of date each year but is not completely unfounded. If it really was just a stereotype, there wouldn't be so many visitors leaving with that perception confirmed. Perception is reality and if OKC wants to become the city many here envision, perception needs to change. How do we do that? By not settling for average and mediocrity. By demanding truly big league and not settling for simply better than 1990s OKC. You officially lose all credibility in my books. As if anyone took you very seriously to begin with with all the nonsense you blabber on about OKC not being good enough. OKC can improve, but it's nowhere near the backwards black hole that you make it out to be. The ignore button is a very worthwhile feature when it comes to simple minded transplants like yourself that want to compare OKC to every other larger city in the U.S. and claim that's why OKC is still living in the 90's. I know you know about OKC's past and you make sure to say it's nothing like it was in the 90's, but you still seem to think that we're just supposed to leap 30 years into the future in spite of our slow start. I remember you complaining about Charlotte before you moved to OKC and right after you moved to OKC and the death trap that you made it out to be, so I don't think it's OKC you want to complain about. I think it's just what you do. The ironic thing is that you used to steer away from the positives on Charlotte and now you're advocating OKC to become more like Charlotte. You can live in all the big and/or booming cities that you want, but quit comparing OKC to those cities because it's known by everyone on this board that OKC isn't quite booming population wise and it definitely isn't a big city (Dallas, Atlanta, etc.). If you think OKC is so backwoods because it's not Charlotte or Atlanta, then you should've stayed in those cities. I personally like what's going on in OKC, but I'm so fed up with reading your beyond negative opinion on everything that happens in OKC. There are those few times that you give props about something happening in OKC and I thank God for those posts because they are few and far between. The rest of the time it's posts about Tulsa gets everything first because OKC is viewed so negatively and Tulsa is just a better city to be in or OKC's grocery shopping sucks because Wal-Mart has a death grip on the market, which I don't really disagree with, and OKC not being ready for Costco or residential high-rise's, etc., and then of course the fateful comparisons to Charlotte, Austin, Nashville, etc. to further try and prove that OKC is small time. Just quit it already; other posters would like you a little bit more and wouldn't mock you all the time if you'd quit being that outside voice that's trying to convince everyone that OKC isn't as great as it's made out to be. We know we've got a ways to go but we also can see how far we've come; your lowly stance on OKC isn't changing our minds. theanvil 03-25-2014, 01:07 PM Negativity breeds negativity. If you are waiting around for a table at a packed restaurant and you are complaining about how unprepared they are...others will follow suit. If you spend the time talking about all the wonderful stuff OKC is doing and giving tips of must sees...then people will be positive and have a positive outlook of OKC. I do not see how anyone can walk through the Peake and walk through Bricktown on a weekend and think it is gloomy and dingy No doubt. I was at the NCAA Wrestling Championships and sat by two Minnesota fans that were raving about OKC. They had been to two previous championships in St. Louis and said that OKC was far superior in regards to convenience and things to do downtown. warreng88 03-25-2014, 01:18 PM I was in BT Friday night meeting some friends for a friend's going away party. I parked south of Bass Pro and walked to Michael Murphy's to say hi to a friend then back to Toby Keith's (not my choice) for dinner. On the 20 minute walk or so that I had, I encountered fans from MN, PSU, Iowa, Ohio, Illinois. I was alone and walking with a predetermined destination in mind, so I guess I looked local. They asked for good places to eat (several recommendations based on their likes), what to do (bowling, movies, Myriad Gardens, Spokies, canal boat ride) and a group of guys asked for good places for hot girls. I will keep my answer to that one to myself. In the times I responded to them, I always remained positive and the only issue I ever brought up was mass transit which didn't bother any of them because they were staying in BT/DT and walking everywhere. Not one person complained about OKC being backwards, boring, etc. Most of them were impressed with what was going on and couldn't wait to come back to visit. I even passed out a few business cards if they had questions to e-mail me. okclee 03-25-2014, 01:25 PM Soondoc speaks the truth. I have been holding off but I am going to say it now........ . I got a real "laugh out loud" at this line by bchris. :cool: bchris02 03-25-2014, 01:31 PM Sorry about my negativity everyone. king183 03-25-2014, 02:15 PM I saw plenty of out of state wrestling fans in the Plaza this weekend, shopping and eating. They all seemed to be enjoying themselves and didn't appear to think they were trapped in a glass case of doom. I think bchris and the other guy are just projecting their own opinion of OKC onto others in search of a bit of validation. ANYWAY....Stage Center Tower. Wool! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk boitoirich 03-25-2014, 02:17 PM Is there a way to move the spirited discussion above to its own thread? I love this forum, but there is a severe lack of topic discipline that detracts from the experience. OKCisOK4me 03-25-2014, 09:19 PM Man...I'd love to see an update on everything that is at the top of the New Posts section too but folks like soondoc are too old to realize what they're doing...which is trying overly too hard to make an impression. Can't pad your post count like that, lol. Probably a good thing we don't have a reputation button. If you see a topic like this blowup with 25+ posts in an hour then you know it's real ;-) UnFrSaKn 03-25-2014, 09:40 PM Everyone just follow on Twitter. That's where Pete puts all the actual updates worth reading. There are daily tweets. PhiAlpha 03-25-2014, 09:59 PM You officially lose all credibility in my books. As if anyone took you very seriously to begin with with all the nonsense you blabber on about OKC not being good enough. OKC can improve, but it's nowhere near the backwards black hole that you make it out to be. The ignore button is a very worthwhile feature when it comes to simple minded transplants like yourself that want to compare OKC to every other larger city in the U.S. and claim that's why OKC is still living in the 90's. I know you know about OKC's past and you make sure to say it's nothing like it was in the 90's, but you still seem to think that we're just supposed to leap 30 years into the future in spite of our slow start. I remember you complaining about Charlotte before you moved to OKC and right after you moved to OKC and the death trap that you made it out to be, so I don't think it's OKC you want to complain about. I think it's just what you do. The ironic thing is that you used to steer away from the positives on Charlotte and now you're advocating OKC to become more like Charlotte. You can live in all the big and/or booming cities that you want, but quit comparing OKC to those cities because it's known by everyone on this board that OKC isn't quite booming population wise and it definitely isn't a big city (Dallas, Atlanta, etc.). If you think OKC is so backwoods because it's not Charlotte or Atlanta, then you should've stayed in those cities. I personally like what's going on in OKC, but I'm so fed up with reading your beyond negative opinion on everything that happens in OKC. There are those few times that you give props about something happening in OKC and I thank God for those posts because they are few and far between. The rest of the time it's posts about Tulsa gets everything first because OKC is viewed so negatively and Tulsa is just a better city to be in or OKC's grocery shopping sucks because Wal-Mart has a death grip on the market, which I don't really disagree with, and OKC not being ready for Costco or residential high-rise's, etc., and then of course the fateful comparisons to Charlotte, Austin, Nashville, etc. to further try and prove that OKC is small time. Just quit it already; other posters would like you a little bit more and wouldn't mock you all the time if you'd quit being that outside voice that's trying to convince everyone that OKC isn't as great as it's made out to be. We know we've got a ways to go but we also can see how far we've come; your lowly stance on OKC isn't changing our minds. Don't forget the frequent doom posts about our severe weather and how it's the defining reason that everyone in america doesn't move here (in addition to Walmart's stranglehold on our market, which I still disagree with). He lost his credibility with the "Why would anyone ever live here?" post immediately after the Moore tornado on the city data forum. It really just shows his lack of familiarity with OKC and the fact that he unfortunately happened to move here during two of the most active tornado seasons in the last decade (or maybe just unfortunately moved here period). Seriously, you have a better chance of getting hit by a tornado in Florida then you do here, albeit a less damaging one. To most of us who live here, other than a very unfortunate handful of people, tornados and severe weather in general are just a nuisance that we all know we might have to deal with a few times a year. PhiAlpha 03-25-2014, 10:04 PM You officially lose all credibility in my books. As if anyone took you very seriously to begin with with all the nonsense you blabber on about OKC not being good enough. OKC can improve, but it's nowhere near the backwards black hole that you make it out to be. The ignore button is a very worthwhile feature when it comes to simple minded transplants like yourself that want to compare OKC to every other larger city in the U.S. and claim that's why OKC is still living in the 90's. I know you know about OKC's past and you make sure to say it's nothing like it was in the 90's, but you still seem to think that we're just supposed to leap 30 years into the future in spite of our slow start. I remember you complaining about Charlotte before you moved to OKC and right after you moved to OKC and the death trap that you made it out to be, so I don't think it's OKC you want to complain about. I think it's just what you do. The ironic thing is that you used to steer away from the positives on Charlotte and now you're advocating OKC to become more like Charlotte. You can live in all the big and/or booming cities that you want, but quit comparing OKC to those cities because it's known by everyone on this board that OKC isn't quite booming population wise and it definitely isn't a big city (Dallas, Atlanta, etc.). If you think OKC is so backwoods because it's not Charlotte or Atlanta, then you should've stayed in those cities. I personally like what's going on in OKC, but I'm so fed up with reading your beyond negative opinion on everything that happens in OKC. There are those few times that you give props about something happening in OKC and I thank God for those posts because they are few and far between. The rest of the time it's posts about Tulsa gets everything first because OKC is viewed so negatively and Tulsa is just a better city to be in or OKC's grocery shopping sucks because Wal-Mart has a death grip on the market, which I don't really disagree with, and OKC not being ready for Costco or residential high-rise's, etc., and then of course the fateful comparisons to Charlotte, Austin, Nashville, etc. to further try and prove that OKC is small time. Just quit it already; other posters would like you a little bit more and wouldn't mock you all the time if you'd quit being that outside voice that's trying to convince everyone that OKC isn't as great as it's made out to be. We know we've got a ways to go but we also can see how far we've come; your lowly stance on OKC isn't changing our minds. Double post Plutonic Panda 03-25-2014, 10:29 PM Everyone just follow on Twitter. That's where Pete puts all the actual updates worth reading. There are daily tweets.It would be really nice if there was a feature where posts that actually include useful info like updates to a project, announcements, photos of the profess etc.. could be filtered and the opinions and criticism would be hidden(if chosen by the user). So whenever you post something, you click "fact or opinion". If it is anything that is not an update, announcement, or a photo, it is classified as an opinion and the option would be there to filter it out. okcpulse 03-25-2014, 11:01 PM I think once again people are placing too much emphasis on OKC meeting "big league" expectations. A city doesn't need a professional team or upscale amenities to be big league. Being home to a professional team is a testament to Oklahoma City's economy. Likewise, upscale amenities is a symptom of having a successful economy. It represents an established city, not a big league city. A city becomes 'big league' only once it becomes well established as a place of influence in industry, culture and politics. Oklahoma City is in the process of establishing itself. This isn't something that happens overnight. It's a transformation. A caterpillar doesn't crawl onto a tree to become a butterfly overnight. It will take time. We need to let Oklahoma City perfect its own process, overcome its challenges and establish its identity over the course of time. Rushing OKC into being something that long-established cities are is a bad idea. Bickering over where OKC is compared to other cities is a useless endeavor because tomorrow, it is still in the same place it is today. There is nothing wrong with wanting the best for OKC, but we just want what is the best for OKC by standing behind our community, not against it. Get involved, hammer city hall. Hammer property owners. Hammer developers. Demand nothing less than superior quality. We are already starting to see evidence of this taking place. Now let's cultivate it. Urbanized 03-26-2014, 09:14 AM ^^^^^^^ Fantastic post. Sometimes on this site we lack this type of mature perspective. The type of changes we hope for (and are experiencing) usually require a generation or two. We are seeing amazing change and growth every 2, 3, 5, 10 years. It's not always easy to be patient when you are watching every brick being laid, but this will be a different city in 10 years than it is today, and many, many communities cannot say that. soonerguru 03-26-2014, 11:01 AM i think once again people are placing too much emphasis on okc meeting "big league" expectations. A city doesn't need a professional team or upscale amenities to be big league. Being home to a professional team is a testament to oklahoma city's economy. Likewise, upscale amenities is a symptom of having a successful economy. It represents an established city, not a big league city. A city becomes 'big league' only once it becomes well established as a place of influence in industry, culture and politics. Oklahoma city is in the process of establishing itself. This isn't something that happens overnight. It's a transformation. A caterpillar doesn't crawl onto a tree to become a butterfly overnight. It will take time. We need to let oklahoma city perfect its own process, overcome its challenges and establish its identity over the course of time. Rushing okc into being something that long-established cities are is a bad idea. Bickering over where okc is compared to other cities is a useless endeavor because tomorrow, it is still in the same place it is today. There is nothing wrong with wanting the best for okc, but we just want what is the best for okc by standing behind our community, not against it. Get involved, hammer city hall. Hammer property owners. Hammer developers. Demand nothing less than superior quality. We are already starting to see evidence of this taking place. Now let's cultivate it. like! Oh GAWD the Smell! 03-26-2014, 11:10 AM Nothing on this page belongs in this thread. I don't give two sh*ts about opinions of this city in the context of this thread, I come in here for STAGE CENTER TOWER information. Instead, I wind up scrolling past out of place diatribes and paragraph after paragraph of butthurt. Do you people seriously have no idea how to internet? Of Sound Mind 03-26-2014, 11:11 AM Nothing on this page belongs in this thread. I don't give two sh*ts about opinions of this city in the context of this thread, I come in here for STAGE CENTER TOWER information. Instead, I wind up scrolling past out of place diatribes and paragraph after paragraph of butthurt. Do you people seriously have no idea how to internet? Talk about butthurt... Oh GAWD the Smell! 03-26-2014, 11:20 AM I am pretty torn up about it. OKCRT 03-27-2014, 07:41 PM So did they get the stage building built yet? It's so small I couldn't see it from I-40 today.:tongue: At least this post in ON TOPIC! OKCRT 03-29-2014, 01:03 PM No doubt. I was at the NCAA Wrestling Championships and sat by two Minnesota fans that were raving about OKC. They had been to two previous championships in St. Louis and said that OKC was far superior in regards to convenience and things to do downtown. Whoever told you that doesn't know what they are talking about. There's so much more to do in St. Louis VS Okc it's not even debatable. Of course the St. Louis area is right around 3 mil. in pop vs 1.3 Okc. Urbanized 03-29-2014, 01:27 PM They post didn't say they felt OKC was a bigger place or more cosmopolitan or had more to offer overall. It specifically said OKC was "superior in regards to convenience and things to do downtown." I heard the same thing myself from a number of the wrestling fans. I've never been to downtown St. Louis, but OKC performs very well compared to many larger cities for people who are staying downtown for an event, conference or convention. It is remarkably compact, walkable and has a diverse offering of entertaimment and dining options. I regularly talk to sports fans and conference attendees who express surprise and admiration for what OKC offers in this regard. Jim Kyle 03-29-2014, 10:59 PM I've never been to downtown St. Louis, but OKC performs very well compared to many larger cities for people who are staying downtown for an event, conference or convention. It is remarkably compact, walkable and has a diverse offering of entertaimment and dining options. I regularly talk to sports fans and conference attendees who express surprise and admiration for what OKC offers in this regard.I have been, not very many years ago, and while it's true that the place is much larger than is OKC, it's also true that over the years it has suffered much more sprawl also, with the result that the majority of "things to do" are rather far from the downtown area -- and downtown itself isn't much more pedestrian friendly than is the OKC CBD. Just to visit the Arch, for instance, requires first driving to its parking area, which is a bit difficult to locate and is well-removed from the actual entrance, which can be reached only through a nicely landscap3ed but oh so spacious park... bchris02 03-30-2014, 02:44 AM Many larger cities may have many of their amenities clustered in areas other than downtown even if those amenities are far above and beyond what OKC offers. For visitors, convenience and ability to easily get to those amenities is just as important as having them available. With that in mind, I can see how OKC may beat out a larger city like St. Louis. Urbanized 03-30-2014, 07:52 AM ^^^^^ Like. I think. Spartan 03-30-2014, 09:53 AM Whoever told you that doesn't know what they are talking about. There's so much more to do in St. Louis VS Okc it's not even debatable. Of course the St. Louis area is right around 3 mil. in pop vs 1.3 Okc. Yeah OKC does perform well as a host city even up against some larger cities, but St. Louis is probably not one of those. That is a city steeped in soul and vitality. Rover 03-30-2014, 10:13 AM St. Louis is steeped in soul and vitality, but the inner city suffered. It has had long periods of deteriorization and crime downtown. Downtown OKC has a much better, cleaner, and safer feel and reality with as much vitality...especially on the weekends with events. soonerguru 03-30-2014, 12:02 PM Yeah OKC does perform well as a host city even up against some larger cities, but St. Louis is probably not one of those. That is a city steeped in soul and vitality. It's been a few years since I've been there, and while it is a fabulous city, its downtown area was not a very vibrant or tourist-friendly place. Just the facts 04-01-2014, 08:17 AM St. Louis is steeped in soul and vitality, but the inner city suffered. It has had long periods of deteriorization and crime downtown. Downtown OKC has a much better, cleaner, and safer feel and reality with as much vitality...especially on the weekends with events. Well worth the time to watch: The Pruitt-Igoe Myth ? a Documentary (http://www.pruitt-igoe.com/) g7RwwkNzF68 ChrisHayes 04-01-2014, 09:01 AM The only part of St Louis that I like is the river front around the Gateway Arch. Aside from that I can't wait to get out of it whenever I'm there. They especially have to deal with that stain that is known as Easat St Louis. As Oklahoma City develops, and we get more recreational venues, we'll put St Louis to shame. The river front and Brick Town could be two vital areas to do just that. There's a lot of acreage along the river front, both east and west of Downtown that could offer a lot to develop for recreation. OKVision4U 04-01-2014, 09:30 AM Now that we are at April 1, ...any new announcements for the Stage Center Tower? skanaly 04-01-2014, 11:36 AM They are adding 40 more stories skanaly 04-01-2014, 11:37 AM April fools Urbanized 04-01-2014, 11:53 AM Well played. Spartan 04-01-2014, 12:21 PM St. Louis is steeped in soul and vitality, but the inner city suffered. It has had long periods of deteriorization and crime downtown. Downtown OKC has a much better, cleaner, and safer feel and reality with as much vitality...especially on the weekends with events. You and soonerguru should check out Wash Ave next time you're there, as that's the main hotspot. I'm also not sure what you mean by juxtaposing the inner cities of STL and OKC. OKC doesn't have an inner city compared to STL. Much of the "inner" core is in "suburbs" like Clayton or University City. Many STL hoods have held on while others haven't. STL, like Cleveland, used to be one of the top 4/5 cities in the nation and so similarly to Europe, its greatness is the built legacy of what was. Rover 04-01-2014, 01:32 PM I lived in St. Louis for awhile and really like St. Louis and even had a great project there awhile back...the Westin by the old stadium (historic building redo). Not attacking them. BUT, downtown has suffered and at times has been very unsafe. Was there last summer for some baseball and it was better, but still big pockets of problems. Highway system downtown is awful. Streets were in marginal shape. Many, many vacant spaces. On the positive side, it WAS better than a few years ago. And, as you say, there are nice ethnic areas and great pockets. And, even though Cleveland is losing population and has a poor national image, it has some great history. Spartan 04-01-2014, 01:57 PM What city not named Austin or Portland has a positive national image? bchris02 04-01-2014, 02:21 PM What city not named Austin or Portland has a positive national image? Many, many cities. Off the top of my head, Seattle, San Fran, Denver, Charlotte, and New Orleans are pretty well liked. This article sums it up. Do Rankings Affect Our Opinions of Cities? - Samuel Arbesman - The Atlantic Cities (http://www.theatlanticcities.com/arts-and-lifestyle/2012/01/do-rankings-affect-our-opinions-cities/883/) CuatrodeMayo 04-01-2014, 03:10 PM I've only visited St. Louis once and I spend most of my time in Forest Park and the nearby neighborhoods. It was fantastic. Plutonic Panda 04-01-2014, 03:35 PM Many, many cities. Off the top of my head, Seattle, San Fran, Denver, Charlotte, and New Orleans are pretty well liked. This article sums it up. Do Rankings Affect Our Opinions of Cities? - Samuel Arbesman - The Atlantic Cities (http://www.theatlanticcities.com/arts-and-lifestyle/2012/01/do-rankings-affect-our-opinions-cities/883/) New Orleans? Rover 04-01-2014, 03:54 PM Many, many cities. Off the top of my head, Seattle, San Fran, Denver, Charlotte, and New Orleans are pretty well liked. This article sums it up. Do Rankings Affect Our Opinions of Cities? - Samuel Arbesman - The Atlantic Cities (http://www.theatlanticcities.com/arts-and-lifestyle/2012/01/do-rankings-affect-our-opinions-cities/883/) I would add Minneapolis as a city with a good national image. Salt Lake City, maybe. Sante Fe. Boulder. AP 04-01-2014, 04:01 PM I would add Minneapolis as a city with a good national image. Salt Lake City, maybe. Sante Fe. Boulder. I guess you didn't read the article? And the ten cities with the highest percentage of negative reactions: 10. Salt Lake City, Utah 9. Milwaukee, Wis. 8. Columbus, Ohio 7. Jacksonville, Fla. 6. St. Louis, Mo. 5. Cincinnati, Ohio 4. Oklahoma City, Okla. 3. Cleveland, Ohio 2. Birmingham, Ala. 1. Detroit, Mich. Rover 04-01-2014, 04:15 PM St. Lake City is a nice city. However, it gains negative reactions often because many people misunderstand Mormans. I'm amazed at how many people think you can't even get a drink of alcohol in SLC. I thought this part from the article was interesting: "The positive or negative opinions of our survey respondents were correlated, often quite strongly, with such metrics as change in population, housing prices, and cost of living, and inversely correlated with measures like crime and unemployment. " OKC would rate very positively in ALL those areas, and yet it had many negative reactions. Given this is a two year old survey, I wonder if there would be any change, or whether people's outdated impressions are stronger than fact. I also wonder how many of the cities the respondants actually have personal experience with or whether this survey is actually measuring the effectiveness of PR. If the impressions are related to released and publicized data and not based on actual experiences, then it isn't measuring facts, it is measuring effectiveness of media. OKVision4U 04-01-2014, 04:51 PM St. Lake City is a nice city. However, it gains negative reactions often because many people misunderstand Mormans. I'm amazed at how many people think you can't even get a drink of alcohol in SLC. I thought this part from the article was interesting: "The positive or negative opinions of our survey respondents were correlated, often quite strongly, with such metrics as change in population, housing prices, and cost of living, and inversely correlated with measures like crime and unemployment. " OKC would rate very positively in ALL those areas, and yet it had many negative reactions. Given this is a two year old survey, I wonder if there would be any change, or whether people's outdated impressions are stronger than fact. I also wonder how many of the cities the respondants actually have personal experience with or whether this survey is actually measuring the effectiveness of PR. If the impressions are related to released and publicized data and not based on actual experiences, then it isn't measuring facts, it is measuring effectiveness of media. It may have a great deal to do with Tornado's. The movie Twister & Moore F-5's are not a "positive" in most opinion poles. Rover 04-01-2014, 05:02 PM It may have a great deal to do with Tornado's. The movie Twister & Moore F-5's are not a "positive" in most opinion poles. I saw no reference to natural disasters as being a correlation. Nor do we know what questions were asked, how they were asked, and in what order they were asked...all very important in affecting outcomes. Give us the questions and the methodology used on the survey and we might get a glimpse into the relevance of the answers. We have no idea of the selection process for those surveyed and how representative they are of the greater population. This survey may be very accurate, but we can get no sense of that from the article shown. Bellaboo 04-01-2014, 05:06 PM Many, many cities. Off the top of my head, Seattle, San Fran, Denver, Charlotte, and New Orleans are pretty well liked. This article sums it up. Do Rankings Affect Our Opinions of Cities? - Samuel Arbesman - The Atlantic Cities (http://www.theatlanticcities.com/arts-and-lifestyle/2012/01/do-rankings-affect-our-opinions-cities/883/) This article is over 2 years old. The Thunder have done a lot to improve our image since then, believe it or not. hoya 04-01-2014, 05:20 PM St. Lake City is a nice city. However, it gains negative reactions often because many people misunderstand Mormans. I'm amazed at how many people think you can't even get a drink of alcohol in SLC. I thought this part from the article was interesting: "The positive or negative opinions of our survey respondents were correlated, often quite strongly, with such metrics as change in population, housing prices, and cost of living, and inversely correlated with measures like crime and unemployment. " OKC would rate very positively in ALL those areas, and yet it had many negative reactions. Given this is a two year old survey, I wonder if there would be any change, or whether people's outdated impressions are stronger than fact. I also wonder how many of the cities the respondants actually have personal experience with or whether this survey is actually measuring the effectiveness of PR. If the impressions are related to released and publicized data and not based on actual experiences, then it isn't measuring facts, it is measuring effectiveness of media. If it correlates with cost of living and housing prices, then OKC will do very poorly. The cities that do well are the ones with high housing prices. It's directly related, not inversely. Jersey Boss 04-01-2014, 05:24 PM This article is over 2 years old. The Thunder have done a lot to improve our image since then, believe it or not. How so? Reason I am asking is that all the cities on the list have pro teams, except for Birmingham. 4 of the cities have NBA teams. Urbanized 04-01-2014, 05:29 PM St. Lake City is a nice city. However, it gains negative reactions often because many people misunderstand Mormans. I'm amazed at how many people think you can't even get a drink of alcohol in SLC... This is absolutely true. My best friend / Thunder season ticket partner and I have gone to at least one Thunder away game since the team arrived here, with the goal being to attend a game in every NBA city. I have repeatedly tried to get him to go to SLC, which I think would be a fantastic trip, and despite the stated goal, he can't be persuaded AT ALL to move the city from the bottom of the list. He thinks it will be the worst dud of a town/trip in the entire league. I have family who live there, and my cousin (a lapsed LDS himself) says there is quite the population there who rebel against the conservatism of the general market and make it a relatively good town for carousing, but my buddy won't hear of it. Heck, I'd like to go just for the locale/scenery. dankrutka 04-01-2014, 06:02 PM This article is over 2 years old. The Thunder have done a lot to improve our image since then, believe it or not. I would guess that the Thunder have helped a little, but most stereotypes - which is probably the basis for the negative image - likely are still there for most people. Just the facts 04-01-2014, 06:49 PM Salt Lake City is one of my favorite cities. Their downtown is amazing. ljbab728 04-01-2014, 10:55 PM Who cares about SLC. I want to hear more about the 40 floors that got added to the Stage Center Tower plans. :) Bellaboo 04-02-2014, 07:37 AM How so? Reason I am asking is that all the cities on the list have pro teams, except for Birmingham. 4 of the cities have NBA teams. I'm not comparing to others, just ourselves. If you watch ESPN on any given day, OKC is mentioned via Thunder in a positive way.....wasn't that way a few years ago. |