I think OU will beat Tech. All bets off against Baylor.

Very true. Baylor's 6-0, scored at least 70 points in all but two of the six games. One of the two was 69 points. They've taken care of business as they should, and then some. They'll be tough for OU. Oklahoma, to me, is playing like a squad of individuals with no cohesiveness as a team from one week to the next.

So looking at how this season is shaping up...and probably another round of conference realignment coming in the Spring, thought some performances by teams are notable.

UCF - American - 5-1 record - good wins this year are @ PSU, and @ #8 Louisville, I would also say a 3 pt loss to South Carolina is pretty good as well. They would bring regular games in Florida and help overall recruiting down there. Historically UCF has been very up and down, but that is no different than Missouri, Kansas, KSU, etc that we have or have had in conference. Big TV market is also attractive.

Cincinnati - American - 5-2 record - Overall a pretty flat year with no top end competition. They would get the Big 12 into a good sized TV market, recruiting in Ohio, KY and IN, and also helps connect the island WVU is out on.

BYU - Ind - 5-2 record - Overall not a bad team. It doesn't help being out by themselves in Utah, but they do have a following. They did win against Texas and at Houston this year so far. They also won again Georgia Tech at home, who isn't having a great year. Lost to Virginia and Utah. Not sure how much they would add to the table though for recruiting and TV play. Of course their olympic sports would refuse to play on Sunday which is an issue.

ND - Ind - 5-2 record - ND is ND. They are tied to the ACC, but would be a coup to get. I'm not expecting any ability to pull them in though, but it would be huge for recruiting and TV play.

Boise St - MWC - 5-2 record - Down year for them with a loss at Washington and Fresno. Not much in the TV viewing world to get and recruiting probably wouldn't get a huge boost.

Fresno St - MWC - 6-0 record - Good year for them so far, but they haven't really played anyone...nor will they. They would get us into California which would be great for recruiting and also some good TV play out there. I wonder if they are just too far west if they aren't brought in with BYU.

I guess I'll toss in some of my MAC schools as well...

NIU - MAC - 7-0 record - Another good year for them after going to the BCS last year. Best win is probably at Iowa. They would bring a good recruiting point in IL and WI. The Chicago TV market comes into play as well some (yes they are out in Rockford). However, they are a solid MAC member and core members haven't left for decades.

Ball St - MAC - 7-1 record - Doing well this year, but do have a loss at North Texas and that's not good at all. Would get the IN TV market and recruiting field, but again another solid core MAC member that won't leave.

Those are probably the only schools that would really be in play to bring into the Big 12. The only other option would be raiding the ACC which I'm not sure would even be possible now. Obviously it has been discussed before that the targets would likely be Florida State, Clemson, and probably Virginia Tech. Those are their top teams right now and I can't see them leaving. Though bringing them in would make the Big 12 relevant again overnight and have a recruiting base and TV market to rival the SEC.

All we need is to score 28, maybe 30 points as OU 's O is so bad. Another
pointed this out last week & the moe I watch OU & think about it, the
more I agree w/ him.

Also, Most expected us to be the 6-1 team. 188/rolling.gif

This is the level of respect that even well know mature Tech fans are giving our OU program on their message boards...
They are talking big.
If you’re an OU fan its time to fight back.

That reminds of the raucous night a few years ago when Tech came to Norman in 2008 and they were ranked number two and expected to give us a beat down. That was one of the most fun games I've ever been to in Norman. There were a huge number of Tech fans all over the stadium ready to celebrate and they got quiet very quickly with a halftime score of OU 42 and Tech 7.

That reminds of the raucous night a few years ago when Tech came to Norman in 2008 and they were ranked number two and expected to give us a beat down. That was one of the most fun games I've ever been to in Norman. There were a huge number of Tech fans all over the stadium ready to celebrate and they got quiet very quickly with a halftime score of OU 42 and Tech 7.
This OU team is not as good as the 2008 team.
This 2013 OU team needs its fans even more than that fine night.

The Tech QB is a freshman..... he has never seen a truly large hostile crowd.
A loud raucous crowd could rattle him and help create mistakes and turnovers.

This OU team is not as good as the 2008 team.
This 2013 OU team needs its fans even more than that fine night.

The Tech QB is a freshman..... he has never seen a truly large hostile crowd.
A loud raucous crowd could rattle him and help create mistakes and turnovers.


An this Tech team isn't as good as that 2008 team. I agree about the crowd needing to help though.

Sam Bradford is out for the season, that sucks

An this Tech team isn't as good as that 2008 team. I agree about the crowd needing to help though.I think it's way too soon to pass judgment about this Tech team.
They really haven't faced stiff competition yet. Their defense is likely better than in 2008.
In spite of all our problems OU will still be the toughest team Tech has played so far.
Stoops indicated today that he would like an OU crowed that was loud and into the game.

Wouldnt be surprised to see Tech lose their 5 final games...or at least 4 of them. OU, OSU, KState, Baylor and Texas still loom for them.

As an OU alumni and graduate, my hope is that OU beats Tech. But for the sake of the standings of the Big 12, Tech and Baylor need to roll. Texas is a joke, and the fact that OU lost to them is worse. The min. OSU was picked to win the big 12, I knew they would have a hard year (also a OSU alum.), they won it when they were picked to finish in the bottom 4. It is a balanced conference - everyone is having a bad year. The exception is Baylor and T.Tech. They need to finish strong to support the "Big 12". This is important, it shows the strength of conference play and attracts athletes who might start going to the SEC or Pac 12 - or worse yet, Big 10.

Sam Bradford is out for the season, that sucks

Unfortunately since he plays for the Rams he is out for the career

I think it's way too soon to pass judgment about this Tech team.
They really haven't faced stiff competition yet. Their defense is likely better than in 2008.
In spite of all our problems OU will still be the toughest team Tech has played so far.
Stoops indicated today that he would like an OU crowed that was loud and into the game.

I see. It's OK for you to pass judgement about this OU team compared to 2008 but it's not OK to do that for Tech. Got it.

After 7 games this Tech has outscored their opponents 288 to 131. In 2008 it was 321 to 152. I would argue that the overall strength of the opponents were similar. Their toughest test were still to come in both years.

I see. It's OK for you to pass judgement about this OU team compared to 2008 but it's not OK to do that for Tech. Got it.

After 7 games this Tech has outscored their opponents 288 to 131. In 2008 it was 321 to 152. I would argue that the overall strength of the opponents were similar. Their toughest test were still to come in both years.

The reason why its more than OK is because this years Tech team has played a very weak schedule.
By the time we played them in 2008 they had beaten a highly ranked Texas.
To be fair we really don't know what they have this year, yet.

This is the great thing about the game...., watching and finding out answers to such questions.

Rain chances are now 50%. for the OU Tech game

The reason why its more than OK is because this years Tech team has played a very weak schedule.
By the time we played them in 2008 they had beaten a highly ranked Texas.
To be fair we really don't know what they have this year, yet.

This is the great thing about the game...., watching and finding out answers to such questions.
Sorry, but that doesn't address my issue about you passing judgement on OU but don't want to on Tech. It's either too early for both or not too early for either. You're forgetting that Tech played Texas in 2008 in the 8th game of the year and OU in the 10th. I am talking about an earlier season evaluation and mentioning that Tech beat Texas in 2008 seems to support my opinion that this years team is not as good as 2008. If Tech ends up the regular season with just one loss as they did in 2008 I will certainly admit I was wrong.

Sorry, but that doesn't address my issue about you passing judgement on OU but don't want to on Tech. It's either too early for both or not too early for either. You're forgetting that Tech played Texas in 2008 in the 8th game of the year and OU in the 10th. I am talking about an earlier season evaluation and mentioning that Tech beat Texas in 2008 seems to support my opinion that this years team is not as good as 2008. If Tech ends up the regular season with just one loss as they did in 2008 I will certainly admit I was wrong.

You could be right about Tech... but I'm not yet prepared to say one way or another if this Tech team is better or worse. I will know a lot more at about 6:15 pm Saturday evening.

Because OU has play a much tougher secluded its a lot easier to see what OU has.
That and I have watched every single snap of this season and of the 2008 season in most cases 3 or 4 times. Its really not hard to see that this OU team is not as good as the 2008 team who played for a NC.
Further more no responsible analyst would say that the 2013 OU team was even close to as good as that 2008 team who had so many first round draft choices

Further more no responsible analyst would say that the 2013 OU team was even close to as good as that 2008 team who had so many first round draft choices

And I think most of your analysts would say the same thing about Tech based on what has happened to this point.

And I think most of your analysts would say the same thing about Tech based on what has happened to this point.

I have been paying close attention and nobody that I have heard has said that they think this Tech team is worse.....but I have heard chatter from the radio types about this OU team not being as good.

About OU I can look at OU and see it. Tech not so much because they have played much of anyone yet.

I have been paying close attention and nobody that I have heard has said that they think this Tech team is worse.....but I have heard chatter from the radio types about this OU team not being as good.

About OU I can look at OU and see it. Tech not so much because they have played much of anyone yet.

LOL, this is just so funny. As in every thread where you post, you just can't accept that you made a statement that might not be correct and you are the final authority on everything. I'm certainly not saying this OU team is better than 2008 just that I see no reason to say Tech is and my opinion is that they aren't. At this point in 2008 Tech hadn't really played anyone either. Just what do you see that makes you think Tech is better than 2008? They sure aren't posting Oregon or Baylor like scores. As you said, though, we will find out.

LOL, this is just so funny. As in every thread where you post, you just can't accept that you made a statement that might not be correct and you are the final authority on everything. I'm certainly not saying this OU team is better than 2008 just that I see no reason to say Tech is and my opinion is that they aren't. At this point in 2008 Tech hadn't really played anyone either. Just what do you see that makes you think Tech is better than 2008? They sure aren't posting Oregon or Baylor like scores. As you said, though, we will find out.


I very clearly said that I'm not yet prepared to say one way or another if this Tech team is better or worse now how can that be wrong

But what has been clear for several post is that you are trying to play the I got you game. Well you haven't got crap and in part because you clearly let your feelings bleed over from other threads which is a pretty weak way to do things.




You could be right about Tech... but I'm not yet prepared to say one way or another if this Tech team is better or worse. I will know a lot more at about 6:15 pm Saturday evening.

A moderator might want to rename this thread Official 2013 OU Football Thread.

In other news, I was listening to the Franchise this morning and Sam Mayes and his on air guy were talking about Trevone Boykin and how he should be able to improve as a QB for TCU because where he's at, the only direction he can go is up! I disagree. Casey Pachall got hurt last year and Boykin came in and played the remainder of the year and did nothing. When Casey got hurt again this year and Boykin came in, I knew Homecoming would be a certain victory for OSU. It was just a little slow going on the offense and wayyyyyy too many turnovers. Thankfully, our defense is having a better year this season in the turnover department thanks to Mr. Boykin.

I think TCU should recruit another quarterback and get him ready for play next year if things don't work out for the junior. Trevone may want to look at a different position. Maybe he can switch to defense. Worked for Donovan Woods!

I very clearly said that I'm not yet prepared to say one way or another if this Tech team is better or worse now how can that be wrong

But what has been clear for several post is that you are trying to play the I got you game. Well you haven't got crap and in part because you clearly let your feelings bleed over from other threads which is a pretty weak way to do things.

The only thing I should have said differently is what do you see about the Tech team that would make you hesitant to say better or worse yet. My point remains the same and other threads have absolutely nothing to do with it. After you originally said that OU wasn't as good as 2008 you told me it was too early for me to say that about Tech. You have provided no information to back up why you can say that about OU but I can't say that about Tech. I don't even think a Tech win on Saturday is an answer to that question.

Speaking of comparisons....how about....OU versus common opponents this year?

Oklahoma over Louisiana-Monroe 34-0
Baylor over Louisiana-Monroe 70-7

Oklahoma over West Virginia 16-7
Baylor over West Virginia 73-42

This nuggett is interesting too:

Baylor total points: 388 (Through 6 games)
Oklahoma total points: 190 (Through 7 games)

OU-Baylor will be THE game this season, (assuming OU survives Texas Tech).

Baylor is building a M&W Basketball, Football powerhouse - in Waco, Texas. That's quite an accomplishment to compete like they are in the state of Texas.

Speaking of comparisons....how about....OU versus common opponents this year?

Oklahoma over Louisiana-Monroe 34-0
Baylor over Louisiana-Monroe 70-7

Oklahoma over West Virginia 16-7
Baylor over West Virginia 73-42

This nuggett is interesting too:

Baylor total points: 388 (Through 6 games)
Oklahoma total points: 190 (Through 7 games)

OU-Baylor will be THE game this season, (assuming OU survives Texas Tech).

Baylor is building a M&W Basketball, Football powerhouse - in Waco, Texas. That's quite an accomplishment to compete like they are in the state of Texas.

They have certainly upped their game. I don't want to get off the football subject, but OU is favored over Baylor in women's bball this year.

The only thing I should have said differently is what do you see about the Tech team that would make you hesitant to say better or worse yet. My point remains the same and other threads have absolutely nothing to do with it. After you originally said that OU wasn't as good as 2008 you told me it was too early for me to say that about Tech. You have provided no information to back up why you can say that about OU but I can't say that about Tech. I don't even think a Tech win on Saturday is an answer to that question.I have porvided you an opinion and I'm far from alone in that opinion. People who know far more about football than you or I are saying the same things... If you want documentation you can go out and find it for your self.

OU-Baylor will be THE game this season

and then you found out the game was in Waco...whoops!

as long as Texas loses I'm happy

as long as Texas loses I'm happy

And Oklahoma State

Great game tonight! Got to give credit to Texas Tech for not giving up and putting up a fight but the Sooners wanted it more! Go Sooners!

Kingsbury is going to be a fun coach to have around. It is great having a Leach Jr. around who isn't afraid to gamble. Glad to see hints of Bob the Gambler coming back too.

Love my Sooners, but I just don't see this defense slowing the Baylor offense.

And the Sooners' offense took a hit tonight with Trey Millard going out for the year with a torn ACL.

And the Sooners' offense took a hit tonight with Trey Millard going out for the year with a torn ACL.

I am still very concerned about Baylor. They seem to be a well-oiled machine while our defense has had some problems exposed. This next two weeks will show if Mike Stoops can truly shine as a coach. The energy at the end of the game is certainly promising and there should be a lot of Sooner fans in the stands at Baylor.

I hadn't heard what happened to Trey Millard though we were able to see he was injured up here in Denver on TV. What a great player he has been throughout his OU career. I feel awful about the injury and pray it doesn't damage his pro prospects. Good luck to Millard!

WE HAD A GREAT RUCKUS IN NORMAN.

I have lost my voice and have sore hands but it was great fun.
Following the game Bob Stoops announced on the radio that he gave the OU crowd a game ball for there effort tonight.

Love my Sooners, but I just don't see this defense slowing the Baylor offense.

And the Sooners' offense took a hit tonight with Trey Millard going out for the year with a torn ACL.

Yeah tonight was a great game, love the team...but Baylor is going to destroy them if our D doesn't get things fixed.

Like I said in a post a few days ago, I do not see Baylor scoring over 60 points on the Sooners defense

Baylor is building a M&W Basketball, Football powerhouse - in Waco, Texas. That's quite an accomplishment to compete like they are in the state of Texas.

I've been to Waco. It's possible this is just luck, and there are certainly ebbs and flows in any sports team. Kansas State is a perfect example of this, as they were the butt of the Big Eight. But when a small private school in an armpit location has success in more than one sport, in a state with money, you have to wonder if we will be seeing the NCAA poking around at some point in the future. I remember hearing some rumblings about things going on with the tennis team when my brother was working in the Athletic Department of another Texas school. Either that or they have a genius of an AD.

Like I said in a post a few days ago, I do not see Baylor scoring over 60 points on the Sooners defense
If Nelson and Phillips were playing and a healthy defense would have had most of the season to gel I might agree. OU's defense right now struggles to look decent. They look like a disaster waiting to happen. Exactly what Baylor, unfortunately, has been eating alive. Hope you're right and I'm just being pessimistic.

Just feels a little weird to "upset" someone at Norman lol

Since this is the Big 12 thread and not the OU football thread, here are the scores for the other folks in the conference.

OSU 58 ISU 27 --- How much longer can ISU's coach last?

OU 38 TTU 30 --- Like I said earlier, Kliff is going to be a fun coach to watch.

KSU 35 WVU 12 --- Both teams have just 3 wins. WVU has 4 games left so bowl eligibility is not certain for them. KSU has 5 left so the road is a bit better for them, especially with Kansas and ISU still to play.

Baylor 59 Kansas 14 -- Baylor enters their toughest stretch of the season now. OU, Tech, OSU, TCU, and Texas all on deck for them. We'll find out how real they are. Kansas continues to regret firing Mangino.

Do you really think that ISU is a little too good for Paul Rhodes? I am sure they'd like to be competing for Big 12 championships, but come on now...

Speaking of comparisons....how about....OU versus common opponents this year?

Oklahoma over Louisiana-Monroe 34-0
Baylor over Louisiana-Monroe 70-7

Oklahoma over West Virginia 16-7
Baylor over West Virginia 73-42

This nuggett is interesting too:

Baylor total points: 388 (Through 6 games)
Oklahoma total points: 190 (Through 7 games)

OU-Baylor will be THE game this season, (assuming OU survives Texas Tech).

Baylor is building a M&W Basketball, Football powerhouse - in Waco, Texas. That's quite an accomplishment to compete like they are in the state of Texas.

This was the same Baylor University who many were wanting to throw under the bus and the Big 12 with them for accepting the Bears. TCU and SMU would have been better plumbs from the now defunct Southwest Conference.

I pulled up these same Baylor and T-Tech comparisons. OU-Texas Tech had one (home) like opponent (TCU). OU won 20-17, Tech won 20-10. The OU vs Tech like opponent would have favored Tech; however OU prevailed 38-30 at home against the Red Raiders.

You got to look at them from a defensive standpoint and as well as the offensive productions. That's not that big of a disparity viewing the proportion.

The big key will always be; how will these teams perform against each other in a head to head showdown. Baylor will finally have a home advantage now that they have built a competitive program and selling out home games. When I lived in Fort Worth (late 90s), I drove to Waco several times to see the Sooners at Baylor and you would have thought that this was another home game for OU.

Tarp.

Sun Belt offenses play better than OU's is playing tonight. Just overall pathetic.

Defense is gassed and Baylor has a chance to put it to the metal now unless they can rest up quick during halftime.

Edit: Oh wait...an interception. Never mind on the resting part.

Blake Bell is garbage. I don't know why he's still in. That and Heupel is terrible. I'm over him.

Honestly I can't see how Heupel keeps play calling, let along his job after this season. This offense is just overall terrible. At least let Knight stay in and run. Heck...if we are going to lose anyway, get him some game experience.

Perfect time to pivot to the Thunder...

First touchdown of the night! It only took three quarters....

Bell making Landry Jones look like Joe Montana.

Pretty obvious how poorly OU is recruiting lately. Stoops has looked fed up all night. It obvious the team is broke and isn't anywhere near a Top 10 team or elite anymore. A tough call needs to be made in January.

Pretty obvious how poorly OU is recruiting lately. Stoops has looked fed up all night. It obvious the team is broke and isn't anywhere near a Top 10 team or elite anymore. A tough call needs to be made in January.

It's Heupel... He needs to go.

So many fouls. Such and ugly and completely undisciplined game.

This one is completely on poor and pathetic coaching.

knight needs to play rest of season. Or split between Thompson. Bell goes back to belldozer.

We can blame the offensive coordinator, but the defense was bad, too. I just see better TALENT on the other side of the ball.

I say just give it to the Knight the rest of the season. We are playing for Alamo or a lower bowl at this point...Knight and Thompson are the future of the program, Bell is done after next year.

Though I have to also wonder if Mike Stoops was really the better choice for DC. If we have another couple of seasons like this I have to imagine that it is time for Bob to retire and the entire staff to go away.

If I woke up tomorrow to a headline that read "Entire OU Coaching Staff Fired", I would be okay with that.

If I woke up tomorrow to a headline that read "Entire OU Coaching Staff Fired", I would be okay with that.

I know Bob is one win away from being in a tie with Barry...but he hasn't produced anything near what he did.

I'm not really sure who would be a good replacement for Bob. Of course right now I think the focus just needs to be on a new OC and maybe even a DC.

We can blame the offensive coordinator, but the defense was bad, too. I just see better TALENT on the other side of the ball.

Good observation, zookeeper--there was better TALENT on the other side of the ball. We need to face reality in that Baylor has a better football team.


Oh, how well we remember going to Waco and feasting on Bear meat. Times we use to put 50 to 70 points on the Bears and the stadium was full of crimson & cream--it was like a home away from home. Now, all of that has changed and the shoe is on the other foot.

Oklahoma offensive line couldn't move or open any holes; that was evident tonight.

We got our heads served on a gold platter by a very impressive Baylor team who many thought were overrated. The OU defense did all they could to contain the high octane offense and explosive passing attack put on by the Bears.

Let's get away from the blame-game. We got beat by a better football team...

Give credit to Baylor University, they are a very outstanding football team.

There were at least 25 negative play for OU that had nothing to do with Baylor.

Get away from the blame game? Hasn't it been pretty obvious all season on what the problems are? So is OU just suppose to keep shelling out millions to a coaching staff that can't manage their people effectively? Sorry, but we are past the point of saying "Oh shucks, we'll get them next fellers!" Screw that. Sorry but earning $5 million a year doesn't mean you can stop being competent.

Yes Baylor is a very good team this year. They've been doing much better recruiting wise and getting great talent. However, traditional power OU has been suffocating under a complacent coaching staff that doesn't utilize the talent it has.

It is almost a trademark of Stoops to not pull a QB even if they are sucking it up. If your QB is being as ineffective as Bell has been outside of one game, then you need to sit him for a quarter and give the other guys a chance. The point of it is to win...not just shrug and move on. If they are really going to be asking for $200 million from alums for facility upgrades, it's going to be a lot easier for people to write checks when we are competing for something better than the (present day) Cotton Bowl or Alamo Bowl.

There were at least 25 negative play for OU that had nothing to do with Baylor.

Definitely. So many flags or just botched plays. OU had the talent to win tonight...coaches just didn't use it. 9-3 or 8-4 are looking pretty likely right now.