What was the quote about "if you can't play good enough to beat the other team AND the big 12 refs, you don't deserve to win"?

Seems everybody in the country but TX and the refs saw it as a fumble. They earned their pay that day.

Seems everybody in the country but TX and the refs saw it as a fumble. They earned their pay that day.

People keep stating it like this was simply a fumble, but I think that if the entire play was called correctly that it was not a fumble. The refs should have probably blown the whistle after the runner's forward progress stopped, thus negating the late strip. However, since they took so long to blow the whistle, the play should have resulted in a fumble and ISU should have had the ball. So, in summary, the refs had blown the play dead correctly then the play would have ended before the strip of the ball. Instead, they made two mistakes, but got the result correct. So many fans are quick to throw out conspiracy theories, but it's intellectually lazy. Reffing is a very difficult and complex job, and I don't think the refs were near as bad as people have said (all 3 pass interference calls on that drive were correct).

Of course, I'm sure my tune will change if the same happens to OU this weekend. ;)

Seems everybody in the country but TX and the refs saw it as a fumble. They earned their pay that day.

I still haven't seen the play and don't really care. So many controversial calls today in football. What's the use of talking about it if the call is not reversed post game play? Time to deal with it and move along. Funny things happen at Iowa State...

Well the way its going, looks like it will be a blow out...but with UT on top. OU is looking absolutely pathetic and laughable today.

This is laughable.

This is laughable.

Maybe now people will start to admit this is a very average team. OU is gone from the elite teams in the country while the coaching continues to be this lack luster. I think the defense is getting better, but it might be time to send Heupel packing.

Maybe now people will start to admit this is a very average team. OU is gone from the elite teams in the country while the coaching continues to be this lack luster. I think the defense is getting better, but it might be time to send Heupel packing.

The Big XII is a very average conference... Sad to say.

Maybe now people will start to admit this is a very average team. OU is gone from the elite teams in the country while the coaching continues to be this lack luster. I think the defense is getting better, but it might be time to send Heupel packing.

Please understand the POLITICS of this game. First OU is average and not championship caliber. But the politics are as follows: The Big 12 is not a national conference anymore, relevent to the national discussion. The conference NEEDS both Texas and Oklahoma to be minimally successful to even remain in the conversation nationally, OU beating Texas this year would hurt the B12 even more than ever because the rest of the conference outside of Baylor this year is woeful. Texas has the $$$$ that keeps the conference afloat, the conference leadership WANTS a competivie Texas and because OU is overrated at 12 in the country and would be embarrased in a BCS bowl, this was the time to allow for a Texas win over a ranked team, a OU team that has won 3 in a row. BS will survive this loss with very little grumbling because OU has gone all in with him. AS currently constructed, The Big 12 will very seldom (maybe once a decade)be a meaningful player in the natonal championship conversation.

Let's look on the bright side. We now have zero chance of playing against Oregon or Bama

Let's look on the bright side. We now have zero chance of playing against Oregon or Bama

Thats for sure, that would be a replay of the 55-19 beatdown issured by Reggie Bush and USC. We need to be in a minor pre christmas bowl if any

#7 Georgia fell today too at the hands of Mizzou.

Just want to say that this one hurts... Let's give it up to the Texas Longhorns; they came out to play and they took their game to Oklahoma.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKwwcCpa2Ag

ENOUGH SAID!

Hook 'em!!!!!

Give credit to the Longhorns, they played better and wanted it more than the Sooners did today

The Sooners was awful on offense, special teams, and defense today, they have so much work to do, it is not even funny!

Thats for sure, that would be a replay of the 55-19 beatdown issured by Reggie Bush and USC. We need to be in a minor pre christmas bowl if any

I saw a full grown man cry that night. I laughed on the inside...

Give credit to the Longhorns, they played better and wanted it more than the Sooners did today

The Sooners was awful on offense, special teams, and defense today, they have so much work to do, it is not even funny!

"Let the damsels have their day," they played this one for 'Mack' who was being knifed on his way...

Screw Texas

Nah, screw OU for playing like poop

Screw OU for playing like poop

...and Screw Texas.

Please understand the POLITICS of this game. First OU is average and not championship caliber. But the politics are as follows: The Big 12 is not a national conference anymore, relevent to the national discussion. The conference NEEDS both Texas and Oklahoma to be minimally successful to even remain in the conversation nationally, OU beating Texas this year would hurt the B12 even more than ever because the rest of the conference outside of Baylor this year is woeful. Texas has the $$$$ that keeps the conference afloat, the conference leadership WANTS a competivie Texas and because OU is overrated at 12 in the country and would be embarrased in a BCS bowl, this was the time to allow for a Texas win over a ranked team, a OU team that has won 3 in a row. BS will survive this loss with very little grumbling because OU has gone all in with him. AS currently constructed, The Big 12 will very seldom (maybe once a decade)be a meaningful player in the natonal championship conversation.

These things go in cycles and arguing that the B12 is done for good is short sighted. We will probably go through another period of domination like the 2000s, but you can't win it all every year. I disagree as well that OU and Texas are needed for the conference to be perceived well, but what I would say is you can't just have Baylor as a Top Ten team.

You do need elite teams, but any team that has won a conference championship in the last 4 years can be elite. OSU has been the most consistent team of the last 4/5 years. The huge problem we face is not who is good, but that nobody is good. OU and Texas are down, OSU can't pass, K-State and Tech are Rebuilding. TCU can't keep a roster together. WVU fell off a cliff. Everyone who would be an acceptable front-runner is bad. So we're stuck with Baylor.

Big rivalry games like this doesn't always play out according to records or media hype leading into the big event. Texas made a strategic move when they fired defensive coordinator Manny Diaz following 550-yard thumping by BYU.

When will we get an offensive and a defensive line with some consistency and balance? Not to take away from the outstanding performance by the Horns today; but we need to exploit those big and strong cornbread & buttermilk feed linemen which are in abundance in Texas and the southeast area of the country.

Blake Bell had the pressure dialed up on him today as a result of the offensive line's poor performance and the defense (two key players out) being emotionally & physically challenged to make up for the offenses' lackluster performance.

The play calling was much too conservative and we should have stayed more with our ground attack as Texas did to keep us off-balanced and eat up the clock. You could see the paradigm shift in confidence as both the defensive and offensive lines pushed OU around like a rag doll.

Bell appeared 'indecisive' as to run or pass(?); again, credit the Texas defense which created the confusion.

It was like a physical confrontation with little brother who grew up right before your eyes and landed that knock down punch that stunned the Sooner Nation today.

An opportunity was loss for the OU football team to take the next step. Let's go Sooners; we can still make this a productive season.

Please understand the POLITICS of this game. First OU is average and not championship caliber. But the politics are as follows: The Big 12 is not a national conference anymore, relevent to the national discussion. The conference NEEDS both Texas and Oklahoma to be minimally successful to even remain in the conversation nationally, OU beating Texas this year would hurt the B12 even more than ever because the rest of the conference outside of Baylor this year is woeful. Texas has the $$$$ that keeps the conference afloat, the conference leadership WANTS a competivie Texas and because OU is overrated at 12 in the country and would be embarrased in a BCS bowl, this was the time to allow for a Texas win over a ranked team, a OU team that has won 3 in a row. BS will survive this loss with very little grumbling because OU has gone all in with him. AS currently constructed, The Big 12 will very seldom (maybe once a decade)be a meaningful player in the natonal championship conversation.

Nice hat. From the Reynolds 2014 collection?

When will we get an offensive and a defensive line with some consistency and balance? Not to take away from the outstanding performance by the Horns today; but we need to exploit those big and strong cornbread & buttermilk feed linemen which are in abundance in Texas and the southeast area of the country.

And exactly what incentive will they have to pick Oklahoma?

You don't get to play more storied programs Nebraska or A&M anymore, but hey...well Morgantown can be fun to visit? OOC games we don't really get into the Southeast much which would help for recruiting. We are at Tennessee in 2015, but then won't be back until @LSU in 2019. Sure teams like Ohio State and Nebraska are on the schedule going forward...but that isn't until 2016/2017 and 2021/2022 respectfully. Oh but hold on...there is Tulsa!

If we want any chance of getting more recruits from the Southeast, then we need to start looking at forgetting Tulsa and Louisiana Tech and more on teams in the actual Southeast.

However, why would people pick Oklahoma when a national title isn't a sure thing with the Big 12 anymore? SEC, Big Ten, and PAC 12 are more in a direct line to get there...heck ACC is getting itself righted as well. We've fallen to near the level of the AAC (Old Big East) but not quite...regardless, if Alabama, A&M, or LSU are targeting the same recruit as OU...chances are they won't show up in Norman.

OU's current problems are in three areas:

1. Defensive talent. As many of us speculated in the pre-season, OU is as thin at DT as they've ever been under Stoops. We thought we'd found a bit of a diamond in Jordan Phillips, but he's out, hurt, and that's been a huge loss. Add Nelson to the mix, and you have a defense that, now, isn't as good on paper as we'd hoped it would be during fall camp. That's a talent and recruiting problem that started under Venables and will take at least another season or two to resolve itself.

2. Offensive mindset. Josh Heupel, love him for all he's done, is starting to make it very, very difficult to throw support behind him as a truly diverse O/C. I always somewhat feared that he was one who truly believed, at a fundamental level, that the pass sets up the run, thus explaining his often incomprehensible disposition to force the pass when its simply not there, or the folks running the plays can't execute it. I think that notion was borne out in painfully vivid ways Saturday. Texas is still as fundamentally unsound against the run as they were against BYU; yes, they've tweaked a few things under Robinson, but these are still the same "Jimmy's and Joe's that gave up 550 yards to BYU and were giddy over a 1-point win over Iowa State. Amid that, amid the avalanche of notoriety for this Texas defense being vulnerable to the run game, Heupel designed a game plan that tried to force Blake Bell to throw like he's Landry Jones or Sam Bradford. And we're supposed to be surprised to find he isn't. OU's offensive gameplan yesterday was stupefying. I'm not entirely sure what Heupel is trying to prove, but I can't fathom Stoops is not going behind closed doors with his young OC (now in his third year) and screaming at him, "What on earth are you doing??" OU's offense is a train wreck. Landry Jones and Sam Bradford are gone.Everyone knows it. But Heupel needs to start playcalling like he knows it, too.

3. Offensive line. Bedenbaugh has had one year to work with a line that's played for several with a pass-block-first mentality, and converting that to a more aggressive run philosophy is taking time. Especially when your OC is trying too hard to hold on to his pass-oriented past. OU's OL is struggling. There's no other way to say it. And, again, part of it is whether Bedenbaugh is coaching them to play for an offense other than what the OC is calling. Right now, I'm not sure they're on the same page. You can't tell the guys to start run blocking, to get low, to cut, to get physical, while the OC in the press box is calling 35 passes per game. Somewhere, there's a disconnect.

There's no doubt or question this isn't the most talented OU team under Stoops' tenure, but there's no way it should have been blown out yesterday. OU had the ball, trailing only 13, midway through the third quarter following a shanked punt, and had every expectation to aggressively drive for a TD that would have brought the game within six. But what did we do? We did Texas a favor - one run, two (bad) pass plays, and then a punt returned 85 yards for a touchdown. And that was, essentially, the ballgame.

I hate to say it, but based on how the balance of the season goes, I fear Stoops may have a tough decision facing him after its over. Heupel cannot continue to run this offense as though Mike Leach were still his mentor. This is not the Leach spread. These are not Leach system quarterbacks. These aren't even Kevin Wilson system quarterbacks. Yet he continues to run the offense precisely that way. That, quite simply, can't continue.

Josh Heupel needs to be demoted to Quarterback coach, at least he was great at this position

Dave I have to agree. Heupel is just stuck in tunnel vision of pass pass pass and it is killing us. They probably could have ran on every down yesterday and did better. Would Norvell be any better at play calling than Josh? Who knows.

It would be interesting how much the family politics will come into play if Stoops wants to make any changes. Heupel's sister is married to Dan Boren.

What is with Baylor scoring 70 points a game? I think that streak will be broken next week against Kansas State

I called it!

I am glad Baylor did not tie the Sooners record of 60+ in 5 straight games

I don't think Heupel was ready for play calling duties, still too green to do that. I was hopeful when he was promoted but always felt like he needed some more seasoning.

The Big XII is a very average conference... Sad to say.

The glory days have been gone a while.


#7 Georgia fell today too at the hands of Mizzou.

I wonder how much GA's top 5 players being out had to do with that. Mizzou did play pretty good.

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I don't think Heupel was ready for play calling duties, still too green to do that. I was hopeful when he was promoted but always felt like he needed some more seasoning.

I have learned, being an OSU fan, that the savviest playcalling comes from guys who truly have an innate sense for the ebb and flow. Say what you will about WVU, Holgorsen is a mad genius at playcalling. Monken had a healthy admiration for him and was competent in learning the system.

The worst play callers are very conservative, unsure of themselves, and don't have an innate feel for the game. I don't think that Heupel is as bad as Chuck "3rd and Long" or Yurcich, but OU is obviously not playing to the strengths of its personnel.

If I see Yurcich call another screen pass on first down I'm going to go berserk...that is the OC punting on his own decision making. "We'll surely if I just call it conservative ill offend nobody?" Wrong

And exactly what incentive will they have to pick Oklahoma?

You don't get to play more storied programs Nebraska or A&M anymore, but hey...well Morgantown can be fun to visit? OOC games we don't really get into the Southeast much which would help for recruiting. We are at Tennessee in 2015, but then won't be back until @LSU in 2019. Sure teams like Ohio State and Nebraska are on the schedule going forward...but that isn't until 2016/2017 and 2021/2022 respectfully. Oh but hold on...there is Tulsa!

If we want any chance of getting more recruits from the Southeast, then we need to start looking at forgetting Tulsa and Louisiana Tech and more on teams in the actual Southeast.

However, why would people pick Oklahoma when a national title isn't a sure thing with the Big 12 anymore? SEC, Big Ten, and PAC 12 are more in a direct line to get there...heck ACC is getting itself righted as well. We've fallen to near the level of the AAC (Old Big East) but not quite...regardless, if Alabama, A&M, or LSU are targeting the same recruit as OU...chances are they won't show up in Norman.

I disagree, we still have premier programs. OU will always be OU, Texas will get itself righted, OSU/Tech/K-State are at least as good as A&M historically. TCU and WVU are arguably an upgrade from Mizzou and Colorado.

We just don't have 16 teams. The Big 12 will be okay as long as Texas is the nation's premier athletic program, as much as I hate to say it. If they hire David Shaw or Nick Saban, that will make a huge statement in terms of reasserting our position. I would look forward to competing against their program.

I disagree, we still have premier programs. OU will always be OU, Texas will get itself righted, OSU/Tech/K-State are at least as good as A&M historically. TCU and WVU are arguably an upgrade from Mizzou and Colorado.

We just don't have 16 teams. The Big 12 will be okay as long as Texas is the nation's premier athletic program, as much as I hate to say it. If they hire David Shaw or Nick Saban, that will make a huge statement in terms of reasserting our position. I would look forward to competing against their program.

Academically speaking TCU and WVU were a big downgrade from MU and CU. I'd rather still have CU, but I'm partial because I'm an alum.

For purely selfish reasons I would rather have CU because it would give me a game to go to up here every so often.

Well, that's not going to happen. CU's firmly entrenched as the doormat of the Pac12. They did provide a reason to go see a game when OU played them. Lord knows there's no other reason to go see a CU football game

Lord knows there's no other reason to go see a CU football game

Beer in the stadium? LOL

Okay, this is pretty funny

Oklahoma WR Charged With Two Counts Of Indecent Exposure (http://deadspin.com/oklahoma-wr-charged-with-two-counts-of-indecent-exposur-1446108532)

Okay, this is pretty funny

Oklahoma WR Charged With Two Counts Of Indecent Exposure (http://deadspin.com/oklahoma-wr-charged-with-two-counts-of-indecent-exposur-1446108532)

And what do you find amusing about that?

Well, that's not going to happen. CU's firmly entrenched as the doormat of the Pac12. They did provide a reason to go see a game when OU played them. Lord knows there's no other reason to go see a CU football game
I know, when there was all the talk of going to the Pac 12 that would be the one benefit.


Beer in the stadium? LOL
I don't believe they sell beer at Folsom Field anymore, nor do they in the Coors Events Center.

I don't believe they sell beer at Folsom Field anymore, nor do they in the Coors Events Center.

Well I know I won't ever be back to a game there again then. :wink:

Okay, this is pretty funny

Oklahoma WR Charged With Two Counts Of Indecent Exposure (http://deadspin.com/oklahoma-wr-charged-with-two-counts-of-indecent-exposur-1446108532)

I find it unfortunate and sad. Metoyer's life has been out of control it seems since high school. The poor young man is just losing control. He'll end up having a sex offender mark on him for life now. From a 5-start recruit to likely never touching the NFL let alone be on the field every again in college football. Hopefully he gets the treatment and support he needs.

Okay, this is pretty funny

Oklahoma WR Charged With Two Counts Of Indecent Exposure (http://deadspin.com/oklahoma-wr-charged-with-two-counts-of-indecent-exposur-1446108532)

I think the crossdressing pic of Kenny Stills is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than that.

Okay, this is pretty funny

Oklahoma WR Charged With Two Counts Of Indecent Exposure (http://deadspin.com/oklahoma-wr-charged-with-two-counts-of-indecent-exposur-1446108532)

The pen thing is weird unless he is shoving the pen up his butt

Watching OU/KU...

Wow.

Watching OU/KU...

Wow.


Sooners might be out of the top 25 since they had to make a comeback against crappy Kansas to win the game

Sooners might be out of the top 25 since they had to make a comeback against crappy Kansas to win the game

Doubt it. Most of the voters will just look at the end score. They may drop a spot or two.

I guess I don't understand why anyone is worried about where the Sooners are in the polls. This year's Sooner squad is not a poll-relevant team.

I just think OU has to be in week-to-week survival mode with this defense. I believe their primary adjustment in the 1st quarter was to get their outside LB's to shift in their alignment to the infield side about a yard or two, and to bring up a safety some. Small change, and probably why Alexander was on the headsets for a time in the first half. But it made all the difference in Kansas looking like it had the reincarnation of Gayle Sayers and looking like...well...the Kansas we all expected.

Folks, this is a bad Kansas team. I suppose the team needs a break from the supposed Texas hangover, but that's not always been a characteristic of Stoops teams. I don't know what happened late in the first half, but there was for a time a clear change in Bell's pocket demeanor, where he started throwing with confidence and great authority - and proceeded to throw some of his best passes all year. Strikes. Accurate. Routes that develop relatively quickly. But when plays are called where routes take time to develop, Bell simply doesn't have the time or patience to wait. Now, to be completely fair, the OL hasn't done a great job of protecting him. No question. But, by the same token, Bell often gets very jittery in the pocket, and that makes the slower-developing plays that much harder to execute. And he has no sense of when (or how) to just throw the ball away.

The offense they ran against KU from the mid-2nd quarter on sure would have been nice to see at least in hint form against Texas. Heupel still tends to try and force Bell into being what he isn't - a pocket passer - and that doesn't do him any service. But the success of the QB draw this week just makes me pull my hair out for the fact that I don't think it was even tried last week against a defense we knew going in was almost powerless to stop it.

Every game from here on out will be a tense crapshoot. Quite honestly, OU could lose every remaining game, or win every remaining game - with the possible exception of Baylor. I just don't know yet what to expect against Baylor. Thursday game, cautionary defense...I htink that's going to be a very, very hard game for OU to win. We'll see.

Dave I agree with everything you said. Poll wise...we aren't playing for a championship this year. Big 12 title is still in the realm of possibility, but we need people to lose.

With how inconsistent this team is playing we should be thankful for one thing - we are bowl eligible as of today. :)

So next week we have Tech at home. That is going to be an incredibly tough game.
Playing at Baylor I think we lose.
Iowa State at home should be a gimme, but who knows. I still think we win.
Kansas State is always tough, I'm not really sure how it breaks.
The trip to Stillwater then looks painful. Maybe we can get an earthquake a bit earlier this time to help knock them off their game?

Rest of the Big 12-2 tonight...

Baylor still has a quarter to go in their destruction of ISU - 58 to 0 right now.

Tech beat WVU 37-27
OSU beat TCU 24-10

Looking at the rest of the Top 25...looks like OU may end up moving up just from so many losing tonight. So I modify what I said earlier. :)

I guess I don't understand why anyone is worried about where the Sooners are in the polls. This year's Sooner squad is not a poll-relevant team.

Because it could certainly have an affect on recruiting.

Because it could certainly have an affect on recruiting.

I'm wondering how many of those "big time" recruits they had for the TCU game are going to sign with OU.

I know this isn't Big 12 but..... LSU lost to Ole Miss. :D :D and again I say :D

I know this isn't Big 12 but..... LSU lost to Ole Miss. :D :D and again I say :D

I can tell you're feeling bad for Les. :)

LOL...what people don't miss Les? ;)

Here is the thread for non-big 12 stuff pretty much: http://www.okctalk.com/sports/35075-bcs-2013-discussion-one-more-year-go.html

Baylor - ISU final....71 to 7. We are screwed. LOL

Doubt it. Most of the voters will just look at the end score. They may drop a spot or two.

I just watched a Sportscenter segment about the OU game. While showing highlights it was described as "OU rolling". It's more likely that voters saw that instead of the game. OU also got another boost tonight from Notre Dame's victory over USC.

Baylor - ISU final....71 to 7. We are screwed. LOL

I doubt the Sooners will allow Baylor to score over 60 points

We will be in Norman for the game next week with my Tech alum wife. I really have no idea what to expect from OU week to week, just one of those years.

I think OU will beat Tech. All bets off against Baylor.