Prudery is just a mask behind which people hide any number of things, envy, shame, fear, lust, etc.

Hell, evidently there are folks that think we should hang billboards outside of middle schools telling girls not to bother with school.. that they can make the real money as a porn star.

Yes, that's exactly the issue.

Who thinks middle schoolers should quit school for porn? Probably the same ones behind "seduction of the innocent."

That's awesome. It's nice to see something good came out of all this. The young men and women of our communities need to have value for themselves. The last thing they need to be is someone's good time for a little cash. There are plenty of upstanding methods to support yourself out there that won't lead to you being someone's property.

Well, when those young women get in a guy's face and tell him he looks like an abortion that lived, I'm not surprised that such guys would end up thinking their best hope for female company is to resort to try paying for it. The women who make guys feel like they are untouchable piles of human scum need to be faulted, too.

Well, when those young women get in a guy's face and tell him he looks like an abortion that lived, I'm not surprised that such guys would end up thinking their best hope for female company is to resort to try paying for it. The women who make guys feel like they are untouchable piles of human scum need to be faulted, too.

WTH? Are you having a flashback moment or something? I've been around 43 years and I've never heard a girl tell a guy he looks like an abortion that lived.

If you have (either first or second hand) then I'd suggest tailoring my potential mates to something with a bit more class. And this is coming from a guy whose looks are constantly criticized by TLO but has never had a hard time dating attractive women. And by 'attractive' I mean inside and out.

I can't imagine any girl I'd find attractive that would use such colorful language.

Personally, to me, this billboard topic has little to do with prostitution in general - To me it primarily has to do with the specific targeting of young girls at Oklahoma City University. And secondary is the concern over what this sort of blatant public advertising does to the first impression and overall image of the city.

I remember when there were strip club ads along that same stretch of I-40. I personally thought they were in poor taste, but they weren't stating "Hey single teen moms and students, come be stripper for extra cash." They were targeting male customers who have to be at least 21 to enter the establishment to begin with.

And secondary is the concern over what this sort of blatant public advertising does to the first impression and overall image of the city.


I think this is a very good point.

These ads are in ever major metro area in the country. So getting rid of them just reinforces our image as a backwoods outlier. Of course, that's what lots of people want whether they know it or not.

These ads are in ever major metro area in the country. So getting rid of them just reinforces our image as a backwoods outlier. Of course, that's what lots of people want whether they know it or not.

What ads? ArrangementFinders? Not hardly. They've only appeared in a handful of cities and we've been the only city so far to be able to get rid of them so quickly. Chicago and Philly both had very public outcries against them. Even the mayor's office got involved in trying to get them down.

No city where they've appeared has the city turned a blind eye.

The only thing 'backwoods' is being okay with pimping out your daughter.

These ads are in ever major metro area in the country. So getting rid of them just reinforces our image as a backwoods outlier. Of course, that's what lots of people want whether they know it or not.

Funny you say that. I heard a guy just the other day tell another guy that OKC is a hick, backwoods, Lizard-lick Towing, country gravy cow town because it doesn't have billboards advertising prostitution. Forbes rated us way down on their list of Best Cities In Which To Do Business in because we lack a sufficient number of men's clubs per capita.

I never knew where street prostitution exists in Oklahoma county until the public moralists began advertising it in opposition to it.

Opposition = advertising = promotion of the activity which is opposed. That is an interesting concept.

Even more interesting is that I neither patronize those prostitutes, make my living promoting them or pimp my daughter in the neighborhoods promoted by those who do.

However, I am very much guilty of having the opinion that opposing the billboards doesn't change anybody's behavior or really care much that the ads exist here or any other place.

Nor is my ego such that I consider anybody who disagrees with me guilty of any baseless accusation I can invent against them.

Funny you say that. I heard a guy just the other day tell another guy
that OKC is a hick, backwoods, Lizard-lick...
Obviously that person has never been to northern New York or Vermont.

I never knew where street prostitution exists in Oklahoma county until the public moralists began advertising it in opposition to it.

Opposition = advertising = promotion of the activity which is opposed. That is an interesting concept.

Even more interesting is that I neither patronize those prostitutes, make my living promoting them or pimp my daughter in the neighborhoods promoted by those who do.

However, I am very much guilty of having the opinion that opposing the billboards doesn't change anybody's behavior or really care much that the ads exist here or any other place.

Nor is my ego such that I consider anybody who disagrees with me guilty of any baseless accusation I can invent against them.

Yeah, its so much better to live in denial and uninformed about the world around us. Heck, since YOU didn't know 12 year olds were being sold on Robinson then by all means nobody should do anything to make it a priority within our law enforcement and DA's office.

Exactly how long is your list of things that should never be reported or exposed simply because YOU didn't know about it? Probably shouldn't report on bank robberies - might clue someone in they have money in them there banks. Don't report on rapes or murders - hell we back woods hicks might just start running rampant.

Do I think taking the billboard down will change the behavior of individuals dead set to participate in it - no. Does that in anyway mean the billboards should remain up? Absolutely not. It isn't rocket science that by turning a blind eye to such things that it begins to normalize them. I'm one that doesn't think the pornification of our youth should be normalized. You don't have to like it, I'm just comforted that you apparently have zero impact on it beyond some anonymous rants.

Thinking sugar billboards are irrelevant is exactly the same thing as abolishing all criminal law. Making them a publicized victory for public morality and what that means to people outside Oklahoma is exactly the same thing as advocating child molestation, rape, murder, and whatever else extreme things others need to invent in order to feel their point of view is the only legitimate one.

Goodness knows that nobody would know anything if there weren't people video taping it and profiting from that activity. This is not meant as a criticism. I'm a capitalist. If people pay for a service then the financial transaction legitimizes it. Everybody wins! There is a huge irony in this, however.

Since I've been cast as naïve, I wonder if prostitution has been around prior to 1970? Why else would it be called the worlds oldest profession? I don't know. I'm naive. I've always thought marketing is the oldest profession because without it, prostitutes wouldn't be able to sell.

I neither market, sell, or purchase prostitutes but thankfully if I want to, I know where to look to find the precise locations of this activity, how much they charge, and the best ways to avoid getting caught.

Of course, youtube is merely the latest way vice is marketed via expose. I recall back in the '70s first learning of Tulsa's most popular call girl service by reading an expose in the Tulsa World about it. I never used that service either but I still remember the phone number since the world included in the coverage how the service used a mnemonic device to publicize the number.

Yeah, its so much better to live in denial and uninformed about the world around us. Heck, since YOU didn't know 12 year olds were being sold on Robinson then by all means nobody should do anything to make it a priority within our law enforcement and DA's office.

Exactly how long is your list of things that should never be reported or exposed simply because YOU didn't know about it? Probably shouldn't report on bank robberies - might clue someone in they have money in them there banks. Don't report on rapes or murders - hell we back woods hicks might just start running rampant.

Do I think taking the billboard down will change the behavior of individuals dead set to participate in it - no. Does that in anyway mean the billboards should remain up? Absolutely not. It isn't rocket science that by turning a blind eye to such things that it begins to normalize them. I'm one that doesn't think the pornification of our youth should be normalized. You don't have to like it, I'm just comforted that you apparently have zero impact on it beyond some anonymous rants.
Gee, he surely wasn't talking about crimes done against the will of the people and against children. Typically, a person does not feel like a victim and calls the cops after doing business with a prostitute. Neither does the prostitute. I also think he thinks the media making big news stories about these provocative services and their ads makes it known and draws some people into it.

Let's just make every billboard in OKC a bible quote and call it good.


It is frightening how much everyone in this thread here is okay with censorship.

It is frightening how much everyone in this thread here is okay with censorship.

Yes, everyone is. Including you I'd hazard a guess. Or do you think there should be no limits at all on what is put on a billboard.

What people disagree with is the line.

Gee, he surely wasn't talking about crimes done against the will of the people and against children. Typically, a person does not feel like a victim and calls the cops after doing business with a prostitute. Neither does the prostitute. I also think he thinks the media making big news stories about these provocative services and their ads makes it known and draws some people into it.

A SIGNIFICANT percentage of prostitutes begin when they are underage. An also significant percentage of prostitutes are working involuntarily, and are basically in a form of slavery. And many of those who appear to be doing it voluntarily were victims of abuse or enslavement at an early age, and have simply accepted the lifestyle as normal, after years of abuse.

Anyone who thinks there are no victims in prostitution hasn't done their research. Look into the human trafficking and massage parlours in the US. Look at the studies the UK and Sweden have done. As for legal, and well regulated prostitution? The Netherlands has legalized and well regulated prostitution, and is a top destination for human trafficking.

A SIGNIFICANT percentage of prostitutes begin when they are underage. An also significant percentage of prostitutes are working involuntarily, and are basically in a form of slavery. And many of those who appear to be doing it voluntarily were victims of abuse or enslavement at an early age, and have simply accepted the lifestyle as normal, after years of abuse.

Anyone who thinks there are no victims in prostitution hasn't done their research. Look into the human trafficking and massage parlours in the US. Look at the studies the UK and Sweden have done. As for legal, and well regulated prostitution? The Netherlands has legalized and well regulated prostitution, and is a top destination for human trafficking.

Whether it's legal or not, the world's oldest profession goes on. Not every guy finds it real easy to get sexual intercourse for free. Getting the business off the streets and on the Internet is surely more good than bad.

Whether it's legal or not, the world's oldest profession goes on. Not every guy finds it real easy to get sexual intercourse for free. Getting the business off the streets and on the Internet is surely more good than bad.

Before I started making myself more aware of the human trafficking and slavery aspect of prostitution, I used to agree with you. From everything I've seen though is that the internet has just helped to proliferate the bad side even more.

This is really not about sugar daddy ads anymore.

Before I started making myself more aware of the human trafficking and slavery aspect of prostitution, I used to agree with you. From everything I've seen though is that the internet has just helped to proliferate the bad side even more.

So then rather then just complaining about it, do you, or Bates, have any contstructive ideas as to how to stop or discourage human trafficking and/or prostitution? Is part of the problem is that it's not regarded as serious as some other crimes ,and so doesn't get as much investigative attention? If that is true, then maybe part of the problem explaining why that is so is because there isn't as much money and physical assets to confiscate to go to police departments, like there often is for drug operations. Or is there?

So then rather then just complaining about it, do you, or Bates, have any contstructive ideas as to how to stop or discourage human trafficking and/or prostitution? Is part of the problem is that it's not regarded as serious as some other crimes ,and so doesn't get as much investigative attention? If that is true, then maybe part of the problem explaining why that is so is because there isn't as much money and physical assets to confiscate to go to police departments, like there often is for drug operations. Or is there?

Brian I'm sure has his own thoughts. My guess is that it's a combination of multiple factors. Education (many folks may not be aware of the trafficking side), is a big factor. Many of the victims are immigrants, so there's not much public outcry there. In Sweden, Norway, and Iceland (and a handful of other countries) it is illegal to pay for sex, but not to be a prostitute (the client commits a crime, but not the prostitute). This type of law is the "Swedish Model" and is being used by countries wanting to reduce human trafficking, and avoids punishing the victims (which would make it less likely for them to seek help).

This is really not about sugar daddy ads anymore.

I don't think it ever was for some. How 18+ became underage prostitutes and sex trafficing victims seems hard to understand unless some can't see a difference which is possible.

I don't think it ever was for some. How 18+ became underage prostitutes and sex trafficing victims seems hard to understand unless some can't see a difference which is possible.

The info about trafficking and underage prostitutes was in response to Bunty's comment about prostitution being victimless.

What ads? ArrangementFinders? Not hardly. They've only appeared in a handful of cities and we've been the only city so far to be able to get rid of them so quickly. Chicago and Philly both had very public outcries against them. Even the mayor's office got involved in trying to get them down.

No city where they've appeared has the city turned a blind eye.

The only thing 'backwoods' is being okay with pimping out your daughter.

Hell, even Atlantic City wasn't OK with these billboards. When you're too trashy for the Jersey Shore, then you know you've maybe crossed a line of good taste?

In Sweden, Norway, and Iceland (and a handful of other countries) it is illegal to pay for sex, but not to be a prostitute (the client commits a crime, but not the prostitute). This type of law is the "Swedish Model" and is being used by countries wanting to reduce human trafficking, and avoids punishing the victims (which would make it less likely for them to seek help).I think that's an excellent model for our city/state/nation to follow. As an outside observer, it seems to me that Brian is attempting to do just this by publicizing the customers on his web site. It would be much better if the vice squads did it through the creiminal justice system -- and included the pimps themselves among the offenders.

Let's just make every billboard in OKC a bible quote and call it good.


It is frightening how much everyone in this thread here is okay with censorship.

I wonder if people were offended by anti-abortion billboards they would be taken down as well?

I wonder if people were offended by anti-abortion billboards they would be taken down as well?

Probably. Remember, the government didn't step in an force this billboard down. The potential customer base of the sign company and the advertiser reacted poorly to the message and content, so it was changed. If they reacted the same way to the anti-abortion billboard, I expect you'd see the same actions.

I remember a friend in advertising talking to me years ago about Carl's Jr ads, and that special ones were produced for the Oklahoma market because they had found poor response from the national produced ads. This isn't censorship, it's tailoring your message for your market.

Probably. Remember, the government didn't step in an force this billboard down. The potential customer base of the sign company and the advertiser reacted poorly to the message and content, so it was changed. If they reacted the same way to the anti-abortion billboard, I expect you'd see the same actions.

I remember a friend in advertising talking to me years ago about Carl's Jr ads, and that special ones were produced for the Oklahoma market because they had found poor response from the national produced ads. This isn't censorship, it's tailoring your message for your market.

I'm sure the advertiser would have been happy to keep it up and didn't think it was offensive before they took the money. But you're right each community decides what they like and don't like. I do wonder if the company could claim freedom of speech violation.

I do wonder if the company could claim freedom of speech violation.

No, because the government didn't pull down the sign and freedom of speech only applies to governmental limitations of power.

No, because the government didn't pull down the sign and freedom of speech only applies to governmental limitations of power.

Good point.... maybe breach of contract if they had one, and I'm pretty sure they did.

Good point.... maybe breach of contract if they had one, and I'm pretty sure they did.

Possibly. I've never bought a billboard so don't know what terms would be in a contract. I know with TV commercials I've done that not only did they have right of refusal, but they could pull or not air them (and adjust my billable amount respectively). The only ads TV station legally can't pull are federal election Campaign ads. I'd expect there's some clause that allows the company to pull or alter an billboard as they see fit.

On issues like this I ask myself, "Would I want my father paying a college girl to do that," and "Would I want my college-age daughter being paid to do that?"

That tends to clarify the issue pretty quickly.

I think that's an excellent model for our city/state/nation to follow. As an outside observer, it seems to me that Brian is attempting to do just this by publicizing the customers on his web site. It would be much better if the vice squads did it through the creiminal justice system -- and included the pimps themselves among the offenders.

The Sweden model is pretty close to what I think is the best solution for the US. Most studies seem to back that up also. I've always publicly supported the idea of decriminalizing the sex worker and focusing more harshly on the Johns and pimps/traffickers.

We just photographed the new billboards. A young lady who has appeared on several TV shows (ex: NCIS) in minor roles volunteered to model for the board. Turned out excellent. Boards should be up in a week or so.

The Sweden model is pretty close to what I think is the best solution for the US. Most studies seem to back that up also. I've always publicly supported the idea of decriminalizing the sex worker and focusing more harshly on the Johns and pimps/traffickers.

Yeah, why not simply try charming the woman and get romance for free? Maybe not all of them think looks are everything. But what about that preacher from Tulsa that got arrested at the 39th St. gay area over soliciting for sex? Can you still get arrested for trying to get sex for free, if your approach is too direct about it, or whatever?

I'd like to see a billboard up promoting legalization of marijuana in Oklahoma. It would be interesting to see how controversial it would be, or go largely ignored, knowing how intense the apathy toward the marijuana issue is in Oklahoma.

I'd like to see a billboard up promoting legalization of marijuana in Oklahoma. It would be interesting to see how controversial it would be, or go largely ignored, knowing how intense the apathy toward the marijuana issue is in Oklahoma.

There's sort of one, on Kelly Ave between 33rd and Memorial in Edmond. It's actually for a marijuana possession defense attorney. But says something along the lines of "Until it's legal..."

I think location has lots to do with the reactions as well. There's a line of good taste that shouldn't be crossed (like putting cigarette ads in Boys Life magazine), when it comes to targeted audience or location.

Yeah, why not simply try charming the woman and get romance for free? Maybe not all of them think looks are everything. But what about that preacher from Tulsa that got arrested at the 39th St. gay area over soliciting for sex? Can you still get arrested for trying to get sex for free, if your approach is too direct about it, or whatever?

I actually attended preacher Lonnie Latham's hearings. While I initially broke the news of his arrest and uncovered proof he frequented the area, I became a supporter of his innocence when the details of the arrest were revealed. Latham didn't do anything hundreds of horny guys aren't doing ever weekend in Bricktown - hitting up on individuals for a one night stand.

The case was prosecuted by Wes Lane - so no shocker he was morally outraged and misused his position to re-interpret the law. I don't think Lane really thought he'd win the case, I think he just wanted to out Latham and ruin him. Latham owed his congregation and supporters an explanation and apology, but nobody else and certainly should not have faced arrest and prosecution. The case was eventually dropped. Wish he would have sued.

You can be arrested for soliciting a sexual act that involves no payment under certain conditions......
1.) To engage in the sex act publicly.
2.) Making the solicitation to someone who files a police complaint (ex: you walk up to some person at the mall and say "hey, wanna go do it?")

Here is the wiki account of what happened. I don't think most drivers would appreciate being followed around by someone and then pull up next to you asking for sex, especially coming from a 60 year old man, though doing such a thing in the Habana Inn parking lot would make it less surprising:

On Tuesday, January 3, 2006, Latham was arrested and booked into the Oklahoma County Jail by members of the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office.[6] The misdemeanor charge was that of "Offering to Engage In An Act of Lewdness," a charge carrying penalties of up to a year in jail and a US$2,500 fine. Reports sourced to a police department spokesman said that he had propositioned a plainclothes police officer for oral sex in an area of the community which had been the subject of public complaints of cruising related to male prostitution.

Latham was arrested around 9:45 p.m. and his automobile was impounded. The arrest took place in the parking lot of The Habana Inn.[7] Reportedly, Latham followed a plainclothes police officer's car for several blocks, ultimately pulling up beside it. Latham told the officer that he enjoyed "a particular lewd act" and then solicited the police officer to perform the act at a room Latham said he had booked at the nearby Holiday Inn Express. Latham did not offer money in exchange, so he was not charged with soliciting prostitution.

Upon posting bail, Latham contested the charge to local television reporters, saying "I was set up. I was in the area pastoring to police."[8]

"I was involved in a prayer ministry in that area, and I had a dialogue with police," he said, according to the website of the Daily Oklahoman newspaper. "The officer made many suggestions."

According to police officials, Latham made no mention of prayer, told the officer his name was "Luke," and said he was from Dallas and worked frequently in Oklahoma City and Tulsa.[9]

This was not Latham's first visit to the area. Public records show that on December 2, 1998, at about 11:30 p.m., Latham was issued a traffic ticket for "failure to stop for a stop sign" at NW 39th and Frankford. This intersection is only blocks from where Latham was arrested and serves as rear access to the Habanna Inn."[10]

"rear access to the Habanna Inn" no pun intended lol

Here is the wiki account of what happened. I don't think most drivers would appreciate being followed around by someone and then pull up next to you asking for sex, especially coming from a 60 year old man, though doing such a thing in the Habana Inn parking lot would make it less surprising:

On Tuesday, January 3, 2006, Latham was arrested and booked into the Oklahoma County Jail by members of the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office.[6] The misdemeanor charge was that of "Offering to Engage In An Act of Lewdness," a charge carrying penalties of up to a year in jail and a US$2,500 fine. Reports sourced to a police department spokesman said that he had propositioned a plainclothes police officer for oral sex in an area of the community which had been the subject of public complaints of cruising related to male prostitution.

Latham was arrested around 9:45 p.m. and his automobile was impounded. The arrest took place in the parking lot of The Habana Inn.[7] Reportedly, Latham followed a plainclothes police officer's car for several blocks, ultimately pulling up beside it. Latham told the officer that he enjoyed "a particular lewd act" and then solicited the police officer to perform the act at a room Latham said he had booked at the nearby Holiday Inn Express. Latham did not offer money in exchange, so he was not charged with soliciting prostitution.

Upon posting bail, Latham contested the charge to local television reporters, saying "I was set up. I was in the area pastoring to police."[8]

"I was involved in a prayer ministry in that area, and I had a dialogue with police," he said, according to the website of the Daily Oklahoman newspaper. "The officer made many suggestions."

According to police officials, Latham made no mention of prayer, told the officer his name was "Luke," and said he was from Dallas and worked frequently in Oklahoma City and Tulsa.[9]

This was not Latham's first visit to the area. Public records show that on December 2, 1998, at about 11:30 p.m., Latham was issued a traffic ticket for "failure to stop for a stop sign" at NW 39th and Frankford. This intersection is only blocks from where Latham was arrested and serves as rear access to the Habanna Inn."[10]

You have to keep in mind, the above account is not sworn testimony - its assumptions made from public record (jail booking info) and a local TV news station (and an image of a ticket in the area I once had posted).

I was present for all oral arguments (no pun intended) and it wasn't a case of Latham simply following a random stranger and asking for sex.

The officer had seen Latham cruising the Habanna parking lot and the officer made himself known to Latham on two occasions prior to Latham assuming he was being hit on and started following the undercover officer.

The officer then engaged in friendly chit-chat with Latham and never expressed any uneasiness or displeasure to Latham's advances.

The officer tried to get Latham to agree to a dollar amount but Latham refused.

This was a setup by police and they assumed Latham would agree to either a dollar amount or to public lewdness - when he didn't they detained and arrested him anyway.

Had he been following some random stranger that had not shown interest in him, ignored any rebuffing and continued with lewd suggestions or offered to pay or engage in public lewdness I would have been blasting him on JohnTV. As the facts revealed themselves - none of those scenarios were the case.

This would be like arresting guys at City Walk if they went up to a random girl, flirted with her, she flirted back, and when he suggested they go back to his place he's then arrested.

You have to keep in mind, the above account is not sworn testimony - its assumptions made from public record (jail booking info) and a local TV news station (and an image of a ticket in the area I once had posted).

I was present for all oral arguments (no pun intended) and it wasn't a case of Latham simply following a random stranger and asking for sex.

The officer had seen Latham cruising the Habanna parking lot and the officer made himself known to Latham on two occasions prior to Latham assuming he was being hit on and started following the undercover officer.

The officer then engaged in friendly chit-chat with Latham and never expressed any uneasiness or displeasure to Latham's advances.

The officer tried to get Latham to agree to a dollar amount but Latham refused.

This was a setup by police and they assumed Latham would agree to either a dollar amount or to public lewdness - when he didn't they detained and arrested him anyway.

Had he been following some random stranger that had not shown interest in him, ignored any rebuffing and continued with lewd suggestions or offered to pay or engage in public lewdness I would have been blasting him on JohnTV. As the facts revealed themselves - none of those scenarios were the case.

This would be like arresting guys at City Walk if they went up to a random girl, flirted with her, she flirted back, and when he suggested they go back to his place he's then arrested.

Because in Oklahoma, hitting on someone of the same sex is still illegal... *sigh*

Because in Oklahoma, hitting on someone of the same sex is still illegal... *sigh*

Not true (not sure if you were being sarcastic or not). Many people still think same-sex sexual activity is illegal in Oklahoma and it hasn't been since the early 2000's. Latham was charged with a good ol' gender neutral 'offering to engage in an act of lewdness' offense.

The problem was a bigot holier-than-thou Minister of Justice DA by the name of Wes Lane who would often re-interpret the laws if it suited his agenda.

Latham was fortunate that these types of stings are routinely audio recorded and that the arresting officer(s) were honest on the stand and in their reports. Had that claimed 'the taped malfunctioned' and/or lied, he would have been convicted.

Not true (not sure if you were being sarcastic or not). Many people still think same-sex sexual activity is illegal in Oklahoma and it hasn't been since the early 2000's. Latham was charged with a good ol' gender neutral 'offering to engage in an act of lewdness' offense.

The problem was a bigot holier-than-thou Minister of Justice DA by the name of Wes Lane who would often re-interpret the laws if it suited his agenda.

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. I can even understand these type of stings at lake hefner, where there has been a history of lewd acts in public, but in a hotel parking lot, where the assumption is that two consenting adults will go get a room? What? I don't think they can claim anything other than attempting to criminalize same sex hookups, and they would never do this for heterosexual hookups.

Not true (not sure if you were being sarcastic or not). Many people still think same-sex sexual activity is illegal in Oklahoma and it hasn't been since the early 2000's.

If you mean such laws are no longer on the books, then Oklahoma state legislators must have done it as quietly and secretively as they could to get by with it.

If you mean such laws are no longer on the books, then Oklahoma state legislators must have done it as quietly and secretively as they could to get by with it.

Bunty, fergit about da legislizards and see the following instead:
Sodomy laws in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States)

If you mean such laws are no longer on the books, then Oklahoma state legislators must have done it as quietly and secretively as they could to get by with it.

I think it's more a consequence of evolving constitutional law.

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas)

It seems strange that there is an ad at the top of the page when I view this thread that shows photos of three attractive young Ukrainian women. It doesn't say what the "company" is, and i'm not going to click on it (even if it would generate revenue for the site).
Haha mine shows motorcycle helmets and other riding gear, probably because I have been buying a bunch of gear online lately. We must look at different things on the Internet!

Aw man...after reading the rest of this thread, pretty much everybody on the entire Internet beat me to it.

And mine shows an Inspire recumbent exercise bike because I have been shopping for those recently. They keep free sites free, so I'm glad the ads are there.
C. T.

I sortof wish mine was showing an exercise bike. I'd probably be a lot healthier and have a lot more money right now.

I think it's more a consequence of evolving constitutional law.

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas)

Supreme court decisions don't automatically remove state laws from the books. They're simply not enforced. Legislators can have the guts to formally repeal them, if they want. I don't blame, if its true they never repealed them. They don't want to take a chance on any loony opponents challenging them for reelection by them sending out mass mailings pointing out what they did. That was the reason why House Republican legislative leaders did not want to hold a vote on a Democrat authored bill that would have reduced the 2nd possession of marijuana from a felony to a misdemeanor.

"The problem was a bigot holier-than-thou Minister of Justice DA by the name of Wes Lane who would often re-interpret the laws if it suited his agenda."


Amen to that. He loved his corporate customers too. You could buy the justice you wanted with the right donation.

Update on the Sugar Daddy billboards.... OKC Anti-Human Trafficking Group Puts Up New Billboard - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/23117851/okc-anti-human-trafficking-group-puts-up-new-billboard)

Saw you on Channel 9 tonight. Good report!

Haha mine shows motorcycle helmets and other riding gear, probably because I have been buying a bunch of gear online lately. We must look at different things on the Internet!

I'm gonna have to plug.. I'm involved with an app called "Biker Laws" on iphone and android which shows all relevant state laws for bikers. It's worth checking out if you get a chance.

I'm gonna have to plug.. I'm involved with an app called "Biker Laws" on iphone and android which shows all relevant state laws for bikers. It's worth checking out if you get a chance.

I looked on my Android and didn't see it.

Sorry, "Bike Laws"

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.elitespark.bike_laws