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kevinpate
02-24-2014, 03:02 PM
funniest parenthetical of the month mid

Plutonic Panda
02-24-2014, 03:25 PM
The smart people in the burbs voted for and spent millions of their hard earned dollars on downtown. If we had it to do over we probably would. You said yourself, downtown is going to be fine. My suggestion in the divisive burb/downtown battle brought on by the elitist urbanista snobs is for them to stop bagging on the burbs and promoting the let-them-rot attitude that's become so prevalent with them. Its' never a good thing to bite the hand that feeds you.


Props on this to ya, mkjeeves. I've never understood the outright hatred some express for the suburbs. Hatred. I'm delighted OKC is in a position to offer both, and if someone wants to live downtown, power to 'em, they have every right to do that just as much as I do to live in the 'burbs. Yet some - and I stress some, not all of the urban crowd translate their personal preferences into the ascension of an arrogant moral high ground that insists you're some sort of drooling moron if you don't want to live in someone else's view of an urban paradise.

I have supported MAPS because I have this fleeting memory of what downtown OKC was as a kid, just before the worst of the Pei Plan was implemented (which as a kid I didn't understand, but my mom tried to explain it to me). I remember driving through the old, rundown part of downtown with those scary old, abandoned brick buildings and the faded signage on their sides, and how it would have been interesting to have lived and/or worked in them during their heyday. MAPS became a chance to undo a lot of damage that had been done to downtown, and even though I'm a life-long suburbanite, I am delighted to see downtown OKC come back. I just wish some wouldn't demonize those of us who are not stampeding to live down there...

Different strokes, folks. Different strokes.both very well said!

RickOKC
02-24-2014, 04:24 PM
OKC Rising | National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/371780/okc-rising-scott-beyer)

A friend sent me this link. I don't agree with all of it, but it's a reminder that even nationwide observers believe we're pretty fortunate to have Mick.

GaryOKC6
02-24-2014, 08:38 PM
both very well said!

If you live in the suburbs then there is more reason to support MAPS. Every great city is defined by their down town and no one ever lived in a suburb of nothing. I think those in surrounding communities should support MAPS. Just look at the demographic of the thunder fans. They come from all over and if it were not for MAPS they would not be here.

Plutonic Panda
02-24-2014, 11:12 PM
If you live in the suburbs then there is more reason to support MAPS. Every great city is defined by their down town and no one ever lived in a suburb of nothing. I think those in surrounding communities should support MAPS. Just look at the demographic of the thunder fans. They come from all over and if it were not for MAPS they would not be here.I agree with that. That is why when you have a new article about how awesome OKC is, they don't show Edmond, they show the downtown skyline. Downtown benefits the suburbs and the suburbs benefit downtown.

Bellaboo
02-25-2014, 08:06 AM
I've seen Ed's TV campaign add several times now. When he is rambling along trying to get it all in, he sounds exactly like Edgar's spew on this thread. It's almost word for word.

Is Edgar really Ed ?

PhiAlpha
02-25-2014, 08:32 AM
I've seen Ed's TV campaign add several times now. When he is rambling along trying to get it all in, he sounds exactly like Edgar's spew on this thread. It's almost word for word.

Is Edgar really Ed ?

I saw it last night as well. Kind of made my skin crawl. Unfortunately I didn't hear him mention the "junta" at any point. I was actually waiting and hoping for it throughout the ad. Maybe he'll have another one.

PhiAlpha
02-25-2014, 08:37 AM
I agree with that. That is why when you have a new article about how awesome OKC is, they don't show Edmond, they show the downtown skyline. Downtown benefits the suburbs and the suburbs benefit downtown.

They may not show Edmond, but if Ed had been mayor, some shots of those awesome bus shelters would've fit nicely in place of any images or clips of the Thunder...

betts
02-25-2014, 09:09 AM
I've seen Ed's TV campaign add several times now. When he is rambling along trying to get it all in, he sounds exactly like Edgar's spew on this thread. It's almost word for word.

Is Edgar really Ed ?

Edgar isn't Ed, I hope, as that would be even more concerning, but I do think there may be more than one person posting as Edgar. And one of those may well be Steve Hunt, who has that same patter down. Imagine him nominated for a post on the MAPS Oversight Board.

PhiAlpha
02-25-2014, 09:11 AM
Just recieved an email that announces that Brad Henry, George Nigh, and Gov. Fallin have endorsed the Cornett campaign, in addition to James Lankford and basically every living past mayor of OKC. I realize that most of our elected democrats are pretty conservative, but this still helps illustrate the non-partisanship of this election (and how completely terrible Ed Shadid is). I don't have time to post the email or a find the link, so if some one else does, feel free to add it.

warreng88
02-25-2014, 09:11 AM
Not sure how I feel about this:

Governors Mary Fallin and Brad Henry Lead 850+ Endorsements for Mayor Mick Cornett : Mick Cornett for Mayor (http://www.mickcornett2014.com/2014/02/governors-mary-fallin-and-brad-henry-lead-850-endorsements-for-mayor-mick-cornett/)

I am fine with Henry, but Mary Fallin has caught a lot of flack lately so I am not sure if that is the best endorsement.

warreng88
02-25-2014, 09:12 AM
PA, looks like we posted at the same time.

PhiAlpha
02-25-2014, 09:16 AM
PA, looks like we posted at the same time.

Great (or bored) minds think alike!

As much as Fallin annoys me at times (ex. Sooner Sub). I think it helps show the non-partisanship that our mayoral election is supposed exhibit. Never hurts to have both the governor and previous governor on opposite sides of the spectrum supporting you.

SoonerDave
02-25-2014, 09:20 AM
Not sure how I feel about this:

Governors Mary Fallin and Brad Henry Lead 850+ Endorsements for Mayor Mick Cornett : Mick Cornett for Mayor (http://www.mickcornett2014.com/2014/02/governors-mary-fallin-and-brad-henry-lead-850-endorsements-for-mayor-mick-cornett/)

I am fine with Henry, but Mary Fallin has caught a lot of flack lately so I am not sure if that is the best endorsement.

I think there are a lot of current and former leaders that see the risk Shadid brings to the table, and are doing everything they can to aide in Cornett's re-election bid.

I am hoping it is nothing more than an "insurance policy" if you will, and not a reaction to any internal polling that suggests the race is closer than it should be. I would think that such a vast, cross-party endorsement would be hard to orchestrate last-minute, so that would suggest to me the former rather than the latter.

warreng88
02-25-2014, 09:29 AM
Great (or bored) minds think alike!

As much as Fallin annoys me at times (ex. Sooner Sub). I think it helps show the non-partisanship that our mayoral election is supposed exhibit. Never hurts to have both the governor and previous governor on opposite sides of the spectrum supporting you.

Completely agree. I am not saying MF annoys me, but she annoys a lot of people and if there are some who are on the fence about who they are going to vote for and they already don't like MF, it might push them the other way. Although, I think if people are going to vote, they have already made up their mind long before this came out. It might sway a few, but probably not too many.

SoonerDave
02-25-2014, 09:32 AM
FWIW, KWTV is promoting the release of mayoral polling data on their 10pm newscast tonight (25 Feb).

warreng88
02-25-2014, 09:36 AM
FWIW, KWTV is promoting the release of mayoral polling data on their 10pm newscast tonight (25 Feb).

It will be interesting to see what they come up with. I would guess Mick 60%, ES 35%, Other 5% +/- 2%

SoonerDave
02-25-2014, 09:40 AM
It will be interesting to see what they come up with. I would guess Mick 60%, ES 35%, Other 5% +/- 2%

Wow - I would be stunned (and more than a little edgy) if it were even that close. I'm hoping Mick has a number well into the mid/upper 60's, but we'll see. And, of course, the poll numbers don't mean a thing in the light of day if turnout is skewed sideways for some reason.

mkjeeves
02-25-2014, 09:45 AM
Speaking of that special Oklahoma corporation buying Mick ads, all my OKCtalk banners are now OKCUnited/Catalyst ads. Anyone else getting that? I don't recall having done any searches that would have earned me that cookie. I'm guessing it's the bots reading the page. Hello, Larry, is that you?

6815 6816

warreng88
02-25-2014, 09:48 AM
Wow - I would be stunned (and more than a little edgy) if it were even that close. I'm hoping Mick has a number well into the mid/upper 60's, but we'll see. And, of course, the poll numbers don't mean a thing in the light of day if turnout is skewed sideways for some reason.

I think he will poll a lot better than the actual results will be. I think the polling on MAPS3 was a lot higher than the 53-54% it won with.

mkjeeves
02-25-2014, 09:54 AM
It will be interesting to see what they come up with. I would guess Mick 60%, ES 35%, Other 5% +/- 2%

I expect some numbers like that but nothing would surprise me either direction.

Mr. Cotter
02-25-2014, 10:54 AM
Speaking of that special Oklahoma corporation buying Mick ads, all my OKCtalk banners are now OKCUnited/Catalyst ads. Anyone else getting that? I don't recall having done any searches that would have earned me that cookie. I'm guessing it's the bots reading the page. Hello, Larry, is that you?

6815 6816

It's a geotargeted Google ad. Just having an OKC IP address will get you those - no bot reading required.

mkjeeves
02-25-2014, 10:59 AM
It's a geotargeted Google ad. Just having an OKC IP address will get you those - no bot reading required.

Gotcha. That makes sense for this particular advertisement. I've noticed some banner ads on this site seem to be related to the content at times but that may never be the case.

Thank dog for the wonders of advertising and corporate personhood.

kevinpate
02-25-2014, 11:10 AM
being okc targeted would explain why I haven't seen it. Many of my ads tend to reflect whatever my lovely has been shopping or wish listing.

mkjeeves
02-25-2014, 11:19 AM
They link back to this site, a big fluffy towel for your brain.

Support OKC | OKC United (http://okcunited.org/support-okc/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=BigThings)

betts
02-25-2014, 12:05 PM
All I have is Tapatalk. Are they smart enough to know I don't need an ad? ;)

mkjeeves
02-25-2014, 12:06 PM
5 Ways MAPS 4 Neighborhoods Could Transform Oklahoma City

5 Ways MAPS 4 Neighborhoods Could Transform Oklahoma City - Ed Shadid (http://www.edshadid.com/maps_4-neighborhoods_oklahoma_city)


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2849/12773457374_98dc166b0a_z.jpg

mkjeeves
02-25-2014, 12:10 PM
All I have is Tapatalk. Are they smart enough to know I don't need an ad? ;)

Are you saying there are no ads on Tapatalk or none of the ad's in question? My guess is it has a different ad structure than the full site. (I haven't tried Tapatalk yet.)

Midtowner
02-25-2014, 12:24 PM
5 Ways MAPS 4 Neighborhoods Could Transform Oklahoma City

5 Ways MAPS 4 Neighborhoods Could Transform Oklahoma City - Ed Shadid (http://www.edshadid.com/maps_4-neighborhoods_oklahoma_city)


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2849/12773457374_98dc166b0a_z.jpg

All of his points have already been addressed and some of the things he's saying were huge victories, e.g., The Plaza district happened with Cornett as mayor.

--and considering Shadid will not have the support of the Council, how does he intend to change anything?

DoctorTaco
02-25-2014, 12:29 PM
5 Ways MAPS 4 Neighborhoods Could Transform Oklahoma City

5 Ways MAPS 4 Neighborhoods Could Transform Oklahoma City - Ed Shadid (http://www.edshadid.com/maps_4-neighborhoods_oklahoma_city)


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2849/12773457374_98dc166b0a_z.jpg

From the link, "I support the creation of a comprehensive plan. We have not had a new one in 30 years. This will give us an idea of what different types of growth patterns will cost in terms of long-term maintenance and delivery of services. We need to develop a fiscally-conservative approach to growth which allows us to protect what we have already built."

See this is what kills me about the guy. "We need a new comprehensive plan". Nevermind that PlanOKC has been in the works for years and is set to complete this year. He doesn't even mention it. Is PlanOKC not good enough? OK, tell us why it is not good enough. Don't just talk about the need for a comprehensive plan like it is your idea, when in fact a new comprehensive plan has been under construction since before Shadid even joined the council.

Aargh.

Edgar
02-25-2014, 12:34 PM
Shadid makes a good point about the downtown park. Outside Bricktown most of downtown is the zombie apocalypse and you're going to build a huge park for a couple 1000 residents. Peopel enjoy the park near home. Mom enjoys Stars and Stripes every day weather permitting, doubt she'll ever drive Carlos the chiweenie downtown. Given climate realities seems like another pei plan. Isn't getting any wetter and Canton never filled back up.

jerrywall
02-25-2014, 12:36 PM
It's actually nice that for a change he's promoting something specific he's for, instead of bland generalities, glad handing, and attacks. Of course, considering that he'd have the same vote as mayor that he did as councilman, why didn't he propose/push this during his time as councilman?

Edgar
02-25-2014, 12:43 PM
From the link, "I support the creation of a comprehensive plan. We have not had a new one in 30 years. This will give us an idea of what different types of growth patterns will cost in terms of long-term maintenance and delivery of services. We need to develop a fiscally-conservative approach to growth which allows us to protect what we have already built."

See this is what kills me about the guy. "We need a new comprehensive plan". Nevermind that PlanOKC has been in the works for years and is set to complete this year. He doesn't even mention it. Is PlanOKC not good enough? OK, tell us why it is not good enough. Don't just talk about the need for a comprehensive plan like it is your idea, when in fact a new comprehensive plan has been under construction since before Shadid even joined the council.

Aargh.The planning people haven't been invited to the meetings- why they all left. Couldn't get a straight answer out of Couch yesterday on Steve's chat as to the reason for the exodus, but I suspect expert professions expected to be invited to the meetings where the actual planning happened.
Odd twist isn't it- the ultra conservative candidate has helped put OKC on a path of financial ruin, while the progressive is counciling caution, take a deep breath and let's really think this through in a public transparent manner.

mkjeeves
02-25-2014, 12:46 PM
It's actually nice that for a change he's promoting something specific he's for, instead of bland generalities, glad handing, and attacks. Of course, considering that he'd have the same vote as mayor that he did as councilman, why didn't he propose/push this during his time as councilman?

He's been saying and posting stuff like this all along, but you can't tell it by this board, the deaf ears, restatements and denials by his haters.

jerrywall
02-25-2014, 12:47 PM
Tin foil hats again! "financial ruin".... what planet are you living on?

jerrywall
02-25-2014, 12:51 PM
He's been saying and posting stuff like this all along, but you can't tell it by this board, the deaf ears, restatements and denials by his haters.

Not really...

His blog and facebook focuses on stuff like this... (these are actual titles of the majority of his recent posts.)



TV Commercial: I Cannot Be Bought

Cornett Refuses To Debate

Shadid, Hughes, Nelson Face-off Monday; Cornett Won't Debate

Lack of Diversity in Mick Cornett's 1,117 Appointments

Black History Month Celebration

Glad handing, attacks, generalities. This on the other-hand is a mostly positive, plan-focused post. It's still full of untruths and spin, but it's something at least.

PhiAlpha
02-25-2014, 01:00 PM
Shadid makes a good point about the downtown park. Outside Bricktown most of downtown is the zombie apocalypse and you're going to build a huge park for a couple 1000 residents. Peopel enjoy the park near home. Mom enjoys Stars and Stripes every day weather permitting, doubt she'll ever drive Carlos the chiweenie downtown. Given climate realities seems like another pei plan. Isn't getting any wetter and Canton never filled back up.

I guess we shouldn't have paid for the canal, ball park, arena, river improvements, or the myriad gardens for the 200 residents downtown at the time they were built either. Bricktown wasn't far from apocolyptic back then.

betts
02-25-2014, 01:11 PM
The planning people haven't been invited to the meetings- why they all left. Couldn't get a straight answer out of Couch yesterday on Steve's chat as to the reason for the exodus, but I suspect expert professions expected to be invited to the meetings where the actual planning happened.
Odd twist isn't it- the ultra conservative candidate has helped put OKC on a path of financial ruin, while the progressive is counciling caution, take a deep breath and let's really think this through in a public transparent manner.

Oh really? You have the reason the planning people "all left" on good authority? And OKC is on the path to financial ruin? That's news to me. Especially since every project planned has to be paid for in advance. Until you collect the money, you can't start the project. Also, at least according to cafeboeuf, OKC's plan was updated in 2000. And as Dr. Taco stated, is he ignoring PlanOKC?

Also, how do you get a MAPS 4 passed when you create paranoia in your voters, when you sabotage MAPS 3, when you try to divide the "downtown" from the "neighborhoods"? Has he told all his tea-party friends he's planning more taxes?

SoonerDave
02-25-2014, 01:17 PM
Oh really? You have the reason the planning people "all left" on good authority? And OKC is on the path to financial ruin? That's news to me. Especially since every project planned has to be paid for in advance. Until you collect the money, you can't start the project.

This is the ONE fact throughout ALL this discussion that I think Ed hopes we ignore. There IS no plan on the table for funding anything other than the current iteration of the convention center. Lots of talk. Lots of hype. Lots of he-said/she-said. But there's nothing on the table at all right now - but a lot is being discussed.

Isn't discussion precisely what good, representative, democratic government is all about? I'm as much if not more conservative than most here, and even *I* (conservative propeller-head tin-hats firmly affixed :) ) can't see where the "AIIIEEEEEE - FINANCIAL RUIN" chicken little business is coming from. Yes, if we fund other phases of the CC, they'll have to be funded somehow - but if something more legally binding or concrete than that notion is out there right now that I don't know about, I sure wish someone would share it. Is some legal beagle holding a collective gun to OKC's heads and demanding we commit to a funding process right now that obliges us to Certain Financial Doom (insert dramatic music stab here)??

OSUFan
02-25-2014, 01:19 PM
He's been saying and posting stuff like this all along, but you can't tell it by this board, the deaf ears, restatements and denials by his haters.

I actually think you are a great example why people shouldn't vote for him. You've spent months and 120 thread pages defending almost every action Shadid has taken and being critical of almost everything to do with Cornett. Yet you still say you aren't for Shadid. To me that says a ton. Even people who agree with him on almost everything are having a hard time actually wanting to vote for him.

LakeEffect
02-25-2014, 01:21 PM
From the link, "I support the creation of a comprehensive plan. We have not had a new one in 30 years. This will give us an idea of what different types of growth patterns will cost in terms of long-term maintenance and delivery of services. We need to develop a fiscally-conservative approach to growth which allows us to protect what we have already built."

See this is what kills me about the guy. "We need a new comprehensive plan". Nevermind that PlanOKC has been in the works for years and is set to complete this year. He doesn't even mention it. Is PlanOKC not good enough? OK, tell us why it is not good enough. Don't just talk about the need for a comprehensive plan like it is your idea, when in fact a new comprehensive plan has been under construction since before Shadid even joined the council.

Aargh.

Shadid is one of the four Council members on the Citizen Advisory Team (CAT) for planokc. It's incredibly disingenuous that he's calling this out.

http://www.planokc.org/?p=cat

Edgar
02-25-2014, 01:28 PM
This is the ONE fact throughout ALL this discussion that I think Ed hopes we ignore. There IS no plan on the table for funding anything other than the current iteration of the convention center. Lots of talk. Lots of hype. Lots of he-said/she-said. But there's nothing on the table at all right now - but a lot is being discussed.

Isn't discussion precisely what good, representative, democratic government is all about? I'm as much if not more conservative than most here, and even *I* (conservative propeller-head tin-hats firmly affixed :) ) can't see where the "AIIIEEEEEE - FINANCIAL RUIN" chicken little business is coming from. Yes, if we fund other phases of the CC, they'll have to be funded somehow - but if something more legally binding or concrete than that notion is out there right now that I don't know about, I sure wish someone would share it. Is some legal beagle holding a collective gun to OKC's heads and demanding we commit to a funding process right now that obliges us to Certain Financial Doom (insert dramatic music stab here)??

Pick whatever region of the country you prefer and there's a good example of what building a new cc in an apparently dying industry did to the towns finances, sometimes causing bankruptcy filing. New cc with a hoped for hotel, huge park, free trolley all with no funding plan other than big league momentum seems to be disaster looming.

catch22
02-25-2014, 01:32 PM
I know I said I was going to refrain from posting in this thread...but...

The guy who said "Let's complete MAPS3 as the voters were promised it would be" to get elected, began to work to dismantle it after being elected.

The guy who says we need to "create a comprehensive plan" serves as a member of the body that is doing exactly that, but doesn't even acknowledge it.

Is now saying we need to trust him to create his own MAPS plan? If he is successful in ruining the voters trust on MAPS3, he won't have a MAPS4. That's a certainty. He is very delusional if he thinks this strategy of butcher MAPS3, to get MAPS4 going will work. I don't even think it's a strategy, it's an "Oh Sh!#, the election is a week from now and I don't even know what I'm going to do as Mayor" desperation attempt.

warreng88
02-25-2014, 01:36 PM
Pick whatever region of the country you prefer and there's a good example of what building a new cc in an apparently dying industry did to the towns finances, sometimes causing bankruptcy filing. New cc with a hoped for hotel, huge park, free trolley all with no funding plan other than big league momentum seems to be disaster looming.

And when those cities built their convention centers, was it debt free? I'll wait for your answer.

Dennis Heaton
02-25-2014, 01:43 PM
Mr. Mayor...Puh-leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze, enough already with all the junk mail! Give the Postal Carriers a break! You've got the election in the bag. You're gonna to be re-elected. Please, give it a rest and just get us a Metro Bus out here in 73162.

SoonerDave
02-25-2014, 01:46 PM
Pick whatever region of the country you prefer and there's a good example of what building a new cc in an apparently dying industry did to the towns finances, sometimes causing bankruptcy filing. New cc with a hoped for hotel, huge park, free trolley all with no funding plan other than big league momentum seems to be disaster looming.

And how many of those cities undertook their projects in a collect-the-taxes-first format even remotely resembling MAPS????? Do you even listen to your own rhetoric? We've decided to build NOTHING else as of yet. So HOW could there be a decision on how to fund it???

betts
02-25-2014, 01:48 PM
Pick whatever region of the country you prefer and there's a good example of what building a new cc in an apparently dying industry did to the towns finances, sometimes causing bankruptcy filing. New cc with a hoped for hotel, huge park, free trolley all with no funding plan other than big league momentum seems to be disaster looming.

Data, Edgar. Give us the links. I want to see evidence that towns that built a new convention center that was pre-paid either went bankrupt or are close to it. Of course in Detroit, hiring all those extra policemen and firemen with their pensions didn't help at all. They have almost double the number of police per capita we do. It certainly didn't help decrease crime, but it did increase their indebtedness. Which of the ones below were done in by their new convention center?

General-Purpose Local Government Bankruptcy Filings (8):
-- City of Detroit
-- City of San Bernardino, Calif.
-- Town of Mammoth Lakes, Calf. (Dismissed)
-- City of Stockton, Calif.
-- Jefferson County, Ala.
-- City of Harrisburg, Pa. (Dismissed)
-- City of Central Falls, R.I.
-- Boise County, Idaho (Dismissed)

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/municipal-cities-counties-bankruptcies-and-defaults.html

kevinpate
02-25-2014, 01:52 PM
Pick whatever region of the country you prefer and there's a good example of what building a new cc in an apparently dying industry did to the towns finances, sometimes causing bankruptcy filing. New cc with a hoped for hotel, huge park, free trolley all with no funding plan other than big league momentum seems to be disaster looming.

Question Edgar ... Back when the citizens of OKC were mulling over whether to support Maps 3, were you at all aware of Maps 3 and the projects the city was pitching to include in the resolution? If so, were you on street corners, online, in cafes, anywhere at all, talking about how it seemed like a plan for total destruction of the city finances?
Or like your candidate, did you only set aside your addiction to whatever de jour and suddenly realize people actually vote for stuff that is important to them and clue in on it before the votes are tabulated, rather than whine and seek to destroy afterwards.

As I recall neither you nor I have much skin in the game, being non-residents of okc, though if you are anything like me, you have an interest because you choose to spend some time and a dime or three there now and again.

I actually grant more credibility to the not this maps folks who had the interest to learn why they did not like something and pushed an agenda they cared about. I've yet to see an agenda your candidate cares about, though I see lots of things he claims not to care about. Some say you are your candidate in disguise. I don't buy that myself, but you do have one thing in common with him ... you often leave me wonder what you might be smoking.

Midtowner
02-25-2014, 02:49 PM
Pick whatever region of the country you prefer and there's a good example of what building a new cc in an apparently dying industry did to the towns finances, sometimes causing bankruptcy filing. New cc with a hoped for hotel, huge park, free trolley all with no funding plan other than big league momentum seems to be disaster looming.

Who ever said the sole purpose of having a convention center was profit?

--and how do you go bankrupt when you don't have a debt? Do you even know what bankruptcy is?

warreng88
02-25-2014, 02:51 PM
Who ever said the sole purpose of having a convention center was profit?

--and how do you go bankrupt when you don't have a debt? Do you even know what bankruptcy is?

I don't think he knows what debt is. I don't think he knows what profit is...

CaptDave
02-25-2014, 03:15 PM
Don't DC my OKC

(I should trademark that.)

I see no reason to change course for empty, fallacious campaign rhetoric trying to pit us against one another. Look what that has resulted in at the national level. At least locally we have leaders (most of them anyway) who can work together regardless of political affiliation with a long track record of outstanding results.

It's not about "us vs them", "downtown vs suburbs", etc.

Mayor Cornett has proven he can move all of OKC in a positive direction.

Vote March 4th.

The choice is clear for me.

jerrywall
02-25-2014, 03:27 PM
Seriously! Mick has the endorsements of Governor Mary Fallin, Governor Brad Henry, Governor George Nigh, U.S. Congressman James Lankford, as well as former mayors Ron Norick, Kirk Humphreys, Andy Coats, and Jim Norick. However you feel politically about each person, how amazing and uniting a figure must Mick draw? And do we want to trade that for a divisive, political, caricature?

Edgar
02-25-2014, 03:29 PM
Who ever said the sole purpose of having a convention center was profit?

--and how do you go bankrupt when you don't have a debt? Do you even know what bankruptcy is?

Then it should have promoted as a quality of life project rather than the big windies about tripling bidness. The bottom line is a new cc will produce millions in annual operating losses for a project that will enrich downtown chamber interests while the losses will be paid by my 81yo mother. Shadid isn't opposed to a new cc, just thinks it should be done right with proper planning and public input and make it the best possible facility for OKC's needs.

David
02-25-2014, 03:33 PM
None of those words make sense in the way that you are using them, Ed.

Edgar
02-25-2014, 03:37 PM
Seriously! Mick has the endorsements of Governor Mary Fallin, Governor Brad Henry, Governor George Nigh, U.S. Congressman James Lankford, as well as former mayors Ron Norick, Kirk Humphreys, Andy Coats, and Jim Norick. However you feel politically about each person, how amazing and uniting a figure must Mick draw? And do we want to trade that for a divisive, political, caricature?

Not too shocking former mayors who well profited from their time in office would come out for the downtown chamber guy. Fallin is a chamber lapdog sans an original thought, Lankford ran a church camp and is fighting the federal demons in Washington so little surprise there. Henry duped into signing the Lindsay Nichole Henry voucher scam so you have to question his wisdom. sorry, not seeing much diversity of support here. Shadid's on the other hand, quite a motley band of whatchmacallits.

warreng88
02-25-2014, 03:40 PM
Edgar, what do you think the Chamber does?

CaptDave
02-25-2014, 03:42 PM
Edgar is just trying to bury posts again....

Don't DC my OKC

Vote for Mick

jerrywall
02-25-2014, 03:58 PM
If the news tomorrow ran that Mick walked across lake hefner, Ed would be on here claiming that he sold the water to corporate interests.

There once was a candidate Ed
His sheeple, quite simple, were led
But the city will pay
If ole Ed gets his way
Our growth it could soon be quite dead.

betts
02-25-2014, 04:02 PM
Edgar is sounding a bit Steve Huntish today. I guess that's the personality "out" today, eh Sybil, er Edgar?
I pick Mick too.

betts
02-25-2014, 04:03 PM
If the news tomorrow ran that Mick walked across lake hefner, Ed would be on here claiming that he sold the water to corporate interests.

There once was a candidate Ed
His sheeple, quite simple, were led
But the city will pay
If ole Ed gets his way
Our growth it could soon be quite dead.

Awesome! Can I use this on Facebook, twitter?