A councilman's voting record is his record. Mayor Cornett deserves another term as Mayor of the City of Oklahoma City.

--and as many as he wants in the future. He has the perfect skill set to be mayor in this system.

You mean the Oklahoman is doing another hit piece on Shadid? Naw...

Not really sure how the "watch dog" section of the Oklahoman doing a piece on the mayoral candidates voting records is a hit piece. The fact that Shadid has never voted in a meaningful city election is important especially when he has been trying to overturn a vote supported by the majority in OKC...that he didn't participate in.

You mean the Oklahoman is doing another hit piece on Shadid? Naw...

Please read the article and quote what part you think applies as a "hit piece".

"No Facts MKJEEVES." He won't address facts.

Question: why is it out if bounds for the Oklahoman to report that a mayoral candidate didn't even bother to vote in an election he is now trying to undo through initiative petition and other, less savory, means?
Haha. Troll post. If the Oklahoman is wrong to report this, please explain why. Do you think civic participation (or lack thereof) is not relevant information for voters to consider?

I think voting is one of the greatest privileges Americans have, and it's important to me." -Mayor Cornett

My only question is, how do they know? Does the city keep track of who voted? Or did Shadid just tell everyone that he didn't vote?

^ Election Board records.

I think voting is one of the greatest privileges Americans have, and it's important to me." -Mayor Cornett

Cast votes, not aspersions.
Re-elect Mick!

Anyone want to make that into bumper stickers, have at it. No charge.

My only question is, how do they know? Does the city keep track of who voted? Or did Shadid just tell everyone that he didn't vote?

Remember that sheet you sign when you vote?

They keep those.

Just curious, how long do they keep voting records?

Just curious, how long do they keep voting records?

I'm not aware of an expiration date. You should go down to the basement of the courthouse and look at some of those ancient court filings and deeds.

Wow, I've seen aircraft maintenance records retention policies with less stringent requirements!

Nah, it isn't really about folks wanting to see the city burn. It may merely be about burying the info that came about about the challenger. Focus a mayoral race thread on a basketball team on a forum full of thunder fans and you can fill a page or three fairly quickly.

Much faster than if one discussed where the two candidates stand on real issues that the city and the next mayor will need to address.

Then again, a lil basketball banter never hurt much of nobody no how.

Pretty sure the burying of info is what has El Shadid tilting at windmills.
Good ? Kevin, when are the debates? we don't want low info voters right?

Pretty sure the burying of info is what has El Shadid tilting at windmills.
Good ? Kevin, when are the debates? we don't want low info voters right?

Edgar,

How do you reconcile Ed's lack of civic participation with his desire to undo what has passed a vote of city residents?

Pretty sure the burying of info is what has El Shadid tilting at windmills.
Good ? Kevin, when are the debates? we don't want low info voters right?

Do we even have debates for municipal officials?

Do we even have debates for municipal officials?

I am pretty sure Tulsa had a few debates for the Mayoral office.

Pretty sure the burying of info is what has El Shadid tilting at windmills.
Good ? Kevin, when are the debates? we don't want low info voters right?

El Shadid? Is that his drug mule name?

They also have a strong mayor form of government. Completely different.

Help me understand the difference.

OKC has weak-mayor. The mayor is merely a spokesperson, and 1 of 9 votes on council. He is more of a city-wide councilman.

Strong mayor means the mayor has ultimate authority on the approval/disapproval.

Remember that sheet you sign when you vote?

They keep those.

Did not realize that.

Tulsa's Mayor is responsible for much, much more. Creating a budget, hiring and firing, negotiations, etc. A strong mayor has almost total administrative authority. Our mayor, in contrast, is largely ceremonial. Presides over meetings, sets agendas, does ceremonial duties like sign some documents (mostly resolutions), and some small admin work, usually related to boards and commissions. In that context, usually he nominates members to boards that are confirmed or denied by the council (no absolute authority as Ed wants some to believe).

The difference is night and day. Debates for a weak mayor would be pretty funny. "How would you handle agendas if you were mayor?"

Got it. Thanks for the clarification. Why does our mayor have different mayoral duties than Tulsa? I guess they are not the same across the board like I thought...

Edgar, given your preferred challenger' lack of municipal voting record, his beyond merely unimpressive explanation for same, his background, and how he has approached it, his attacks on MAPs after previously pitching it needs to go forward, not having any debates would have to be seen as an act of kindness to your choice more than anything else.

Like you though, I am not an OKC voter. Should the challenger or anyone want to kick his positions, odd representations and suitablility for office across a stage and back again, that's not a call for me to make. His handlers though should probably keep him as far from that idea as they can. I can not imagine it ending well for him.

Usually a choice of the people during a vote as the city was growing. Obviously then, it varies in reasons why. I prefer a weak mayor, myself.

There are several different forms of municipal government. Aldermanic, Strong-Mayor-Council, Council-Manager, etc. Each one is bound by both different state statutes (Title 11 in Oklahoma) and local charter.

I'm 34 and I am a college graduate. I should probably know this stuff but I don't deal with it on a day to day basis like a lot of people. Thanks for the insite.

Pretty sure the burying of info is what has El Shadid tilting at windmills.
Good ? Kevin, when are the debates? we don't want low info voters right?

What good is a debate, when you can't trust El Shadid to keep his word?

Show me what you'll do, candidate, don't tell me. Ed has shown me quite enough, thank you, and then some. Every single thing that has happened since his election strengthens my decision to vote for Mick.

I think it is telling that a lot of strong Democrats are planning to vote for Republican Mick.

Not that parties have as much to do with municipal elections as they do at higher levels, but it indicates a real problem with Shadid here.

Going to post this every page until he answers:

Edgar,

How do you reconcile Ed's lack of civic participation with his desire to undo what has passed a vote of city residents?

For clarification, the type of 'voting record' matters. Absentee voting forms, proof of identity, conflict of issue logs... all those usually have less than permanent periods.

Absentee voting records is an issue I have discovered - I voted in a couple elections while deployed and when I had an opportunity to look at my voting record, those votes were missing. Every other election I have voted in was listed but none of my absentee ballots. It verifies that absentee votes are likely not counted unless the election is close enough to be changed by those ballots.

Tulsa's Mayor is responsible for much, much more. Creating a budget, hiring and firing, negotiations, etc. A strong mayor has almost total administrative authority. Our mayor, in contrast, is largely ceremonial. Presides over meetings, sets agendas, does ceremonial duties like sign some documents (mostly resolutions), and some small admin work, usually related to boards and commissions. In that context, usually he nominates members to boards that are confirmed or denied by the council (no absolute authority as Ed wants some to believe).

There has been several comment Ed has made that make me wonder if he knew the type of mayor system we have in place or if he was going to push to switch formats, since that is the only way he could back up some of his promises.

Going to post this every page until he answers:

Edgar,

How do you reconcile Ed's lack of civic participation with his desire to undo what has passed a vote of city residents?

Cynicism about city politics, and like most everyone who voted on MAPSIII he was uninformed on the cc proposal and what a finanacial mistake it'll be for his hometown, leaving less to adress neglected core functons, police, fire, transport etc.

Cynicism about city politics, and like most everyone who voted on MAPSIII he was uninformed on the cc proposal and what a finanacial mistake it'll be for his hometown, leaving less to adress neglected core functons, police, fire, transport etc.

So because he's a cynic he gets a free pass? And because he chose to be uninformed about Maps 3, he also gets a free pass?

This Wednesday, noon, Ed is the featured guest at OCPAC.

This Wednesday, noon, Ed is the featured guest at OCPAC.

That will be interesting.

Knowing Ed, he will tell them he wants to stop the MAPS tax collection and hire more police and firemen. He'll leave out the end poverty, fix the educational system, build a bus system that will transport the poor and carless to the tune of tens of millions of dollars of O&M part. Will they be fooled? Have they been paying attention?

not having any debates would have to be seen as an act of kindness

LOLZ... Hilarious. If I were Mayor Cornett, I would tell him to go over to corner and sit there and rot.

I've been to lots of OCPAC meetings. If he knows his crowd, he wont mention transit or government fixing poverty. It will all be about high taxes and corruption. And a heap of tin foil hat stuff.

I guess that means his campaign won't get involved with trying to buss folks in to attend this meeting?

Wonder how well received it would be if some of his most diehard transit fans showed up waving signs that say

Whadda We Want?
More Busses!
When do we want 'em?
Now!

The fact that he's trying to suck up to OCPAC is further evidence that he is willing to deceive for votes. He'll leave out 75% of his stated campaign goals and hope they haven't been paying attention. Slimy at best, dishonest in actuality. Leopards don't change their spots.

Cynicism about city politics, and like most everyone who voted on MAPSIII he was uninformed on the cc proposal and what a finanacial mistake it'll be for his hometown, leaving less to adress neglected core functons, police, fire, transport etc.

Poor baby. Voting is really tough when you're smarter than everyone else. Oh wait.

Cynicism about city politics, and like most everyone who voted on MAPSIII he was uninformed on the cc proposal and what a finanacial mistake it'll be for his hometown, leaving less to adress neglected core functons, police, fire, transport etc.

Uh huh. Nice try.

I wasn't even an OKC resident and I knew that the CC might need a phase II and a hotel was a possibility. What does it say that a non-resident paid more attention than a man trying to be mayor?

Completely understand. I sure didn't know it all before I had to (All elected officials have to go to a couple days of classes on Oklahoma municipal law). Now I deal with it every day with work.

Honestly, it's not something most people need to know but a few pieces would be useful. I advocate that more cities just do basic PSA style refreshers before elections. A full-page ad in all city papers for example with an OKC Government 101. The cost would be nominal compared to what we'd get out of it I think.

This is a great idea! An informed electorate is a benefit to everybody. Everybody that wants to do right, that is. Facts and increased awareness are no friends to deceptive politicians.

The fact that he's trying to suck up to OCPAC is further evidence that he is willing to deceive for votes. He'll leave out 75% of his stated campaign goals and hope they haven't been paying attention. Slimy at best, dishonest in actuality. Leopards don't change their spots.

Oh wow.. OCPAC? A member of the Green Party snuggling up to OCPAC. That seems a little desperate.

I'm guessing someone has done some polling at this point and can understand why neither side would release any information--1) it would likely show the mayor has this handily in the bag, so it would depress his voter turnout and 2) it would show Shadid that things look hopeless, so his minions would cease their efforts.

I wonder if he'll have any trouble keeping all of his stories straight? The better he is at it the more facile and experienced liar he is.

This Wednesday, noon, Ed is the featured guest at OCPAC.
Enjoy!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ocpacupdate/etpViU4wXNo

I wish I knew someone who goes to these. I'd send them his campaign launch video. If these tea partiers are too ignorant, uninformed and not paying attention, they'll get precisely what they deserve should he win.

Is he seriously speaking to them? Are they seriously supporting him?

The world has turned on its head.

Is he seriously speaking to them? Are they seriously supporting him?

The world has turned on its head.

v-N0ckzU1mI

Enjoy!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ocpacupdate/etpViU4wXNo

Thanks for posting the link. That really provided the laughs I needed to get through this slow work day. I love me some tin foil salad!

Is he seriously speaking to them? Are they seriously supporting him?

The world has turned on its head.

I think they may post videos of the meetings for a short time afterwards. And I'm dying to see how his Democrat and other more liberal supporters spin this. He truly will do or say anything to win.

I think they may post videos of the meetings for a short time afterwards. And I'm dying to see how his Democrat and other more liberal supporters spin this. He truly will do or say anything to win.

Me too. Someone else posted this upstream, but he is going to have a lot of masters to satisfy if he got elected.

The fact that he's trying to suck up to OCPAC is further evidence that he is willing to deceive for votes. He'll leave out 75% of his stated campaign goals and hope they haven't been paying attention. Slimy at best, dishonest in actuality. Leopards don't change their spots.
Wow, Jill. You are apparently 100% sure you've got your facts and characterizations right, and you are 100% sure that Shadid is either slimy or dishonest (take your pick). And you are 100% sure that events that an individual transverses in one's life does not have the capacity of prompting life-changing events.

Whoops! The last item eliminates the possibility that I experienced a life-changing event and a new start back in 1981 after my earlier divorce the latter part of that year. I made several personal resolutions in that year, after a good deal of soul searching, and the most important was to always "tell the truth."

Jill, notwithstanding your studied statistics of whether and how people can or do change, it remains a possibility that they do, even into the mid-years of their lives. I am one who did.

You get yet another award from me, the "I'm 100% Sure I'm Right Award," given very infrequently, and I give my 100% congratulations to you. When you next see me again (as we invariably do), you can call me Def Leopard.

Honestly folks I'm getting a little concerned about this election. There is an enormous sense of complacency coming out of the Cornett camp, and enormous passion coming out of the Shadid camp. I am an early-thirties, urban-minded professional living in the core of OKC and outside of this board I don't know any Cornett supporters. Of my friends 60% live outside the city proper and thus can't vote, 30% are completely ignorant/apathetic of local politics and will not be voting in this election either way, and 10% are passionate Shadid supporters.

Now I know my experience is not typical, as most OKCers live in more suburban settings. (As a digression, I am embarrassed to admit I have been south of the Oklahoma River a grand total of three times in the 18 months I've lived in this city. I mean of course I've driven to Norman/Dallas, but that isn't what I am talking about.) But still, I don't think for a minute anyone should underestimate Shadid's GOTV capabilities.

Cut it out Doug,

Shadid's past is quite clear now. His divorce seemed to be no ordinary divorce, I doubt you were doing cocaine with a male stripper, while watching pornography in front of your children (assuming you have them, if not I apologize), and beating your wife.

Even if Shadid had a crystal clear and peaceful divorce, and had a history of being a very stable and genuine person, his record on city council versus the promises he made, deems him unworthy of the position of being mayor.

His reversal of promises to voters is enough for me not to support him, his personal history doesn't mean that much to me, but it is alarming if is all true. I can't peak for betts.

Cut it out Doug,

Shadid's past is quite clear now. His divorce seemed to be no ordinary divorce, I doubt you were doing cocaine with a male stripper, while watching pornography in front of your children (assuming you have them, if not I apologize), and beating your wife.

Even if Shadid had a crystal clear and peaceful divorce, and had a history of being a very stable and genuine person, his record on city council versus the promises he made, deems him unworthy of the position of being mayor.

His reversal of promises to voters is enough for me not to support him, his personal history doesn't mean that much to me, but it is alarming if is all true. I can't peak for betts.
Catch22, that is the grossest message that I've ever seen on OkcTalk. Congrats. Beware to your credibility, OkcTalk.

Catch22, that is the grossest message that I've ever seen on OkcTalk. Congrats. Beware to your credibility, OkcTalk.

Well, it's the grossest divorce court record I have ever seen. (Haven't read too many of them thought)

It's my mistake for becoming engaged here again, and I'm self-flaggelating myself for my mistake. Not to be repeated, my views will not be said again here. Your and my sensibilities just don't work out well in the same pot. So, have fun, and see you later.

Wow, Jill. You are apparently 100% sure you've got your facts and characterizations right, and you are 100% sure that Shadid is either slimy or dishonest (take your pick). And you are 100% sure that events that an individual transverses in one's life does not have the capacity of prompting life-changing events.



Honestly Doug your posts are usually too rambly and full of stream-of-consciousness digressions for me to make much sense of what you are trying to say. but here I have to agree with you. There are plenty of good reasons to not want Ed Shadid to be mayor without getting into character-assassinating over his checkered past. Like Ed I too made a serious life-change in adulthood and i would not like to be held to the standards of my younger self's dangerous and selfish behaviors. All this self-congratulatory wallowing in his divorce papers is a discredit to your cause, a cause which I otherwise agree with.

Honestly folks I'm getting a little concerned about this election. There is an enormous sense of complacency coming out of the Cornett camp, and enormous passion coming out of the Shadid camp. I am an early-thirties, urban-minded professional living in the core of OKC and outside of this board I don't know any Cornett supporters. Of my friends 60% live outside the city proper and thus can't vote, 30% are completely ignorant/apathetic of local politics and will not be voting in this election either way, and 10% are passionate Shadid supporters.

Now I know my experience is not typical, as most OKCers live in more suburban settings. (As a digression, I am embarrassed to admit I have been south of the Oklahoma River a grand total of three times in the 18 months I've lived in this city. I mean of course I've driven to Norman/Dallas, but that isn't what I am talking about.) But still, I don't think for a minute anyone should underestimate Shadid's GOTV capabilities.

I've been telling everyone: Get five of your apathetic friends to vote. Drive them to the polls. Educate them. Whatever. The underdog's supporters will always vote. If people don't vote then they have to live with the results. I have done everything I can to educate people. I will do so up until March 4. You will see me standing at some entrance ramp to the Broadway Extension with a sign March 4, encouraging people to vote. I will be putting out signs, walking door to door, driving around with some ridiculous bumper sticker on my car. And, if Mayor Cornett should lose, I'll be working my two weeks here a month to support myself and spending my two weeks off in Chicago or San Francisco with my kids. Sorry to cut and run in those circumstances, but I will no longer be on the streetcar subcommittee. Anyone on that subcommittee will likely be committed to it never reaching the council for a vote. And I'm not going to stick around to watch the carnage.

Why won't you be on the streetcar subcommittee if Ed gets elected?

Wow, Jill. You are apparently 100% sure you've got your facts and characterizations right, and you are 100% sure that Shadid is either slimy or dishonest (take your pick). And you are 100% sure that events that an individual transverses in one's life does not have the capacity of prompting life-changing events.

Whoops! The last item eliminates the possibility that I experienced a life-changing event and a new start back in 1981 after my earlier divorce the latter part of that year. I made several personal resolutions in that year, after a good deal of soul searching, and the most important was to always "tell the truth."

Jill, notwithstanding your studied statistics of whether and how people can or do change, it remains a possibility that they do, even into the mid-years of their lives. I am one who did.

You get yet another award from me, the "I'm 100% Sure I'm Right Award," given very infrequently, and I give my 100% congratulations to you. When you next see me again (as we invariably do), you can call me Def Leopard.

Please Doug understand that I am not talking about his divorce here. I made one comment about it and you're extrapolating it to everything I say. I'm talking about Ed's political message. He has lied to his constituents, presented data as facts that are not true. Now, the man who has been going on and on about the poor, minorities, the disadvantaged and how we are not doing right by them (much of which I agree with even if his methods I disagree with), is going to go sell himself as the champion of the anti-tax, anti-public assistance folks? The people who are most likely to be racist and do not want to support the disadvantaged? Tell me you're OK with that and we have nothing to say to each other. That is slimy behavior at best. I'll stop there before I tell you what I consider it at worst. I've been tired of his lies for a long time but his behavior is becoming ridiculous.