Best comment from the article upthread.


The Oklahoman did not request the records be unsealed. Their self professed 'crack' investigative reporter Nolan Clay did. The problem is that Nolan Clay's family is heaily involved in Republican politics. His wife Diane Clay is Attorney General Scott Pruitt's press relations point man.

Mayor Cornett is the Executive Vice-President of Ackerman McQueen PR firm. He joined the firm while serving as Mayor. Nolan Clay and the Daily Oklahoman has never raised any conflict of interest questions about Cornett's promoting his firm's clients while serving as mayor. The firm's major clients include the Daily Oklahoman and Oklahoma City Chamber of Commerce. Nolan Clay and the Oklahoman is apparently now handling the press relations for Mayor Cornett's re-election campaign.

OKC's part time mayor has spent two years commuting between OKC and New York City twice a month while pursing an MBA at NYU's school of Business. When asked to reveal his records of how much he was paid to represent his firm's clients include the Daily Oklahoman while simultaneously serving as mayor he refused. The voters are entitled to know if Mayor Cornett used any tax payer money to fund his twice monthly commute between OKC and NYC to attend a business school and if any taxpayer money was used to pay for his hotel bills while in NYC.

Honesty and transparency.

Best comment from the article upthread.


The Oklahoman did not request the records be unsealed. Their self professed 'crack' investigative reporter Nolan Clay did. The problem is that Nolan Clay's family is heaily involved in Republican politics. His wife Diane Clay is Attorney General Scott Pruitt's press relations point man.

Mayor Cornett is the Executive Vice-President of Ackerman McQueen PR firm. He joined the firm while serving as Mayor. Nolan Clay and the Daily Oklahoman has never raised any conflict of interest questions about Cornett's promoting his firm's clients while serving as mayor. The firm's major clients include the Daily Oklahoman and Oklahoma City Chamber of Commerce. Nolan Clay and the Oklahoman is apparently now handling the press relations for Mayor Cornett's re-election campaign.

OKC's part time mayor has spent two years commuting between OKC and New York City twice a month while pursing an MBA at NYU's school of Business. When asked to reveal his records of how much he was paid to represent his firm's clients include the Daily Oklahoman while simultaneously serving as mayor he refused. The voters are entitled to know if Mayor Cornett used any tax payer money to fund his twice monthly commute between OKC and NYC to attend a business school and if any taxpayer money was used to pay for his hotel bills while in NYC.

Honesty and transparency.

If, by tax payer money, they mean his salary, then yes, he might have used taxed payer money.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that's not what they meant.

Is there any evidence of this? Anything at all?

Is there any evidence of this? Anything at all?

Which part? We can start at the top and try to unravel it. Did Nolan Clay file or did the Oklahoman file?

Maybe you were asking about Wayne Coyne's "pot smoking mayor" comments. I'd still like an answer to that one myself.

My favorite comment in the Oklahoman reader comments is...in part..."Pleading the "Fifth" is every citizen's right. To use that as way to convict someone by innuendo is the lowliest of smears and even The Oklahoman knows it."

Clearly that poster doesn't realize that "pleading the fifth" is the response to any question or inquiry that would lead to an answer that implicates the person being questioned in a criminal act. At that point, it is beyond innuendo. Clearly, during the discovery process in the divorce, or in a hearing, Ed Shadid was asked a question or a series of questions that had he answered, could or would have implicated him in criminal activity. That is not innuendo. Yes, "pleading the fifth" is every citizen's right. No one can be compelled to incriminate themselves in criminal activity. No one is convicting Ed Shadid of anything. This isn't a trial. He cannot be convicted of anything and he won't be convicted of anything from this. It is a political campaign. But as such, I as a citizen want to know if there is any chance Ed Shadid was involved in criminal activity. True, "pleading the fifth" isn't evidence he committed a crime. However, he clearly was concerned enough about his actions and the ramifications thereof that he felt he needed to protect himself from possibly incriminating answers. That is clearly a concern to me as a citizen of this city. Ed Shadid was scared of criminal incrimination. I'm scared of what he has been up to. That isn't innuendo. I have been through lawsuits. I have been deposed and had to respond to questions in a civil discovery process. I have even testified in front of a grand jury. I have never "plead the fifth" as I never felt an answer to a question would implicate me in a crime.

Bottom line...we have a right to know what's up, and Ed Shadid is spending tons of money to keep us from knowing. That's enough for me to not want that guy leading our city.

Which part? We can start at the top and try to unravel it. Did Nolan Clay file or did the Oklahoman file?

The Oklahoman is doing this, so says this morning's editorial: "Shadid is fighting The Oklahoman's attempts to have the divorce records unsealed..."

Nolan Clay may have signed the filing/application/whatevertheysubmitted, but this is unquestionably the Oklahoman doing this.

We most certainly should know everything we are entitled to know about both candidates. There are two candidates in the race. We don't have a tabloid pushing an agenda against Mick like we do against his opponents though, and we sure don't have a local well financed journalistic organization looking over his shoulder either, so it's a bit tougher.

Which part? We can start at the top and try to unravel it. Did Nolan Clay file or did the Oklahoman file?

If Nolan Clay "filed" or "asked" as part of his duty as a reporter for the Oklahoman...then it really is irrelevant. The Oklahoman asked.

The Oklahoman is doing this, so says this morning's editorial: "Shadid is fighting The Oklahoman's attempts to have the divorce records unsealed..."

Nolan Clay may have signed the filing/application/whatevertheysubmitted, but this is unquestionably the Oklahoman doing this.

You can't have it both ways. Either you file as a legal representative of a legal entity or you file as an individual. Which way was it filed?

We most certainly should know everything we are entitled to know about both candidates. There are two candidates in the race. We don't have a tabloid pushing an agenda against Mick like we do against his opponents though, and we sure don't have a local well financed journalistic organization looking over his shoulder either, so it's a bit tougher.

I feel confident that had Mick C had his divorce records sealed, and was now spending tons of money to fight to keep them from being opened...the Oklahoman would be after him. As would several other news outlets.

You can't have it both ways. Either you file as a legal representative of a legal entity or you file as an individual. Which way was it filed?

Whoever it was...filed a request with the court for the preparation of an investigative report. If it was Nolan Clay, he was doing so in his legal capacity as a reporter. It's irrelevant.

Apples and oranges. There have been plenty of questions about Mick, as illustrated above, that haven't been investigated.

Let me get this for the Mick supporters "But it's about ED!!!!"

"But it's about ED!!!!"

You know they have pills for ED now right? :D

Apples and oranges. There have been plenty of questions about Mick, as illustrated above, that haven't been investigated.

How do you know? The Red Dirt Report would surely publish the "facts" if they were available. From what we've heard via OKC Talk and other sources, Ed's campaign has filed numerous Open Records Requests for information on Mick. However, they haven't come out with a single document showing the results of the inquiries. Do you think that's because they haven't found anything as a result of their requests?

Prediction: if what comes out is bad, it's going to really hurt the progressive movement in OKC, which would be too bad. People clinging to Shadid to be our progressive leader are setting us back.

I don't recall Cornett pleading the Fifth in open court to avoid incriminating himself, and if he had, you can bet Shadid would be talking about it and the Oklahoman would be reporting on it.

How do you know? The Red Dirt Report would surely publish the "facts" if they were available. From what we've heard via OKC Talk and other sources, Ed's campaign has filed numerous Open Records Requests for information on Mick. However, they haven't come out with a single document showing the results of the inquiries. Do you think that's because they haven't found anything as a result of their requests?

So far, the Oklahoman hasn't come up with any documents on Ed, they are still looking. Ed however, gets soundly criticized for his looking. Ed also doesn't have the same investigative resources as the Oklahoman.

The RDR...yes, they would. I think you just compared The Red Dirt Report to the Oklahoman. I'm not sure the RDR would care for that comparison and it probably isn't a good one either.

You can't have it both ways. Either you file as a legal representative of a legal entity or you file as an individual. Which way was it filed?

What difference does it make ?

What difference does it make ?

To a blind Mick supporter, not much.

To a blind Mick supporter, not much.

Classy.

Prediction: if what comes out is bad, it's going to really hurt the progressive movement in OKC, which would be too bad. People clinging to Shadid to be our progressive leader are setting us back.

What a nice side benefit

What a nice side benefit

Hey. I consider myself a progressive and the last person I want representing me politically is Shadid. He's not progressive in any way I define it. Personally, I think he's a goofball at best and a bit of a megalomaniac at worst. He acts alone and is not willing to consider anyone else's POV. He doesn't lead. He wants to be king. Which as I said much earlier, is pretty much how many surgeons think. He's been the sole ruler of his little world (operating room and office) for years. Surgeons are pretty totalitarian. I'm not sure why I'm surprised he sees the world in the same way as his operating suite. There, his is the only opinion that matters. Outside of it...pretty much the same. That makes those he sees as beneath him his lackeys, whose only value is carrying out his orders. I've spent a lot of years working with surgeons and I wish I were exaggerating. But the medical culture of a surgeon either selects people who already thought that way or it creates them. It's a stereotype and not always true, but I've dealt with enough to know this is a stereotype that has some substance.

Hey. I consider myself a progressive and the last person I want representing me politically is Shadid. He's not progressive in any way I define it. Personally, I think he's a goofball at best and a bit of a megalomaniac at worst. He acts alone and is not willing to consider anyone else's POV. He doesn't lead. He wants to be king. Which as I said much earlier, is pretty much how many surgeons think. He's been the sole ruler of his little world (operating room and office) for years. Surgeons are pretty totalitarian. I'm not sure why I'm surprised he sees the world in the same way as his operating suite. There, his is the only opinion that matters. Outside of it...pretty much the same. That makes those he sees as beneath him his lackeys, whose only value is carrying out his orders. I've spent a lot of years working with surgeons and I wish I were exaggerating. But the medical culture of a surgeon either selects people who already thought that way or it creates them. It's a stereotype and not always true, but I've dealt with enough to know this is a stereotype that has some substance.

I agree I was mostly kidding

As a Millenial Progressive, LOL Boulder.

Shadid is a problem. People are clinging to him on a hope and a whim in the absence of an actual Progressive Dem. We have a leadership deficit.

He is a Ralph Nader, Green Party tool, masquerading as a Progressive Dem. Taking advantage of a decimated Democratic Party that lost touch with modernity and eradicated from statewide relevance by polarization and extremism.

The leadership vacuum sucks. It allows a fake like him to snow a bunch of well meaning people.

Of course Mick reps OKC well, he's VP of a pr firm that counts the Oklahoman and the chamber as clients. Little wonder whose bidding the Mayor did when he jammed through the timeline vote to move the cc up 30 months before Shadid could return to town to enter into public record his findings. It polled at 20%. Why should it have been moved up delaying favored projects? And it's going to be a $ pit. Mick once said everyone in OKC has at least one car, so I don't think he really has all residents in his heart. I like what Shadid stands for. He's a breath of fresh air in Ok politics.

Again good sir, young man, young lady, whichever is appropriate ... whatever the council sought to do or did not seek to do, the actual real world results of such action are that with the exception of the cc, the only project which seems to concern you at all regarding a timetable shift, and the wellness centers, every other single aspect of MAPs 3 has well reported, and often visible, activity taking place to move those items forward, with real construction underway or almost shovel r something. Design, how to work the land deal, other? I don't know.

What I do know is by and large, even urban Okies are animal lovers. the 'hey, they changed the timeline on the cc' gambit has become a flogging of a very dead and rotting stubborn mule of a talking point. For whatever reason, the cc is not rushing forward, and indeed, it is possibly fair to note it may have lost some of its ground as certain financial realities arose. If your candidate wants to be a shining knight riding in the save a city that is not in need of saving, it's time to find a live critter to ride, and either have the grace and dignity to bury the dead mule that's been publicly flogged for so long, or sell it to a glue factory and by a new headline that has some modicum of attachment to the real world.

Nobody really cares to keep seeing what Mr. ED the talking points horse is doing to that dead mule of an argument. It's just so very sad.

Classy.

No, Class azz.

And to believe anything related to what Wayne Coyne says, you've got to be smoking the same crap.

To a blind Mick supporter, not much.

How about you tell us what difference it does make since the rest of us are so blind, eh?

Again good sir, young man, young lady, whichever is appropriate ... whatever the council sought to do or did not seek to do, the actual real world results of such action are that with the exception of the cc, the only project which seems to concern you at all regarding a timetable shift, and the wellness centers, every other single aspect of MAPs 3 has well reported, and often visible, activity taking place to move those items forward, with real construction underway or almost shovel r something. Design, how to work the land deal, other? I don't know.

What I do know is by and large, even urban Okies are animal lovers. the 'hey, they changed the timeline on the cc' gambit has become a flogging of a very dead and rotting stubborn mule of a talking point. For whatever reason, the cc is not rushing forward, and indeed, it is possibly fair to note it may have lost some of its ground as certain financial realities arose. If your candidate wants to be a shining knight riding in the save a city that is not in need of saving, it's time to find a live critter to ride, and either have the grace and dignity to bury the dead mule that's been publicly flogged for so long, or sell it to a glue factory and by a new headline that has some modicum of attachment to the real world.

Nobody really cares to keep seeing what Mr. ED the talking points horse is doing to that dead mule of an argument. It's just so very sad.

Admire your writing. I suspect you're a fan of Mark Twain and Faulkner.

I'll tell you what, I'm going to hit the reset button. An Oklahoman reader posted this in response to the story upthread and I copied it over. Hoya asked if any of it is true. You all have 20-20 vision. Any of it not true? (Yes. Some of it is factually wrong.) Blind spots will be self evident.


The Oklahoman did not request the records be unsealed. Their self professed 'crack' investigative reporter Nolan Clay did. The problem is that Nolan Clay's family is heaily involved in Republican politics. His wife Diane Clay is Attorney General Scott Pruitt's press relations point man.

Mayor Cornett is the Executive Vice-President of Ackerman McQueen PR firm. He joined the firm while serving as Mayor. Nolan Clay and the Daily Oklahoman has never raised any conflict of interest questions about Cornett's promoting his firm's clients while serving as mayor. The firm's major clients include the Daily Oklahoman and Oklahoma City Chamber of Commerce. Nolan Clay and the Oklahoman is apparently now handling the press relations for Mayor Cornett's re-election campaign.

OKC's part time mayor has spent two years commuting between OKC and New York City twice a month while pursing an MBA at NYU's school of Business. When asked to reveal his records of how much he was paid to represent his firm's clients include the Daily Oklahoman while simultaneously serving as mayor he refused. The voters are entitled to know if Mayor Cornett used any tax payer money to fund his twice monthly commute between OKC and NYC to attend a business school and if any taxpayer money was used to pay for his hotel bills while in NYC.

Nobody is stopping either you or Ed's campaign from doing the research and figuring it out. Go submit an open records request and report back, we will be waiting eagerly.

There's gonna have to be lot more substance than the weak crap on the front page to earn the title you've given it.

Don't mistake that as me being an Ed supporter.

I'm sorry. Did I miss something?

I'll tell you what, I'm going to hit the reset button. An Oklahoman reader posted this in response to the story upthread and I copied it over. Hoya asked if any of it is true. You all have 20-20 vision. Any of it not true? (Yes. Some of it is factually wrong.) Blind spots will be self evident.

So your source is the comment section in the Oklahoman? Wow. How about something more substantive than tinfoil-hat garbage? As a fellow progressive, YOU'RE MAKING US LOOK BAD. Please produce something of substance, respond to legitimate concerns about Shadid with meaningful answers, and, if you must critique Cornett, please provide a modicum of evidence to support your ridiculous, conspiracy-minded claims.

Also, if you're an angry Ed supporter dismayed that the state newspaper is looking into the public (but hidden) court records of Shadid, a relative unknown, please consider the fact that Mayor Cornett is a proven, vetted, and trustworthy leader. We kinda know what we're going to get from Mick because we've had him for a while and are quite happy with the competent and scandal-free manner in which he has performed his job.

Hearing to release the records set for December 20.

Hearing on secrecy dispute set for Dec. 20 | News OK (http://newsok.com/hearing-on-shadid-secrecy-dispute-set-for-dec.-20/article/3913575)

I'll tell you what, I'm going to hit the reset button. An Oklahoman reader posted this in response to the story upthread and I copied it over. Hoya asked if any of it is true. You all have 20-20 vision. Any of it not true? (Yes. Some of it is factually wrong.) Blind spots will be self evident.

Does it matter whether Nolan Clay, Republican lapdog, or Nolan Clay, ace reporter, submitted a records request? He does, in fact, work for the Oklahoman. Presumably everyone who works for that paper has some type of political affiliation.

Do you have any evidence that Mick has engaged in any business practices while at Ackerman McQueen that would cause a conflict with his duties to the city? Who has he represented? In what capacity has he served them? How has this caused a conflict with his duties to the city?

Do you have any evidence that Mick has used city funds to travel to New York? Or to pay hotel bills? Do you have any proof?

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The comment that was posted was trying to insinuate that Mick had a lot of shady dealings, but there's no evidence for that. It's like saying "Mick bought a new car, I bet he embezzled taxpayer dollars for that! Let's see him provide proof that he didn't!"

Mick Cornett hasn't worked for Ackerman-McQueen for the past couple of years. Travel to New York paid by the city would have to be approved by the city council, and I am not aware of any such expenditures having taken place. I am not involved in the Clay coverage and can't speak to that.

Folks, here is what is happening: you have two posters who are continuing this debate without actually debating. They aren't actually responding to anything you post, nor are they answering questions. Edgar is an unabashed Ed supporter. Mkjeeves has stated they will most likely vote for Mick, but apparently detests him and most OKC institutions (The Oklahoman especially). Now, normally the rule is "Don't Feed the Trolls." I think this is a good instance to ignore that.

Everytime those two post the same thing, over and over, while Cornett supporters continue to point out the inconsistencies and lies of the Shadid campaign, you are making it obvious to the hundreds or thousands reading what the issues are. What's more damaging, that Wayne Coyne claims something or Shadid plead the Fifth in a divorce case? Could be neither but I won't believe anything Coyne says unless I start using what he does (not bloody likely).

Edgar especially likes to talk about the cronies but mkjeeves has started with innuendo and no proof. We have had numerous people show how extremely unlikely it is that Mick is misusing tax dollars or how the Chamber is not a junta controlling the city (look, the Illuminati exists!). Every time they repeat their allegations without a shred of evidence, they damage themselves. Some will buy in because we could never be so fortunate as to only have one Edgar. Rational adults, on the other hand...

Keep up the good fight.

Mick Cornett hasn't worked for Ackerman-McQueen for the past couple of years. Travel to New York paid by the city would have to be approved by the city council, and I am not aware of any such expenditures having taken place. I am not involved in the Clay coverage and can't speak to that.

Partial bingo about working at AM, Steve. That's the part I said wasn't true. He's not currently a VP. He did take the job while being mayor. The Oklahoman and AM are bedfellows. The details of the job were kept secret. There was an outcry about conflict of interest. The Oklahoman never had a peep to say about it.

I have to go earn my keep today but I'm going to leave this with a story.

Two men are delivered to a doctor and the ambulance driver tells the doc "I think this man has a broken left leg." The doctor announces on the hospital intercom they may have a broken left leg in the building and they are in the process of x-raying it to find out.

The ambulance driver then tells the doctor "I think this other man has a broken right leg." The doctor drops the mic, turns and walks away like he didn't hear anything. The nurse steps in and tells the ambulance driver "If he thought he had a broken left leg he would x-ray it to find out."

Even the Tulsa World is chiming in on the sealED records...

Editorial: Secret justice - Editorials - TulsaWorld (http://m.tulsaworld.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-secret-justice/article_8bcb3f59-369b-5713-a7da-973e7849e5b7.html?mode=jqm)

Nm.... no reason to be a smart ass.

I have to go earn my keep today but I'm going to leave this with a story.

Two men are delivered to a doctor and the ambulance driver tells the doc "I think this man has a broken left leg." The doctor announces on the hospital intercom they may have a broken left leg in the building and they are in the process of x-raying it to find out.

The ambulance driver then tells the doctor "I think this other man has a broken right leg." The doctor drops the mic, turns and walks away like he didn't hear anything. The nurse steps in and tells the ambulance driver "If he thought he had a broken left leg he would x-ray it to find out."

Are you dig up some actual proof for the allegations you posted previously or not?

I have to go earn my keep today but I'm going to leave this with a story.

Two men are delivered to a doctor and the ambulance driver tells the doc "I think this man has a broken left leg." The doctor announces on the hospital intercom they may have a broken left leg in the building and they are in the process of x-raying it to find out.

The ambulance driver then tells the doctor "I think this other man has a broken right leg." The doctor drops the mic, turns and walks away like he didn't hear anything. The nurse steps in and tells the ambulance driver "If he thought he had a broken left leg he would x-ray it to find out."

That's not a very good story.

That's not a very good story.

Well, I removed my comments......so you know I didn't think very much about it.

Again good sir, young man, young lady, whichever is appropriate ... whatever the council sought to do or did not seek to do, the actual real world results of such action are that with the exception of the cc, the only project which seems to concern you at all regarding a timetable shift, and the wellness centers, every other single aspect of MAPs 3 has well reported, and often visible, activity taking place to move those items forward, with real construction underway or almost shovel r something. Design, how to work the land deal, other? I don't know.

What I do know is by and large, even urban Okies are animal lovers. the 'hey, they changed the timeline on the cc' gambit has become a flogging of a very dead and rotting stubborn mule of a talking point. For whatever reason, the cc is not rushing forward, and indeed, it is possibly fair to note it may have lost some of its ground as certain financial realities arose. If your candidate wants to be a shining knight riding in the save a city that is not in need of saving, it's time to find a live critter to ride, and either have the grace and dignity to bury the dead mule that's been publicly flogged for so long, or sell it to a glue factory and by a new headline that has some modicum of attachment to the real world.

Nobody really cares to keep seeing what Mr. ED the talking points horse is doing to that dead mule of an argument. It's just so very sad.

See Kevin, Shadid could have saved everyone time and aggravation. The financial realities of a new cc is just what the Doctor was rushing back from vacation to enter into public record when divine intervention grounded his plane. Glad to hear people are being roused from their pipe dreams.

Hey. I consider myself a progressive and the last person I want representing me politically is Shadid. He's not progressive in any way I define it. Personally, I think he's a goofball at best and a bit of a megalomaniac at worst. He acts alone and is not willing to consider anyone else's POV. He doesn't lead. He wants to be king. Which as I said much earlier, is pretty much how many surgeons think. He's been the sole ruler of his little world (operating room and office) for years. Surgeons are pretty totalitarian. I'm not sure why I'm surprised he sees the world in the same way as his operating suite. There, his is the only opinion that matters. Outside of it...pretty much the same. That makes those he sees as beneath him his lackeys, whose only value is carrying out his orders. I've spent a lot of years working with surgeons and I wish I were exaggerating. But the medical culture of a surgeon either selects people who already thought that way or it creates them. It's a stereotype and not always true, but I've dealt with enough to know this is a stereotype that has some substance.
Hey you just described OKC governance.
Never met Ed myself. My sister has and said he is a very nice intelligent man. Didn't mention any goofball traits. From what I've read in quotations, he is spot on.

Edgar,

I guess you were just born to be a troll...... to each his own. At least you are a good troll.

You mentionED divine intervention for Ed not to be able to make it back from his vacation......? You might have hit the nail on the head here. If he really wanted to be there, he should have schedulED his trip back a day early.

See Kevin, Shadid could have saved everyone time and aggravation. The financial realities of a new cc is just what the Doctor was rushing back from vacation to enter into public record when divine intervention grounded his plane. Glad to hear people are being roused from their pipe dreams.

Stated another way, See Edgar, the good folks of OKC and their elected representatives tend to recognize certain realities even when someone, who may possibly think his opinion is the only one that actually matters, isn't even a part of the discussion or decision making process. It's pretty much his own doing that has caused him to be so isolatED from the realities of the political process.

Edgar, answer me this: why does Ed think he knows more about streetcars because he went to a few weekend conferences about them than the people who have decades of experience dealing with streetcars? The same question applies to the convention center, park and fairgrounds.

Hey you just described OKC governance.
Never met Ed myself. My sister has and said he is a very nice intelligent man. Didn't mention any goofball traits. From what I've read in quotations, he is spot on.

You've never even met him? You had no significant credibility before, but you just dropped into the negative area of the register. And your sister says he is nice and intelligent? So am I and I'm a doctor too. That doesn't qualify me to be mayor. Plus, we've given you multiple examples of him not even being nice. While he may be intelligent, I see no evidence that he has any political common sense. While I agree that some of his ideas are reasonable, more are not. Not to mention he has yet to come up with a workable plan for any of his reasonable ideas. Grow up a bit Edgar, get some real life experience and then come back and talk to us.

I'll swear, Edgar is not old enough to vote, even though he couldn't since he lives in Norman......SMH

Edgar is an 'agginer'..... It was that way with water rights issues, Tulsa music and now the mayors race.

betts, FWIW, you wouldn't make a bad mayor. You have consistently demonstrated here and in other places you have the ability to work well with others, listen, not merely hear, and to not make a decision just because someone else thinks it's a jim dandy idea that favors their perspective even if there are some clear flaws to many others.

Frankly, you're far above many politicos I've heard, met with and/or haggled with over the years.

betts, FWIW, you wouldn't make a bad mayor. You have consistently demonstrated here and in other places you have the ability to work well with others, listen, not merely hear, and to not make a decision just because someone else thinks it's a jim dandy idea that favors their perspective even if there are some clear flaws to many others.

Frankly, you're far above many politicos I've heard, met with and/or haggled with over the years.

I would vote for betts.

I would vote for betts.

I would too.

Slogan:

Only safe betts for our city's future.

Seriously, I'm not mayor material. But I would like to think that I wouldn't promote any ideas that I didn't have a rock solid idea of how to implement. And I would hope to unite citizens, not try to divide them. If I asked the people what they wanted (in a plebiscite), I wouldn't go against what I believe is the equivalent (anthropomorphizing here) of a promise by the city to implement their demonstrated wishes. I would respect the weak power given to the mayor and use compromise and political good will to try to reach my goals. I would work for a better bus system and shelters, but as part of a larger regional transit authority also working toward improved rail transit. I wouldn't promise I can cure poverty or fix the educational system. I would do everything I could, given the limitations of city finances, to make quality of life as good as I could. Have I described Mayor Cornett? Not that far off....

i would too.

Slogan:

Only safe betts for our city's future.

cute!

I have to go earn my keep today but I'm going to leave this with a story.

Two men are delivered to a doctor and the ambulance driver tells the doc "I think this man has a broken left leg." The doctor announces on the hospital intercom they may have a broken left leg in the building and they are in the process of x-raying it to find out.

The ambulance driver then tells the doctor "I think this other man has a broken right leg." The doctor drops the mic, turns and walks away like he didn't hear anything. The nurse steps in and tells the ambulance driver "If he thought he had a broken left leg he would x-ray it to find out."

Cool story bro...

I noticed your comments on the Red Dirt Report Phi Alpha. I hope that they actually leave them up. They deleted mine.