He's stated doesn't want to divert money from any MAPSIII projects. Think he just wants to do it right and return it to a vote of the people when it's not part of a logroll. face it, MAPSII schemed behind closed doors by a few and wasn't ready for prime time, an insult to the MAPS legacy.

And we know he's lying his ass off. And I think Ed shouldn't be the only one under scrutiny for their duplicity. Pete White, who is scheming to undermine the voters by getting more sympathetic anti-MAPS councilmen on the horseshoe, deserves to have an enforced retirement courtesy of the voters.

I will be working VERY HARD to get Greiner, Shadid and White ousted.

I'm still very seriously thinking about running against Greiner.

I'm still very seriously thinking about running against Greiner.

You already know you've got my support

You already know you've got my support

I'm going to let y'all know. I'm slowly laying the groundwork. If someone with better backing emerges, I'll support them, but someone needs to get that idiot out of office.

I'm going to let y'all know. I'm slowly laying the groundwork. If someone with better backing emerges, I'll support them, but someone needs to get that idiot out of office.

I only wish I still lived in the OKC area so I could actively support you. As it is, I'll just have to do it on here.

Where does he think our tax growth is going to come from then?Have no clue. Just stating what I saw him post on FB a week or two ago. If you don't believe me, I can go find the post and post a link.

From now on everyone should only respond to Edgar with the questions he refuses to answer. He is a troll, doesn't have an answer, and is only here to annoy everyone. Responding to his idiotic, random, and generally inaccurate statements is a waste of everyone's time.

Something like this from Bellaboo:


Your sole purpose is being a troll...... when are you going to answer what ES is going to do if elected ? I know he's made a few wild azz claims (like he'd have the power to pull things off as the mayor), but I want to hear it from you ???

From now on everyone should only respond to Edgar with the questions he refuses to answer. He is a troll, doesn't have an answer, and is only here to annoy everyone. Responding to his idiotic, random, and generally inaccurate statements is a waste of everyone's time.

Something like this from Bellaboo:

Good call and I am one that constantly questions him because I hate uninformed people and I consider him really uninformed. I will do my best to constantly ask what ES will do once he becomes Mayor.

I'd like to know what innovative ideas (and not the old standby lets have better bus shelters - that's been around for years) that ES has come up with and pushed through as a councilman ?

If people didn't want the MAPS projects as a group, all they had to do was vote "no". The majority chose not to vote "no". The city did polling prior to the MAPS vote to see what people wanted. Did you forget to fill out the poll? You don't get to revote until you get the answer you want. That's a waste of city funds if anything is, not projects that people can actually use and enjoy.

Also, I assume you mean you want every single MAPS project re-voted upon. Again, you can't pick and choose the particular ones you want to keep and move forward with the ones you like. How do you sort out what to do with the money already collected? MAPS III is almost half done. I suppose Ed thinks he should be able to decide. Because if he is counting on the voters not passing the streetcar if voted on individually, I can guarantee you a revamped bus system will fare far worse.

Ed isn't scheming behind closed doors himself???? It's not fine if others do it, but it's OK if he does? Hypocritical is what I call it.

The polling, that brings up an interesting question Betts. Should MAPSIII projects been addressed in order of decreasing popularity? The cc polled 20%-25%, something abysmal like that.

I PM'd ES a link to this thread so maybe he might come here and try to say something. I think others should do the same.

https://www.facebook.com/ed.shadid.1?fref=ts

Who cares?

What's done is done. We voted on it. For an individual politician and his supporters to do anything but implement MAPS 3 is condescending and patronizing to the voters.

It stinks of ego.

Here is an interview by him: A chat with mayoral candidate Dr. Ed Shadid (Part 3) | Red Dirt Report (http://www.reddirtreport.com/red-dirt-politics/chat-mayoral-candidate-dr-ed-shadid-part-3)

A couple of interesting key notes


“The truth is we’ve largely been without a mayor for the last couple of years because he’s physically not been here, he’s emotionally not here, he’s not speaking to the council. He’s checked out,” Shadid said.that's bs


“What (Cornett’s absence and indifference) does is that it tips the balance more towards the city manager, more towards outside special interests who exert their influence and it’s not healthy for the city,” Shadid said. “And I cannot imagine another four years of him, as disengaged as he was these last two years.”that's bs


“He gave an uninspired talk, poorly researched with no new ideas and no explanation as to why he has led us astray and why he misled the people,” Shadid said.that's bs, well I think it is. Mick is a very inspiring figure to me and he has came out with plenty of new ideas. His "old" ones are just so massive and game changing, it takes time to get them going before we can move on to the next big thing, imo.


“I applaud him for getting the conversation going, now we need a physician to take this to the next level.”more bs. . . what exactly is a physician going to do to help the city? That was a very weird thing to say. . .

Follow this guy closely and it appears he is good at making speeches that point out what is wrong and how his other fellow competitor is disconnected and slacking off. It's the same classic political argument. What scares me is that he is very good at making baseless arguments about the problems and so on, and the uninformed voters will eat it up and as everyone here knows, there is no shortage of uninformed voters.

The polling, that brings up an interesting question Betts. Should MAPSIII projects been addressed in order of decreasing popularity?

When you answer the questions we've asked, I'll answer yours.

Edgar, meet pwned.

Good call and I am one that constantly questions him because I hate uninformed people and I consider him really uninformed. I will do my best to constantly ask what ES will do once he becomes Mayor.

I'm guilty as well, I'm making myself stop.

I'd like to know what innovative ideas (and not the old standby lets have better bus shelters - that's been around for years) that ES has come up with and pushed through as a councilman ?

Man dallas has some pretty sweet bus shelters...I know where I'm moving...

I PM'd ES a link to this thread so maybe he might come here and try to say something. I think others should do the same.

https://www.facebook.com/ed.shadid.1?fref=ts

Plupan, I have no doubt that Ed has been well aware of this thread for a long time. He's not going to come here under his name to post anything.

Ed even came to the OKCTALK get together this summer at Dunlop Codding....... He individually spoke to a few, but he avoided me though for whatever reason......

Man dallas has some pretty sweet bus shelters...I know where I'm moving...

Do you have any moral issues with your city building a free trolley with cozy shelters to serve the mostly affluent while low income riders sit in the elements and have fares increased?

"the mostly affluent"- There is nothing backing this up. This myth was created by Ed Shadid and Pete White. They obviously do not care to know about the diversity of housing downtown or appreciate the fact that all types of citizens use downtown services and institutions if not work there.

Ed Shadid also had an opportunity to work with the MAPS 3 Subcommittee to build support for broader transit investments (including more bus shelters). Instead, he pursued attacking the committee members and the process.

Edgar, your uninformed posts do nothing but illuminate Ed's failed opportunities and irresponsible behavior.

When you answer the questions we've asked, I'll answer yours.
Like I've said, ed is running to be mayor of all of OKC. Mick never has been nor had any interest in serving in that capacity. Dr Shadid would do his best to bring city governanace out from the secret meetings of a few plutocrats that produced half baked schenes like MAPSIII. He's stated he'd make appointments to boards and commission that would more accurately reflect the diversity of culture and innovation in OKC. Being who he is and what he stands for would insantly give a more progressive and diverse face to the city, something we can all agree Ok needs desperately. Glad I could help.

Mick "has never been nor had any interest"- I distinctly remember Mick being a suburban candidate with the "plutocrats" favoring "insider" candidate Jim Tolbert. Mick was the under dog.

Diversity of appointments is only defined by the makeup of those who volunteer to serve. You guys at the Ed Shadid campaign make it sound as though the current mayor is racially profiling candidates rather than being constricted by the diversity of the people actually willing to volunteer.

Diversity of appointments is only defined by the makeup of those who volunteer to serve. You guys at the Ed Shadid campaign make it sound as though the current mayor is racially profiling candidates rather than being constricted by the diversity of the people actually willing to volunteer.

Otherwise known as lying.

Which is it Edgar? Ignorance or dishonesty as the basis for your statements?

I lean toward the latter because you have had ample opportunity to understand how baseless your accusations really are. Since you seem to believe you represent the Shadid campaign (or at least his constituency base) in some capacity, should we assume that is the modus operandi we can expect from a Mayor Shadid?

Ed even came to the OKCTALK get together this summer at Dunlop Codding....... He individually spoke to a few, but he avoided me though for whatever reason......

were you open carrying Bell?
Curious, was he shunned at an OKCTALK get together?

were you open carrying Bell?
Curious, was he shunned at an OKCTALK get together?

First off, I don't own a gun.... Ed came in all smiles, shook very few hands, listened to Bradley Wynn speak about Film Row, walked up front and said goodbye to Pete, then left.

I would have spoken to him, he doesn't intimidate me in the least.

He was not shunned.....but then again, Urban Pioneer and Mick Cornett's daughter in law (I think that was her) was in attendance.

Upon further thought, maybe he knew what kind of questions he'd be asked from the OKCTALK crowd...... thanks for the ammo Edgar...

Like I've said, ed is running to be mayor of all of OKC. Mick never has been nor had any interest in serving in that capacity. Dr Shadid would do his best to bring city governanace out from the secret meetings of a few plutocrats that produced half baked schenes like MAPSIII. He's stated he'd make appointments to boards and commission that would more accurately reflect the diversity of culture and innovation in OKC. Being who he is and what he stands for would insantly give a more progressive and diverse face to the city, something we can all agree Ok needs desperately. Glad I could help.
Talking points response?

Ed Shadid is exactly the person caricatured by the Oklahoman's editorial against him when he ran for Council -- except that he's actually even worse.

Just emailed Pete a photo of the cover of the Sunday Early Edition.

Mick "has never been nor had any interest"- I distinctly remember Mick being a suburban candidate with the "plutocrats" favoring "insider" candidate Jim Tolbert. Mick was the under dog.

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That's not exactly correct.... but I can see how people might have different views of that race.

Just emailed Pete a photo of the cover of the Sunday Early Edition.

Can you post it? Front pages and magazine covers are "fair use."

I agree with Steve about the Tolbert/Cornett race. In fact, as much as I like Mick, I still think the last minute robocalls smearing Jim Tolbert was as nasty a thing I remember in city politics. Of course Mick claimed he knew nothing about it. When reminded, I have to work hard to put that behind me.

That's not exactly correct.... but I can see how people might have different views of that race.

Much of the "old money" was behind Tolbert. Mick ran a campaign that was buoyed by an extremely aggressive political consultant.

But yeah your right, it could be interpreted several different ways.

I always found it fascinating that Tolbert was arguably always an "urbanist". Mick became a "new urbanist". Fascinating change in perspectives.

Can you post it? Front pages and magazine covers are "fair use."

Sent it to Pete as I am on my phone. One word- devastating. Maybe not for people on this board, but for the average potential Shadid voter, devastating...

Sigh.

Transparency? Where?

Urban Pioneer asked me to post this:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/shadid.jpg

By the way, I didn't mean post the article. I believe in traditional journalism and support our (and all) local newspapers. I meant just a snap of the front page to see the headline and peak the interest. A front page that can't be read is "fair use"...I meant it as a way to get people interested.

Edit - I think the above photo is okay. Makes me want to go find it right now.

I agree. Out of respect for journalism, I intentionally did not photograph the rest of the article. Go buy the paper. It is worth it. Particularly the rest of this article.

Wow.

It's quite devastating. So much for "transparency."

I agree. Out of respect for journalism, I intentionally did not photograph the rest of the article. Go buy the paper. It is worth it. Particularly the rest of this article.

There's gonna have to be lot more substance than the weak crap on the front page to earn the title you've given it.

Don't mistake that as me being an Ed supporter.

I guess go buy the paper and find out. My guess is there is more to come.

I guess go buy the paper and find out. My guess is there is more to come.

I'll pass. My guess is if they had more than innuendo they would have reported it.

I think that the issue, simply stated, is that Shadid is actively trying to keep secret behavior that he believed to be criminal sealed off from public view. If that's not a huge deal, then nothing is.

I think that the issue, simply stated, is that Shadid is actively trying to keep secret behavior that he believed to be criminal sealed off from public view. If that's not a huge deal, then nothing is.

If that's not yellow journalism, nothing is.

What's next, the kids?

If that isn't hypocritical campaigning by Shadid (the complete honesty and transparency part), nothing is.

I mean we are becoming a major American city and this position is for our public spokesman and figurehead. Right?

This reminds me of the Gary Hart deal. Didn't Gary just about dare the press to prove he was having an affair?

With Shadid coming down hard in his advertising as the candidate of "transparency," then publishing materials showing his ex-wife in the photos as if they are still married, and trying to hide what is usually public information about his past, he is inviting inquiry.

Also, knowing what we know now about the guy, he would go after anything and everything he could pin on Mick Cornett. He's certainly proven he's willing to play dirty.

http://www.oklahoman.com/article/3912584?embargo=1

Today's article on the Oklahoman's Web site (subscription required). The Oklahoman has also disabled comments on their Web site. From the lead...

Oklahoma City mayoral candidate Ed Shadid sought to keep possible criminal wrongdoing from coming out in his divorce by invoking his Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination, The Oklahoman has learned.

He's not saying why.

Shadid invoked the constitutional privilege in 2006 after hiring Josh Welch, at the time a prominent criminal defense attorney.

After granting a divorce in 2007, a judge sealed from public view Shadid's reasons for invoking the Fifth Amendment as well as dozens of other records. The judge sealed the records at Shadid's and his ex-wife's request.

The divorce decree itself remained open.

Shadid now is fighting at the Oklahoma Supreme Court to keep the sealed records secret. He went to the Supreme Court after his divorce judge indicated she likely would unseal the records since he is a mayoral candidate.

Three Oklahoma County judges who have handled divorce cases told The Oklahoman it is extremely rare for someone in a divorce proceeding to invoke the Fifth Amendment. It is most commonly seen in criminal cases and is often referred to as “taking the Fifth.”

Front page Oklahoman yellow journalism may sway the handful of octogenarians that still subscribe, excepting my mother whom I had to inform that she couldn't vote for Shadid because she lives in Warr Acres.

This will have a huge impact on the race...Instead of Mick winning 65% of the vote he will now get 70% lol

Front page Oklahoman yellow journalism may sway the handful of octogenarians that still subscribe, excepting my mother whom I had to inform that she couldn't vote for Shadid because she lives in Warr Acres.

I'm not an octogenarian, but I still subscribe.

This will have a huge impact on the race...Instead of Mick winning 65% of the vote he will now get 70% lol

Do you really believe this? I know probably equal #s on both sides. You have to admit, Shadid has made things interesting. The Taco Bell pothead was good theater but no one took him serious though he didn't lose by that much.

This will have a huge impact on the race...Instead of Mick winning 65% of the vote he will now get 70% lol

I think your prediction of OKC's mayor being reelected is still correct at this time. However, I think your assigned percentages are pure fantasy.
I'd place it as far closer (and even as an outsider i wish the incumbent's folks were proceeding in similar fashion.)

I won't be surprised to see a 55-45 (or closer) race if it is a two way race between Cornett and Shadid. That's still a healthy margin though for any well contested batttle.

The Taco Bell pothead was good theatre

And you think Ed's run isn't theatrical? lol At least Steve Hunt and Ed have one thing in common. Hey! I wonder... hmmm Ed had to get his pot from somewhere...

Ofcourse the irony is that the "sealed records issue" isn't even about pot.

What is ED hiding?

And you think Ed's run isn't theatrical? lol At least Steve Hunt and Ed have one thing in common. Hey! I wonder... hmmm Ed had to get his pot from somewhere...

Ofcourse the irony is that the "sealed records issue" isn't even about pot.

What is ED hiding?

misdemeanor weed charge? became emotional during the divorce and his ex called the cops? Actual criminal records are public record of course. What's your bet? Let's have a pool.

This may chap a few folks. May not. It isn't about this candidate in my mind.

I don't know what the man did not want revealed during his divorce proceedings. Whatever it was, it brought on a concern about being compelled to provide incriminating information against himself.

A court of competent jurisdiction heard the request, and though unusual for its setting, the court granted the request.
I think I'm good with that.

As to notions of now he is running for public office so the public has a right to know ... hogwarsh, poppycock and balderdash.
Mind you, I have no issue at all with the public having a right to know a candidate once chose to make an assertion of his fifth amendment rights. There is no right for anyone to hide having done so. And the public does know this has happened. It's public record that it has happened.

But if it was a valid assertion, then it was, and he ought to be able to rely on his assertion being in place unless and until he decides he longer seeks or needs the protections our constitution affords him as a citizen.

If some, even thousands, even tens of thousands, of folks draw a negative inference and decide they do not wish to vote for someone who made the choices he made, such is the right of each voter to decide for himself or herself.

But the mere act of running for public office ought not to require one to have less protection under the law than any other citizen enjoys.

Given how some imaginations work, the candidate might well fare better if he was very forthcoming on this matter. That said, I don't think he ought to be stripped of his ability to assert a protection afforded by the federal constitution.

I think your prediction of OKC's mayor being reelected is still correct at this time. However, I think your assigned percentages are pure fantasy.
I'd place it as far closer (and even as an outsider i wish the incumbent's folks were proceeding in similar fashion.)

I won't be surprised to see a 55-45 (or closer) race if it is a two way race between Cornett and Shadid. That's still a healthy margin though for any well contested batttle.

We will see I guess...I predict most of the folks who actually care to vote will vote for Mick mainly for his role in nabbing the Thunder...Couple that with the city faring rather well makes it an easy win in my book

I would venture to guess that at least 70% of the metro has no idea who the heck Shadid is

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I would venture to guess that at least 70% of the metro has no idea who the heck Shadid is

Quite possibly, considering that's about the size of the overall non-voting population.

Your right about him having rights. Totally agree. But then don't run a campaign based on a transparency argument. If your going to continue to do so, state that (personally) to the press.

He has rights. But if you run for office of what is becoming a major American city, expect scrutiny.

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