How dare they make our city better and improve the overall quality of life here.

When in Rome...

Don't feed, don't engage, don't make eye contact.

I'm thinking this may be the best plan. Let Edgar embarrass himself with his fatuous remarks and have a conversation of one. He can convince himself even if he's not convinced anyone else.

DeludED

To use an analogy from My Cousin Vinny..

He is trying to build a brick house of a case against Cornett. He is trying to show you that all the bricks are square, the right color, stacked correctly to make a nice brick wall.

But the cards are paper thin, they have no depth or context and are there to mislead people who will say "Wow, that's a nice wall" but won't take the time to look at the wall from the side and to see how flimsy and thin his case against Cornett is.

Well they certainly are trying. I heard that they (Shadid's people) are filing nearly one open records act at the city every single day for the past couple of weeks hoping to find something, anything to create a controversy.

At the same time, Shadid is fighting journalists to keep his sealed divorce record sealed.

I had coffee this morning with another poster on here to talk about the Boulevard. We ended up talking about how negative this thread has gone. But there is such uniformity in thought, you would think that says something to people about Ed and his tactics. They certainly are trying to present a very shiny image with the new mailings and so forth.

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Well they certainly are trying. I heard that they (Shadid's people) are filing nearly one open records act at the city every single day for the past couple of weeks hoping to find something, anything to create a controversy.

At the same time, Shadid is fighting journalists to keep his sealed divorce record sealed.

I had coffee this morning with another poster on here to talk about the Boulevard. We ended up talking about how negative this thread has gone. But there is such uniformity in thought, you would think that says something to people about Ed and his tactics. They certainly are trying to present a very shiny image with the new mailings and so forth.

To be fair, Nolan Clay from the Oklahoman has been trying to unseal Shadid's divorce files.

What do you mean "to be fair"? Isn't Nolan Clay a journalist?

What do you mean "to be fair"? Isn't Nolan Clay a journalist?

Well, The Oklahoman hasn't exactly been known to be a fence sitter in these elections. All's fair in politics though.

Ed's Twitter account replied back to me. They're saying that the Mayor's Office has no records of calendar appointments for 8 years. So he's saying people came in for meetings and were given appointments in back-room type deals...?

Even so, once again, COUNCIL APPROVES NOMINATIONS. Council can vote against any nomination they please. It's not like a strong-mayor system whereby a Mayor can appoint cronies at will. There's a system of checks and balances in OKC's Mayor/Council format. If Council isn't checking the Mayor, isn't that their fault?

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Well, The Oklahoman hasn't exactly been known to be a fence sitter in these elections. All's fair in politics though.

Different owners now. Still don't understand why pursuing open records is somehow a slight of hand. It seems obvious that Shadid seems desperate in keeping people from knowing about his past.


The question is WHY?

He hasn't responded yet to anything, so who knows?

He's been pretty up front about his addiction issues.

About the mary jane (specifically) yes.

About the mary jane (specifically) yes.

One wonders if marijuana was the extent of his experimentation, and one could easily conclude, "no." Why is he so worried about keeping his divorce records sealed?

More about not wanting to witness OKC's progress halt.

What is keeping people like me here is the hope for progress. This city isn't what myself nor many others want it to be, yet. It is slowly improving.

We want a healthy, vibrant city. Culturally and economically. We want a real urban core, with real transit. With rail transit, with a great bus system. We want the city to be a healthy, well oiled machine. We want to see the city continue to grow, and continue to work without major political battles.

We have none of that right now. But, people like me are sticking around because of the hope and belief that we are on the right track. That those things are quite literally around the corner.

Seeing Cornett lose would be to see that vision lose and die. I can't justify that in my mind. We will have a city so divided on politics that progress will halt. We will have debate after debate, and discussion after discussion, and study after study, and expert after expert. But not one shovel in the ground.

I'd rather pack my bags and move to a city that "gets it" and where I can enjoy my life instead of spending it unhappy in a city that is no longer progressing into the modern world.That's a very reasonable and well thought out post and I appreciate it!

From what I've heard, Ed actually wants to stop widening the roads out on the fringe of the city and use that money for a stronger bus network, keep that in mind.

BTW, let me just say this so nothing gets confused here, I support Mick 100%.

exasperatED.

That's a very reasonable and well thought out post and I appreciate it!

From what I've heard, Ed actually wants to stop widening the roads out on the fringe of the city and use that money for a stronger bus network, keep that in mind.

BTW, let me just say this so nothing gets confused here, I support Mick 100%.

Where does he think our tax growth is going to come from then?

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That's a very reasonable and well thought out post and I appreciate it!

From what I've heard, Ed actually wants to stop widening the roads out on the fringe of the city and use that money for a stronger bus network, keep that in mind.

BTW, let me just say this so nothing gets confused here, I support Mick 100%.

I don't know how he'd do that. The widenings are all GO Bond funded. You can't use Bond funds for operation...

What do you mean "to be fair"? Isn't Nolan Clay a journalist?

Most of dok's investigative journalism consists of trying to dig up dirt on state workers and democrats.

Most of dok's investigative journalism consists of trying to dig up dirt on state workers and democrats.

Edgar, your tin-foil hat is falling over your eyes. You might want to fix that...

but it helps with reception

What the hell are you talking about? What cherished institutions did Aubrey raze? One Chopt Square? A few homes? And when did Ed say that CHK and Aubrey were in trouble that no one else knew about? Most people on this board were aware that the company was highly leveraged and over staffed. What's your point?

My buddy actually cried over the original Pearls. Always meant to visit the NH Drug lunch counter, oops

My buddy actually cried over the original Pearls. Always meant to visit the NH Drug lunch counter, oops

And ES had what to do with stopping those?

More about not wanting to witness OKC's progress halt.

What is keeping people like me here is the hope for progress. This city isn't what myself nor many others want it to be, yet. It is slowly improving.

We want a healthy, vibrant city. Culturally and economically. We want a real urban core, with real transit. With rail transit, with a great bus system. We want the city to be a healthy, well oiled machine. We want to see the city continue to grow, and continue to work without major political battles.

We have none of that right now. But, people like me are sticking around because of the hope and belief that we are on the right track. That those things are quite literally around the corner.

Seeing Cornett lose would be to see that vision lose and die. I can't justify that in my mind. We will have a city so divided on politics that progress will halt. We will have debate after debate, and discussion after discussion, and study after study, and expert after expert. But not one shovel in the ground.

I'd rather pack my bags and move to a city that "gets it" and where I can enjoy my life instead of spending it unhappy in a city that is no longer progressing into the modern world.

Aren't you hitching the wagon to the wrong horse if you want real transit. Cornett era changes in public transport: Canadian River cruises costing the city like 8 million a year, threatening to cut some bus routes as a precursor to announcing a fare increase and transfers would no longer be gratis. Remember, that was the council meeting Mick famously walked out on rather than hear the pathetic pleas of the lesser of us. A free trolley serving the affluent downtown would be a cute cherry on the cupcake that is a real transit system.

Aren't you hitching the wagon to the wrong horse if you want real transit. Cornett era changes in public transport: Canadian River cruises costing the city like 8 million a year, threatening to cut some bus routes as a precursor to announcing a fare increase and transfers would no longer be gratis. Remember, that was the council meeting Mick famously walked out on rather than hear the pathetic pleas of the lesser of us. A free trolley serving the affluent downtown would be a cute cherry on the cupcake that is a real transit system.

And what is Ed going to do about it and how is he going to fund it? I have asked you that three times and you haven't answered me three times.

Aren't you hitching the wagon to the wrong horse if you want real transit. Cornett era changes in public transport: Canadian River cruises costing the city like 8 million a year, threatening to cut some bus routes as a precursor to announcing a fare increase and transfers would no longer be gratis. Remember, that was the council meeting Mick famously walked out on rather than hear the pathetic pleas of the lesser of us. A free trolley serving the affluent downtown would be a cute cherry on the cupcake that is a real transit system.

Hate saying this Edgar,

Your sole purpose is being a troll...... when are you going to answer what ES is going to do if elected ? I know he's made a few wild azz claims (like he'd have the power to pull things off as the mayor), but I want to hear it from you ???

Aren't you hitching the wagon to the wrong horse if you want real transit. Cornett era changes in public transport: Canadian River cruises costing the city like 8 million a year, threatening to cut some bus routes as a precursor to announcing a fare increase and transfers would no longer be gratis. Remember, that was the council meeting Mick famously walked out on rather than hear the pathetic pleas of the lesser of us. A free trolley serving the affluent downtown would be a cute cherry on the cupcake that is a real transit system.

Under Cornett, the citizens passed MAPS 3 which contains the streetcar as well as the ground work for a multimodal transit hub. Cornett is involved with ACOG, to get commuter rail and other transit initiative moving. City council, under the lead of Mayor Cornett voted to increase the bus transit budget by a considerable sum.

To say Cornett is not interested in improving transit is nothing but a lie.

My buddy actually cried over the original Pearls.

Get a life. It's a restaurant. I'm sure the owners are more than happy considering their new location is far and away nicer than anything which previously existed. He cried? What kind of emo little twit is your friend?


Always meant to visit the NH Drug lunch counter, oops

I'll trade it for the Classen Curve. Are you kidding?

Get a life. It's a restaurant. I'm sure the owners are more than happy considering their new location is far and away nicer than anything which previously existed. He cried? What kind of emo little twit is your friend?



I'll trade it for the Classen Curve. Are you kidding?

soulless, elitist v. neighborhood quaint

soulless, elitist v. neighborhood quaint

Pearls = Elitist?!?
Upper Crust Pizza = Elitist?!?
In name only

soulless, elitist v. neighborhood quaint


Pearls = Elitist?!?
Upper Crust Pizza = Elitist?!?
In name only

SMH......wow.

Edgar, if you really want Dr Shadid to have a chance in this election, you should do him a favor and cease trying to be his spokesman.

It's funny how those who cry the most over the loss of some "quaint" little neighborhood business never seemed to actually support there or support that business in the first place...

Get a life. It's a restaurant. I'm sure the owners are more than happy considering their new location is far and away nicer than anything which previously existed. He cried? What kind of emo little twit is your friend?



I'll trade it for the Classen Curve. Are you kidding?
My friend is 60 and to him the original Pearls was indeed a cherished institution neighborhood bar he stopped in after work to visit with old friends. Some people are silly sentimentalists

SMH......wow.

Edgar, if you really want Dr Shadid to have a chance in this election, you should do him a favor and cease trying to be his spokesman.

If I can just manage to turn some people on this board I like Ed's chances.

If I can just manage to turn some people on this board I like Ed's chances.

That might be possible if you addressed any of the issues. All you've done is make broad statements with no context. What you've done is make it abundantly clear that Ed's campaign is based on the negative, i.e., "Here's what is wrong" rather than what he can do. Please, keep at it. You're making it very easy to discredit the Shadid "campaign."

I think Edgar's role is to simply keep the thread moving forward so the stuff that makes Ed look bad gets buried several pages back. It's a well-known astroturfing strategy.

I thought maybe he was working on the Steve Hunt crazy voter base block.

A makeover for OKC bus stops? (http://www.okcfox.com/story/23676933/a-makeover-for-okc-bus-stops)
Check out the beauty in the photo, now that's positive changes to a rider.
Just being who he is and what he stands for would be a big change for OKC. Like Ed said, he'd try to make city government reflect the actual diversity of the town. OKC doesn't really have representative government.

If I can just manage to turn some people on this board I like Ed's chances.

What you are doing is turning off all of the 'guest' who read this thread.....no way you'll change anyone else's view on ES.

okc-bus-stops[/B]]A makeover for OKC bus stops? (http://www.okcfox.com/story/23676933/a-makeover-for-OKC doesn't really have representative government.

As irony goes, this could be a part of MAPS IV......

Do you think Ed will represent you ? You can't trust a liar can you ?

If I can just manage to turn some people on this board I like Ed's chances.

You go ahead and believe that.....voter apathy is a bigger threat to Mayor Cornett than nonsensical ramblings by people on a message board.

A makeover for OKC bus stops? (http://www.okcfox.com/story/23676933/a-makeover-for-okc-bus-stops)
Check out the beauty in the photo, now that's positive changes to a rider.
Just being who he is and what he stands for would be a big change for OKC. Like Ed said, he'd try to make city government reflect the actual diversity of the town. OKC doesn't really have representative government.

And how is he going to do that? Force people who are not qualified into positions people don't want them in?

You go ahead and believe that.....voter apathy is a bigger threat to Mayor Cornett than nonsensical ramblings by people on a message board.

True. However, general voter apathy + energized aginners + first time voters can make for a closer race than many are anticipating.

- an outsider looking in who doesn't think the incumbent is behind, but also doesn't think such concerns are at all unwarranted.

^ Absolutely correct kevin.

A makeover for OKC bus stops? (http://www.okcfox.com/story/23676933/a-makeover-for-okc-bus-stops)
Check out the beauty in the photo, now that's positive changes to a rider.
Just being who he is and what he stands for would be a big change for OKC. Like Ed said, he'd try to make city government reflect the actual diversity of the town. OKC doesn't really have representative government.

We already know the bus system is a joke and should be fixed. I don't think many here disagree with that at all. What we do disagree with is how he is wanting to change it. He is wanting to syphon funds from other MAPS3 projects that the people voted for and use them for the bus system. Of course, even if he did become Mayor, he would need a majority vote to make that happen and he only has himself, Grenier and White on his side and has to find two more. From the streetcar debate I saw, I don't think Meg, Larry, David, Patrick or John will agree with him. So, he will just be a the mayor without any power because he voted against every chance he gets.

... From the streetcar debate I saw, I don't think Meg, Larry, David, Patrick or John will agree with him. So, he will just be a the mayor without any power because he voted against every chance he gets.

Of the sitting council members, which two wards face the potential of having opponents in the upcoming spring election?
Are they in districts which previously went well for the incumbent mayor?
Do the respective districts presently seem stronger in support for the incumbent or the one known mayoral challenger?

What happens on the horseshoe post-election, irrespective of the mayoral race, if the present makeup of the council shifts and two more folks have a take another look perspective instead of a stay the course perspective?

FWIW, apathy has many implications, going well beyond who becomes mayor.

Elections for Wards 2 (Shadid), 5 (Greenwell), 6 (Salyer) and 8 (Ryan) will be in Spring 2015.

So if Shadid gets in and if his machine can get someone else into the Ward 2 seat for the rest of his term, we'd still be looking at 5-4 votes against the Mayor on most issues for the first year. Increase the number of wards and the Shadid machine gets further people in and things could get interesting.

My friend is 60 and to him the original Pearls was indeed a cherished institution neighborhood bar he stopped in after work to visit with old friends. Some people are silly sentimentalists

I don't think Pearls has even been around very long ? Not long enough to be an institution anyways....

So when was your 60 year old friend going to Pearls ? When he was 50 ......

Elections for Wards 2 (Shadid), 5 (Greenwell), 6 (Salyer) and 8 (Ryan) will be in Spring 2015.
...

My bad. My outsider brain hadn't realized/remembered no council seats were up this spring.

I don't think Pearls has even been around very long ? Not long enough to be an institution anyways....

So when was your 60 year old friend going to Pearls ? When he was 50 ......

25 years or so, IIRC? Not sure if that qualifies as an institution, but it's more than 10 years.

25 years or so, IIRC? Not sure if that qualifies as an institution, but it's more than 10 years.

25 years is nothing. It's just more inuendo and BS from the ES camp....

My bad. My outsider brain hadn't realized/remembered no council seats were up this spring.

Yeah, but you posed some important questions. People need to be thinking about the full implications and how their game plan could play out. You can be very sure they are.

We already know the bus system is a joke and should be fixed. I don't think many here disagree with that at all. What we do disagree with is how he is wanting to change it. He is wanting to syphon funds from other MAPS3 projects that the people voted for and use them for the bus system. Of course, even if he did become Mayor, he would need a majority vote to make that happen and he only has himself, Grenier and White on his side and has to find two more. From the streetcar debate I saw, I don't think Meg, Larry, David, Patrick or John will agree with him. So, he will just be a the mayor without any power because he voted against every chance he gets.

He's stated doesn't want to divert money from any MAPSIII projects. Think he just wants to do it right and return it to a vote of the people when it's not part of a logroll. face it, MAPSII schemed behind closed doors by a few and wasn't ready for prime time, an insult to the MAPS legacy.

Return what to the vote of the people? We already voted on it once?

He's stated doesn't want to divert money from any MAPSIII projects. Think he just wants to do it right and return it to a vote of the people when it's not part of a logroll. face it, MAPSII schemed behind closed doors by a few and wasn't ready for prime time, an insult to the MAPS legacy.

Wasn't this MAPS for KIDS ?

He's stated doesn't want to divert money from any MAPSIII projects. Think he just wants to do it right and return it to a vote of the people when it's not part of a logroll. face it, MAPSII schemed behind closed doors by a few and wasn't ready for prime time, an insult to the MAPS legacy.

If people didn't want the MAPS projects as a group, all they had to do was vote "no". The majority chose not to vote "no". The city did polling prior to the MAPS vote to see what people wanted. Did you forget to fill out the poll? You don't get to revote until you get the answer you want. That's a waste of city funds if anything is, not projects that people can actually use and enjoy.

Also, I assume you mean you want every single MAPS project re-voted upon. Again, you can't pick and choose the particular ones you want to keep and move forward with the ones you like. How do you sort out what to do with the money already collected? MAPS III is almost half done. I suppose Ed thinks he should be able to decide. Because if he is counting on the voters not passing the streetcar if voted on individually, I can guarantee you a revamped bus system will fare far worse.

Ed isn't scheming behind closed doors himself???? It's not fine if others do it, but it's OK if he does? Hypocritical is what I call it.

If I can just manage to turn some people on this board I like Ed's chances.

I think you've likely done the reverse. I have yet to hear a single reasonable point you've made in Ed's favor. You ignore every question and post platitudes without substance. And Ed's behavior is turning away people who voted for him for city council.

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