So that is the defense of ignorance? Everyone else thinks so too? Playing off people's ignorance, fear and hate is what created the vote. A result, I might add, that was soundly renounced by the courts and everyone else. Am I proud that Oklahoma is in the grips of a fear mongering right wing tea party...NO. Can we sit by and let ignorance go forward without rejection...HELL NO. We want more for Oklahoma. Progress isn't about shiny new buildings up to the sidewalk with rail-cars passing by...it is about lifting our society from a backwards mentality. We should have no place here for profiling to stir up hateful emotions.

You've made an excellent argument to vote Ed!

You've made an excellent argument to vote Ed!

All I've seen is divisiveness from Ed, so I can't make your argument work.

I think you're conflating the State and City Chambers.

They are two different organizations.

Greater Oklahoma City Chamber - Let’s make intangible taxes tangible for you (http://www.okcchamber.com/index.php?src=blog&category=Leadership%20Notes&submenu=Newsroom&srctype=detail&blogid=26)

You've made an excellent argument to vote Ed!

And what exactly has Cornett done that hasn't helped elevated OKC's national image and perception?

Shadid is running against a nationally popular Mick Cornett, not Sally freaking Kern.

Greater Oklahoma City Chamber - Let’s make intangible taxes tangible for you (http://www.okcchamber.com/index.php?src=blog&category=Leadership%20Notes&submenu=Newsroom&srctype=detail&blogid=26)

I don't think you understand what a chamber of commerce exists to do. From wikipedia:


A chamber of commerce (also referred to in some circles as a board of trade) is a form of business network, e.g., a local organization of businesses whose goal is to further the interests of businesses. Business owners in towns and cities form these local societies to advocate on behalf of the business community.

So yeah, they were for getting rid of the intangible taxes. Why? Because it helped the very local businesses that pay the chamber to look out for their best interests.

If Sid's post a couple pages back about the relationship between local business and the community didn't knock any sense into you, I'm afraid we're all just wasting time here.

Would anyone here consider moving if Ed wins the election? I don't think I would do it immediately, but I would definitely consider it if everything that I think would happen does happen (i.e. ruining the Maps brand, divided city council, etc)

Not necessarily. I will probably move either way.

Would anyone here consider moving if Ed wins the election? I don't think I would do it immediately, but I would definitely consider it if everything that I think would happen does happen (i.e. ruining the Maps brand, divided city council, etc)

You talking moving far away, or just somewhere else local?

Would anyone here consider moving if Ed wins the election? I don't think I would do it immediately, but I would definitely consider it if everything that I think would happen does happen (i.e. ruining the Maps brand, divided city council, etc)

Yes. I already have a Chicago option, and might well choose to move away if he is elected, stops the streetcar and creates chaos in city council. If nothing else, since I work 14 days and then have 14 off, I would for sure spend my 2 weeks off in Chicago instead of here. I'll be off the streetcar subcommittee if he is elected, so my biggest non work commitment will be nonexistent.

You talking moving far away, or just somewhere else local?

Out of the state of Oklahoma. I would assume if you don't like Shadid, you don't want to move to Tulsa because that's what he would create.

Ummm....

Just out of curiosity...

Has anyone or any political organization performed even an informal straw poll about where things sit between Cornett and Shady?

I'd think, given all his notoriety, if Shady isn't already significantly above historical levels for an opponent facing a popular incumbent mayor, he's got little further headroom to mine...

I'd think, given all his notoriety, if Shady isn't already significantly above historical levels for an opponent facing a popular incumbent mayor, he's got little further headroom to mine...

This race will not be about the polled numbers but about the actual turnout. Cornett's biggest enemy is voter apathy.

This race will not be about the polled numbers but about the actual turnout. Cornett's biggest enemy is voter apathy.

True, but in reality the actual turnout rarely departs too greatly from general polling numbers - esp. self-identified likely/will-vote respondents. Not saying it can't vary, of course, but I'd still be interested in what polling data says. Bound to be some out there somewhere.

Yes. I already have a Chicago option, and might well choose to move away if he is elected, stops the streetcar and creates chaos in city council. If nothing else, since I work 14 days and then have 14 off, I would for sure spend my 2 weeks off in Chicago instead of here. I'll be off the streetcar subcommittee if he is elected, so my biggest non work commitment will be nonexistent.

Would you move if Mayor Mick is reelected as well?

I don't think you understand what a chamber of commerce exists to do. From wikipedia:



So yeah, they were for getting rid of the intangible taxes. Why? Because it helped the very local businesses that pay the chamber to look out for their best interests.

If Sid's post a couple pages back about the relationship between local business and the community didn't knock any sense into you, I'm afraid we're all just wasting time here.

Right, the chamber has become a powerful lobbying force looking out for their own interests and not necessarily the good of the commonwealth and therefore their participation should be met with some healthy skepticism.

Right, the chamber has become a powerful lobbying force looking out for their own interests and not necessarily the good of the commonwealth and therefore their participation should be met with some healthy skepticism.

Can't they look out for their own interest and the good of the commonwealth?

Right, the chamber has become a powerful lobbying force looking out for their own interests and not necessarily the good of the commonwealth and therefore their participation should be met with some healthy skepticism.

You are starting to sound like a robot....... their interest IS for the good of the commomwealth.......

How about posting a black and white example where this has got you buggered up ?

You are starting to sound like a robot....... their interest IS for the good of the commomwealth.......

How about posting a black and white example where this has got you buggered up ?

766 yet another blow to ed funding in Ok and everyone knew it.

766 yet another blow to ed funding in Ok and everyone knew it.

Which is a state question, correct?

Can't they look out for their own interest and the good of the commonwealth?

That's kind of what the municipal Chamber is about. Having actual jobs in OKC is good for everyone. The city Chamber doesn't really get involved with negotiating tax cuts for corporate jets and whatnot.

That's kind of what the municipal Chamber is about. Having actual jobs in OKC is good for everyone. The city Chamber doesn't really get involved with negotiating tax cuts for corporate jets and whatnot.

I know that. You know that. Edgar does not know that.

Right, the chamber has become a powerful lobbying force looking out for their own interests and not necessarily the good of the commonwealth and therefore their participation should be met with some healthy skepticism.

What exactly are those interests, since they are a not for profit entity? Seems to me that those interests would be those of their members, both large and small, all part of the commonwealth, all providing jobs to the citizens of the greater OKC metro and reinvesting money back into the community. If that meant less taxes for their members, then so be it. If they weren't looking out for those interests, then shame on them for not doing their job.

You've made an excellent argument to vote Ed!

Don't think I would ever vote for him based on what I know. It is more about what he thinks and does and not about what his race, religion or family heritage is. It is his politics, tactics and personality I am opposed to. Not hating someone is not the same as agreeing with them.

Which is a state question, correct?

Yes, the electorate that saved the state from creeping Sharia voted themselves an inevitable property tax increase.

Yes, the electorate that saved the state from creeping Sharia.

They didn't save anything. It was an illegal law that passed and was struck down. stupid to even propose it in the first place. Another tea party paranoia that lowered the intelligence of the people and cost us a lot of wasted money.

They didn't save anything. It was an illegal law that passed and was struck down. stupid to even propose it in the first place. Another tea party paranoia that lowered the intelligence of the people and cost us a lot of wasted money.

IT was not at all "stupid" nor was it just part of "tea party" paranoia. You might study a bit on the origins of the anti-Sharia laws before you exhibit your own variety of bigotry and intolerance for blasting those who supported it as "stupid" and "lowering the intelligence." I'm not going to derail this thread any further with this as it has nothing to do with the Shady campaign, but I thoroughly supported the question and would vote for it again were I given the opportunity. If that makes me "dumb" or "stupid" in the eyes of an Internet bulletin board poster, so be it, but my support for it wasn't because of "tea party paranoia."

Would anyone here consider moving if Ed wins the election? I don't think I would do it immediately, but I would definitely consider it if everything that I think would happen does happen (i.e. ruining the Maps brand, divided city council, etc)

Absolutely. He would be a total disaster for this city. And frankly, OKC is about the only thing Oklahoma has going for it right now. Norman is stagnating. I've never really cottoned to Tulsa overall. And the state's political climate is suffocating and backward.

OKC is what keeps me here, and what will ultimately move this state into the 21st Century, that is unless someone like Shadid screws up a good thing.

No more MAPS? No more city-wide improvements? Constant bickering and zero positive results? No, I don't want that, and if OKC tanks, I'm taking my family out of Dodge and moving to greener pastures.

Absolutely. He would be a total disaster for this city.


It's A Strange OKC Mayor's Race: Shadid's Admissions Raise Eyebrows | The McCarville Report (http://mccarvillereport.com/archives/16276)

Some pretty bizarre things listed. The Green Party stuff doesn't bother me a bit, but some of that other is just.....well....strange.

A few bombshells I certainly didn't know about.

One McCarville missed: His changing his name several years ago before his State House campaign.

Yes, the electorate that saved the state from creeping Sharia voted themselves an inevitable property tax increase.

Are you for or against increased taxes? A lot of Ed's plans will increase taxes and the money can't come from MAPS. He seems to have some supporters who think he is against taxation, but really, he just wants to use the money to support his interests. He can't increase police and fire numbers without increasing taxes. He can't save education and end poverty (those are two of his goals, right, although I'm curious how he plans to affect either at a city level) without massive tax increases. He can't fix the bus system without a massive increase in taxes. To increase the bus system to what was suggested in the fixed guideways study would require an annual budget of $60 million for O&M I was told. Where is he going to get the money? That requires tremendous voter goodwill, both from Republicans and Democrats. If he takes money away from projects they voted for in the last MAPS election, does he seriously think the voters will happily give him even more money to do with as he wills? Does he think the tea-partiers who are mistakenly supporting him will happily vote to increase their taxes? Again, all I can see ahead of us if he gets elected is chaos: a divided council, an unhappy electorate who suddenly realizes they should have voted in the mayoral election, members of boards who are his cronies but have no idea what they're doing because they have no experience with city issues, wary businesses who aren't sure they still want to invest when the previous momentum in Oklahoma City is suddenly going awry, an anti-business climate, and so forth.

Are you for or against increased taxes? A lot of Ed's plans will increase taxes and the money can't come from MAPS. He seems to have some supporters who think he is against taxation, but really, he just wants to use the money to support his interests. He can't increase police and fire numbers without increasing taxes. He can't save education and end poverty (those are two of his goals, right, although I'm curious how he plans to affect either at a city level) without massive tax increases. He can't fix the bus system without a massive increase in taxes. To increase the bus system to what was suggested in the fixed guideways study would require an annual budget of $60 million for O&M I was told. Where is he going to get the money? That requires tremendous voter goodwill, both from Republicans and Democrats. If he takes money away from projects they voted for in the last MAPS election, does he seriously think the voters will happily give him even more money to do with as he wills? Does he think the tea-partiers who are mistakenly supporting him will happily vote to increase their taxes? Again, all I can see ahead of us if he gets elected is chaos: a divided council, an unhappy electorate who suddenly realizes they should have voted in the mayoral election, members of boards who are his cronies but have no idea what they're doing because they have no experience with city issues, wary businesses who aren't sure they still want to invest when the previous momentum in Oklahoma City is suddenly going awry, an anti-business climate, and so forth.

Someone I met with recently said they know multiple equity investors who are currently working major projects in OKC who would pull out immediately if Cornett were not reeelected. This person does not blow smoke, either. They would know.

Someone I met with recently said they know multiple equity investors who are currently working major projects in OKC who would pull out immediately if Cornett were not reeelected. This person does not blow smoke, either. They would know.

Color me confused then. Because Ed said that if he was elected Mayor, companies would be flocking to come to OKC. Interesting.

Would anyone here consider moving if Ed wins the election? I don't think I would do it immediately, but I would definitely consider it if everything that I think would happen does happen (i.e. ruining the Maps brand, divided city council, etc)

I think the view from atop the Devon Tower would have a lot of tail lights on the interstates to the north, south, east, and west..... mine included probably if all my kids were out of school. The amazing transformation that has occurred in OKC over the last couple of decades would halt and no longer be a reason to stay. Being part of a city undergoing such a dramatic change for the better is what keeps many people here rather than moving to places that offer more amenities and other options. I think the policies and ideas offered by Ed would put a stop to this progress and in turn greatly reduce the obvious economic reasons for relocating to or remaining in OKC.

Would anyone here consider moving if Ed wins the election? I don't think I would do it immediately, but I would definitely consider it if everything that I think would happen does happen (i.e. ruining the Maps brand, divided city council, etc)Really!? Please explain to me why Ed Shadid being mayor would be horrible for OKC? Moving because someone becomes mayor you didn't support or like? Are you talking moving to a suburb or actually relocating to another city?

I highly doubt Ed would do serious harm to OKC like some here seem to think he would. Just because he has lied a few times doesn't mean he is a horrible person. There seems to be some grudges held against him by a few people here that I suspect were personally burnt by him, but I'm willing to bet there are some out there who hate Mick's guts because he has burnt them as well. Politics is a dirty business and if you think this is bad, wonder what Chicago's would be like.

Really!? Please explain to me why Ed Shadid being mayor would be horrible for OKC? Moving because someone becomes mayor you didn't support or like? Are you talking moving to a suburb or actually relocating to another city?

I highly doubt Ed would do serious harm to OKC like some here seem to think he would. Just because he has lied a few times doesn't mean he is a horrible person. There seems to be some grudges held against him by a few people here that I suspect were personally burnt by him, but I'm willing to bet there are some out there who hate Mick's guts because he has burnt them as well. Politics is a dirty business and if you think this is bad, wonder what Chicago's would be like.

More about not wanting to witness OKC's progress halt.

What is keeping people like me here is the hope for progress. This city isn't what myself nor many others want it to be, yet. It is slowly improving.

We want a healthy, vibrant city. Culturally and economically. We want a real urban core, with real transit. With rail transit, with a great bus system. We want the city to be a healthy, well oiled machine. We want to see the city continue to grow, and continue to work without major political battles.

We have none of that right now. But, people like me are sticking around because of the hope and belief that we are on the right track. That those things are quite literally around the corner.

Seeing Cornett lose would be to see that vision lose and die. I can't justify that in my mind. We will have a city so divided on politics that progress will halt. We will have debate after debate, and discussion after discussion, and study after study, and expert after expert. But not one shovel in the ground.

I'd rather pack my bags and move to a city that "gets it" and where I can enjoy my life instead of spending it unhappy in a city that is no longer progressing into the modern world.

Pretty sure Ed grew up in OKC, loves the place and wants to make it better for all it's citizens.

Someone I met with recently said they know multiple equity investors who are currently working major projects in OKC who would pull out immediately if Cornett were not reeelected. This person does not blow smoke, either. They would know.

ciao, so sick of whiny chamber people.

Pretty sure Ed grew up in OKC, loves the place and wants to make it better for all it's citizens.

Wanting to make things better and actually having the plan and tools to do so are not one and the same. He's never given anyone a plan and his ideas don't sound workable. You have yet to say anything of substance either, which doesn't give me confidence that he can do any better, since I suspect you're his second plant here.

In fact, just like the "Not this MAPS" people and other Ed supporters, you never post in other threads about civic development or interests. What evidence do we have that any of you care about anything in OKC other than trying to convince people to vote for Ed in a fairly unconvincing fashion?

ciao, so sick of whiny chamber people.

Recruiting businesses and jobs in this international marketplace isn't the same as it used to be. They're not going to come here because we have a fantastic United Methodist community. They're going to come here because OKC is going to supply them the workforce they need to accomplish their goals and because OKC offers a more competitive set of subsidies than all other competitors. The Chamber works closely with state and city officials to recruit those businesses, which in turn create the jobs you can ride the bus *"in dignity" to.

This is a big bone of contention I have with you and from what I've seen a lot of the politically disaffected types. You don't really understand very much about city government or how things really work. You're content just to screw it up for everyone else because you don't think it has served you very well. It serves you well, you're just too small-minded to see how. Even if you're unemployed, you benefit from all of these jobs and the tax dollars provided by them. What do you think funds MAPS projects once they're built?--An expanded tax base. It's worked before and it'll work again.

I mean what... do you think a major employer is going to select OKC because we have the awesomest bus shelters? A huge police presence everywhere? Do you think potential employers care about ANY of the bugaboos Shadid's supporters have cited?

*- I'm parodying one of Shadid's political talking points, I don't mean to belittle anyone who has to rely on public transit to make a living.

IT was not at all "stupid" nor was it just part of "tea party" paranoia. You might study a bit on the origins of the anti-Sharia laws before you exhibit your own variety of bigotry and intolerance for blasting those who supported it as "stupid" and "lowering the intelligence." I'm not going to derail this thread any further with this as it has nothing to do with the Shady campaign, but I thoroughly supported the question and would vote for it again were I given the opportunity. If that makes me "dumb" or "stupid" in the eyes of an Internet bulletin board poster, so be it, but my support for it wasn't because of "tea party paranoia."

It was ignorant and I'll advised to even offer it for vote. It was a tea party initiative country wide.

And yes, many would still vote for it because of their lack of real knowledge. They trip on too many sound bites and simple answers to complex issues.

ciao, so sick of whiny chamber people.

Do you really not understand that businesses are employers? Would you prefer they all left? That way we could all be unemployed in our glorious chamber-free city.

Pretty sure Ed grew up in OKC, loves the place and wants to make it better for all it's citizens.
Wanting and being able to are two way different things. I would love to play center for the Thunder.....but I am about a foot short, and 30 years too old.

DisaffectED.

Edgar, you haven't answered my question, so I will post it again:

What are Ed's plans? What does he want to accomplish and how is he going to accomplish it? Mick has a track record of accomplishments, Ed does not. And no, I do not consider "transparency in government" an accomplishment. He wants to hire more police and firefighters? Where is the money going to come from? He is going to focus more on neighborhoods and not downtown? What is he going to do and where is the money going to come from?

And again, I don't consider " Returning city governanace to the people and being mayor of all OKC" to be an acceptable answer.

Edgar, you haven't answered my question, so I will post it again:

What are Ed's plans? What does he want to accomplish and how is he going to accomplish it? Mick has a track record of accomplishments, Ed does not. And no, I do not consider "transparency in government" an accomplishment. He wants to hire more police and firefighters? Where is the money going to come from? He is going to focus more on neighborhoods and not downtown? What is he going to do and where is the money going to come from?

And again, I don't consider " Returning city governanace to the people and being mayor of all OKC" to be an acceptable answer.

One of Shadid's major campaign objectives will be to sew the seeds of discord between the haves and have-nots. Edgar, who I think is a real person because he was posting here long before the Shadid campaign was even a possibility, clearly believes himself to be in the "have-not" camp. He's right there with our recent past opposition candidate, that Taco Bell employee who ran with the same police/fire/far left/far right/disaffected/weirdo coalition. One of the common themes I see is a lack of real understanding as to how municipal government actually works, what with the City Manager and whatnot. Another theme I see is that all of those groups know better than the voters how to spend the MAPS tax. Police and fire would see that money used to augment their departments. The far left would build bus shelters and expand the bus system (without an eye on the long-term needs of the transit system and the long-term needs of our developing downtown and midtown communities). The far right would either build chapels all over the city or simply try to privatize everything.

Let's say those constituencies band together and "win" a mayor race. How on Earth does Shadid, still only carrying a minority of the Council placate all of those factions? Hint: Transparency is the opposite of what you'd need to close that Pandora's Box.

Shadid's Twitter account is complaining about Mayoral appointments and missing emails about said appointments. Not really sure what he's getting at...

If he just wants a list of all the appointees, he can check each City Council memo for the past 8 years.

If he thinks there was corruption, he could have brought it up a long time ago since Council approvals all (I think) appointees. Grasping at straws?

Grasping at straws?

Describes his entire campaign

Recruiting businesses and jobs in this international marketplace isn't the same as it used to be. They're not going to come here because we have a fantastic United Methodist community. They're going to come here because OKC is going to supply them the workforce they need to accomplish their goals and because OKC offers a more competitive set of subsidies than all other competitors. The Chamber works closely with state and city officials to recruit those businesses, which in turn create the jobs you can ride the bus *"in dignity" to.

This is a big bone of contention I have with you and from what I've seen a lot of the politically disaffected types. You don't really understand very much about city government or how things really work. You're content just to screw it up for everyone else because you don't think it has served you very well. It serves you well, you're just too small-minded to see how. Even if you're unemployed, you benefit from all of these jobs and the tax dollars provided by them. What do you think funds MAPS projects once they're built?--An expanded tax base. It's worked before and it'll work again.

I mean what... do you think a major employer is going to select OKC because we have the awesomest bus shelters? A huge police presence everywhere? Do you think potential employers care about ANY of the bugaboos Shadid's supporters have cited?

*- I'm parodying one of Shadid's political talking points, I don't mean to belittle anyone who has to rely on public transit to make a living.

Think there are a lot of people worn slick by the extortionists and find Shadid appealing. Perhaps we'd appreciate those sacred job creators better if they weren't always telling us how wonderful they are with a hand out. The cc will produce millions in annual operating deficits once built, as does the Canadian River cruises and apparently also the street car project because MAPSIII a slapdash not ready for prime time log roll that didn't come with a dedicated funding source. What happens when a few plutocrats get together behind doors and seek no input. Does momentum mean green lighting any project no matter?

Absolutely. He would be a total disaster for this city. And frankly, OKC is about the only thing Oklahoma has going for it right now. Norman is stagnating. I've never really cottoned to Tulsa overall. And the state's political climate is suffocating and backward.

OKC is what keeps me here, and what will ultimately move this state into the 21st Century, that is unless someone like Shadid screws up a good thing.

No more MAPS? No more city-wide improvements? Constant bickering and zero positive results? No, I don't want that, and if OKC tanks, I'm taking my family out of Dodge and moving to greener pastures.

Pick whatever antonym you like for stagnating and that's whats happening in Norman. Not green lighting every project regardless how ill conceived or inappropriate for the area, or wanting to protect Lake Thunderbird from toxic blooms doesn't constitute stagnation.

One of Shadid's major campaign objectives will be to sew the seeds of discord between the haves and have-nots. Edgar, who I think is a real person because he was posting here long before the Shadid campaign was even a possibility, clearly believes himself to be in the "have-not" camp. He's right there with our recent past opposition candidate, that Taco Bell employee who ran with the same police/fire/far left/far right/disaffected/weirdo coalition. One of the common themes I see is a lack of real understanding as to how municipal government actually works, what with the City Manager and whatnot. Another theme I see is that all of those groups know better than the voters how to spend the MAPS tax. Police and fire would see that money used to augment their departments. The far left would build bus shelters and expand the bus system (without an eye on the long-term needs of the transit system and the long-term needs of our developing downtown and midtown communities). The far right would either build chapels all over the city or simply try to privatize everything.

Let's say those constituencies band together and "win" a mayor race. How on Earth does Shadid, still only carrying a minority of the Council placate all of those factions? Hint: Transparency is the opposite of what you'd need to close that Pandora's Box.

If by haves you mean the 1%ers who were given carte blanche to raze cherished institutions. Some on the shoe were aghast but the Doctor was right to tap the brake on Aubrey's megalomania and point out the guy was in serious trouble with his company.
Got to like Shadid's chances since Mick barely beat the pot smoking taco bell guy who didn't campaign.

Taco Bell guy did campaign. Cornett is the one who didn't lift a finger.

Shadid's Twitter account is complaining about Mayoral appointments and missing emails about said appointments. Not really sure what he's getting at...

If he just wants a list of all the appointees, he can check each City Council memo for the past 8 years.

If he thinks there was corruption, he could have brought it up a long time ago since Council approvals all (I think) appointees. Grasping at straws?

To use an analogy from My Cousin Vinny..

He is trying to build a brick house of a case against Cornett. He is trying to show you that all the bricks are square, the right color, stacked correctly to make a nice brick wall.

But the cards are paper thin, they have no depth or context and are there to mislead people who will say "Wow, that's a nice wall" but won't take the time to look at the wall from the side and to see how flimsy and thin his case against Cornett is.

Think there are a lot of people worn slick by the extortionists and find Shadid appealing. Perhaps we'd appreciate those sacred job creators better if they weren't always telling us how wonderful they are with a hand out. The cc will produce millions in annual operating deficits once built, as does the Canadian River cruises and apparently also the street car project because MAPSIII a slapdash not ready for prime time log roll that didn't come with a dedicated funding source. What happens when a few plutocrats get together behind doors and seek no input. Does momentum mean green lighting any project no matter?

Here we go again... You still haven't answered any question about how Ed will be better than Mick.

And the MAPS Projects have all been green lighted...4 years ago.

Here we go again... You still haven't answered any question about how Ed will be better than Mick.

And the MAPS Projects have all been green lighted...4 years ago.

He, Ed, and James Greiner have no concept of the fact that the public voted for a streetcar, and we will damn sure be getting one. As long as we keep these people away from the power.

Edgar, you keep spitting out the old, tired rhetoric and you haven't answered my or several other people's questions of what Ed is going to do as Mayor and how he is going to do it. Why is that? Do you not know? Does he know?

If by haves you mean the 1%ers who were given carte blanche to raze cherished institutions. Some on the shoe were aghast but the Doctor was right to tap the brake on Aubrey's megalomania and point out the guy was in serious trouble with his company.
Got to like Shadid's chances since Mick barely beat the pot smoking taco bell guy who didn't campaign.

What the hell are you talking about? What cherished institutions did Aubrey raze? One Chopt Square? A few homes? And when did Ed say that CHK and Aubrey were in trouble that no one else knew about? Most people on this board were aware that the company was highly leveraged and over staffed. What's your point?

Don't feed, don't engage, don't make eye contact.

If by haves you mean the 1%ers who were given carte blanche to raze cherished institutions. Some on the shoe were aghast but the Doctor was right to tap the brake on Aubrey's megalomania and point out the guy was in serious trouble with his company.

Specifically what are you talking about?


Got to like Shadid's chances since Mick barely beat the pot smoking taco bell guy who didn't campaign.

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I hate revisionist history.

What the hell are you talking about? What cherished institutions did Aubrey raze? One Chopt Square? A few homes? And when did Ed say that CHK and Aubrey were in trouble that no one else knew about? Most people on this board were aware that the company was highly leveraged and over staffed. What's your point?

Aubrey bought the old Junior League building to raze..... but the kicker is, he gave them enough money to build a new building just around the corner, plus a qtr million in the bank... They were happy to sell.

Aubrey bought the old Junior League building to raze..... but the kicker is, he gave them enough money to build a new building just around the corner, plus a qtr million in the bank... They were happy to sell.

Those damned barons!

Those damned barons!

Elitists...