Whoever runs his twitter (Andrew Speno is Steve is correct) just does nothing but posts links to articles about popular urban and neighborhood topics. Absolutely zero about how Ed plans to implement those ideas or thoughts, or what kind of track record he has in those areas. Pretty empty IMO

Even krisb has seemed to disappear....? after Ed's rookie power play on the street car vote.

He's proven he would not be a good mayor so far, and I'm really concerned that he's created so much friction that he's no longer effective on the council.

Whoever runs his twitter (Andrew Speno is Steve is correct) just does nothing but posts links to articles about popular urban and neighborhood topics. Absolutely zero about how Ed plans to implement those ideas or thoughts, or what kind of track record he has in those areas. Pretty empty IMO

Here's a guide: if it's urban planning, transit or urban core, it's probably Ed. If the tweet shows a big interest in sports, television or is overtly and crassly sarcastic... well, even those on this board who most dislike Ed can probably explain that one for you. FYI: many candidates employ people to help them on social media.

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Steve: It's good to see you back posting on at least a semi-regular basis.

FYI: many candidates employ people to help them on social media.

No doubt, I'm more than familiar with how that world works. Thanks for chiming in.

Limited. There are still a couple of people on this board for whom I have no respect, who have continuously stooped to personal attacks, and because of them I'll only post these kinds of posts. I greatly respect Pete, folks like you Mayo.

Limited. There are still a couple of people on this board for whom I have no respect, who have continuously stooped to personal attacks, and because of them I'll only post these kinds of posts. I greatly respect Pete, folks like you Mayo.

Always great to see you on here Steve. Looking forward to the chat tomorrow.

Join Mick’s Neighborhood Steering Committee?

How about - Join Mick’s Subdivision and Neighborhood Steering Committee? Just saying....

Does my subdivision not count as a neighborhood?

Join Mick’s Neighborhood Steering Committee?

How about - Join Mick’s Subdivision and Neighborhood Steering Committee? Just saying....

That sounds very shadidian. Did krisb get to you?

Does my subdivision not count as a neighborhood?

No. A single-use residential pod is not a neighborhood. Not being an OKC resident I don't post in this thread often, I just want the terminology the politicians are using to be correct - especially when both candidates are pushing traditional neighborhood development as part of their agenda.

That sounds very shadidian. Did krisb get to you?

It's Mick Cornett though, shouldn't it say "Downtown" only steering committee or the screw neighborhoods committee? I can't believe anyone that lives in a "neighborhood" would want to support a mayor that doesn't give a crap about "neighborhoods."

That sounds very shadidian. Did krisb get to you?

LOL - As you know, I march to my own drum and sometimes I march alone, and that's OK.

No. A single-use residential pod is not a neighborhood. Not being an OKC resident I don't post in this thread often, I just want the terminology the politicians are using to be correct - especially when both candidates are pushing traditional neighborhood development as part of their agenda.

You can have your fancy urbanist semantics and it's definitions, and I'll stick with logic and common sense. I bet no one cares but yourself.

I was in today's announcement :)

i was in Wednesday's

I was in today's announcement :)

Me too.

I was in the first round, clearly I am more important :D

No. A single-use residential pod is not a neighborhood. Not being an OKC resident I don't post in this thread often, I just want the terminology the politicians are using to be correct - especially when both candidates are pushing traditional neighborhood development as part of their agenda.So a concrete jungle counts as neighborhood? Hey, sorry about that, it kind of rude to call your neighborhood a concrete jungle as it is rude to say I don't live in a neighborhood. I live in a great neighborhood here in Asheforde Oaks, just as much as Sid lives in a great neighborhood in Deep Deuce. JTF, you're wrong.

I was in the first round, clearly I am more important :D

Second!

I was in the first round, clearly I am more important :D

I am always a day late, dollar short but I am in. My daddy always taught me to dance with the one that brought you.

So a concrete jungle counts as neighborhood? Hey, sorry about that, it kind of rude to call your neighborhood a concrete jungle as it is rude to say I don't live in a neighborhood. I live in a great neighborhood here in Asheforde Oaks, just as much as Sid lives in a great neighborhood in Deep Deuce. JTF, you're wrong.

It's probably not a big deal. You should take what Kerry says with a grain of salt. He lives in some 'burb of JAX and drives his car all over the place. It's not like he actually practices what he preaches/shoves down everyone's throat.

Whoever runs his twitter (Andrew Speno is Steve is correct) just does nothing but posts links to articles about popular urban and neighborhood topics. Absolutely zero about how Ed plans to implement those ideas or thoughts, or what kind of track record he has in those areas. Pretty empty IMO

Has anyone seen him at a Thunder game? I'm getting really tired of his (or Andrew Speno's) lame Thunder tweets.

Does anyone think he would have supported the MAPS for arena improvement? We know he didn't vote, and David Glover was vociferously anti-arena.

Has anyone seen him at a Thunder game? I'm getting really tired of his (or Andrew Speno's) lame Thunder tweets.

Does anyone think he would have supported the MAPS for arena improvement? We know he didn't vote, and David Glover was vociferously anti-arena.

I don't know who this person is or what he even looks like. But popping off against the Thunder is an uphill battle, so evidently not very bright.

If someone has a twitter account but has others do the tweets most or all the time, it seems as if the account owner is only half into twitter.
Would it be wrong to consider such a limited participant a twit?

It's probably not a big deal. You should take what Kerry says with a grain of salt. He lives in some 'burb of JAX and drives his car all over the place. It's not like he actually practices what he preaches/shoves down everyone's throat.Wow, I just figured he lived in an urban environment. . . go figure right? :)

if someone has a twitter account but has others do the tweets most or all the time, it seems as if the account owner is only half into twitter.
Would it be wrong to consider such a limited participant a twit?

lol

I don't know who this person is or what he even looks like. But popping off against the Thunder is an uphill battle, so evidently not very bright.

Oh, he's not popping off against the Thunder. He's just tweeting things an 8 year old Thunder fan might and using Thunder-related hash tags. I figure its part of his plan to appeal to young voters. But 8 year olds don't vote. And I'm wondering if he cared about the team until it seemed politically expedient to do so. Whereas Mayor Cornett, who is absolutely one of the reasons we have a team, tweets like the regular game attendee and fan that he clearly is.

It's tough to fake sincerity. Doesn't deter too many from giving it a go.

Wow, I just figured he lived in an urban environment. . . go figure right? :)

Not all of us are doing what we want, but that doesn't stop us from telling others about the value we see in our dreams. Sometimes we are constrained by our history from achieving our future. JTF still makes many valid points. We shouldn't necessarily get in line with him and sing kumbayah, but appreciate his song for what it's worth.

Not all of us are doing what we want, but that doesn't stop us from telling others about the value we see in our dreams. Sometimes we are constrained by our history from achieving our future. JTF still makes many valid points. We shouldn't necessarily get in line with him and sing kumbayah, but appreciate his song for what it's worth.

Many people appreciate his views, including myself. It just gets very annoying hearing the same thing. We get it, Suburbs and cars are bad. I'm just pointing out that his opinion my have a little more weight if he actually practiced what he preaches.

Not all of us are doing what we want, but that doesn't stop us from telling others about the value we see in our dreams. Sometimes we are constrained by our history from achieving our future. JTF still makes many valid points. We shouldn't necessarily get in line with him and sing kumbayah, but appreciate his song for what it's worth.If you're not doing what you want, that is your problem, not mine. Life is too short to sit there and claim how bad the suburbs are and be so finicky about things, and not even follow what you preach. I was almost certain JTF lived in an urban environment and seriously??????

whenever a stoplight is built. . .lets complain that round-a-bouts are gods gift to earth and we should be using them. . . whenever a highway is approved lets use induced demand and complain it's stupid to build that highway and we could be saving money if everyone lived right next to each other in urban housing. . . cars don't represent freedom. . . mass transit needs more money. i mean it never freakin ends man, and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything that I posted. but it is so ironic that this guy always complains about how bad things are when they aren't right up against the strew(even complained about the Devon Tower), and you live in the suburbs. . . its like an Atheist living in the Vatican City working for the Pope.

I'm not perfect and I am a hypocrite at times, but JTF takes it to a new level... and saying that the area in which I live(Asheforde Oaks) is not a neighborhood and somehow Deep Deuce is, yeah. . . I'm going to call him out on it.

Now, that being said, I think JTF is probably a very nice guy and he even offered to show me some small town in Florida awhile back, and I would gladly take him up on it. I don't appreciate or disregard what he says, but I probably only agree with maybe 1% of anything he has posted. I have no beef with the guy and I think his heart is in the right place and he means good... I just couldn't disagree with him more on many subjects. But thats fine, no one here has to agree nor disagree with anyone else here, that is why we have brains to think for ourselves and believe in what we think is right, and I respect that.

Well, JTF is married...so it's really not up to him :lol2:

Even krisb has seemed to disappear....? after Ed's rookie power play on the street car vote.

He's proven he would not be a good mayor so far, and I'm really concerned that he's created so much friction that he's no longer effective on the council.

Like Steve, I am distancing myself from this forum a bit. I am more supportive and involved in Ed's campaign than I have ever been.

Like Steve, I am distancing myself from this forum a bit. I am more supportive and involved in Ed's campaign than I have ever been.

As much as I disagree with Ed Shadid, krisb, I appreciate your commitment to your candidate.

Man, trying so hard to remain polite here. I've written and erased about three different responses as "too rude" so far.

I will say this, Ed is working the hell outta Twitter (or Andrew Speno). I follow him under the premise of "know your enemy" but it's an active account, and many people are easily duped.

He's using Twitter to share ideas and best practices and to promote his platform and campaign. What else would you expect?

He's using Twitter to share ideas and best practices and to promote his platform and campaign. What else would you expect?

What "best practices" does he recommend? Blowing up MAPS votes?

Mick is going to win this race because the chamber of commerce and Ackerman McQueen are on his side. I have yet to see a mayoral candidate lose in this town when they had the chamber on their side. Ackerman McQueen has just about every major employer on their client list so I am sure those employers will be reminding their people to get out and vote for Mick.

I do know Ed did earn the police union vote. I was talking to an officer last week and he charmed the pants off the police union. Doing and saying what he promised the police union are two separate things. After all you have to have money to give the police department most of things they are wanting and that will likely require the promise and the passing a permeant city wide sales tax for public safety. I don't why OKC doesn't just hold election to round it to an even 10% on sales tax. They could expand the police and fire departments to match the manpower and response time of the competing suburban cities and implement ambulance service as a city service instead of a contract agreement with EMSA. I think MWC is going to be the first city successfully implement a city run ambulance service through the fire department. Rumor has it that CHS does not want to run ambulance service if and when they take over Midwest Regional.

He's using Twitter to share ideas and best practices and to promote his platform and campaign. What else would you expect?

Exactly that krisb, I'm actually giving your team "props" for that.

Although I wouldn't be so bold to call all that he tweets "his" platform. A lot of it is stuff that is just articles or stuff that I don't think Cornett opposes.

I do know Ed did earn the police union vote.

I think he also got an endorsement from the union that supports Fire fighters.

What "best practices" does he recommend? Blowing up MAPS votes?

Probably taking pictures with the 'pe*is and vag*na shirt' kids.

Probably taking pictures with the 'pe*is and vag*na shirt' kids.

Great idea there, Ed. Did he tweet that pic?

Great idea there, Ed. Did he tweet that pic?

Post # 1129 said they did then were deleted.

Just so I understand, why were the children wearing shirts saying Pen-s and Vagi-a?

He's using Twitter to share ideas and best practices and to promote his platform and campaign. What else would you expect?

I too could search the Internet for stories and tweet the links. He throws in stories from the Gazette and some weird random Thunder stuff too (Is he a season ticket holder or regular game attendee because I looked back at his tweets all last year and there was not one on the Thunder). Tell Speno his Thunder tweets are cheesy and unconvincing, especially considering how hard David Glover worked against the MAPS arena. No original ideas that I've seen either.

Ed's coalition is super odd. How Ed can be so pro-Thunder but have David Glover heavily involved is strange. Ed's people are the same ones who fought tooth and nail against the arena vote, they want to kill MAPs yet they seem to like the end results of all this stuff (the Thunder). I just don't get it.

Ed's coalition is super odd. How Ed can be so pro-Thunder but have David Glover heavily involved is strange. Ed's people are the same ones who fought tooth and nail against the arena vote, they want to kill MAPs yet they seem to like the end results of all this stuff (the Thunder). I just don't get it.

What's hard to understand. If that campaign can capture most all of the anti-maps sentiment generated in the past, then the campaign basically needs a few dewey eyed moon calves swept up in charisma, a few why does DT get everything (it doesn't but that's not their mindset) folk, a few I don't like big money controlling my city folk (ignoring that the candidate isn't joe everyman, see charisma above) and some other my issue fits that group better than the existing politico group, e.g., a combined decent size chunk of the low hanging fruit off the voter tree, and there's a horse race on, especially if there is a fair sized segment of don't normally bother to vote, but this guy's different charisma voters..

Anyone discounting the challenger's campaign at this point is doing so at the peril of the incumbent, and more importantly (at least in the mind of this outsider) to the peril of the progress made since Norick took a stand for the city. People are mad at government on many levels, and the low hanging fruit and first time voters can have a habit of taking it out on the first establishment target available.

This challenger's campaign isn't that of a ticked off fast food employee. It has, and will continue, to capture the hearts and minds of a lot of folks. The incumbent needs to run his race like he is running against someone formidable. I believe he is, and I do not believe the streetcar vote has crippled the challenger in any significant manner.

*just the ramblings of a non city observer, heed, discount or ignore as you may desire.

He did get the FOP endorsement but I am aware of a ton of officers that are not a fan and will be voting for Mick... My wife being one of them!

What's hard to understand. If that campaign can capture most all of the anti-maps sentiment generated in the past, then the campaign basically needs a few dewey eyed moon calves swept up in charisma, a few why does DT get everything (it doesn't but that's not their mindset) folk, a few I don't like big money controlling my city folk (ignoring that the candidate isn't joe everyman, see charisma above) and some other my issue fits that group better than the existing politico group, e.g., a combined decent size chunk of the low hanging fruit off the voter tree, and there's a horse race on, especially if there is a fair sized segment of don't normally bother to vote, but this guy's different charisma voters..

Anyone discounting the challenger's campaign at this point is doing so at the peril of the incumbent, and more importantly (at least in the mind of this outsider) to the peril of the progress made since Norick took a stand for the city. People are mad at government on many levels, and the low hanging fruit and first time voters can have a habit of taking it out on the first establishment target available.

This challenger's campaign isn't that of a ticked off fast food employee. It has, and will continue, to capture the hearts and minds of a lot of folks. The incumbent needs to run his race like he is running against someone formidable. I believe he is, and I do not believe the streetcar vote has crippled the challenger in any significant manner.
*just the ramblings of a non city observer, heed, discount or ignore as you may desire.If by charisma you mean actually cares about the concerns of actual ave citizens, and actually listens

Edgar, what is one instance of Shadid getting input from citizens and then finding away to implement those changes to city government?

It's always easy for rabble-rousers and community activists to find drones to support them. Running against stuff is an easy way to get signatures, but a lousy way to get elected. Folks petition AGAINST things, they vote FOR things.

Edgar, what is one instance of Shadid getting input from citizens and then finding away to implement those changes to city government?

Improving public transport. Mick once said everyone in OKC has at least one car and famously walked out of chambers rather than hear the pleas of disabled riders not to kill lines they depend on, and to not begin charging for transfers, all falling on deaf ears of course. OKC spent stim$ intended to improve public transport on those stupid Canadian River cruises, say no more.

Improving public transport. Mick once said everyone in OKC has at least one car and famously walked out of chambers rather than hear the pleas of disabled riders not to kill lines they depend on, and to not begin charging for transfers, all falling on deaf ears of course. OKC spent stim$ intended to improve public transport on those stupid Canadian River cruises, say no more.

From FAQ-

'In July of 2007, Devon Energy purchased naming rights for the Oklahoma River Transit System, Oklahoma River Cruises, for $2 Million. The funds were used to acquire the three river cruisers and place them into service.'

Not saying additional grants or city money wasn't involved, but Devon paid a fair chunk of change for these boats.

Edgar, are you mad because Tulsa doesn't have river cruisers ?

Not to offend those who depend on bus service, but nicer bus stops don't make a city a top flight. So far that's all I know Ed has championed. I know what Mick has done. Ed's got a long way to go.

Not to offend those who depend on bus service, but nicer bus stops don't make a city a top flight. So far that's all I know Ed has championed. I know what Mick has done. Ed's got a long way to go.

Mick has helped build mountains, Ed is trying to tear them down. If people are so naive to believe otherwise, then it's on them.

OKC spent stim$ intended to improve public transport on those stupid Canadian River cruises, say no more.

Remember this whole conversation?


Norman and Tulsa bought clean new cng rides with the same stim $.


link? the riverboats were a federal tiger grant if i recall correctly ..... OKC has gotten federal money for transit and for buses several times in the last 10 years


$1.8 Million in Stimulus Funds for Oklahoma River Cruises - WNOW HTML Title Tag - Online Testing (http://wnow.worldnow.com/story/11394981/18-million-in-stimulus-funds-for-oklahoma-river-cruises)


From the article, it looks like the decision to spend the money on the river boat cruises was COPTA's decision, not the Mayor's. "First, COTPA decided it wanted to use federal stimulus money for the maintenance."

"Next, COTPA had to go before ACOG, the Association of Central Oklahoma Governments for approval. The policy board at ACOG, made up of local government officials, had to give it the OK." Mayor Mick Cornett is not on that policy Board.

Finally, not sure if you saw this at the very bottom:

"Scroggins also pointed out, the FTA money for the ferry service is designated for ferry services in the United States. So, if it didn't go to Oklahoma, it would've gone to another state, instead."


ACOG requested the money, the Feds approved it....has ZERO to do with Mayor Mick Cornett.

Get it straight before you post, this kind of posting makes you look like an idiot.


The point is you provided a link to an article when asked to and it did not prove your point, it in fact proved you wrong. The Mayor had nothing to do with that decision. If you are going to blame anyone, blame COPTA.


never said Mick made the call on the river cruises boondoggle just that it epitomized the intereset of those calling the shots in OKC. Progressive towns Tulsa and Norman applied for stim funds to improve actual transportation not someone's fantasy.

It is page 30 and 31 of this thread if you need a refresher: http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic-issues/34251-okc-mayor-race-2014-a-30.html

I believe the phrase the young folks use is "owned"?

If by charisma you mean actually cares about the concerns of actual ave citizens, and actually listens

Nope, by charisma, I mean it in its normal everyday use. I fail to grasp the frequently seen on this board practice of folks wanting to define words away from their everyday meanings. It's so unnecessary.

One can ooze charisma from every pore and and have great ideas,
or ooze it and have really cruddy ideas,
or ooze it and have downright dangerous ideas,
or even no original ideas at all, only platitudes and sound bites.

Sheesh, if you disagree, then disagree. No need to redefine the term completely.

As I said, if that campaign can capture most aginners and low level thinkers, that's a fair segment of the available votes and more than the beginning of a horse race.
My point was the challenger doesn't need to covert an army of voters to his way of thinking. He needs a small percentage of true believers to help bring out the aginners.

If he was someone that was clearly setting out innovative ideas that made folks slap their foreheads and wonder how they didn't ever see it before, he'd be a favorite to win.
I don't see that from the candidate or his followers as yet, and likely won't, but from the outside looking in, I see enough to know it would be a major mistake for the incumbent to not prep and run a full out campaign. To do otherwise would be to Romney their race.