It is hard to imagine how Ed would handle the national stage. The same way he has handled the local stage?

Second that. I personally don't think he could handle the national stage too well.

Maybe I missed this on another thread, but I heard from a city employee today that Ed really ticked off councilman Pettis after Ed slithered around the black community by going to some black pastors and pointing out to them there was some racism involved by not having any African Americans on I think the transit committee? The details were sketchy at best, so take this with a grain of salt, I was just curious if anyone was at the city council meeting where I think some things were said about it. My contact's point in telling me the story was that Ed did not have the decency speak with Pettis about this matter beforehand, he just slithered around his ward instigating controversy. My initial reaction was I found this hard to believe???

I've heard something very similar to that also. The racial composition of the streetcar subcommittee was brought up by Councilman Shadid and received the desired response from some in attendance. But any insinuation of wrongdoing or purposeful exclusion of individuals based on race was quickly and effectively refuted. As was mentioned previously, everything including the kitchen sink was thrown out in his misguidEd attempt to derail progress on this project. Thankfully for OKC, it failed and the true nature of a couple individuals was revealed. Watch the meeting on okc.gov if you have time. I think most people would arrive at a similar conclusion.

Second that. I personally don't think he could handle the national stage too well.

Maybe I missed this on another thread, but I heard from a city employee today that Ed really ticked off councilman Pettis after Ed slithered around the black community by going to some black pastors and pointing out to them there was some racism involved by not having any African Americans on I think the transit committee? The details were sketchy at best, so take this with a grain of salt, I was just curious if anyone was at the city council meeting where I think some things were said about it. My contact's point in telling me the story was that Ed did not have the decency speak with Pettis about this matter beforehand, he just slithered around his ward instigating controversy. My initial reaction was I found this hard to believe???

Hmm, that is VERY interesting.

There was a little blurb in the Journal Record regarding a real estate and club owner requesting a liquor license

The real estate company was owned by none other than Ed Shadid's uncle, and Ed actually recused himself from the meeting. Pettis supposedly ripped into both, at one point calling Shadid's uncle a "crappy" property owner for essentially being a slumlord for the shopping center off of NE 36th and Springlake. Their license was unanimously denied 8-0, which I honestly cannot remember that happening before. Now that I know what you have added, I can't help but to think these two things might be related. For the record, I am very familiar with both the club and shopping center in question, and both are terrible.

But yeah, Shadid is really pushing this whole Title VI of the Civil Rights act. As someone who is both African American and has deep ties to the northeast side, I was a bit taken aback at the suggestion that this process has racial undertones. At that point, I just kinda figured Shadid and his allies were throwing poop at the wall and seeing what would stick.

Well, we know for sure that if indeed some of the NE residents were mobilized (rather than coming on their own initiative which is, though highly improbable from what we know at this point, still very much possible) that it wasn't by the efforts of Pettis, because he voted "Yea" in spite of the fact that every person from his ward who spoke, spoke against the streetcar/proposed route.

I couldn't see Pettis, but is there any chance he looked visually perturbed at the meeting? I noticed his chair was not always turned facing straight, which I thought to be interesting "body language". If we were to assume that Pettis deduced the proposed scenario over the course of the meeting, and if we assumed that he was upset in someway by that fact over the course of the meeting, then I hope that Pettis voted "Yea" because he genuinely thought that was the right thing to do and not to "stick it to Ed" for antics that he pulled (perceived or real).

I hope we can keep sh*t-head politics out of OKC as we move forward.

Pettis has been the standup guy throughout this whole process. If I were to pick a junior councilman to support for mayor, it would be him, not Shadid. He's an honorable gentleman, has bent over backwards for his ward during his short tenure, and I suspect the story of what happened won't come from him. I wish him a long and distinguished political career. I think he has bigger transit plans for his ward than a route to the Health Sciences Center and his constituents need to be patient and trust that he has their interests at heart.

Well you guys beat me to some of it. At least Lucca did. There is even more to it than that. Since I'm not black and don't live in Ward 7, I wasn't exactly sure how to bring some of this stuff up or describe what is going on.

It is unprecedented for a Councillor in a different Ward to go into another Councillor's Ward and organize people against a project.

As I understand it, Ed met with black preachers in the area, convinced some of them that streetcar people were preventing mass transit and bus shelters in Ward 7 with the proposal on Tuesday, and then held an intervention with a blindsided Councilman Pettis.

Unprecedented behavior and a complete break from all past decorum. Ed is trying to stimulate a mayoral campaign based on class warfare among other things imhop. He tried to use Tuesday's vote as his muse.

This is simply a curiosity question. Do either Cornett or Shadid have siblings in the metro?

Shadid has a brother.

Hmm, that is VERY interesting.

There was a little blurb in the Journal Record regarding a real estate and club owner requesting a liquor license

The real estate company was owned by none other than Ed Shadid's uncle, and Ed actually recused himself from the meeting. Pettis supposedly ripped into both, at one point calling Shadid's uncle a "crappy" property owner for essentially being a slumlord for the shopping center off of NE 36th and Springlake. Their license was unanimously denied 8-0, which I honestly cannot remember that happening before. Now that I know what you have added, I can't help but to think these two things might be related. For the record, I am very familiar with both the club and shopping center in question, and both are terrible.

Which Council meeting was that?

Hmm, that is VERY interesting.

There was a little blurb in the Journal Record regarding a real estate and club owner requesting a liquor license

The real estate company was owned by none other than Ed Shadid's uncle, and Ed actually recused himself from the meeting. Pettis supposedly ripped into both, at one point calling Shadid's uncle a "crappy" property owner for essentially being a slumlord for the shopping center off of NE 36th and Springlake. Their license was unanimously denied 8-0, which I honestly cannot remember that happening before. Now that I know what you have added, I can't help but to think these two things might be related. For the record, I am very familiar with both the club and shopping center in question, and both are terrible.

But yeah, Shadid is really pushing this whole Title VI of the Civil Rights act. As someone who is both African American and has deep ties to the northeast side, I was a bit taken aback at the suggestion that this process has racial undertones. At that point, I just kinda figured Shadid and his allies were throwing poop at the wall and seeing what would stick.

Not to dispute your account of events but just trying to understand. The approval process for a liquor license is a function of the ABLE commission. Were they seeking a zoning variance? Does the City Council have that ability considering that the zoning requirements are a matter of state law?

Here's something to ponder. When the streetcar route vote was finally taken, initially there were six green and two red lights. I am pretty sure one of the green lights was Councilman White's and it remained illuminated for a few seconds. After a few seconds it changed to red. Is it possible he thought his "ally" might have voted yes and left him swinging in the wind? Maybe it is nothing, and it probably isn't a big deal. I need to watch the video to be sure I remembered the sequence of events correctly. At first I hoped one of the three had come to their senses, but I'll take 5-3.

Pete White definitely had his light green, and it was green for about 2 full seconds before he switched it to red. Not that I think it's related to anything, I don't know that it would be. But that event definitely took place.

Pete very clearly stated that he was voting against the route before the vote was taken.

Pete very clearly stated that he was voting against the route before the vote was taken.

Yes, he did, but you are naive. He was ensuring that Ed wouldn't stab him in the back like he has everyone else and suddenly vote for it. This ain't Pete's first rodeo.

Well you guys beat me to some of it. At least Lucca did. There is even more to it than that. Since I'm not black and don't live in Ward 7, I wasn't exactly sure how to bring some of this stuff up or describe what is going on.

It is unprecedented for a Councillor in a different Ward to go into another Councillor's Ward and organize people against a project.

As I understand it, Ed met with black preachers in the area, convinced some of them that streetcar people were preventing mass transit and bus shelters in Ward 7 with the proposal on Tuesday, and then held an intervention with a blindsided Councilman Pettis.

Unprecedented behavior and a complete break from all past decorum. Ed is trying to stimulate a mayoral campaign based on class warfare among other things imhop. He tried to use Tuesday's vote as his muse.

And he and Nick Singer arranged to bus them to the meeting in an OKC Public Schools bus. I think UP has the photos. It's pretty crazy. The people were plants.

But Pettis knew what went down, didn't even address the people, and voted for the streetcar. He must think Shadid is a total scumbag at this point. Pretty sure Ed did what he does best: blow up another bridge.

Not to dispute your account of events but just trying to understand. The approval process for a liquor license is a function of the ABLE commission. Were they seeking a zoning variance? Does the City Council have that ability considering that the zoning requirements are a matter of state law?

I was there. This did happen. You can probably watch it on the OKC.gov site or youtube.

And he and Nick Singer arranged to bus them to the meeting in an OKC Public Schools bus. I think UP has the photos. It's pretty crazy. The people were plants.

I can confirm UP's report. I was waiting outside of Council chambers for the streetcar item to come up on the agenda. Nick Singer was standing across the room, clearly texting and communicating with someone. At one point he left, and about that same time I went outside to make a phone call. I was standing on the steps of the building when Jeff came running up to me saying "you won't believe this". He then told me that he had just been waiting out front for someone to drop of a box of materials for the streetcar meeting when an Oklahoma City school bus pulled up and all of these people started filing out. He told me that one of them came up to him and asked if he was Nick with the Shadid campaign. He then showed me the photos of the school bus and the people getting off that he took with his iPhone. My jaw dropped. I've been involved in many City Council issues, both in Norman and Oklahoma City, and I've never seen anything quite like that.

As I understand it, Ed met with black preachers in the area, convinced some of them that streetcar people were preventing mass transit and bus shelters in Ward 7 with the proposal on Tuesday, and then held an intervention with a blindsided Councilman Pettis.

Unprecedented behavior and a complete break from all past decorum. Ed is trying to stimulate a mayoral campaign based on class warfare among other things imhop. He tried to use Tuesday's vote as his muse.

I can confirm this information as well. I was told the same thing by a trusted friend who is very good friends with Councilman Pettis and his father. Absolutely sleazy political behavior.

Most of the ministers that Ed met with didn't want to have anything to do with his efforts. The ones that turned out at the Council meeting with some of their members were the few that bought into Ed's delusions.

What shocked and angered me even more than knowing that Ed had secretly met with these people behind Councilman Pettis' back in order to try to get them to pressure him to join Ed's voting block against the streetcar was when Ed publicly played the race card during his ugly personal attacks against Jeff. Quite clearly, Ed was so desperate to find a way to secure the last vote he needed for a 4-4 tie that would have killed the streetcar project, that he was willing to go so far as to recruit African American church leaders and residents of Ward 7 to come to City Council to speak against the streetcar, and then while they were sitting there in front of Councilman Pettis to make irresponsible, offensive, racially-charged accusations about the streetcar committee and the route selection process in hopes of forcing Councilman Pettis to vote against the streetcar. Absolutely disgusting behavior for an elected public official.

If anything clearly demonstrates that Ed Shadid has no business being Mayor, this is it. After witnessing all of that, he has no business being an elected official of any kind.

Pete very clearly stated that he was voting against the route before the vote was taken.

I just wonder if all the behind the scenes, ethically questionable politics by his "partner" finally got to him and he hesitated on his vote.

If you think you have all the answers, you don't respect the voters and have disdain for a democratic political process, you may think the end justifies the means. But that attitude scares me in anyone, more so in a civic leader.

is that why sidewalks were included in the Roads proposition, where road widening projects happen, sidewalks are to be included (rather than a stand alone proposition)? Yes, that is why.

Not to dispute your account of events but just trying to understand. The approval process for a liquor license is a function of the ABLE commission. Were they seeking a zoning variance? Does the City Council have that ability considering that the zoning requirements are a matter of state law?

Yes, it was zoning related, not license related. All alcohol uses (except for a small area in downtown) must go through Planning Commission and City Council for approval.

So Shadid has been endorsed by the FOP and will put more police on the street. Has he mentioned how he will do this?

So Shadid has been endorsed by the FOP and will put more police on the street. Has he mentioned how he will do this?

Well, there's still a bunch of MAPS money floating around;)

If anything clearly demonstrates that Ed Shadid has no business being Mayor, this is it. After witnessing all of that, he has no business being an elected official of any kind.

The above comment pretty much sums it up!

UNBELIEVABLE series of events.

When ES and his minions showed up at my neighborhood gathering a few weeks back and I saw some neighbors wearing his t-shirt, I had some minor concerns his grass roots efforts in NW suburbia might be concerning to winning the election, but no more. With antics like he just pulled, he now stands zero chance. I can't wait to inform my blurry eyed neighbors about this, as I'm sure they have no idea. Maybe they will stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

In these areas I think he will use the public safety gambit saying crime is terrible in certain parts of OKC and soon it will be on your street. Fear of "those people" often resonates in suburbia and everyone likes more police officers right? At least that is what I would do if I wanted to run a negative campaign.

I heard he was at Rock Knoll neighborhood night out. I was hoping he'd show up at mine so I could have politely asked him to leave.

Not to dispute your account of events but just trying to understand. The approval process for a liquor license is a function of the ABLE commission. Were they seeking a zoning variance? Does the City Council have that ability considering that the zoning requirements are a matter of state law?

Yes, my apologies, it was a zoning variance.

Well you guys beat me to some of it. At least Lucca did. There is even more to it than that. Since I'm not black and don't live in Ward 7, I wasn't exactly sure how to bring some of this stuff up or describe what is going on.

It is unprecedented for a Councillor in a different Ward to go into another Councillor's Ward and organize people against a project.

As I understand it, Ed met with black preachers in the area, convinced some of them that streetcar people were preventing mass transit and bus shelters in Ward 7 with the proposal on Tuesday, and then held an intervention with a blindsided Councilman Pettis.

Unprecedented behavior and a complete break from all past decorum. Ed is trying to stimulate a mayoral campaign based on class warfare among other things imhop. He tried to use Tuesday's vote as his muse.

krisb - if you continue to support this scumbag shadid........then it's on you. You should know better. Don't be the slimeball Ed is by turning a blind eye to these crappy low class tactics.

I do think you're a nice guy, but for some reason you just don't get it.

krisb - go ahead and man up to Ed, then run like hell !! LOL

Not in defense of Candidate Shadid, but is everything being touted truly factual? I think it helps that candidate more than harms if things get overstated.
One example, church folks arriving on a school bus. was the bus something arranged by the candidate, or was it something arranged by someone, minister or otherwise, who bought the pitch the candidate was selling? And yes, there is a difference, at least to me.

Main reason I ask in regard that example is the report of folks just of the bus and approaching someone to ask are you from the campaign? That has as much a someone we know got us downtown and said look for the candidate's team as it says the candidate put that trip together.

Shills are often used in politics and elsewhere. While I am not in favor of shills, I do think it is useful to know who is shilling for whom. If others see it as a distinction without a difference, I can agree to disagree on that point.

All I saw was someone who works for Councilman Shadid in the lobby hovering near the door either on his cell phone or texting during the early meeting. It looked odd. I was watching because I thought maybe he was waiting for some big audio-visual presentation to bring in and I was curious as to what it was. Then I no longer saw him. A fairly large group of older people entered the council chambers all together prior to the discussion about the streetcar and many of them spoke against it. I believe the group got off the bus, which was a OKC Public School bus, and they first encountered Urban Pioneer. They asked him if he was that particular person on the cellphone. It's all circumstantial, of course. And not illegal. But slightly slimy.

I am more concerned about what Hutch reported, as I think that is even more ethically questionable. Again, not illegal. But there are things in this world that, while legal, are not ethical.

Here's what I know about the bus situation-

1. Nick Singer works for or is a major volunteer in the Ed Shadid Mayor Campaign.
2. He was on the phone nervously pacing around in the lobby of City Hall.
3. He then started to fill out slips for speaking before Council. I asked him who the stack of slips was for, and he said "For people who haven't arrived yet."
4. I then later went downstairs to meet the guy who was dropping off the printed materials for my presentation. While I was standing out there, a OKPS bus stopped in the middle of the street.
5. A large group of people got off of the bus. The first person to approach the curb saw me standing there and asked me "If I was Nick with Dr. Shadid's campaign."
6. I said no (and started laughing btw) and asked her what they were there for. She said "To protest against the streetcar!"
7. That's when realized that this seemed worth taking pictures of- so I started to take pictures with my iPhone.
8. I went inside and Nick was greeting them and escorting them into City Hall Chambers.
9. The fact that it was a OKPS bus freaked me out so I went upstairs to the press box and got the number for the PIO of OKPS from Kristy Yager, OKC's PIO.
10. The OKPS called me back, was perturbed, but stated that "City Church" had rented the bus.
11. Then the people spoke at council against the project.

I'd also note that some of the people who spoke weren't even OKC voters or residents.

I do not know the degree of formality of which Nick Singer is engaged by the campaign.

Here's what I know about the bus situation-
1. Nick Singer works for or is a major volunteer in the Ed Shadid Mayor Campaign.
2. He was on the phone nervously pacing around in the lobby of City Hall.
3. He then started to fill out slips for speaking before Council. I asked him who the stack of slips was for, and he said "For people who haven't arrived yet."


I can also confirm UP's statement regarding the speaking slips that were pre-prepared. I arrived at City Hall a little after 8:30am and the Council meeting had already started. The only persons in the hall outside of Council chambers were myself, Jeff and Nick Singer, and of course the security guards sitting at the front table. Everyone else was already seated inside for the Council meeting. I went to the security table and filled out a yellow speaking slip. On the corner of the table was a small stack of speaking slips that had already been filled out. I asked the security guard if that's where I was supposed to leave mine, and he said "no...those are for some people that aren't here yet". At that point, Jeff came up and said he would take mine and turn it in, and then he pointed at the stack on the corner and said those are for some of Ed's supporters. That was before either of us were aware of the school bus situation.

I just wonder if all the behind the scenes, ethically questionable politics by his "partner" finally got to him and he hesitated on his vote.

If you think you have all the answers, you don't respect the voters and have disdain for a democratic political process, you may think the end justifies the means. But that attitude scares me in anyone, more so in a civic leader.
So true. That is why, given the track record of Cornett in prior campaigns and what has been alleged and collaborated by others on this forum about Shadid, (among concerns about both candidates on other issues), I can not vote for either candidate.

"if you always vote for the lesser of two evils in game theory things just keep getting more evil." -- Penn Jillette (of Penn & Teller)

Is anyone else running at this point?



I can understand the passion of those that are intimately involved in the process and have had dealings with Shadid and rightfully seem betrayed. I too, fell betrayed but one other issues. However, I do find bewildering several statements made by others that a vote on this particular ROUTE somehow equates shutting down the Streetcar project altogether???

i also firmly agree with the point that Shadid was making in a previous Council meeting. That if the Mayor & Council had chosen to list each item as separate propositions (the legal council said that there was nothing prohibiting it), that the City would have been legally bound to build those projects. They couldn't divert funds from one project to another or even scrap a project completely.

So if anyone is upset with Shadid or anyone else for allegedly wanting to divert funds or scrap a project completely, your anger is misplaced. It should be directed at Cornett and the Council members at the time that chose to deliberately set up MAPS 3 the way they did. Some of us tried to warn you about it at the time but the standard response was "we can trust them". And I and others pointed out, Council members come and go. That it only takes a majority vote of the quorum present to take any action for/against your favorite project.

10. The OKPS called me back, was perturbed, but stated that "City Church" had rented the bus.

Well now that's very interesting. I'm not sure who City Church is, but a church paying for a city bus to send protesters to something which is not even remotely arguably an event concerning an expression of their faith would be pretty indefensible to the IRS.

Is anyone else running at this point?

I heard Joe Sarge Nelson saying he will be declaring soon. Should liven things up a bit.

Well now that's very interesting. I'm not sure who City Church is, but a church paying for a city bus to send protesters to something which is not even remotely arguably an event concerning an expression of their faith would be pretty indefensible to the IRS.

Is that the one on the NW corner of NW 10th and Robinson?

So true. That is why, given the track record of Cornett in prior campaigns and what has been alleged and collaborated by others on this forum about Shadid, (among concerns about both candidates on other issues), I can not vote for either candidate.


Is anyone else running at this point?



I can understand the passion of those that are intimately involved in the process and have had dealings with Shadid and rightfully seem betrayed. I too, fell betrayed but one other issues. However, I do find bewildering several statements made by others that a vote on this particular ROUTE somehow equates shutting down the Streetcar project altogether???

i also firmly agree with the point that Shadid was making in a previous Council meeting. That if the Mayor & Council had chosen to list each item as separate propositions (the legal council said that there was nothing prohibiting it), that the City would have been legally bound to build those projects. They couldn't divert funds from one project to another or even scrap a project completely.

So if anyone is upset with Shadid or anyone else for allegedly wanting to divert funds or scrap a project completely, your anger is misplaced. It should be directed at Cornett and the Council members at the time that chose to deliberately set up MAPS 3 the way they did. Some of us tried to warn you about it at the time but the standard response was "we can trust them". And I and others pointed out, Council members come and go. That it only takes a majority vote of the quorum present to take any action for/against your favorite project.

...OK, will all the perfect people, please throw your name in the hat? .... (crickets).

This race is a formality, that is all.

So if anyone is upset with Shadid or anyone else for allegedly wanting to divert funds or scrap a project completely, your anger is misplaced. It should be directed at Cornett and the Council members at the time that chose to deliberately set up MAPS 3 the way they did. Some of us tried to warn you about it at the time but the standard response was "we can trust them". And I and others pointed out, Council members come and go. That it only takes a majority vote of the quorum present to take any action for/against your favorite project.

So you think it is ok to commend the person trying to implement the very sabotage they have been previously been lauded for identifying?

I can understand the passion of those that are intimately involved in the process and have had dealings with Shadid and rightfully seem betrayed. I too, fell betrayed but one other issues. However, I do find bewildering several statements made by others that a vote on this particular ROUTE somehow equates shutting down the Streetcar project altogether???

It wasn't the route, this was the whole Streetcar. A "no" vote would have ended in a tie. It would have put Shadid in charge of where the route was going to go (at least in his mind). Doubtful he could get the other councilmen involved in anything he thought up... y'know, having been to a convention, read some stuff and become an expert overnight and such.


i also firmly agree with the point that Shadid was making in a previous Council meeting. That if the Mayor & Council had chosen to list each item as separate propositions (the legal council said that there was nothing prohibiting it), that the City would have been legally bound to build those projects. They couldn't divert funds from one project to another or even scrap a project completely.

You ignore what MAPS is and what the voters expect. While it's technically true that the Council can change anything they want to, doing so would tank the MAPS brand forever. We're the envy of so many cities. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.


So if anyone is upset with Shadid or anyone else for allegedly wanting to divert funds or scrap a project completely, your anger is misplaced. It should be directed at Cornett and the Council members at the time that chose to deliberately set up MAPS 3 the way they did. Some of us tried to warn you about it at the time but the standard response was "we can trust them". And I and others pointed out, Council members come and go. That it only takes a majority vote of the quorum present to take any action for/against your favorite project.

Well, we can trust them. Unless you live under a rock, you'd be aware that the good guys won despite dummy Greiner getting caught not having done his homework and Shadid and White trying to tank the MAPS brand. Screw those guys, but they lost.

It wasn't the route, this was the whole Streetcar. A "no" vote would have ended in a tie. It would have put Shadid in charge of where the route was going to go (at least in his mind). Doubtful he could get the other councilmen involved in anything he thought up... y'know, having been to a convention, read some stuff and become an expert overnight and such.

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That seems a bit overstated and somewhat inconsistent. A 4-4 vote kills the route, true.

But, then the committee picks a new route. It ends up before the council. Meg S. is not longer in a must abstain posture on a new route. Even if no one else changes their mind, a new route passes 5-4. Also, consider the new announcement on improved bus service that is now released. White now has less coverage to say the city needs to focus on buses not a streetcar. And, there is time for organizing folks in his ward to make their voices known he has streetcar supporters among his voters as well.

As for Candidate Shadid and the rep. from your ward, yeah, they dug their way in, they can let go of the flashlights, use both hands and crawl their way back out their own holes however works best for them.

That seems a bit overstated and somewhat inconsistent. A 4-4 vote kills the route, true.

But, then the committee picks a new route. It ends up before the council. Meg S. is not longer in a must abstain posture on a new route. Even if no one else changes their mind, a new route passes 5-4. Also, consider the new announcement on improved bus service that is now released. White now has less coverage to say the city needs to focus on buses not a streetcar. And, there is time for organizing folks in his ward to make their voices known he has streetcar supporters among his voters as well.

As for Candidate Shadid and the rep. from your ward, yeah, they dug their way in, they can let go of the flashlights, use both hands and crawl their way back out their own holes however works best for them.

Not quite. A second route wouldn't have been as easy to produce as you suggest. Midtowner is correct.

That seems a bit overstated and somewhat inconsistent. A 4-4 vote kills the route, true.

But, then the committee picks a new route. It ends up before the council. Meg S. is not longer in a must abstain posture on a new route. Even if no one else changes their mind, a new route passes 5-4. Also, consider the new announcement on improved bus service that is now released. White now has less coverage to say the city needs to focus on buses not a streetcar. And, there is time for organizing folks in his ward to make their voices known he has streetcar supporters among his voters as well.

As for Candidate Shadid and the rep. from your ward, yeah, they dug their way in, they can let go of the flashlights, use both hands and crawl their way back out their own holes however works best for them.

Kevin, just imagine the many, many ways if in court you could destroy anyone who offered the second proposal on cross.

Not quite. A second route wouldn't have been as easy to produce as you suggest. Midtowner is correct.

Several of the final proposals went through Automobile Alley. One, labeled the Hybrid, did not. It's actually already produced.
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/griffin/NEWS9/PDF/1212/PHA.pdf

Mick has some heavy hitters in his lineup...... Go Mick Go !

Just causally skimming the list and noticed my wife apparently signed up for our neighborhood.

This party is about to get Gateweird!

So you think it is ok to commend the person trying to implement the very sabotage they have been previously been lauded for identifying?
If I understand your question correctly, No. Even though I have agreed with my Councilman on many issues, and agree with many of the points he has raised recently, I can not support him for Mayor. I also can't support Cornett.

Larry, I feel certain that both candidates will greatly appreciate your reluctance to endorse their campaigns.

I was on the list Monday...looks like signing up early put me in a group where I need to carry some damn weight

Today's list of Neighborhood Committee members:Mick?s Neighborhood Steering Committee Keeps Growing and Growing : Mick Cornett for Mayor (http://mickcornett2014.com/2013/10/micks-neighborhood-steering-committee-keeps-growing-and-growing/)

I'm on this one. :woowoo:

Does anyone know if the Judy Greiner on that list has any connection to James?

Today's list of Neighborhood Committee members:Mick?s Neighborhood Steering Committee Keeps Growing and Growing : Mick Cornett for Mayor (http://mickcornett2014.com/2013/10/micks-neighborhood-steering-committee-keeps-growing-and-growing/)

I'm on this one. :woowoo:

Me too!

Larry, I feel certain that both candidates will greatly appreciate your reluctance to endorse their campaigns.

if thats the case maybe I should see who will pay me more to endorse the other guy...LOL

if thats the case maybe I should see who will pay me more to endorse the other guy...LOL

I do imagine this has happened from time to time, not meaning you specifically, just in general.

You can't make this stuff up:

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You can't make this stuff up:

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wow...

What is the earliest date I can cast a ballot? I will probably be out of the country in March but certainly want to participate in the election.

You can't make this stuff up:

http://www.theokie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/OKCED.jpg

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Ed is standing out in the crowd.

So when Ed says (and I am paraphrasing here) that Mick doesn't care about the neighborhoods, all he cares about is downtown, how does he explain the 2007 GO bond (streets, sidewalks, bridges, parks, police, fire and library projects for everywhere but downtown), the MAPS 3 portions that include sidewalks, running/biking trails and wellness centers and all the jobs that have been created due to the increase in the quality of life, not just downtown, but everywhere?

So when Ed says (and I am paraphrasing here) that Mick doesn't care about the neighborhoods, all he cares about is downtown, how does he explain the 2007 GO bond (streets, sidewalks, bridges, parks, police, fire and library projects for everywhere but downtown), the MAPS 3 portions that include sidewalks, running/biking trails and wellness centers and all the jobs that have been created due to the increase in the quality of life, not just downtown, but everywhere?

But, but, but.... STREETCAR!

But, but, but.... STREETCAR!

I am really hoping this is a Team America: World Police reference...

The Shadid campaign appears to be kind of inept. They kind of knocked it out of the park with their announcement, but I think they announced too early because since then, they really haven't done a very good job maintaining the momentum they created with that one event. Then there are these little moments displaying the ineptitude of the campaign, e.g., Shadid commenting on things on NewsOK, the above photo which will not play well with values voters, etc. Ed has kind of crapped on what got him where he's at--the local neighborhood activists and instead is now a pawn of the Not-this-MAPS folks who are still hurting from the thumping they received in that campaign.