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Information & Latest News
7/21/14: Design application submitted
6/18/13: Firehouse is set to become new home (http://newsok.com/firehouse-in-oklahoma-citys-deep-deuce-is-set-to-become-new-home/article/3853577)
5/29/13: $800,000 Building Permit (http://www.okc.gov/Access/Cap/CapDetail.aspx?Module=Permits&TabName=Permits&capID1=13BRE&capID2=00000&capID3=04639&agencyCode=OKC&IsToShowInspection=)
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That will be an impressive build. Hopefully it is approved and we see something nice come out of this. Will be interesting to see if it is just for him or he already has a buyer and plans lined up.

You don't build an 8 million dollar home in Deep Deuce on spec. I'm trying to figure out where they'll put the garages. On the front, I guess. It will be interesting to see if he has anything to say about Dr. Patel's hotel.

You don't build an 8 million dollar home in Deep Deuce on spec. I'm trying to figure out where they'll put the garages. On the front, I guess. It will be interesting to see if he has anything to say about Dr. Patel's hotel.

Watch this video. Don't be surprised is something like this is done for parking.

http://www.travelchannel.com/video/extreme-parking-roman-style

We sure this isn't an $800,000 permit?

There is just an astronomical difference between $178/sqft. and $1,780/sqft.

Thought it might be a typo as well but they usually don't make mistakes on dollar amounts.

And there is no way you can build a 4-story finished residence for $178 / sf.


I'm sure we'll be hearing more about this soon.

Thought it might be a typo as well but they usually don't make mistakes on dollar amounts.

And there is no way you can build a 4-story finished residence for $178 / sf.


I'm sure we'll be hearing more about this soon.

Neither one seems right, but if I had to put money on building a 4,500 square foot structure for one of those prices, it would be the lower one. I mean, otherwise this thing is going to have to be carpeted with tiger skins, roofed with diamonds, installed with gold plated sinks/toilets, and at supported by at least one piece from Stonehenge.

I'm gonna guess it should be $1.8M

Building permits only contain structural materials right? Labor and furnishings not included?

Pete - Ron Walters actually has a long history working on OCURA lands on the east side. He's a favorite of theirs because he's found a way to build homes and sell them out there.

That garage idea from Rome is pretty cool!

Hope this works out, we need more infill. Every little bit helps. I've seen those parking spaces in NYC.

That garage idea from Rome is pretty cool!

Yep. I would actually like have one of those at my home. I could keep my truck out of the elements, protect it from break-ins, and I wouldn't have to move it every time we want to shoot some hoops in the drive.

Yep. I would actually like have one of those at my home. I could keep my truck out of the elements, protect it from break-ins, and I wouldn't have to move it every time we want to shoot some hoops in the drive.Is there an estimated cost to build one???? I would guess for a one or two car setup, it would cost around 15,000 20,000?

Wonder how much you would save by not having to build a garage, but do this instead?

Wonder how much you would save by not having to build a garage, but do this instead?How would this be cheaper than having a garage?

Of course if the power goes out, you can't get to your car.

Of course if the power goes out, you can't get to your car.I guess you could have a back up generator. I look at this as really cool back up or last resort option, but for me, this would only be a last resort kind of thing.

How would this be cheaper than having a garage?

Didn't say it was cheaper. But you would save money on the house itself if you stored your cars this way. That savings would help offset the cost.

Building permits only contain structural materials right? Labor and furnishings not included?

I believe it includes labor as well, but not furnishings. There are stakes out, I noticed today. It will be interesting to see how the architect deals with the hill. If I were spending $8 million (agree that sounds phenomenally high for OKC for that square footage for a residence), I'd buy the lot next door as well.

I'll watch the program again but I think they said a 2 garage like this was $500,000. You can't just dig a hole and put your car in it - it will fill up with water the first time it rains. However, I have seen some that elevates the car above the driveway and/or patio that can probably be done a lot cheaper.

I'll watch the program again but I think they said a 2 garage like this was $500,000. You can't just dig a hole and put your car in it - it will fill up with water the first time it rains. However, I have seen some that elevates the car above the driveway and/or patio that can probably be done a lot cheaper.Half a million???????? That doesn't sound right. Was the $500,000 figure for the entire setup they had in Rome or would that be just a two car setup? Now that I think about it, it is probably more than my guess, but I wouldn't of guessed anywhere near $500,000 lol. . . Hopefully as time goes by, they will find a way to do it cheaper.

I also wonder whether they had to grind through rock or if it was soil. Oklahoma's red clay sucks digging through lol

You don't build an 8 million dollar home in Deep Deuce on spec. I'm trying to figure out where they'll put the garages. On the front, I guess. It will be interesting to see if he has anything to say about Dr. Patel's hotel.

Yeah, that his whole house is worth more...

Today they filed their application with the Downtown Design Review Committee.

Calling it the "Deuce Firehouse Townhouse" and it's shown at 4,500 sq. ft.

Hearing date is 7/18/13.


Should be able to see the plans in the next couple of weeks.

That's a cool name!

Today they filed their application with the Downtown Design Review Committee.

Calling it the "Deuce Firehouse Townhouse" and it's shown at 4,500 sq. ft.

Hearing date is 7/18/13.


Should be able to see the plans in the next couple of weeks.

I'm not sure how a townhouse with 4,500 sf can possibly run $8 million, but obv that's going to be more than $800,000 so it couldn't just be a case of an extra 0 being carried over. It sounds like they're going to build the grandiose urban firehouse that OCFD didn't.

We shall soon see.

The building permit still shows $8 million and if there was a mistake it probably would have been corrected by now.

We shall soon see.

The building permit still shows $8 million and if there was a mistake it probably would have been corrected by now.

I looked at Leonard Sullivan's Oklahoma County Assessor page and there's no "this lot was purchased for x amount". Would you think that maybe the purchase of the lot is included in that building permit $ amount? I don't know how this works considering you can see other property on the assessors page and it shows that paid $ amount...

An architect friend called Sam Moore and it's supposed to read $800,000.

Note the new renderings posted to the article at the top of the page.

Interestingly, the last site plan shows an undetermined "future building" to the north.

Very cool. Hopefully that projected building next door isn't actually a concrete cube. lol

Also interesting is that part of this deal is for the developer to take control of the easement lot directly west.

He clearly can build on it, but the plan shows a fence enclosure, a driveway and landscaping.

Very cool. Hopefully that projected building next door isn't actually a concrete cube. lol

It looks like that is actually the Deep Deuce apartment building next door if the rendering is of the front, facing 1st Street.

Interesting about garage placement... maybe that led to the firehouse name. If there was an alley, I'd say they MUST put parking access in back. But without that, I suppose that this is the best arrangement...

Yes, the gray cube is one of the DD Apartments buildings.

There are windows on the west side of that structure which will now be completely blocked.

I'm not suggesting it is the same type of architecture, but the land use reminds me a bit of some of the great homes near The Battery in Charleston.

The rendering and plans for this home are better than the proposed commercial structure at 600 W Sheridan. Someone is going on the CHEAP over there...

Woops, yea totally was reading that render incorrectly. That is just a really poor display of the currently existing DD apartment. Carry on!

I'm not suggesting it is the same type of architecture, but the land use reminds me a bit of some of the great homes near The Battery in Charleston.

Those would be the classic side-yard homes and Charleston is full of them. I actually thought this development might try that but those homes don't have garages. Not sure I would be excited about a street full of garage doors so hopefully this is the only one. Otherwise, put in the side yards and only offer on-street parking.

For those that aren't familiar with the side-yard homes check out the Charleston Battery in Google Street-view.

Yeah, I agree (and noticed) that the street-front garage veers away from the Charleston type, but beyond that definitely reminiscent, at least from my memory.

Yeah, I agree (and noticed) that the street-front garage veers away from the Charleston type, but beyond that definitely reminiscent, at least from my memory.

We looked at moving there several years ago (my wife lived in Charleston for several years) but to get one of the side-yard homes was north of $3 million.

Those would be the classic side-yard homes and Charleston is full of them. I actually thought this development might try that but those homes don't have garages. Not sure I would be excited about a street full of garage doors so hopefully this is the only one. Otherwise, put in the side yards and only offer on-street parking.

For those that aren't familiar with the side-yard homes check out the Charleston Battery in Google Street-view.You don't like garages??? O_o

You don't like garages??? O_o

Not lined up along the street or taking up +50% of the front of the house - no. Garages should go behind the house accessed by a side-drive or rear alley.

There is no rear alley driveway here, that's the problem.

There is no rear alley driveway here, that's the problem.

Well, there is but they would need to get permission from the apartments to access it. However, there are $5 million homes in Charleston that only offer on-street parking. Also, if the easement can include a road then that is a natural alley that could reach multiple homes. I can also see a situation where someone would park in the driveway and block the sidewalk.

In San Francisco, many of the townhouses have very prominent garages on the front of the house. Alleys are great, but if you don't have one, you're stuck putting the garage in front. It doesn't bother me.

You have to admit though that many of those have a pretty good vertical separation. It is interesting to see how different cities deal with narrow lots and parking. I just don't want this kind of streetscape.

http://hiddencityphila.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/7244966666_41d815c2dc_o.jpg

'Firehouse' in Oklahoma City's Deep Deuce is set to become new home | News OK (http://newsok.com/firehouse-in-oklahoma-citys-deep-deuce-is-set-to-become-new-home/article/3853577)

While I would agree that's not your ideal streetscape. I wouldn't mind that at all. Reminds me of west coast beach town development.

It's not going to be a street-scape in Deep Deuce. There may be a street or two with a few houses that have street-front garages, but there's not enough room left in DD for even a block section of street to be dominated by that frontage.

I hope they do three more (not exactly alike, but the same basic concept, up not out) directly west of this, then two to the north. Hell, replace the Springhill Suites being built on that corner with five of these. There are breaks between the DD apartments halfway between Russell M Perry and Central Avenue. I am curious if there is a particular reason for this. Can it be built on? Are they easements?

I hope they do three more (not exactly alike, but the same basic concept, up not out) directly west of this, then two to the north. Hell, replace the Springhill Suites being built on that corner with five of these. There are breaks between the DD apartments halfway between Russell M Perry and Central Avenue. I am curious if there is a particular reason for this. Can it be built on? Are they easements?

I, too am not a fan of the garage doors facing the street. The irony is that the one car garage eliminates a like amount of on-street parking. My guess is the owner(s) of such a structure will often park in the drive, blocking the sidewalk.

Regarding the gap in the DD fabric between RMP and Central, I looked at these on the County Assessor site a while back. They are owned by ODOT. I imagine, though I may be wrong, that there is a drainage structure that runs through there that drains I-235.

I, too am not a fan of the garage doors facing the street. The irony is that the one car garage eliminates a like amount of on-street parking. My guess is the owner(s) of such a structure will often park in the drive, blocking the sidewalk.

Regarding the gap in the DD fabric between RMP and Central, I looked at these on the County Assessor site a while back. They are owned by ODOT. I imagine, though I may be wrong, that there is a drainage structure that runs through there that drains I-235.

Correct.

Yes, there is a drainage aqueduct underground running through there. When I lived in Deep Deuce we looked at doing a pocket park or dog park. You can landscape it but they reserve the wight to come dig it up if they need access to the the drainage.

Regarding the garage, the neighborhood historically apparently had alleys. I am not sure whether the original developer was required to make these permanently accessible to adjacent property owners, but a great example where access had to be maintained is the deep Deuce Grill. If I'm not mistaken, they had their own remote and/or a keypad to the gain access through the Deep Deuce apartment parking lot to the back of the kitchen for some time. Such a similar access requirement may be available to the developer buried in writing somewhere that he may not be aware of.

That might help make rear entry to the property feasible.

You have to admit though that many of those have a pretty good vertical separation. It is interesting to see how different cities deal with narrow lots and parking. I just don't want this kind of streetscape.

http://hiddencityphila.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/7244966666_41d815c2dc_o.jpg

My neighborhood in Cleveland does it better:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2019/2098694991_f317d1b31b_o.jpg
http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/galleries/Features/2011/November_2011/Issue_54/cleveland_urban_housing_mkt/tremont_11-14-11_04.jpg

This firehouse home instantly reminded me of about a dozen new homes going up on lots that are about 15 feet wide and go waaay back.

Parking in back and elevated first floor for privacy - I like those a lot better.

When you're building a "skinny house" you have to have an alley to put the garage in the back of the house.

When you're building a "skinny house" you have to have an alley to put the garage in the back of the house.

or just leave off the garage and use on-street parking.

I might agree with you if we didn't have such a problem with heat and hail in OKC. But there have been times this year when I was very glad I could put my car in a garage and avoid potential hail damage. When it's 110 degrees here, it's nicer to get into a garaged car. Also, there is a lot of competition for parking on 1st St. At night, that's where a lot of people park who are avoiding pay parking downtown, people going to The Wedge park there and there will be a hotel across the street. Then there's resale to consider. I've had a couple of people tell me they would never consider buying one of the brownstones because "where would you park"? They're quite surprised to hear we have an alley and garages in the rear.

I don't mind the garage door really if it is built like it is, up to the ROW. Where the whole garage door/driveway issue starts to have a real impact is when people use their driveway as a parking lot and you get a whole street of what is essentially mini surface parking lots.

In a dense residential area, you are going to have some garages like that. It doesn't bother me. On my street in Seattle there are a few of them and these apartments are even built above the 'carriage' doors of this old accessory building: https://www.google.com/maps?ll=47.628742,-122.362104&spn=0.267006,0.676346&cbp=12,354.01,,0,3.43&layer=c&panoid=GLVhEgaDiCXcXEVmAFIMTw&cbll=47.628742,-122.362104&dg=opt&t=m&z=11

I think what helps at this location in Seattle is that the garages aren't taking up any on street parking since parking on that side of the street is not allowed. This is not the case on 1st. Like I said before, I'll bet that there will be ass ends of cars that are parked in the drive to negotiate around if you're walking down that sidewalk.

You are right in that this is not a black and white issue.

I walk that street every day, and while I will be annoyed if there's a car blocking the sidewalk, I think these people deserve the right to have a garage.