The Williams Center in Tulsa was built as an enclosed mall with attached retail and commercial, plus a nice ice skating rink. It ended up going belly up and turned into office space.

I think the real issue with may Malls is just there is a way over abundance of retail space in this country so it hard to keep any one development full and nice. All the "Mills" malls started off in bad shape because they built in marginal areas, that already had plenty of retail, and then they added millions of square feet and could never stay full. The same thing will happen as developers rush to build new style retail, and in 15 years they will be collapsing. The other big issue is developers and retail companies sell bonds to build, most of those bond will never actually be paid off (refinanced or chapter 11), and they never invest (or have the money to invest) in keeping the stores up to date and maintained.

And here Edmond had a prominent mall developer looking to actually build a mixed use development, shopping with apartment housing, and Edmond residents emphatically said no. Guess they are fine with continuing to send a lot of their retail dollars to OKC.

I'm not sure I'd describe 6000 voters as emphatic. I think just the majority, as normal, wasn't motivated to vote.

I'm not sure I'd describe 6000 voters as emphatic. I think just the majority, as normal, wasn't motivated to vote.

True. I still think if you polled every Edmond resident it would easily be a yes. But nevertheless, 2/3rds of voters said no.

True. I still think if you polled every Edmond resident it would easily be a yes. But nevertheless, 2/3rds of voters said no.

If only we had an organization, may some sort of economic commerce org in Edmond (you could even place it by UCO) who could have put in as much effort in getting out the vote as the no people did...

Grapevine Mills is an outlet mall**. Hulen, Ridgemar and Valley View are ghetto malls. Stonebriar is the 4th largest mall in TX and in the fastest growing city in USA. Parks & the Galleria still doing fine and so is Willow Bend.
DFW has 3 major outlets now though at Texas Motor Speedway, Allen, and Grand Prairie plus all of what Dallas has to offer with Mockingbird Station, West Village, Highland Village.
Northeast Mall in Hurst is doing really well.

Four more stores in Quail Springs Mall are closing by months end.... Forever 21, Pandora, Icing and Crazy 8. That will leave over 20 store spaces vacant and 2 food court slots vacant. This mall may die sooner than I thought. Forever 21 claims they are closing because traffic is way down in the mall and management is doing nothing to try and salvage it. More stores may be on their way out soon also.

I was in the mall recently and it seemed lively enough. It wasn't packed. Whatever happens to this mall is because the owners and management aren't doing anything to make it better. I see someone coming in and buying it either tearing it down or redoing it completely. The mall is completely cut off from the north and they should go with more structured parking adding an open air lifestyle component nearby. Would hate to see Von Maur leave after they invested a lot in their current place.

I've said this before. GGP doesn't realize that it isn't 1998 anymore. They don't realize that consumer tastes have changed as have what people expect from shopping malls. Quail Springs Mall would be doing great as is if it were the late '90s. It isn't. There's no reason QSM should be declining given the demographics in the immediate area. The area doesn't have the issues that Crossroads had. This is entirely the fault of an out-of-touch management company. OKC is a large enough town that it should be able to support more than one mall, especially given that Penn Square Mall is actually a pretty small mall. Hopefully they eventually sell and somebody else takes it over before it becomes a blight.

Maybe they're counting on the fitness place to drive more traffic there? I much prefer QSM to Penn Square, so I hope they get things turned around out there. The last few times I was there, it was pretty sad. I don't know what the answer is, or what would make me go there more often. Renovating the movie theatres to be more like Penn (recliners, reserved seating, etc) might help. The whole mall just seems tired.

I've said this before. GGP doesn't realize that it isn't 1998 anymore. They don't realize that consumer tastes have changed as have what people expect from shopping malls. Quail Springs Mall would be doing great as is if it were the late '90s. It isn't. There's no reason QSM should be declining given the demographics in the immediate area. The area doesn't have the issues that Crossroads had. This is entirely the fault of an out-of-touch management company. OKC is a large enough town that it should be able to support more than one mall, especially given that Penn Square Mall is actually a pretty small mall. Hopefully they eventually sell and somebody else takes it over before it becomes a blight.
Nationally, mall owners generally know that malls are out of favor and are investing very little to prop them up. They are getting as much cash out of them as they can and, as one developer told me, are using “bubble gum and duct tape” to keep them going. This will accelerate their decline.
There are few buyers for malls these days, so don’t expect a white knight to race in and invest a bunch of money in QSM

I will make this prediction right now, AMC is the ticking time bomb that will finally KO Quail Springs. Once the Edmond theater opens up, hopefully Warren north, and the two dine-in theaters, AMC will see a big decline. They probably also need to do more than just comfy seats. They need a direct entrance for starters. The new mall entrance helps, but that parking lot is going to be packed.

I have been told that one of the national chain stores recently asked the mall management if they could move to one of the larger, open spaces, so they could expand their inventory and offerings. They were offering to sign a lease of 3-5 years. All they asked in return was a break on the rent for the first 3 years then back up to market rate and the mall said "No." As has been said...the biggest problem with this mall is that the management doesn't care. They aren't being responsive to the retailers or the customers. I'm told that H&M is looking to bail and move to Penn. They have a huge space. The word around the mall is that as soon as their deal is up...Von Mar is gone. I'm also told that AMC currently has no plans for a big remodel. As of now, the AMC in Penn is making more money per seat sales than Quail. And if they think the fitness place will increase sales...they are crazy. Who wants to go shopping then workout? Or who wants to go work out and then go shopping? Odds are it will have no impact on sales. yes...more folks will be parking in the north lot...big deal. That most likely will not result in more sales. GGP just doesn't care really. You have roughly 20 vacant spots...but you refuse to negotiate with retailers for those spots. They would rather make no money than lease them for a reduced rate.

I have been told that one of the national chain stores recently asked the mall management if they could move to one of the larger, open spaces, so they could expand their inventory and offerings. They were offering to sign a lease of 3-5 years. All they asked in return was a break on the rent for the first 3 years then back up to market rate and the mall said "No." As has been said...the biggest problem with this mall is that the management doesn't care. They aren't being responsive to the retailers or the customers. I'm told that H&M is looking to bail and move to Penn. They have a huge space. The word around the mall is that as soon as their deal is up...Von Mar is gone. I'm also told that AMC currently has no plans for a big remodel. As of now, the AMC in Penn is making more money per seat sales than Quail. And if they think the fitness place will increase sales...they are crazy. Who wants to go shopping then workout? Or who wants to go work out and then go shopping? Odds are it will have no impact on sales. yes...more folks will be parking in the north lot...big deal. That most likely will not result in more sales. GGP just doesn't care really. You have roughly 20 vacant spots...but you refuse to negotiate with retailers for those spots. They would rather make no money than lease them for a reduced rate.

If this is true, then QSM has likely crossed the point of no return. Hopefully H&M is able to move to Penn. That's where they really belong and it would be a shame for this market to lose them. It's also a shame regarding Von Maur. They likely would have been successful if they would have gone somewhere other than QSM and there is a chance their failure could impact OKC's future ability to attract upscale retail. Upscale retailers are already unusually cautious about OKC compared to other markets this size. The AMC is very dated by movie theater standards (it feels like stepping back to the 90s to go see a movie there) and as soon as there are better/more modern options in north OKC they will likely see a decline. Once that happens, the mall is done.

If this is true, then QSM has likely crossed the point of no return. Hopefully H&M is able to move to Penn. That's where they really belong and it would be a shame for this market to lose them. It's also a shame regarding Von Maur. They likely would have been successful if they would have gone somewhere other than QSM and there is a chance their failure could impact OKC's future ability to attract upscale retail. Upscale retailers are already unusually cautious about OKC compared to other markets this size. The AMC is very dated by movie theater standards (it feels like stepping back to the 90s to go see a movie there) and as soon as there are better/more modern options in north OKC they will likely see a decline. Once that happens, the mall is done.

Eh, they can look at the numerous other uber-successsful retail areas in the market (Classen Curve/Nichols Hills, Penn Square). OKC won't have trouble attracting upscale retail, in my opinion. It does stink that GGP doesnt care about Quail, though.

I forgot to add...I know that at least one more national chain store (small-mid size) is planning on looking for a different location in the coming weeks. They are going to approach Penn...and also look at a strip style retail location. Sadly, they see the writing on the wall. And it is sad because they have seen sales growth this year over previous years, but they are getting concerned about the mall traffic that is declining. Even as their sales have increased. They have a fairly loyal following...but they fear the decline of AMC. AMC is what drives a great deal of the traffic in the mall. As was said...the upcoming theater locations in NW OKC will likely drive AMC's traffic down even further.

The AMC is very dated by movie theater standards (it feels like stepping back to the 90s to go see a movie there) and as soon as there are better/more modern options in north OKC they will likely see a decline. Once that happens, the mall is done.
I'd just offer that I like the AMC at QSM 100% more than Penn Square. The theatre at PS, aside from the inside of the screening rooms, I don't think has changed a bit since they opened, what, 20 years ago? Once you get in the screening room, it's great, but everything else about that theatre turns me off. It still smells like it did when I saw Batman there in 89 or 90. The tiny little concessions at the front makes me nuts, too.

I far prefer the experience at QSM. A direct entrance would be nice, and better seating would be even better. Neither will probably happen, I guess. With 2 small kids, I don't really go to movies all that much anyway.

Tinseltown is a great value alternative to QS AMC. No one wants to go through the mall and my tickets are 1/3 the price....literally.

Tinseltown is a great value alternative to QS AMC. No one wants to go through the mall and my tickets are 1/3 the price....literally.

I tend to go before noon, and tickets are $5 at QSM on the weekends before noon (at least they were the last time I went, which was probably in 2017). Plus I don't want to drive down to Tinseltown.

I am looking forward to having a few more options in the Quail Springs area (Chisholm Creek, etc).

Would be cool to see Von Maur open up a department store downtown. Even better if Neiman Marcus opened up along Park Ave.

I'd just offer that I like the AMC at QSM 100% more than Penn Square. The theatre at PS, aside from the inside of the screening rooms, I don't think has changed a bit since they opened, what, 20 years ago? Once you get in the screening room, it's great, but everything else about that theatre turns me off. It still smells like it did when I saw Batman there in 89 or 90. The tiny little concessions at the front makes me nuts, too.

I far prefer the experience at QSM. A direct entrance would be nice, and better seating would be even better. Neither will probably happen, I guess. With 2 small kids, I don't really go to movies all that much anyway.

That theater opened under the General Cinemas banner back in 1988, then switched to Hollywood in 1998, then Dickinson in 2002, and finally AMC took over in 2012. I worked in that theatre in 2005-2006 while it was a Dickinson. That theatre always felt worn and tired despite a remodel that happened when Dickinson took over (which also included converting auditoriums 3, 6, 9, and 10 to stadium seating). When AMC bought it, they did quite a bit of work to clean it up and give everything a fresh coat of paint. They also replaced all of the carpet, overhauled the bathrooms, reconfigured and overhauled the concession stand, installed reclining leather chairs in every auditorium, replaced all of the old film projectors with digital cinema projectors, replaced multiple blown speakers, changed lighting fixtures, even replaced a couple of the screens. It's far, far better than it was under Dickinson's ownership.

Fun fact, that theatre has technically come full circle. A few years after General Cinemas pulled out of Oklahoma, they ended up going totally bankrupt and AMC bought their remaining assets. AMC's ownership of the Penn Square theater brings it back into the fold.

I also worked for AMC at Quail Springs in 2001-2002. That theatre opened in mid December 1998 and aside from a few changes in the auditoriums and the removal of the glass front wall of the box office, that theater remains largely unchanged since it opened.

In no way has the Penn Square AMC lobby been neglected or is unchanged since they opened 30 years ago. Anybody who has been since 2012 knows there is a huge difference since AMC took over from Dickinson and totally renovated the place. Layout is much the same, but that's where the comparison ends.

I can't believe Gap hasn't closed the Quail store yet.

I can't believe Gap hasn't closed the Quail store yet.

And I can’t believe they haven’t reopened the Penn store yet.

In no way has the Penn Square AMC lobby been neglected or is unchanged since they opened 30 years ago. Anybody who has been since 2012 knows there is a huge difference since AMC took over from Dickinson and totally renovated the place. Layout is much the same, but that's where the comparison ends.

I'm sure you guys are right. I've only been there a very few times in the last 20 years, but I'm probably getting that feeling from the layout. It feels cramped to me, whereas QSM is wide open and has multiple concession stands. As I said, I like what they've done to the screening rooms.

Also, I have a strong dislike for Penn Square, in general, so that does tend to bleed over into my feelings about the tenants sometimes. I'm really looking forward to having more options, and especially checking out Alamo if/when it arrives.

I'm sure you guys are right. I've only been there a very few times in the last 20 years, but I'm probably getting that feeling from the layout. It feels cramped to me, whereas QSM is wide open and has multiple concession stands. As I said, I like what they've done to the screening rooms.

Also, I have a strong dislike for Penn Square, in general, so that does tend to bleed over into my feelings about the tenants sometimes. I'm really looking forward to having more options, and especially checking out Alamo if/when it arrives.
What is it about Penn Sq you dislike so much? It has good stores and is a pleasant environment. It has less kids just roaming around. Traffic around it isn’t as bad. Certainly a far more pleasant environment than QS.

If this is true, then QSM has likely crossed the point of no return. Hopefully H&M is able to move to Penn. That's where they really belong and it would be a shame for this market to lose them. It's also a shame regarding Von Maur. They likely would have been successful if they would have gone somewhere other than QSM and there is a chance their failure could impact OKC's future ability to attract upscale retail. Upscale retailers are already unusually cautious about OKC compared to other markets this size. The AMC is very dated by movie theater standards (it feels like stepping back to the 90s to go see a movie there) and as soon as there are better/more modern options in north OKC they will likely see a decline. Once that happens, the mall is done.

Von Maur is hardly the be-all benchmark for high-end retail. They were thrown a boatload of incentives to build into QSM knowing its built-in liabilities and - surprise - it isn't as successful as they hoped. It's a very narrow example. I don't think VM is a very good fit in OK anyway...if VM couldn't see that...they are as much to blame as anyone. We went there once when it opened, and we've never been back.

What is it about Penn Sq you dislike so much? It has good stores and is a pleasant environment. It has less kids just roaming around. Traffic around it isn’t as bad. Certainly a far more pleasant environment than QS.

Ugh...I like PSM, but I'd take QSM traffic flow over PSM any day. I'm amazed there aren't more accidents amid all the designed-in congestion and merging around PSM.

Ugh...I like PSM, but I'd take QSM traffic flow over PSM any day. I'm amazed there aren't more accidents amid all the designed-in congestion and merging around PSM.

Totally agree, we even completely avoid not just PSM, but the area around it between mid-Nov and mid-Jan.

Glad to see people responding to the traffic around Penn Square thing. I am more than well aware that there is a very VERY crappy intersection or two near Quail Springs (the worst one super easily avoided). But to even remotely imply Penn Square is smooth sailing? They would have to move it off NW Expressway for that to happen. Quail has a couple idiotic intersections. Penn has NW Expressway. Nuff said, mike drop.

When it comes to aesthetics, I don't really see a difference between QSM and PSM. Their both pretty generic in design. PSM management just did a better job of attracting and retaining tenants.

What is it about Penn Sq you dislike so much? It has good stores and is a pleasant environment. It has less kids just roaming around. Traffic around it isn’t as bad. Certainly a far more pleasant environment than QS.

The parking lot is a nightmare. The mall itself is a lot busier than QSM, and I am not great at dealing with crowds. Since I've moved to The Village, and the Belle Isle shopping area has grown up, I'm not crazy about the traffic in that area, either.

I'm not saying any of this is rational for a normal person, it might only apply to me. I don't have a whole lot of use for malls in any case, so they could both shut down for all I care, except for the economic impact and appearance to future retailers.

I agree about malls. However, I enjoy walking PS on stormy days, or days of bitter cold or scorching heat. I’m getting too old and lazy to walk in really adverse conditions. Malls are still safe havens .... oh, and I get free food samples walking through the food court (not so at QS ��)
The parking problem is overblown at PS. Except for the Christmas season it isn’t bad. People just drive around for 30 min to find a spot near an entrance. I love how people talk about walking but won’t walk 100 yards to get from car to door. Lol.

Even at the height of Christmas shopping I have always been able to find a spot in the parking garage at Penn. The main annoyance there tends to just be congestion in getting in and out of the overall lot.

Reminds me of a Yogi ism: "It's so busy nobody goes there anymore"

I lol so hard at the bad traffic and parking problems at PS. Give me a break!

I live nearby PS and pass it regularly. Except for Christmas time parking is never full. Parking at the front door may be, but there is ample parking in both the surface and structured. Even during Christmas there is usually parking open in the northwest area. It is just that people don't want to walk so they park on the grass, curbs, etc. to save walking 100 more steps. The only time getting in or out is a problem is right at closing time during busy seasons when everyone is trying to leave at once, and on Christmas Eve, and black Friday. Otherwise traffic feeds out to Penn and NW Hwy very quickly. People here get bent out of shape if they have to wait 1 or 2 minutes to get to an expwy where they can do 65 mph. LOL

Both malls usually have decend parking, even during peak season, if you just drive to the “back” of them.

I think it's great none of you have parking issues at PS. Doesn't change the fact that I loathe their parking lot, and the garage is even worse. I hate the parking experience at PS, and have for years. The spaces in the lot are tight, the driving lane between the parking lanes is tight, the traffic around PS tends to be higher, which leads to issues getting in/out, etc. Some of that stuff may not bother other people, but it's enough to keep me away from that mall. Same reason I refuse to go to Burlington or any stores on that side of French Market Mall. The parking lot there is also terrible.

We all have different ideas of what constitutes a good experience.

When I am in town I find PS to be OK. Aswas said, just go to the back. I will agree with the post above that French Market Mall and Sprouts across the street are the worst due to tiny parking places and drives. FWIW, that Sprouts store is far busier than my local Denver stores each time I visit.

When I am in town I find PS to be OK. Aswas said, just go to the back. I will agree with the post above that French Market Mall and Sprouts across the street are the worst due to tiny parking places and drives. FWIW, that Sprouts store is far busier than my local Denver stores each time I visit.

There's a newer Sprouts out north on MacArthur with a normal parking lot. Much nicer, and the store is great, too.

I think it's great none of you have parking issues at PS. Doesn't change the fact that I loathe their parking lot, and the garage is even worse. I hate the parking experience at PS, and have for years. The spaces in the lot are tight, the driving lane between the parking lanes is tight, the traffic around PS tends to be higher, which leads to issues getting in/out, etc. Some of that stuff may not bother other people, but it's enough to keep me away from that mall. Same reason I refuse to go to Burlington or any stores on that side of French Market Mall. The parking lot there is also terrible.

We all have different ideas of what constitutes a good experience.

Preach on, brother. Right there with ya.

I work directly across the street from Penn Square Mall. I see it for several hours a day. 99% of the time and year, the parking lot is maybe 40% full. I drive on Penn and Expressway several times a day. If you have problems with the PSM parking lot and entrance ways, that's on you. Maybe just head to a CVS for your shopping needs? Probably a bit easier in and out for some.

if you have problems with the qsm parking lot and entrance ways, that's on you. Maybe just head to a cvs for your shopping needs? Probably a bit easier in and out for some.

ftfy.

There's always ample parking on the north side and in the garage. I know a lot of people are nervous about parking in the garage but it's excellent if you need to get in and out of Penn Square Mall quickly.

I don't know about parking (just that the layout of the lot near the 'main' entrance at QSM is annoying, so it's just better to park at Von Maur's second floor), but my issue with QSM has always been the overall layout of the mall itself. Penn is of course owned by Simon, and they know how to make malls. I've never heard of the company that built QSM, but I mainly go there to see movies at AMC, and cannot understand why there isn't a direct entrance to the theater. Why do I have to walk through stores that I don't care about and a mediocre food court just to get to the ticket booth? They seriously need to rebuild from the ground up. Make a better food court and a direct entrance to AMC, get rid of everything else.

ftfy.

Nah man I meant Penn Square. I'll take driving on Penn and Expressway any moment of my life over driving May or Penn and Memorial. When was the last time a major sports director for KFOR died on Penn and Expressway?

I rest my case.

Why do I have to walk through stores that I don't care about and a mediocre food court just to get to the ticket booth?

For the same reason you walk through candy and magazines and DVDs to get to the checkout at Target, past the endcaps at Crest, and past the food samples at Sams Club.

Impulse buys.

Nah man I meant Penn Square. I'll take driving on Penn and Expressway any moment of my life over driving May or Penn and Memorial.

I rest my case.
Traffic around QSM definitely worse, especially on Penn. On rare occasions is the traffic on Penn and NW Ex around PSM as bad as it is everyday around QSM. And just wait til all the apartments and the fitness center open. Wow.

For the same reason you walk through candy and magazines and DVDs to get to the checkout at Target, past the endcaps at Crest, and past the food samples at Sams Club.

Impulse buys.

I'm sure it was a good deal for AMC when they first agreement with the mall 20 years ago. It's a inconvience to movie customers now. An inconvience they will no longer tolerate once they have more options.

Nah man I meant Penn Square. I'll take driving on Penn and Expressway any moment of my life over driving May or Penn and Memorial. When was the last time a major sports director for KFOR died on Penn and Expressway?

I rest my case.

Your argument may be true, but an idiot could make an illegal uturn on pretty much any street and kill a guy on a motorcycle. I 100 percent blame that to bad driving rather than traffic conditions. If anything if the road was congested at the time he probably wouldn't have attempted the illegal uturn.

Having worked with both Simon and GGP on complete mall remodel projects and individual stores I can attest that GGP is the more difficult one to work with. Even DIA is easier to deal with than GGP.

Simon owns PS, but they bought it in 2002. It was originally redeveloped by JMB/Federated (i.e. they added Foleys and the second story in the late 1980s). Point of clarification relative to comment that Simon knows how to make malls (which they do, just that they did not build PS or determine its layout).

I work directly across the street from Penn Square Mall. I see it for several hours a day. 99% of the time and year, the parking lot is maybe 40% full. I drive on Penn and Expressway several times a day. If you have problems with the PSM parking lot and entrance ways, that's on you. Maybe just head to a CVS for your shopping needs? Probably a bit easier in and out for some.

Cool story.

I'm sure it was a good deal for AMC when they first agreement with the mall 20 years ago. It's a inconvience to movie customers now. An inconvience they will no longer tolerate once they have more options.

Probably a better deal for the mall itself. It was already beginning to show signs of market deterioration when the theater was announced. The opening of the theater in (I think) 1998 was an immediate shot in the arm and definitely breathed new life into the mall.

Without a doubt making people walk through the mall to get to the theater was intended to make people interact with the stores or at least see them. Honestly brilliant and probably added 20 good years to the mall’s life. I’m certain the mall’s ownership made AMC a sweet deal with the stipulation that the entrance was deep inside.

While I agree that the theater will probably begin to struggle as new modern and more easily-accessed theaters continue to come online, adding an outdoor entrance is a risky idea. It’s possible that in trying to save the theater you could kill the mall.

Maybe not through GCP, but if the mall had a new developer, could they accomplish something like Pinnacle Hills in Northwest Arkansas, or The Landing in Branson? Both are open air centers that have pretty typical "mall" retail. Basically, reverse what they did to Penn Square Mall. Quail Springs would demolish the enclosed mall and then add new retail with updated square footage to better meet retailer needs? Anchor stores would remain.

Of course, I don't know if there is a consumer demand for general retail anymore? Other than dining and a few specialty shops, what draws people to shopping centers/malls anymore?

There is so much unused real eatate around the mall just waiting for general retail.

Probably a better deal for the mall itself. It was already beginning to show signs of market deterioration when the theater was announced. The opening of the theater in (I think) 1998 was an immediate shot in the arm and definitely breathed new life into the mall.

Without a doubt making people walk through the mall to get to the theater was intended to make people interact with the stores or at least see them. Honestly brilliant and probably added 20 good years to the mall’s life. I’m certain the mall’s ownership made AMC a sweet deal with the stipulation that the entrance was deep inside.

While I agree that the theater will probably begin to struggle as new modern and more easily-accessed theaters continue to come online, adding an outdoor entrance is a risky idea. It’s possible that in trying to save the theater you could kill the mall.

This is really strange. You were off by a decade as Penn Square General Cinema showed its first movie on May 19th, 1988. Yep, thirty years ago today.

https://mall-hall-of-fame.blogspot.com/2007/03/penn-square-shopping-center-northwest.html

This is really strange. You were off by a decade as Penn Square General Cinema showed its first movie on May 19th, 1988. Yep, thirty years ago today.

https://mall-hall-of-fame.blogspot.com/2007/03/penn-square-shopping-center-northwest.html

Actually you were off...by an entire MALL. I was responding to jn1780's post about Quail Springs.

Actually you were off...by an entire MALL. I was responding to jn1780's post about Quail Springs.

Oh, I'm sorry. Honest mistake. I got confused with some back and forth between the two malls.
A serendipitous discovery came out of the misunderstanding, it's strange that Penn Square's General Cinema screened their first movie exactly thirty years ago today.

Yeah, that WAS a cool find. :)