I have never not found parking at PSM in the parking garage even at the heights of the Christmas season. The second level is a great suggestion, you can commonly park very close to whichever entrance you prefer.

I don't disagree, but the parking at PSM is a nightmare all year round, and an all-out disaster during the holidays. As little shopping as I do in malls, QSM is much preferred. Plus, their movie theatre has $5 tickets before noon, which works out well, too.

Our kids still love PSM. I guess if I didn't hate crowds as much, I wouldn't mind PSM. When I had all Apple stuff, I was there much more often looking at the new shiny toys. I still keep meaning to drop in on the Think Geek store, too.
I have never once had an issue with parking anywhere in OKC.

I have never once had an issue with parking anywhere in OKC.

You and I have different definitions of the idea of "issue with parking", and that's perfectly fine. PSM's parking lot and parking situation is the biggest reason I avoid PSM at all costs. My threshold, admittedly, may be much lower than most.

You and I have different definitions of the idea of "issue with parking", and that's perfectly fine. PSM's parking lot and parking situation is the biggest reason I avoid PSM at all costs. My threshold, admittedly, may be much lower than most.

It also helps that I don't think they live in the area. I thought about saying I don't have trouble parking in their area either, which I've long forgotten the location.

Wait, you're telling me that any light north of 33rd in Edmond is actually OKC lights?

If it is anywhere near Quail Springs, yes. Considering Edmond ends at Santa Fe on 33rd and ends between Western and Santa Fe North through Danforth. http://edmondok.com/DocumentCenter/View/4439


Well, the Edmond street lights are an appropriate topic for this thread to consider how they are affecting Quail Springs by acting as a barrier for casual shoppers. But we have probably exhausted that particular subject by now.

Why do you all think Edmond street lights miles from QSM are hurting the mall? I think it would have a lot more to do with the terrible OTA interchanges at Penn, May and Western and the terrible street/light configuration Oklahoma City has put in on Penn around the mall.

Because Edmond is closer to QSM than PSM, but it’s easier to drive away from NW OKC to go down Broadway Extension and at that point you might as well keep on driving South.

Yes, the OKC intersections on Memorial and Penn or May suck. I wouldn’t even try to dispute that. But folks in Edmond have two options to get to QSM: drive through the main streets in Edmond, which are a mess due to stop lights or take a route via Memorial which means you are still navigating some crap Edmond traffic in addition to OKC traffic on Penn and Memorial. Both options suck, but that doesn’t mean that just OKC rather than Edmond traffic is potentially keeping traffic away.

I live just over 3 miles north of the mall, and I think it’s pretty easy to get to QSM approaching from the North, just turn at Home Depot. Penn doesn’t become a cluster**** until you get past that intersection. I go to the Target there without any issues, but it almost takes twice as long to drive the extra quarter mile to Walmart. So if I need Walmart I head to Edmond (aside from it being a nicer store than the one on Penn). I think of it would be easier to navigate through Edmond, more people might head that way from the north despite the crap traffic situation on Memorial.

But yeah, I would gladly accept a couple years of constructions if they moved the Western/Penn/May exits just past the intersections so you have the full mile to change lanes rather than the suicide dash across Memorial we always see.

I live at Britton and May, and when I go to any store north of Memorial on Penn, I go up May past Memorial and drive through the QSM parking lot to get to Target, Home Depot, etc. I try to avoid the actual intersection of Penn/Memorial at all costs. If I'm going to Sam's or WalMart, I just head north on Penn and don't have to deal with the intersection at all.

Kind of ridiculous the lengths some of us will go to avoid that intersection.

If it is anywhere near Quail Springs, yes. Considering Edmond ends at Santa Fe on 33rd and ends between Western and Santa Fe North through Danforth. http://edmondok.com/DocumentCenter/View/4439

Well, he said north of 33rd in Edmond, so I took to mean Edmond proper. Say Danforth and Bryant. I know what he means. Trying to get from somewhere like that to QSM is a huge hassle because of all the uncoordinated lights in Edmond. And I would assume traffic lights around Danforth and Bryant would be Edmond lights and not OKC, but I could be wrong. I do understand that technically Edmond does go fairly far west, kind of like how OKC city limits extend as far as Cimarron Rd and SW 104th but I don't know that anyone living out there would say they live in OKC.

Danforth & Bryant is indeed Edmond.

I live off of Western between 178th & Danforth. It is Okc but with an Edmond address. Getting to QSM from my place is not a big deal. I regularly meet a friend of mine for lunch at First Watch on the south side of the turnpike at Penn & Memorial. Numerous times I’ve seen traffic on Penn backed up almost to 150th. I’ve always felt that a direct entrance from 150th into the mall would relieve some of the congestion on Penn. but so far there is none.

Well, he said north of 33rd in Edmond, so I took to mean Edmond proper. Say Danforth and Bryant. I know what he means. Trying to get from somewhere like that to QSM is a huge hassle because of all the uncoordinated lights in Edmond. And I would assume traffic lights around Danforth and Bryant would be Edmond lights and not OKC, but I could be wrong. I do understand that technically Edmond does go fairly far west, kind of like how OKC city limits extend as far as Cimarron Rd and SW 104th but I don't know that anyone living out there would say they live in OKC.

Off of second street, there are very few places in true Edmond that have lights arranged in such a way that timing makes any sense. You don't time lights 1-mile apart from each other on two-way roads. There are many places in Edmond and OKC that could benefit from light flashing in off peak times, like the lights around Edmond North HS. And every city has put in too many lights because they give them away for economic development.

I know a lot of people that live in OKC like to think they live in Edmond for some reason, but if you are going to complain about a problem with the city government's operations, it is best to blame the right city.

But I live at Coffee Creek and Kelly and I can get to QSM in the same amount of time it takes me to just get to the Broadway Extension. I still go to Penn a lot because I like it better, but it is quicker to go to QSM.


Danforth & Bryant is indeed Edmond.

I live off of Western between 178th & Danforth. It is Okc but with an Edmond address. Getting to QSM from my place is not a big deal. I regularly meet a friend of mine for lunch at First Watch on the south side of the turnpike at Penn & Memorial. Numerous times I’ve seen traffic on Penn backed up almost to 150th. I’ve always felt that a direct entrance from 150th into the mall would relieve some of the congestion on Penn. but so far there is none.

I agree, they really need to connect the mall road to 150th, especially with Life Time right there it would help a lot.

FYI: Your Edmond address just means that your mail is delivered through the Edmond post office, has nothing to do with city boundaries or city functions. This is big pet peeve of mine because of how many people I know that live West of Penn who insist they live in Edmond, despite all evidence to the contrary. I have no idea how people don't know what city they live in especially when you get a monthly bill from the city for water and trash. Really drives me nuts how many realtors will claim that a house is in Edmond, when it is 3 miles from the boundary.

^ Yes, I well aware of how it works, the city boundaries, and that my mail comes out of Edmond, and that I do live in Okc. It's still an Edmond address.

When I lived south east of Arcadia, I was in Oklahoma City, and though I was closer to Arcadia, I had a Jones address. If someone put Okc on a letter, it would delay it's arrival. Don't ask me why.

Which has nothing to do with QSM.

I say I live in Edmond even though I have Oklahoma City utilities and government and I think most everyone else realizes they don't actually live in the Edmond city limits. It helps people get an idea where you live and it is your official U.S. government address. When your dealing with a large metro area like OKC, living within three miles to the Edmond City limits is close enough to a realtor.


What would really drive you crazy, is that I told people I lived in Moore when I lived near 134th st and Santa Fe. That is OKC address and utilities. Again, I did this to give people a general location on where I lived since saying OKC could be anywhere between Edmond and Moore.

We lived at NW 164th/May - it's an Edmond address, but in OKC limits, so we told people we lived in OKC 'cos we hate Edmond, lol...

On-topic, though - it looks like the little stub on 150th across from Sugar Loaf Drive (Lane would've sounded better than Drive) has been made into a street and goes all the way down to QSM, but doesn't connect. Maybe sometime in the future that'll happen, but probably not since that street is only two lanes, not really meant as mall access...

I tell people that I am in the middle of the OKC/Edmond/Deer Creek Venn Diagram.

Off of second street, there are very few places in true Edmond that have lights arranged in such a way that timing makes any sense. You don't time lights 1-mile apart from each other on two-way roads.

I find this difficult to believe.

2nd street, in what you call true Edmond, extends from a bit west of Santa Fe to way out east into sparsely populated areas. There are A LOT of traffic lights along that stretch. And that's just one road. There's a lot of roads with a lot of traffic lights in Edmond proper. You're telling me there's no way to time those lights to have traffic be more efficient? I'm not talking about a perfect solution, I'm just talking about more efficient than the randomness that they have now.

When was the food court remodeled? It feels like it was between 1997-2000. I actually really liked the old food court and mall entrance before the theater was built. Dated, but nostalgic.

If I'm not mistaken, that happened when the AMC was built there; that would have been in 1998.

If I'm not mistaken, that happened when the AMC was built there; that would have been in 1998.

I remember when it was redone. We were so excited considering the old food court was tiny. I remember they had plexiglass up and you could watch the process.

I remember when it was redone. We were so excited considering the old food court was tiny. I remember they had plexiglass up and you could watch the process.

I just hate how far away the main mall entrances are to the central parts of the mall. The new entrance where Macy's used to be is going to help out a lot.

I just hate how far away the main mall entrances are to the central parts of the mall. The new entrance where Macy's used to be is going to help out a lot.

My first job was working at the AMC in the mall in the early 2000's.... The fastest and easiest way I ever found into that mall was parking on the north side, between Dillard's and the former Macy's, and entering through the loading dock area. It put me right into the central part of the mall on the upper level. I used that entrance for a little while after i quit working there, and it was awesome... But I am pretty sure you can't do that anymore. I agree, the other entrances really suck.

My first job was working at the AMC in the mall in the early 2000's.... The fastest and easiest way I ever found into that mall was parking on the north side, between Dillard's and the former Macy's, and entering through the loading dock area. It put me right into the central part of the mall on the upper level. I used that entrance for a little while after i quit working there, and it was awesome... But I am pretty sure you can't do that anymore. I agree, the other entrances really suck.

I also used that entrance for my AMC and Mall jobs circa early 00's. I bet AMC still hasn't changed their employee entrance door code since 98....

I find this difficult to believe.

2nd street, in what you call true Edmond, extends from a bit west of Santa Fe to way out east into sparsely populated areas. There are A LOT of traffic lights along that stretch. And that's just one road. There's a lot of roads with a lot of traffic lights in Edmond proper. You're telling me there's no way to time those lights to have traffic be more efficient? I'm not talking about a perfect solution, I'm just talking about more efficient than the randomness that they have now.There are ways. Virtually every other city does it.

In addition to the untimed lights to get out of Edmond City limits towards the retail of Memorial Road, including QSM, 2nd St/Edmond Road lacks center turn lanes from University to west of Santa Fe and curb cuts for right handed turns into businesses. This causes unnecessary congestion and is quite surprising for being considered the "main" road to go east west in a town that now has over 90,000 people in its actual city limits.

In certain places there is space to expand intersections and add a center turn lane. In others, businesses are built directly adjacent to the road. On the north side of Edmond, it appears the City of Edmond is addressing this correctly with Covell road as they expand it piece by piece.

The same could be said for the amount of spacing on the one ways of Memorial Road between Western to Portland. When the access roads were built in the early 90's, QSM was still pretty much by itself. As retail has boomed and residential population, little has been done to allow some breathing room, especially at Penn and May along Memorial.

Went to Quail the other week. Subway and Burger King are now gone as well as the downstairs wing to the left of Dillards is boarded up. There were also a lot of mom and pop shops especially in the Von Maur wing along with a few empty storefronts as well.

I hate to say it as someone who's defended the mall before, but they need to get their act together. It's starting to resemble Crossroads in the early 2000's.

That Dillard's itself is sad.

Looks like it hasn't been updated in decades.

Penn Square isn't doing as great as it was a couple of years ago. They lost momentum, especially after that flood last summer. Repairs after that were slow to occur. Gap is still closed, Art of Shaving is gone and that old jewelry store is some cheap looking perform and cologne store. Escalators seem to be out every other week. They did get a brand new set of escalators installed this past month so that's plus. I think they will have to end up doing that to the central pair also. Its still better than Quail, but if their not careful they will fall into a downward spiral.

Penn Square isn't doing as great as it was a couple of years ago. They lost momentum, especially after that flood last summer. Repairs after that were slow to occur. Gap is still closed, Art of Shaving is gone and that old jewelry store is some cheap looking perform and cologne store. Escalators seem to be out every other week. They did get a brand new set of escalators installed this past month so that's plus. I think they will have to end up doing that to the central pair also. Its still better than Quail, but if their not careful they will fall into a downward spiral.

Yeah... That perfume/cologne store looks like it moved in there from Old Paris.

Penn Square isn't doing as great as it was a couple of years ago. They lost momentum, especially after that flood last summer. Repairs after that were slow to occur. Gap is still closed, Art of Shaving is gone and that old jewelry store is some cheap looking perform and cologne store. Escalators seem to be out every other week. They did get a brand new set of escalators installed this past month so that's plus. I think they will have to end up doing that to the central pair also. Its still better than Quail, but if their not careful they will fall into a downward spiral.

I agree. The flood at Penn Square was a significant setback for them and it's hard to believe how long it's taken them to repair the damage. Do you have any idea why?

And I think it's getting close to do or die time for Quail Springs Mall. There is still time to right the ship, but GGP needs to realize it isn't the late '90s anymore and people want/expect different things from malls today than they did then. Thus far they haven't seemed to get the memo.

The parking lots at Penn Square (I live close) remain very full even now after the holidays have passed.

They have added a lot of good tenants just over the last few years: Whiskey Cake, Texas de Brazil, ThinkGeek, Madewell and one of the first totally new Apple stores. That Pottery Barn is a big, nice store as is BC Clark. Their food court is completely full and busy. The theater has been completely remodeled and seems to do well. And of course, OK's first Container Store is under construction.

The flood hurt but they seem to be about as solid as a mall can be these days.

The flood hurt but they seem to be about as solid as a mall can be these days.

I think so too... I've been going over there and walking at lunch when the weather is cold and there is always a lot of people shopping and eating there.

I was in QSM last week to go to a movie. It is starting too look pretty sad. I don't understand the issue. It is in a busy area and the parking lot was packed last weekend. I guess a lot of people go to the movies and nothing else. I'm sure it doesn't help that the Dillards and Penney's look terrible.

Outside of Gap taking forever to reopen, I haven't noticed much of a slip at Penn Square.

The issue is that consumer tastes have shifted away from enclosed malls nationwide. The industry is in free-fall; new enclosed malls are essentially not being built at all and properties are shuttering all over the country at a rapid clip. OKC is simply behind the curve on this, in part because of chronic slow growth in more modern shopping options. That’s changing though, and it will only spell bad news for traditional enclosed malls here.

The strong emergence of online buying has also been tough on malls.

Penn Square benefits from an incredible location, nearby housing density, excellent product mix (thanks to limited competitive upscale retail centers), and that property will chug along for a while yet, though if the Triangle ever takes shape as originally proposed I’d expect it to take some wind out of PSM’s sails.

Quail on the other hand is in trouble I expect. When Chisholm Creek is fully realized and other similar developments inevitably follow I think it will eventually follow Crossroads into the dustbin.

Quail was in trouble the day it opened.

It was built way, way before there was much of anything out there and decades later the majority of the land around it is still empty.

Possibly the biggest (lack of) planning blunder in the history of OKC and that is saying something.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/06/why-no-one-likes-indoor-malls-any-more/?utm_term=.191f8b143da4

http://time.com/4865957/death-and-life-shopping-mall/

Quail was in trouble the day it opened.

It was built way, way before there was much of anything out there and decades later the majority of the land around it is still empty.

Possibly the biggest (lack of) planning blunder in the history of OKC and that is saying something.
Yep. By the way if you read the second link I posted above, you’ll see that the guy who essentially invented the enclosed shopping mall in the 1950s disavowed what they turned into, which didn’t match his original vision. He wanted malls to be town centers to an extent, with office, housing schools etc all connected. Very similar in concept to the better developed “town centers” of today, except inward-facing and indoors.

One of the things mentioned in one of the articles I found interesting to think about: the rise of malls happened when many people didn’t have air conditioning in their homes, and they became a hospitable hangout. I think you can take that one further and consider that many people also didn’t have A/C in their cars until maybe 30 years ago ago. Driving from one place to another to shop carried a heavy discomfort penalty. Much better to land in one air conditioned place and stay there. It’s not nearly so bad these days since pretty much every car has A/C.

^

One of the main reasons I used to go to Shepherd Mall (and French Market Mall and Northpark Mall) was that you could queue for movies in climae-controlled comfort.

It wasn't that long ago that many theaters required you to line up outside while you waited for the biggest blockbuster.

Quail Springs Mall is in trouble for no other reason than its management is out of touch with current consumer tastes and especially what it takes to do an enclosed mall successfully in 2018. The area around QSM is one of the best suburban areas in OKC. The mall should be doing better than it is. It's not suffering from declining demographics in the surrounding neighborhoods like Crossroads did in the early 2000s.

Quail Springs Mall is in trouble for no other reason than its management is out of touch with current consumer tastes and especially what it takes to do an enclosed mall successfully in 2018. The area around QSM is one of the best suburban areas in OKC. The mall should be doing better than it is. It's not suffering from declining demographics in the surrounding neighborhoods like Crossroads did in the early 2000s.

No, but there is a lot of surrounding competition with lots more on the way. I think the indoor mall concept is outdated simply for the reason that people are lazier and don't want to haul what they buy around. Maybe if malls actually became what they were originally envisioned people would have more of a reason to go.

Quail Springs Mall is in trouble for no other reason than its management is out of touch with current consumer tastes and especially what it takes to do an enclosed mall successfully in 2018. The area around QSM is one of the best suburban areas in OKC. The mall should be doing better than it is. It's not suffering from declining demographics in the surrounding neighborhoods like Crossroads did in the early 2000s.
Nobody suggested anything about declining demographics. Only changing consumer tastes. It’s a pretty well-documented national trend; it’s just that OKC is late in following it. The only malls doing well nationally tend to be in dense areas with favorable demographics, and specifically catering to upscale buyers. The only mall in OKC that (sort of) fits the bill is PSM.

Nobody suggested anything about declining demographics. Only changing consumer tastes. It’s a pretty well-documented national trend; it’s just that OKC is late in following it. The only malls doing well nationally tend to be in dense areas with favorable demographics, and specifically catering to upscale buyers. The only mall in OKC that (sort of) fits the bill is PSM.

This is true of Dallas/Fort Worth as well....the only mall that's REALLY doing well (and will continue to do well over the long haul) is Northpark Mall...and that's because it's near some of the wealthiest zip codes in Texas and across the road from a light rail station.

The other malls in D/FW like Grapevine Mills, Valley View, Hulen, Ridgmar, and to a lesser extent thus far, Stonebriar Mall and the Parks Mall are on the decline or have completed the tumble already.

I just this morning read a great article on the success of mall retrofits in Canada right now (sorry, should have grabbed a link). The thing I found most interesting is that it wasn’t necessarily advocating for repurposing a la Shepherd Mall but instead showed that malls were having success by redeveloping their massive parking lots with office and especially housing, and that by doing so they were stabilizing prospects for the retailers, putting people in regular proximity, and even better inviting people from surrounding neighborhoods by making the connection walkable.

It also echoed Pete’s comment that many malls built in farmer’s fields on highways (like Quail) were complete disasters from a planning perspective, in retrospect. It blamed many of the thousands of mall failures on land use rather than changes in consumer buying habits.

The reasons why I no longer shop at a mail is that for so many years they catered to the teens. If you where an older woman it was hard to find stuff. With the exception of like Dillards or so extend JC Penny most of the stuff was way too young for my taste. No fun stores = no shopping. I used to go to Sears for tools and that was about it.

The reasons why I no longer shop at a mail is that for so many years they catered to the teens. If you where an older woman it was hard to find stuff. With the exception of like Dillards or so extend JC Penny most of the stuff was way too young for my taste. No fun stores = no shopping. I used to go to Sears for tools and that was about it.

And that's where Quail Springs Mall is failing. They are targeting that middle class family/teen demographic that was the bread and butter of suburban malls twenty years ago. Penn Square is a little more upscale which is why it's doing well. Go to any major city and it's the same story. Difference is that other cities seem to have an easier time attracting upscale retailers than OKC does.

What Quail Springs Mall needs is a remodel and a few more upscale new-to-market tenants. It would also be beneficial for them to give the theater a face lift as it's starting to become a little dated. If Warren ever builds their planned north side theater, that will spell trouble for the Quail Springs AMC.

As for competition, everything I've seen thus far as that Chisholm Creek is primarily bars/restaurants and destinations like TopGolf and iFly. It doesn't seem like a lot of traditional retail is going in there. That could change, but that's what it seems like at this point.

This is true of Dallas/Fort Worth as well....the only mall that's REALLY doing well (and will continue to do well over the long haul) is Northpark Mall...and that's because it's near some of the wealthiest zip codes in Texas and across the road from a light rail station.

Unless it's taken a sharp downward turn in the past couple of years since I've been there, I would say the Galleria is also doing pretty well.

What seems to be interesting is that most of the middle aged and older patrons of QSM I know quit going there 10 years ago because of all the teenagers roaming around. Now those teens are millenials and they no longer want to go there. LOL.

I also thought it interesting in the article posted (link) a little while back from Time indicated that the first malls were designed to create density, a sense of community, walkability, etc. And now they evolved the opposite way. Guess all the thought on urbanism doesn't pan out but every generation is convinced their way is the ultimate way. LOL.

^^^^^^
The point they were making was that very few were built the way the original developer intended; including the density, housing, etc. Instead subsequent developers cherry picked the easy part and fastest route to cash, which was plopping a shopping center into a farmer's field and screw all of the rest of that nonsense. But those are the ones which are first to pay the price of that very disposable style of development.

This is very similar to the way that some architectural ideas over the years were bastardized in the name of easy profit, for instance Frank Lloyd Wright's Usonian houses, which unwittingly became the template for cheap, assembly line ranch houses in a lot of mediocre suburbs.

Seems like they were built exactly as intended but didn’t induce the kind of other development as expected. The original designer didn’t design in the rest of the developments but expected it.

Unless it's taken a sharp downward turn in the past couple of years since I've been there, I would say the Galleria is also doing pretty well.

Forgot about the Galleria...thanks.

The Galleria is a little unique (and gets at what Urbanized was saying a bit) in that it has multiple uses other than just strictly retail. You have a mix of hotel and office in the Galleria complex as well.

The other malls in D/FW like Grapevine Mills, Valley View, Hulen, Ridgmar, and to a lesser extent thus far, Stonebriar Mall and the Parks Mall are on the decline or have completed the tumble already.

Grapevine Mills is an outlet mall**. Hulen, Ridgemar and Valley View are ghetto malls. Stonebriar is the 4th largest mall in TX and in the fastest growing city in USA. Parks & the Galleria still doing fine and so is Willow Bend.
DFW has 3 major outlets now though at Texas Motor Speedway, Allen, and Grand Prairie plus all of what Dallas has to offer with Mockingbird Station, West Village, Highland Village.

One of the big issues about malls and the lack of mixed-use is that mall developers and owners are almost universally only experienced in retail development.

Simon (Penn Square), General Growth Properties (Quail) and Macerich... Retail is about all they know and it seems their latest solution is always somehow retail / theater / restaurant oriented.

Macerich is the big owner out in California and they have spent tons of money trying to reinvent most their malls. And yet, their solution always seems to be more and more retail, just a different kind.

The Curve wanted to develop multi-family housing as part of its dense development and is now fighting a legal battle over it.

One of the big issues about malls and the lack of mixed-use is that mall developers and owners are almost universally only experienced in retail development.

Simon (Penn Square), General Growth Properties (Quail) and Macerich... Retail is about all they know and it seems their latest solution is always somehow retail / theater / restaurant oriented.

Macerich is the big owner out in California and they have spent tons of money trying to reinvent most their malls. And yet, their solution always seems to be more and more retail, just a different kind.

And here Edmond had a prominent mall developer looking to actually build a mixed use development, shopping with apartment housing, and Edmond residents emphatically said no. Guess they are fine with continuing to send a lot of their retail dollars to OKC.

The Curve wanted to develop multi-family housing as part of its dense development and is now fighting a legal battle over it.

It's frustrating that there have been so many developers who have wanted to raise the retail bar in OKC yet every one of them has faced fierce NIMBY opposition. The most baffling one is the Classen Curve expansion.

The Curve wanted to develop multi-family housing as part of its dense development and is now fighting a legal battle over it.

I seriously doubt anyone would object to adding residential, office or much of anything else to Quail Springs Mall, especially since it is completely surrounded by the same.

And I'll bet that the Classen Curve project gets done after they move past the litigation.

And I'll bet that the Classen Curve project gets done after they move past the litigation.

Do you know how much longer it will be? It's probably been 4-5 years at this point since that was announced.

Do you know how much longer it will be? It's probably been 4-5 years at this point since that was announced.

I don't think they are in a huge rush. They've been busy trying to expand and lease up both Nichols Hills Plaza and Classen Curve.

They've signed a ton of new deals.

BTW, the lawsuit was filed in December of 2015, so it's barely been 2 years.

And here Edmond had a prominent mall developer looking to actually build a mixed use development, shopping with apartment housing, and Edmond residents emphatically said no. Guess they are fine with continuing to send a lot of their retail dollars to OKC.
That project is still happening.

That project is still happening.

Where is this?!

Where is this?!
I’m guessing ontheatrip was referring to Shoppes at Spring Creek which will be at 15th St. and Bryant. It starts construction by spring.

I’m guessing ontheatrip was referring to Shoppes at Spring Creek which will be at 15th St. and Bryant. It starts construction by spring.

Dont think so. Nothing new has been submitted or approved by the city.

Dont think so. Nothing new has been submitted or approved by the city.
It is happening. They submitted to the city again in November and final plans will be submitted in February. I’ll post them once I see it. They are now doing this in phases with some pad sites and the movie theatre being built first.