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jn1780
06-23-2016, 11:00 PM
Quail Springs will be demolished before it becomes a Crossroads.

Patrick
06-24-2016, 10:05 AM
Malls are a thing of the past, literally if retailers haven't started an exit strategy yet, then they are doomed as a business, e commerce is they only way to survive.

People are definitely using e commerce more and more, but I think brick and mortar stores will always have their niche. A lot of people simply like to touch, feel, try on clothing. You just can't do that online.

Upscale malls are doing okay. Just look at the Dallas mall scene. The ones that are struggling are more middle range malls, those trying to compete with discount retailers like Target, Kohls, and Wal-Mart.

Patrick
06-24-2016, 10:07 AM
I think there is too much money around the area for that to happen. Once the area gets really dense, maybe we'll some more progression. If Quail does go down, I'd bet it'd be torn down and replaced with a lifestyle center in a heartbeat. Very prime piece of land.

I think the real problem with Quail is mismanagement. Look at all of the wealth in the immediate vicinity around the mall. There's no reason for management to not go more upscale with that mall.

MagzOK
06-24-2016, 10:08 AM
People are definitely using e commerce more and more, but I think brick and mortar stores will always have their niche. A lot of people simply like to touch, feel, try on clothing. You just can't do that online.

Upscale malls are doing okay. Just look at the Dallas mall scene. The ones that are struggling are more middle range malls, those trying to compete with discount retailers like Target, Kohls, and Wal-Mart.

I think you're spot on.

Pete
06-24-2016, 10:10 AM
Also, the discount malls (like OKC's Outlet Shoppes) do very well.

You don't want to be in the middle ground in any retail segment as you get destroyed by the discounters without having appeal to up-market types who are willing to pay more for a good experience and higher quality.

This is exactly what is happening in the grocery world as well.

SoonerDave
06-24-2016, 10:27 AM
People are definitely using e commerce more and more, but I think brick and mortar stores will always have their niche. A lot of people simply like to touch, feel, try on clothing. You just can't do that online.

Upscale malls are doing okay. Just look at the Dallas mall scene. The ones that are struggling are more middle range malls, those trying to compete with discount retailers like Target, Kohls, and Wal-Mart.

And, despite the next-day or 2nd day shipping of Amazon or whomever, sometimes I just need to get something now to get a project done, and that means a trip to Lowe's or WM or whomever just has it so I can get on with my day and not track a package for 24-48-72 hours. Just like there will always be people who need/prefer a physical book over an e-reader, there will always be brick-and-mortar stores. Absolutes about their demise are just as extreme as suggesting they'll return to their former position in the economy. Reality is in the middle.

jerrywall
06-24-2016, 03:02 PM
It's got to be either high end, or very unique/special to get me to go to the mall. I've been wondering why there are still gamestops malls, for example. Now that there are so many location where I can just pull up and walk in, rather than navigating a mall, I'd never go to a mall for a gamestop (I mean, there's one right by both Quail Springs and Penn Square). But things like Apple Store, Microsoft Store, Lego Shop, Disney Store, some of the specialty clothing shops, etc. And right now, Quail Springs has next to nothing to entice me to shop there. And I live fairly close.

But hey, you can look at storm shelters.

ljbab728
06-24-2016, 11:32 PM
I can't say that I go to malls often, but that is always my destination when shopping for clothes. I would never buy clothes on line. I want to see and feel what I'm getting first. I also go when doing something like Christmas shopping when I don't know what I'm looking for but want to browse to get ideas. Doing something like that on line is pointless.

Tundra
06-24-2016, 11:46 PM
I can't say that I go to malls often, but that is always my destination when shopping for clothes. I would never buy clothes on line. I want to see and feel what I'm getting first. I also go when doing something like Christmas shopping when I don't know what I'm looking for but want to browse to get ideas. Doing something like that on line is pointless.

A large polo shirt, is a large polo shirt.... I'd rather go to the dentist than drive to the mall and buy a shirt, shorts, socks, underwear, etc.... And as far as Christmas ideas, all you have to do is type in Google "Christmas ideas for mom"

ljbab728
06-25-2016, 12:51 AM
A large polo shirt, is a large polo shirt.... I'd rather go to the dentist than drive to the mall and buy a shirt, shorts, socks, underwear, etc.... And as far as Christmas ideas, all you have to do is type in Google "Christmas ideas for mom"
LOL, like I go to the mall for a polo shirt. You just don't have a clue about me and what I look for when I buy. You can google all you want and I'll do what I like to get what I want. I want to see and touch most things before buying. That's especially true of things as personal as Christmas presents. If you don't, that's up to you.

catch22
06-25-2016, 09:28 AM
I agree with lj, many items I can purchase online and have a reasonable expectation of what I will receive. But there are just as many items I want to see in person before buying, or I need it the same day and not 3-7 days later. Clothing and gifts are things I need to see in person. Furniture also. You just don't know how something really looks as often times the photos online differ from what you'll actually receive.

Brick and mortar is here to stay, but they will definitely face some challenges as Amazon continues to increase its presence.

traxx
06-28-2016, 02:57 PM
If Quail does go down, I'd bet it'd be torn down and replaced with a lifestyle center in a heartbeat. Very prime piece of land.

I vote for something like this. I hate the idea of trying to shoehorn something into the QSM building that doesn't really fit or utilize the space well.

poe
06-28-2016, 11:40 PM
Baybrook Mall in Houston is a good example of what would make Quail Springs great. And, it's also a GGP mall.

traxx
06-29-2016, 03:16 PM
Baybrook Mall in Houston is a good example of what would make Quail Springs great. And, it's also a GGP mall.

So it's basically what Penn Square was before it was enclosed.

bradh
06-29-2016, 08:43 PM
A large polo shirt, is a large polo shirt.... I'd rather go to the dentist than drive to the mall and buy a shirt, shorts, socks, underwear, etc.... And as far as Christmas ideas, all you have to do is type in Google "Christmas ideas for mom"

Like hell a large polo is a large polo. I shop at 3 or 4 mainstream shops for polos and not any two from any of those stores fit the same.

Chadanth
06-29-2016, 08:53 PM
Like hell a large polo is a large polo. I shop at 3 or 4 mainstream shops for polos and not any two from any of those stores fit the same.

Pfft. Go custom or go home.

chuck5815
06-29-2016, 09:07 PM
Pfft. Go custom or go home.

bespoke polos? sign me up.

bradh
06-29-2016, 09:18 PM
Pfft. Go custom or go home.

Man I need it, you have a rec that won't break the bank? There aren't a lot of 5'9" 200lb guys out there who wear 44 jackets. Large shirts look like they are from Baby Gap and XL's fit like mini skirts

Pete
07-21-2016, 05:24 AM
They are remodeling and expanding one of the theaters at the AMC at Quail Springs; plans also show "Phase 1" which implies there will be more work done.



http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amc1.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/amc2.jpg

Thomas Vu
07-21-2016, 10:41 AM
I suppose this isn't going to be one of the AMC's where I can select my seat ahead of time?

baralheia
07-21-2016, 10:49 AM
Based on the first drawing showing the interior of Auditorium #23, it looks like they are installing the same electric reclining, plush seating that they have over at Penn Square. If that's the case, it would not surprise me if they went through and did this auditorium by auditorium. If that's the case, they'll likely start with the big four (#1, #2, #23, #24) then work their way through the remaining ones. That theatre opened in '98 and though it's always been well maintained, the nearly 20 year-old auditorium seating could certainly use a refresh.

Ginkasa
07-21-2016, 02:23 PM
Based on the first drawing showing the interior of Auditorium #23, it looks like they are installing the same electric reclining, plush seating that they have over at Penn Square. If that's the case, it would not surprise me if they went through and did this auditorium by auditorium. If that's the case, they'll likely start with the big four (#1, #2, #23, #24) then work their way through the remaining ones. That theatre opened in '98 and though it's always been well maintained, the nearly 20 year-old auditorium seating could certainly use a refresh.

I agree and, to touch on Thomas's specific question, I would presume if they're adding the recliner seats they're going to start reserving those seats as well.

Pete
07-21-2016, 02:47 PM
In the construction docs, they do have a 'seat numbering plan' which tells you they will be doing assigned seating and moving this auditorium towards the Penn Square model.

And I think it's correct to assume that at least the 4 larger auditoriums will get the same treatment; and maybe beyond that.

They must of have read here that Warren is looking very nearby. :)

traxx
07-25-2016, 12:52 PM
That theatre opened in '98 and though it's always been well maintained, the nearly 20 year-old auditorium seating could certainly use a refresh.

Wow. Hard to believe that it's been almost 20 years.

baralheia
07-25-2016, 01:30 PM
It's kind of wild, isn't it? Honestly, the only reason I know is because I used to work there! It was my first job in 2001. I miss the old uniforms there... they issued white aviator shirts with epaulettes and black slacks (the color of the epaulettes that determined the employee's position). It fit the whole "spaceship" theme of that theater extremely well. But yeah... December 18, 1998 was opening day for that theater.

FighttheGoodFight
07-25-2016, 01:51 PM
It's kind of wild, isn't it? Honestly, the only reason I know is because I used to work there! It was my first job in 2001. I miss the old uniforms there... they issued white aviator shirts with epaulettes and black slacks (the color of the epaulettes that determined the employee's position). It fit the whole "spaceship" theme of that theater extremely well. But yeah... December 18, 1998 was opening day for that theater.

Haha it was my second job there in 2005 through 2007. I know when it opened because of a certain code to enter certain rooms was the opening date. I hope they have changed that by now!

baralheia
07-25-2016, 01:59 PM
Haha, yep, that's how I remember it too! I was surprised how long they used that code for. I'm nearly positive they no longer use it... at least, I really hope they don't!

You know, honestly, working in the theater industry was the most fun I've ever had at a job. My second job was projectionist at Dickinson Penn Square and that was an absolute blast. I don't miss the pay, but I do miss the job.

Insider
07-28-2016, 03:39 PM
I worked at AMC Quail Springs from August 2001 - May 2005 while I was in college, so I probably worked with both of you! I agree that while I do not miss the pay, I really do miss the job. I had a blast working there... free movies, free popcorn, free soda... it was great! I actually met my now wife working there!!

FighttheGoodFight
07-28-2016, 03:57 PM
I worked at AMC Quail Springs from August 2001 - May 2005 while I was in college, so I probably worked with both of you! I agree that while I do not miss the pay, I really do miss the job. I had a blast working there... free movies, free popcorn, free soda... it was great! I actually met my now wife working there!!

I loved the job as well. Great high school job.

I went there not too long ago for the first time. They have really made some nice improvements. People get their own sodas so the workers don't get soda thrown in their faces when it has "too little ice" (yes this happened).

I enjoyed the 1 dollar hotdogs. I also have not eaten popcorn since I quit. It burned me out...

Patrick
08-04-2016, 06:17 PM
Looks like Costco is looking at the Macy's space at Quail Springs.

baralheia
08-04-2016, 08:01 PM
NewsOK did an article on this today. Would be a really strange location for a Costco and I doubt they'd be able to (or even want to) reuse the old building. And the article kind of contradicts itself. So is Costco coming to QSM? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

http://newsok.com/costco-wholesale-wants-closed-oklahoma-city-macys-firm-says/article/5512507?custom_click=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+newsok%2Fbusiness+%28NewsOK.c om+RSS+-+business%29

progressiveboy
08-04-2016, 08:15 PM
Agree that it is somewhat a strange location. Is this the highest and best use for this piece of property? However, if Costco did use that location, they would spend lots of money to repurpose and rehab the building. If they did divide the space, perhaps Belk could take the other part of the building??

jn1780
08-04-2016, 08:26 PM
I really doubt Costco will pick this site. The visibility and access to the old Macy's spot is not that great. Having an entrance from inside of the mall doesn't seem that beneficial either. A good chuck of people are going to want easy access to their cars so they can get a shopping cart to them.

d-usa
08-04-2016, 08:30 PM
A mall-anchor Costco just seems very...weird.

I'm always surprised that there aren't any more stores situated in all the empty parcels around the mall, and I could see a Costco going into one of those spots though.

jn1780
08-04-2016, 08:44 PM
I look it up, there are a few cases of Costco's being attached to malls. Doesn't seem like a great plan for the Oklahoma City market though especially for an anchor spot at the back of the mall.

Insider
08-05-2016, 07:26 AM
Just as an example, take a look at Cumberland Mall in Atlanta, GA. Costco bought the old JCPenny store and parking lot when it closed its mall location, tore down the old JCPenny building, and built a new Costco store in the parking lot. This location does very well.

This is just one example and probably not the best example of what could happen here because Quail's space has a 'basement'. It is just an example where Costco bought a mall anchor building and built a store.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cumberland+Mall/@33.8803621,-84.4692147,587m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88f51044eaa06593:0x1a419 ce4d1820fdb!8m2!3d33.8801064!4d-84.468596

traxx
08-05-2016, 08:59 AM
Macy's will be used by some government organization and QSM will start it's slide into becoming a larger version of Shepherd Mall.

jn1780
08-05-2016, 09:45 AM
Macy's will be used by some government organization and QSM will start it's slide into becoming a larger version of Shepherd Mall.

I think the owners will redevelop or sell off the mall to developers before it gets that bad. Too much money in the area to turn completely to crap.

traxx
08-05-2016, 10:03 AM
I think the owners will redevelop or sell off the mall to developers before it gets that bad. Too much money in the area to turn completely to crap.

I agree. I was just joking.

Patrick
08-27-2016, 02:45 PM
Von Maur is not doing well. Another sign that sales at Quail aren't doing well.

http://m.newsok.com/von-maur-misses-sales-goal-for-oklahoma-city-incentive-money/article/5515313?rotator=true

Jeepnokc
08-30-2016, 08:39 PM
Von Maur is not doing well. Another sign that sales at Quail aren't doing well.

http://m.newsok.com/von-maur-misses-sales-goal-for-oklahoma-city-incentive-money/article/5515313?rotator=true
Didn't make sales target for incentive but same article says that the owners are still pleased with sales and have considered opening another store in OKC in the future.

jbkrems
08-30-2016, 09:54 PM
Like I said in another post, my girlfriend and I were in Von Maur on Saturday for her to buy me some nice Peter Millar shirts for my birthday. They fit great and she was able to take advantage of some good deals at Von Maur. We would definitely go back!

Plutonic Panda
08-30-2016, 10:00 PM
Didn't make sales target for incentive but same article says that the owners are still pleased with sales and have considered opening another store in OKC in the future.

That's great news then.

d-usa
09-14-2016, 07:33 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2016-09-14/department-stores-leaving-malls-is-fine-by-mall-owners

traxx
09-15-2016, 04:26 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2016-09-14/department-stores-leaving-malls-is-fine-by-mall-owners

I can understand what they're saying but replacing anchors with the likes of TJ Maxx, Dick's, and LA Fitness doesn't seem like a winning plan.

Pete
09-15-2016, 04:43 PM
I think traditional departments stores are generating less foot traffic and sales these days, plus they are all dying on the vine.

Almost all will need to be replaced in the next 5-10 years.

Pete
01-02-2017, 11:25 AM
Macy's to be demolished (http://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=352-Macy-s-at-Quail-Springs-Mall-to-be-demolished-massive-Life-Time-Fitness-complex-to-take-its-place)

Permits have been filed to construct a huge new Life Time Fitness center on the site of the old Macy's department store on the north side Quail Springs Mall.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/lifetimequail.jpg


Macy's closed earlier this year as a part of a corporate-wide downsizing and the company sold the building and land to General Growth Properties, the owners of the mall.

As OKCTalk reported in May (http://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=292-Life-time-Fitness-coming-to-OKC), Life Time had entered into contract to buy property at the southeast corner of Memorial and Western but recently backed out of that deal and put the old Macy's property under contract.

This would be the first and likely only Oklahoma City location for Life Time, a private company based in Minnesota with approximately 100 centers operating in the U.S. and Canada. Membership fees typically run about $60 per month for an individual.

The center would be one of the largest in the country, with 181,400 square feet of enclosed space including indoor tennis courts, 400 pieces of exercise equipment, basketball courts, exercise studios, daycare facilities and two health food areas.

There would also be four outdoor tennis courts, and a huge pool and spa area.

Plans show the building would be detached from the mall with parking positioned between Life Time and a new northwest mall entry.

Construction cost not including furniture, fixtures and equipment is estimated at a whopping $28.5 million.

With the contraction of traditional department stores, enclosed malls have sought new tenants and inventive ways to fill their space and attract patrons. The high concentration of apartments and high incomes in the immediate area fit Life Time's business model.

No closing date has been set for the property sale but building permits have already been submitted.



http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/lifetimequail10.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/lifetime1.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/lifetime2.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/lifetime3.jpg

OkiePoke
01-02-2017, 11:41 AM
WOW. Definitely wasn't expecting that, but that is probably the best thing that QSM could have asked for to happen.

jerrywall
01-02-2017, 11:45 AM
I bet this could lead to some neat boutique shops opening up in and around QSM.

Dustin
01-02-2017, 02:51 PM
Say whhhhaaaatttt???

Did not expect this!

bradh
01-02-2017, 03:07 PM
wow that is an aggressive plan, i love it!

Access in and our of there though is going to be a giant CF

Plutonic Panda
01-02-2017, 04:31 PM
Something really needs to be done about the surrounding streets. They need to be made 4 lanes and possibly realigned. The whole parking issue is a mess. Just about every parking space other than VM should be resurfaced and preferably in cement. It would be nice to see structured parking added. The entire mall needs renovated as do a lot of the department stores. It's also weird how the mall is completely disconnected from the apartments directly to the north. The whole area around QS just feels very cheaply thrown together and this won't fix it. Not excited at all about this.

Imo, I love indoor suburban malls, but QS should either get torn down and rebuilt as a lifestyle center or some major investment to the tune off a $100 million.

To me, this just seems as if they're scattering to throw in as many cool little gimmicks as they can and not thinking out a long term plan unless this is it and they plan something else major along with this.

Thomas Vu
01-02-2017, 08:02 PM
This pleases me.

rezman
01-03-2017, 07:51 AM
wow that is an aggressive plan, i love it!

Access in and our of there though is going to be a giant CF

Amen brother. ... I've long thought that access to the north from 150th should have been installed years ago. I've come to avoid that whole area as much as I can.

bombermwc
01-03-2017, 07:59 AM
Well this is a complete and total waste of land use and extremely disappointing. So in a couple of years when the place fails to be economically viable, we will have a detached out-building (with a pool) that doesn't help traffic with the mall. One can only hope the mall would use that opportunity to expand the mall to meet the building and add some stores. It's really too small to be viable as a long-living mall today anyway.

bradh
01-03-2017, 08:16 AM
Well this is a complete and total waste of land use and extremely disappointing. So in a couple of years when the place fails to be economically viable, we will have a detached out-building (with a pool) that doesn't help traffic with the mall. One can only hope the mall would use that opportunity to expand the mall to meet the building and add some stores. It's really too small to be viable as a long-living mall today anyway.

Someone's never set foot in a Lifetime Fitness. If anything this will put Gold's out of business.

jerrywall
01-03-2017, 09:08 AM
There are several lots around there available for development. While also increasing traffic to the mall, this will provide a "lifestyle center" type environment, with shopping, fitness, and dining, in a very close area. And comparing Lifetime Fitness to Gold's is like comparing gourmet dining to McDonald's. This will be a destination facility.

Anonymous.
01-03-2017, 09:11 AM
Well this is a complete and total waste of land use and extremely disappointing. So in a couple of years when the place fails to be economically viable, we will have a detached out-building (with a pool) that doesn't help traffic with the mall. One can only hope the mall would use that opportunity to expand the mall to meet the building and add some stores. It's really too small to be viable as a long-living mall today anyway.

I don't think you understand what this is. Lifetime Fitness is basically about to takeover the entire gym market for the whole QSM area. This is a big power-move to monopolize the exploding area.

soonermike81
01-03-2017, 09:28 AM
I have never been in a Lifetime Fitness but have heard how awesome they are. Question is, will this really mean that all their competition in the area is going to cease to exist? I mean, the price point is twice that of Gold's, correct? If that is the case, I would think that many consumers will be priced out. Or is there already a trend of gyms closing their doors when Lifetime opens up nearby?

jbrown84
01-06-2017, 02:35 PM
I can see them adding an exterior H&M entrance when they redo that section of the building. This was done at GGP-owned Hulen Mall in Fort Worth and it looks really nice. Can't find a pic.