My wife and I walked around PSM, both floors, all wings. There is definitely not a Disney Store there, although I would be surprised to see one open.

Well don't they still have a Disney Store at the Outlet mall?

There is a store at the outlet, but it doesn't do the pre-orders for their Limited Edition Dolls (my wife collects them). They also don't always carry the same items that can be found at the Disney Store.

I heard a rumor that they will be opening in Penn Square. Do you know if that is true?

That is the rumor I also heard. I do know that most of the full time employees at the Disney Store are transferring to the Outlet.

I am certain that there was in the early 2000s. However it has not been here since I moved back to OKC.

Disney in PSM closed and Williams Sonoma moved across the streets from 50Penn into their space somewhere in that general time frame.

Aha. That explains it!

Found out yesterday that Baby Gap is closing it's store and they are moving to a space inside the Gap. So just in the past few months Quail has had at least 6 stores close.

I'm not a fan of how you have to go through the mall and then the food court to get into the theater. Of course that was probably done by design to get more mall traffic. At least you can get *out* of the theater without having to go back through the mall.

Found out yesterday that Baby Gap is closing it's store and they are moving to a space inside the Gap. So just in the past few months Quail has had at least 6 stores close.

I wonder how much of that is due to businesses failing and how much is due to shuffling tenants. The rumor is that at least Disney's lease was bought out for H&M, which would be HUGE for the mall if that rumor ends up panning out.

Most of the tenants that have left Quail in the past few months are struggling businesses that are closing most of their locations ( DEB, Body Central, Wet Seal) or their lease has been bought out ( Disney Store, Auntie Anne's, Cinnamonster, possibly the old A and F) and Quail is doing fine compared to a lot of malls in the US right now ( for example Tulsa Promenade has quite a bit of empty spaces, lower end tenants and is really outdated looking inside. It's like walking into 2005 Crossroads.)

Most of the tenants that have left Quail in the past few months are struggling businesses that are closing most of their locations ( DEB, Body Central, Wet Seal) or their lease has been bought out ( Disney Store, Auntie Anne's, Cinnamonster, possibly the old A and F) and Quail is doing fine compared to a lot of malls in the US right now ( for example Tulsa Promenade has quite a bit of empty spaces, lower end tenants and is really outdated looking inside. It's like walking into 2005 Crossroads.)

Good to hear. Losing some of those tenants may actually be a good thing because it will open up space for better stores. With Von Maur there and if something like H&M is coming to the mall, I don't think there needs to be much worry about its ability to bring in quality tenants. I agree about Tulsa Promenade and 2005 Crossroads. While technically it was the 2008 recession that was the end for crossroads, all the signs were there in 2005 that the mall didn't have a lot of time left.

Well people say they want higher quality stores at Penn Square. The mall can't just roll from one lease into the next lease. Businesses are on their own schedules.

We lost our Pendleton store in Edmond because I was told people just did not want to pay the full price on items and would wait for them to mark stuff down before buying. They could not make money doing that so they just closed the store. Now if one wants to shop Pendleton, we can just drive to Tulsa.

I never realized Edmond had a Pendleton store. Where was it?

There used to be a Pendleton store in 50 Penn

Pendleton moved out of 50 Penn and opened at spring creek plaza. They closed that store about a year ago. Not surprised that a store full of flannel and wool things struggles in a state where 7-8 months of the year it is very warm.

Pendleton moved out of 50 Penn and opened at spring creek plaza. They closed that store about a year ago. Not surprised that a store full of flannel and wool things struggles in a state where 7-8 months of the year it is very warm.

bahaha, right.

They should have moved to the Plaza district, hipsters can't get enough flannel.

One more reason to think the H&M rumors might have legs is that the 'convenience store' and Orange Julius, which were upstairs in front of the A&F space, have been moved down to the food court.

To add more fuel to the H and M rumors, Journey's is about to move into the old Suncoast space , Ruth's has moved into the old Wet Seal space and Exit is closing soon. Oh and there's now an OJ/DQ hybrid store in the food court :D

It's like walking into 2005 Crossroads.)

Ouch! I used to work in Crossroads back in the very early 90's. It was THE mall back then.
Fast forward to 2009, I was working for a grease-containment company and I had to get on the roof of Crossroads. Walking on the roof was less scary than walking in the mall at that time.

Went to Quail today and there are a ton of closed spaces. Not sure what all the hype is about. I was extremely disappointed with how many closed storefronts there were. And the Cash n gold store where Pearl Vision used to be seems to be the norm. There are a lot of businesses opening up like that.

It was a Warner Bothers store at Penn Square. Different franchise but similar set up.

Dead malls: Half of America's shopping centres predicted to close by 2030 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-28/the-decline-of-american-shopping-malls/6050956)

Went to Quail today and there are a ton of closed spaces. Not sure what all the hype is about. I was extremely disappointed with how many closed storefronts there were. And the Cash n gold store where Pearl Vision used to be seems to be the norm. There are a lot of businesses opening up like that.

The mall has suffered lately because some national chains such as Wet Seal closing plus shuffling to prepare for H&M. Hopefully once H&M opens the mall will be able to attract some additional quality tenants. It's never a good sign though when you start seeing stores like Cash N Gold replace national tenants.

OKC is large enough for two thriving malls, especially with Penn Square being such a small mall. Quail Springs being so close to the booming high-income suburban growth in NW OKC and Edmond is in too good of a location to fail. Anybody who thinks the shopping mall concept is dead should take a trip to Dallas.

Quail is struggling even among the national retailers. I know they're struggling, but the entire Abercrombie chain moved all 3 of their stores out of the mall. Disney store closed....they had plenty of other empty locations where they could've relocated. Limited no longer has a presence in the mall. Gap has consolidated.

Quail is just missing a lot of the more upscale retailers that you see in more common malls, like J. Crew, Banana Republic, Ann Taylor, Chicos, Cache, White House Black Market, Jos A Bank, Coldwater Creek, Sephora, Eddie Bauer, Michael Kors, Coach, Apple Store, Microsoft Store, J. Jill, Pottery Barn, Brookstone, Limited, Vera Bradley, Fossil, Abercombie and Fitch, Williams Sonoma, Build a Bear, Gymboree, just to name a few.

Coldwater Creek is out of business nationally. Abercrombie's popularity has been plummeting since the late 2000s so its not really surprising they pulled out. Some of those others could and should have locations in Quail Springs. Disney should have relocated rather than pulling out completely. It really is worrisome. I remember in the early 2000s Crossroads slowly started to bleed national tenants and replace them with poorly-run mom and pop stores. If GGP doesn't turn it around, Quail could be going down the same path. If it wasn't for Von Maur and H&M, I would say the ship has already sailed.

There is a lot of new development along Memorial and these higher end stores would rather be at places like Chisholm Creek than Quail Springs mall. If Warren or someone else ever decides to build a nicer theater along Memorial that will be the end of Quail Springs.

There is a lot of new development along Memorial and these higher end stores would rather be at places like Chisholm Creek than Quail Springs mall. If Warren or someone else ever decides to build a nicer theater along Memorial that will be the end of Quail Springs.

I think you may be right. I personally can't stand the QSM theater and wish there was a more up to date option in north OKC. It's nowhere near as comfortable, the sound system isn't as good, and the screens are smaller than the Harkins or even Cinemark. If Chisholm Creek adds a theater I have a feeling that will be it for QSM.

There was going to be a Warren not far from there, but it never happened, which is too bad.

With all the closures and shifting, where is there space in the mall for H&M who needs two levels?

I think the rumor was it was going in front of the food court area, where the Disney store was and I think aeropostale or one of those stores.

Yeah it's going in where Abercrombie , Journey's , Disney Store, Francesca's and Ruth's used to be apparently. Journey's is moving next to Aeropostale where Suncoast used to be and not sure about Francesca's.

It's official:

OKCTalk - H&M coming to Quail Springs Mall (http://www.okctalk.com/content/117-h-m-coming.html)

Good news. This is big for OKC and for Quail Springs Mall.

So, QSM isn't dead after all? Not the next Crossroads?

This is a really good addition for QSM. It brings a good demographic draw...young, more fashion forward (but not too much so). My wife has been a H&M shopper from years back when we were spending a lot of time in Europe. She is excited.

Now, if we could land a Zara it would be great.

Good news. This is big for OKC and for Quail Springs Mall.

so do you promise to stop saying the mall is dying?

Quail dying??? Bwahahahaha, Far from it!!!

This is really really big. Hopefully jc Penny closes and a Nordstrom comes in.

so do you promise to stop saying the mall is dying?

No, they might as well rename the mall Crossroads because that's the way it's headed. J/K! :D

Seriously though before Von Maur and now H&M, the mall was starting to look like the Tulsa Promenade which is definitely in a state of decline. The owners acted just in time. Now if only they would remodel Dillard's and Macy's and upgrade the Theater.


This is really really big. Hopefully jc Penny closes and a Nordstrom comes in.

If this were to happen I would rather see it at Penn than Quail.

No, they might as well rename the mall Crossroads because that's the way it's headed. J/K! :D

Seriously though before Von Maur and now H&M, the mall was starting to look like the Tulsa Promenade which is definitely in a state of decline. The owners acted just in time. Now if only they would remodel Dillard's and Macy's and upgrade the Theater.



If this were to happen I would rather see it at Penn than Quail.

Yea, Nordstrom's would be better at Penn plus I like JCPenney at Quail!!!

No, they might as well rename the mall Crossroads because that's the way it's headed. J/K! :D

Seriously though before Von Maur and now H&M, the mall was starting to look like the Tulsa Promenade which is definitely in a state of decline. The owners acted just in time. Now if only they would remodel Dillard's and Macy's and upgrade the Theater.



If this were to happen I would rather see it at Penn than Quail.
Agreed if it wasn't for H&M and Von Maur, Quail would be Crossroads 2.0/Promenade and most likely Macy's and/or Dillards would've moved to Chisolm Creek.
For some reason I can't imagine a Nordstrom right near a Nordstrom Rack. And yeah Tulsa promenade has been on a slow decline for years, They've lost tenants like GAP, Pacsun, Express and most recently Lane Bryant Deb and Body Central. They're trying to renovate the mall and bring in more tenants, but I can't see that saving Promenade especially if an outlet mall (or 3) is built in Tulsa.

No, they might as well rename the mall Crossroads because that's the way it's headed. J/K! :D

Seriously though before Von Maur and now H&M, the mall was starting to look like the Tulsa Promenade which is definitely in a state of decline. The owners acted just in time. Now if only they would remodel Dillard's and Macy's and upgrade the Theater.



If this were to happen I would rather see it at Penn than Quail.

I think Nordstrom rack killed that plus the proximity to edmond and turnpike access would be appealing to locate to QSM.

I don't think there is any chance Oklahoma is going to get a Nordstrom any time soon but it won't be because of Nordstrom Rack.

Out here, there are several locations where both stores are almost next to each other.

The OKCtalk facebook page is blowing up, getting close to 200 likes on the H&M update.

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No, they might as well rename the mall Crossroads because that's the way it's headed. J/K! :D

Seriously though before Von Maur and now H&M, the mall was starting to look like the Tulsa Promenade which is definitely in a state of decline. The owners acted just in time. Now if only they would remodel Dillard's and Macy's and upgrade the Theater.



If this were to happen I would rather see it at Penn than Quail.

In no way has Quail ever started to resemble the Tulsa Prominade...not even close.

I don't think there is any chance Oklahoma is going to get a Nordstrom any time soon but it won't be because of Nordstrom Rack.

Out here, there are several locations where both stores are almost next to each other.

Agreed. I don't see it happening for quite some time. However, given the proximity of the Rack to PSM, it's not entirely out of the question. Nordstrom Rack is designed to grow its customers into full-line Nordstrom customers. Depending on how well Rack does that job in OKC could determine a future full-line store.

When will Qauil Springs get John A. Brown?

Agreed if it wasn't for H&M and Von Maur, Quail would be Crossroads 2.0/Promenade and most likely Macy's and/or Dillards would've moved to Chisolm Creek.
For some reason I can't imagine a Nordstrom right near a Nordstrom Rack. And yeah Tulsa promenade has been on a slow decline for years, They've lost tenants like GAP, Pacsun, Express and most recently Lane Bryant Deb and Body Central. They're trying to renovate the mall and bring in more tenants, but I can't see that saving Promenade especially if an outlet mall (or 3) is built in Tulsa.


Tulsa Promenade Mall preparing for new national retailers, working to complete renovations - KJRH.com (http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/tulsa-promenade-mall-preparing-for-new-national-retailers-working-to-complete-renovations)

BTW, Quail Springs isn't done.

They have purposely cleared out tenants and there is still some vacancy besides the H&M space, and they are seeking some nicer stores.

They believe Chisholm Creek will actually help them attract some higher end retailers.

That's awesome. Any hints to what additional retailers QSM is getting?

Not sure but I know they are actively working on several deals.

Getting Von Maur and H&M will help them a great deal.

Really happy that H&M is official, but I'm sad QSM kicked out Disney Store!
Does anyone know if they will reopen somewhere else, or is the Outlet Shoppes location the only option for the state now?

BTW, Quail Springs isn't done.

They have purposely cleared out tenants and there is still some vacancy besides the H&M space, and they are seeking some nicer stores.

They believe Chisholm Creek will actually help them attract some higher end retailers.

I've always thought that Chisholm Creek would help QSM, just like the 71st & Memorial - Garnett corridor in Tulsa. The more that builds along 71st, the stronger Woodland Hills gets. It would be nice if the area wasn't completely cut up by the highway, though.

I really don't see QSM going any where. Hopefully Von Maur inspires Macy's and Dillards to update. If that happens the mall would really feel pretty strong. And if they got rid of the North-South facing sliding doors that never close would help too.

Not sure but I know they are actively working on several deals.

Getting Von Maur and H&M will help them a great deal.

Zara stores are often located adjacent to or very near H&M stores. Might be a possibility or Top Shop - these are the things the dad of a teenage girl learns.

I really don't see QSM going any where. Hopefully Von Maur inspires Macy's and Dillards to update. If that happens the mall would really feel pretty strong. And if they got rid of the North-South facing sliding doors that never close would help too.

I agree. The QSM locations for Macy's and Dillard's are so outdated its unbelievable. Its almost like they aren't even the same store as the Penn Square locations. I always try to shop there but usually end up at Penn anyways because there is a lot that they don't have. Hopefully Von Maur and now H&M inspires them to do a remodel.

^I like the Dillards way more at Penn Sq. That area is booming, so you know the mall will become better as time goes on.

I don't know that we've ever had 3 malls aggressively trying to upgrade and expand at the same time here. Will be interesting to see who brings which tenants and if OKC has the volume to support all of it.

I don't know that we've ever had 3 malls aggressively trying to upgrade and expand at the same time here. Will be interesting to see who brings which tenants and if OKC has the volume to support all of it.

Who are the three? QSM, ... Penn Square? Outlet? Crossroads? Chisolm Creek?
Not argumentative. Just curious who you were referring to.

I agree. The QSM locations for Macy's and Dillard's are so outdated its unbelievable. Its almost like they aren't even the same store as the Penn Square locations. I always try to shop there but usually end up at Penn anyways because there is a lot that they don't have. Hopefully Von Maur and now H&M inspires them to do a remodel.

I am pretty sure the Dillard's at Woodland Hills in Tulsa has been updated twice since the last time the QSM location has been changed. At least the QSM location still has the same flooring the Woodland store had two remodels ago (~20 years ago).

Who are the three? QSM, ... Penn Square? Outlet? Crossroads? Chisolm Creek?
Not argumentative. Just curious who you were referring to.

Probably QSM, Chisholm Creek, and Glimcher.

Probably QSM, Chisholm Creek, and Glimcher.

I was just talking about Penn, Quail, and the Outlet. I consider those to be actual malls, while Chisolm Creek and Glimcher are more lifestyle centers. Penn may not be expanding in size, but it has remodeled and upped it's tenant game. My point is that the last time Penn or Quail had ever tried, there was no Outlet. But you make a good point that Chisolm Creek and Glimcher will also be adding to the retail mix around here. I personally love it. I just wonder if the malls are fighting each other to get certain tenants and how the city will respond to the new found competition.

All good things, just business nerd curiosity.