There is a Halloween store where Abercrombie used to be. Lame.They had that before, a few years ago I think. In al honesty, I don't think it is that bad as long as they carry some quality merchandise.

Was there on Wednesday and walked past two guys talking, one of whom said "this mall just isn't fun anymore".

Was there on Wednesday and walked past two guys talking, one of whom said "this mall just isn't fun anymore".

Well, there you go....indisputable proof it is doomed. LOL

Was there on Wednesday and walked past two guys talking, one of whom said "this mall just isn't fun anymore".

Well with Von Maur and possibly H and M coming soon,GGP has a chance to turnaround the mall so it's "fun again" and add some decent tenants

They have probably demolished 60 percent of the old Sears building. I can see why its not opening until Fall 2014 now. It would probably be faster if they just demolished the whole thing and rebuilt from scratch.

Just updated the article at the top of the page with all the history of this property, including when it was first proposed in 1972, the original tenant list from 1980, etc.

They have probably demolished 60 percent of the old Sears building. I can see why its not opening until Fall 2014 now. It would probably be faster if they just demolished the whole thing and rebuilt from scratch.We went to Quail Saturday and I walked around outside that end to have a close look. My first thought was that if you're going to demolish as much as they did it's almost always faster, and often cheaper to go to dirt and start from scratch.

The finishes in Dillard's have not been updated since opening day. Last time I was in the children's clothing area, my kid crawled on the same carpet I did at that age...

Grody

I am not sure if it's been mentioned yet but Hollister has closed. It seems like more name-brand stores are leaving the mall than opening. It really reminds me of early 2000s Crossroads. The mall was still relevant, but signs were starting to show of its demise. Hopefully Von Maur coming signals a turning point for the mall.

Yeah, seriously, enclosed malls in general are struggling. Consumer tastes have changed greatly, and they have become an anachronism. The thriving Penn Square Mall is an aberration not just locally, but nationally. Its success probably disguises the trend for the local market, and makes us more surprised than we should be when other local malls struggle. It's not so much a comment on Quail as it is the industry in general. In fact, if the theater had not been built there in the late nineties the mall would probably already be in serious, serious trouble. Hopefully they can find more ways to stave off the trend and stay relevant (Von Maur will help), but the main secret to PSM's success is its geographical location.

I am not sure if it's been mentioned yet but Hollister has closed. It seems like more name-brand stores are leaving the mall than opening. It really reminds me of early 2000s Crossroads. The mall was still relevant, but signs were starting to show of its demise. Hopefully Von Maur coming signals a turning point for the mall.

Abercrombie & Fitch Closing 180 Stores By 2015 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/15/abercrombie-closing-stores-2012_n_1280199.html)

Abercrombie and Fitch owns Hollister

Yeah, seriously, enclosed malls in general are struggling. Consumer tastes have changed greatly, and they have become an anachronism. The thriving Penn Square Mall is an aberration not just locally, but nationally. Its success probably disguises the trend for the local market, and makes us more surprised than we should be when other local malls struggle. It's not so much a comment on Quail as it is the industry in general. In fact, if the theater had not been built there in the late nineties the mall would probably already be in serious, serious trouble. Hopefully they can find more ways to stave off the trend and stay relevant (Von Maur will help), but the main secret to PSM's success is its geographical location.

Some enclosed malls are struggling but it really isn't that black and white. You have to consider the reasons enclosed malls are struggling and where they are doing so. Penn Square isn't an aberration and there is more to Quail Springs' woes than simply national trends. For one, OKC doesn't have lifestyle centers competing with the malls like other cities do. Elsewhere, its the growth of lifestyle centers that have hurt the malls. What does OKC have competing with the malls other than Wal-Mart Supercenters everywhere?

Let me use Charlotte as an example. Yes, it's a larger city than OKC but not that much so. That city has three thriving malls, the worst of which puts even Penn Square to shame, plus numerous lifestyle centers on top of that. They also had a huge mall, Eastland, that was very much like Crossroads and it ended up failing. In addition, there were smaller malls, much like Heritage Park that also failed within the past decade. The remaining malls are doing fine. Nationally, upscale malls are doing well all around. Its the Crossroads' and Eastlands of the world that are failing.

A city the size of OKC without a single lifestyle center should be able to support more than one enclosed mall and there is no reason for Quail Springs to be struggling. None whatsoever.

Some enclosed malls are struggling but it really isn't that black and white. You have to consider the reasons enclosed malls are struggling and where they are doing so. Penn Square isn't an aberration and there is more to Quail Springs' woes than simply national trends. For one, OKC doesn't have lifestyle centers competing with the malls like other cities do. Elsewhere, its the growth of lifestyle centers that have hurt the malls. What does OKC have other than Wal-Mart Supercenters everywhere?

Let me use Charlotte as an example. Yes, it's a larger city than OKC but not that much so. That city has three thriving malls, the worst of which puts even Penn Square to shame, plus numerous lifestyle centers on top of that. They also had a huge mall, Eastland, that was very much like Crossroads and it ended up failing. In addition, there were smaller malls, much like Heritage Park that also failed within the past decade. The remaining malls are doing fine. Nationally, upscale malls are doing well all around. Its the Crossroads' and Eastlands of the world that are failing.

A city the size of OKC without a single lifestyle center should be able to support more than one enclosed mall and there is no reason for Quail Springs to be struggling. None whatsoever.

It's been a while since we've had one of these...

Here's a thought, maybe people just don't like A&F or Hollister's clothes anymore. Honestly, I'd wager that most people are probably going low end for clothes, or high end, leaving the middle ground like these stores out.

It's been a while since we've had one of these...

Here's a thought, maybe people just don't like A&F or Hollister's clothes anymore. Honestly, I'd wager that most people are probably going low end for clothes, or high end, leaving the middle ground like these stores out.

This isn't about Hollister or A&F. It's about the general direction of Quail Springs in which it seems like the national stores are exiting and being replaced by stores like Image and Ruth's. I agree that A&F and Hollister are past their prime, but why aren't they being replaced by today's stores like Urban Outfitters, H&M, American Apparel, etc?

This isn't about Hollister or A&F. It's about the general direction of Quail Springs in which it seems like the national stores are exiting and being replaced by stores like Image and Ruth's. I agree that A&F and Hollister are past their prime, but why aren't they being replaced by today's stores like Urban Outfitters, H&M, American Apparel, etc?

pahdz knows of what he speaks. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/business/the-middle-class-is-steadily-eroding-just-ask-the-business-world.html?_r=0

Also, UO, H&M, and AA aren't really parallels in any meaningful way with AF and Hollister, which market bro clothes. And AA in particular is not exactly a thriving brand. It's a penny stock forever on the verge of collapse.

Well, whatever it is, QSM better figure it out and fix it quick. Crossroads moved to slow and ended up languishing for a long time until it finally died. If all the proposed stuff for that area end up going in, QSM is gonna have a lot of competition in the area. Replacing stores like Hollister with local shops with names like Carolyn's Country Collectibles just won't do.

There is too much money around QSM for it to fail like that. Von Maur will be a huge help, but they definitely do need to figure something out.

Well, whatever it is, QSM better figure it out and fix it quick. Crossroads moved to slow and ended up languishing for a long time until it finally died. If all the proposed stuff for that area end up going in, QSM is gonna have a lot of competition in the area. Replacing stores like Hollister with local shops with names like Carolyn's Country Collectibles just won't do.

Completely agree. I want to re-iterate there is absolutely no reason for Quail Springs to be struggling. Tuscana was not built and the mall is surrounding by some of the most desirable neighborhoods in the OKC metro. It's only competition is Penn Square and that is actually pretty small as far as regional malls go. The mall has a nice, fairly updated interior and has not had any major crime incidents that I am aware of. Why then, are stores like Hollister being replaced by low-rate mom and pop stores?

Completely agree. I want to re-iterate there is absolutely no reason for Quail Springs to be struggling. Tuscana was not built and the mall is surrounding by some of the most desirable neighborhoods in the OKC metro. It's only competition is Penn Square and that is actually pretty small as far as regional malls go. The mall has a nice, fairly updated interior and has not had any major crime incidents that I am aware of. Why then, are stores like Hollister being replaced by low-rate mom and pop stores?

Because Hollister sucks?

Because Hollister sucks?

You are missing the point. Hollister is yesterday's fad. The fact is that national brand stores are being replaced by no-name stores. That is a telltale early sign of a mall in decline.

You are missing the point. Hollister is yesterday's fad. The fact is that national brand stores are being replaced by no-name stores. That is a telltale early sign of a mall in decline.

If Hollister sucks, and is yesterday's fad, and it is being replaced, why does that mean the mall is in decline? To me, it says that they are trying to turn around their image of having crappy stores that market towards middle schoolers.

If Hollister sucks, and is yesterday's fad, and it is being replaced, why does that mean the mall is in decline? To me, it says that they are trying to turn around their image of having crappy stores that market towards middle schoolers.

10 years ago Hollister was a solid brand whether you ever liked it or not. It's a sign that the mall may be in decline that such stores are being replaced by low end, mom and pop stores rather than today's trendy stores. Like it or not, national clothing brands have more staying power and do better sales per square foot than a store like Kountry Kollectibles.

Hollister was a great store with a great atmosphere, I just think their clothing got a little old. I mean, when you get down to it, they were mainly just plain cotton t-shirts made in Vietnam that said Hollister on it. People got tired of it.

Hollister was a great store with a great atmosphere, I just think their clothing got a little old. I mean, when you get down to it, they were mainly just plain cotton t-shirts made in Vietnam that said Hollister on it. People got tired of it.

The teenagers that grew up with Hollister grew out of it and it's not as cool to today's teens as it was to teenagers last decade. It happens with every generational clothing fad.

The teenagers that grew up with Hollister grew out of it and it's not as cool to today's teens as it was to teenagers last decade. It happens with every generational clothing fad.

DON'T SAY THAT TO ME AND MY BELL BOTTOMS AND PUFFY LONG SLEEVE PAISLY SHIRT.
I'm stylin', man!

Well as far a a good news for qsm. They just wrapped the old justice location across from Express to be a Pink store by VS. I agree that they need to get more national retailers and I think the closer they get to VonMar opening you will see them pop up. You have to think VonMar wouldn't go into a mall where they didn't see improvements happening and a great future.

DON'T SAY THAT TO ME AND MY BELL BOTTOMS AND PUFFY LONG SLEEVE PAISLY SHIRT.
I'm stylin', man!

Pink by VS just wrapped the old Justice location across from Express. This is a good sign for qsm and I understand there's more to come.

2 quick updates, Hot Topic is currently remodeling and will re open in the next week or so and Pink by VS is opening it's Pink store in the next 2 weeks.

Also it was stated in the Von Mar thread that GNC closed but in fact that was a am and pop vitamin store and GNC is at the penny's wing.

10 years ago Hollister was a solid brand whether you ever liked it or not. It's a sign that the mall may be in decline that such stores are being replaced by low end, mom and pop stores rather than today's trendy stores. Like it or not, national clothing brands have more staying power and do better sales per square foot than a store like Kountry Kollectibles.

You keep trying to convince everyone QSM is in trouble and it's clearly not. Nor is the growing area around it.

You keep trying to convince everyone QSM is in trouble and it's clearly not. Nor is the growing area around it.

When did I post that? Now that Von Maur is coming soon and H&M looks likely, my opinion has changed on the future direction of Quail Springs. If Von Maur wouldn't have agreed to come, I would stand by my previous statements that QSM is in the early stages of going the Crossroads way.

When did I post that? Now that Von Maur is coming soon and H&M looks likely, my opinion has changed on the future direction of Quail Springs. If Von Maur wouldn't have agreed to come, I would stand by my previous statements that QSM is in the early stages of going the Crossroads way.
The area around QSM is super wealthy. Don't think anything was ever in trouble there. Just need to find their niche as a mall, now, with all the new tenants.

QSM has a new sign.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o214/bchris02/IMG_1304_zpsb56c684b.jpg

I find it weird that H&M is rumored to be going here. I mean I'll definitely take it, but I wonder if they're holding out to see if they can get a spot at Penn Square. That mall is way more their style and demographic.

FWIW, Quail and Crossroads are polar opposite cases. Crossroads is literally a victim of it's location. I always felt like they invested in entertainment for kids and tried to keep stores with cheap rent. But unfortunately, shop-lifting and extra-curricular activity is so rampant there, it's just difficult to set up an honest business. All big boxes left because they were getting robbed so frequently. You'd be surprised at how blatant shop-lifting was.

Quail on the other hand, is in literally the most perfect position for a mall. If you drive around there, it is dictionary definition of suburbia. Huge houses, 3 cars, 2.5 kids, and tons of disposable income (I know that's over-generalizing, but you get my point). Quail has just been lazy and basically relied on it's AMC traffic to drive sales. It's so stuffy and out-dated, not to mention the lack of quality stores. I equate it to being the "bricktown" of okc malls. There's a better version of each store at Penn or the Outlet.

So yes, both malls may be similar in the fact that they could have failed without drastic action, but for completely opposite reasons.

I find it weird that H&M is rumored to be going here. I mean I'll definitely take it, but I wonder if they're holding out to see if they can get a spot at Penn Square. That mall is way more their style and demographic.

FWIW, Quail and Crossroads are polar opposite cases. Crossroads is literally a victim of it's location. I always felt like they invested in entertainment for kids and tried to keep stores with cheap rent. But unfortunately, shop-lifting and extra-curricular activity is so rampant there, it's just difficult to set up an honest business. All big boxes left because they were getting robbed so frequently. You'd be surprised at how blatant shop-lifting was.

Quail on the other hand, is in literally the most perfect position for a mall. If you drive around there, it is dictionary definition of suburbia. Huge houses, 3 cars, 2.5 kids, and tons of disposable income (I know that's over-generalizing, but you get my point). Quail has just been lazy and basically relied on it's AMC traffic to drive sales. It's so stuffy and out-dated, not to mention the lack of quality stores. I equate it to being the "bricktown" of okc malls. There's a better version of each store at Penn or the Outlet.

So yes, both malls may be similar in the fact that they could have failed without drastic action, but for completely opposite reasons.

Agree with this.

Quail at least appears to be trying to right the ship before its too late. It still has a long way to go though. It could be so much better than it is. In fact I would say Quail Springs Mall actually has MORE potential than Penn thanks to being a larger mall with more room for future expansion as well as in the middle of OKC's fastest growing suburban area. I hope H&M does end up at Quail because that will give it yet another shot in the arm in addition to Von Maur. In addition, I really wish Dillard's and Macy's would update their Quail locations. They are terribly outdated and even lack a lot of the merchandise that the Penn locations have.

I find it weird that H&M is rumored to be going here. I mean I'll definitely take it, but I wonder if they're holding out to see if they can get a spot at Penn Square. That mall is way more their style and demographic.

FWIW, Quail and Crossroads are polar opposite cases. Crossroads is literally a victim of it's location. I always felt like they invested in entertainment for kids and tried to keep stores with cheap rent. But unfortunately, shop-lifting and extra-curricular activity is so rampant there, it's just difficult to set up an honest business. All big boxes left because they were getting robbed so frequently. You'd be surprised at how blatant shop-lifting was.

Quail on the other hand, is in literally the most perfect position for a mall. If you drive around there, it is dictionary definition of suburbia. Huge houses, 3 cars, 2.5 kids, and tons of disposable income (I know that's over-generalizing, but you get my point). Quail has just been lazy and basically relied on it's AMC traffic to drive sales. It's so stuffy and out-dated, not to mention the lack of quality stores. I equate it to being the "bricktown" of okc malls. There's a better version of each store at Penn or the Outlet.

So yes, both malls may be similar in the fact that they could have failed without drastic action, but for completely opposite reasons.

Have to start somewhere. Von Maur is out of place compared to the rest of the mall.

H&M would work well for both Penn Square and Quail Springs Mall. H&M is not considered upscale. It sells nice, stylish clothes and very reasonable prices and they continually rotate and add new stuff to their merchandising. It constantly rotates and changes with new clothing. The stores here in DFW are constantly busy. Hope this does work out for QSM.

H&M would work well for both Penn Square and Quail Springs Mall. H&M is not considered upscale. It sells nice, stylish clothes and very reasonable prices and they continually rotate and add new stuff to their merchandising. It constantly rotates and changes with new clothing. The stores here in DFW are constantly busy. Hope this does work out for QSM.

I'm not hoping it fails or doesn't work out. Quite the opposite actually, I'm a huge fan and hope it comes soon. It's just that H&M fits perfectly with the Penn Square vibe and kind of conflicts with QSM's. Penn got a major win with the full sized Forever XXI, and implemented renovations that complement that big catch. Bringing an H&M to compliment Von Maur just feels a little dis-jointed.

Again, not complaining. I'm actually more curious as to why H&M would have any interest in Von Maur's success (alluded earlier in this thread). I don't think they could have a more opposite target market. Hopefully this means that Quail actually has a much larger master plan that does excite H&M (or similar retailers).

Stay out of the picasso store. It isn't what I thought it was.

QSM has a new sign.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o214/bchris02/IMG_1304_zpsb56c684b.jpg

They seem to have actually gone BACK a decade instead of trying to modernize. Classy I guess, but kind of an odd move to go with 60's carnival font.

They seem to have actually gone BACK a decade instead of trying to modernize. Classy I guess, but kind of an odd move to go with 60's carnival font.

I think it looks more like the flat design style that's been popularized by mobile apps. There's a reason that mobile apps use that style, though. It gives you faster load times. I see this QSM redesign as becoming very dated very quickly.

So heard from a reliable source that not only will shifting and construction begin in 2015 for h&m but also where it will be located. If what I heard is correct it will be 2 stories over looking the food court, bottom level between Buckle and AE and top level between Luca and zoomeys.

From what I heard disney and franchescas space or lease were bought out ( I think disney is moving to Penn Square and not sure and Franchescas) The deal would also include Journeys moving to a new spot, the old Abercrombie location, and I think Ruth's Christian book and maybe Zoomeys.

There's probably more to come on this deal but this is Huge for QSM. H&M is not a high end retailer but they attact almost every demographic and are very hot right now. With this news, Von Mar, Top Golf and Cabellas area, the mcarthur restaurant blow up,Main event and the continued development around QSM this in my opinion balances the whole memorial 2-3 mile stretch way more desirable than NW expressways Penn Square and company. Now before everyone says QSM can't compare to Penn that's not what I said, lol.

So heard from a reliable source that not only will shifting and construction begin in 2015 for h&m but also where it will be located. If what I heard is correct it will be 2 stories over looking the food court, bottom level between Buckle and AE and top level between Luca and zoomeys.

From what I heard disney and franchescas space or lease were bought out ( I think disney is moving to Penn Square and not sure and Franchescas) The deal would also include Journeys moving to a new spot, the old Abercrombie location, and I think Ruth's Christian book and maybe Zoomeys.

There's probably more to come on this deal but this is Huge for QSM. H&M is not a high end retailer but they attact almost every demographic and are very hot right now. With this news, Von Mar, Top Golf and Cabellas area, the mcarthur restaurant blow up,Main event and the continued development around QSM this in my opinion balances the whole memorial 2-3 mile stretch way more desirable than NW expressways Penn Square and company. Now before everyone says QSM can't compare to Penn that's not what I said, lol.

Pete or somebody in the know, can you confirm any of this?

Really the only place it could go. Not many areas in Quail Springs were the two levels actually line up perfectly. I think we have speculated in the past that it would go in this spot.

I've been told that QS continues to shuffle people around to make room for H&M.

What cardsfan describes makes perfect sense and is in keeping with what I had learned previously.

The mall isn't going to make anything public until a lease is signed, but I think they are getting close.


And even though H&M is no high-end, they tend to be located in higher-end, fashion forward developments.

I've been told that QS continues to shuffle people around to make room for H&M.

What cardsfan describes makes perfect sense and is in keeping with what I had learned previously.

The mall isn't going to make anything public until a lease is signed, but I think they are getting close.


And even though H&M is no high-end, they tend to be located in higher-end, fashion forward developments.

I completely agree. H&M at QSM is a very good sign for the direction the mall is headed. This plus Von Maur should make the mall even more attractive to retailers looking to enter the OKC market. It also helps that its right in the middle of a fast-growing, high-income suburban area. Personally I think in the long run QSM has more potential than Penn. I do wonder how long it will be though before Dillard's and Macy's decide to remodel their QSM stores.

It's not QSM vs. PSM. Both have very good futures. Both are upping their games.

Wet Seal and Disney are closing up. I really hope this is part of H&M and not the mall starting to fall.

Some Retails Stores To Close In OKC - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/27801252/some-retails-stores-to-close-in-okc)

Wet Seal and Disney are closing up. I really hope this is part of H&M and not the mall starting to fall.

Some Retails Stores To Close In OKC - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/27801252/some-retails-stores-to-close-in-okc)

Wet Seal is having financial problems and is closing well over 2/3 of their stores, also Body Central is closing at QSM ( and every other mall) as well due to similar problems.

I really hope this is part of H&M and not the mall starting to fall.
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Good grief man.

Good grief man.I'm just saying, this is how it can start out. I'm not really at all worried, but if H&M backs out, then I might be.

They really need to expand the mall in order to attract more tenants and maybe a renovation. They've lost about 5 tenants due to some Shoe place wanting a space in the mall next to El Chico and are likely to lose 6 more if H and M comes in.

They really need to expand the mall in order to attract more tenants and maybe a renovation. They've lost about 5 tenants due to some Shoe place wanting a space in the mall next to El Chico and are likely to lose 6 more if H and M comes in.

Honestly, most malls could lose five tenants and it would be a good thing. Think about the Cash N Gold, C&C Market Research, Brow Art 23, Hear Again and one of the three optometrist stores going out and being replaced by a small, yet higher end store like Kate Spade, Tory Burch, Burberry or Prada (usually smaller stores). Maybe some of those retailers are looking in the OKC but can't find the right location. If H&M comes in to that middle space and six retailers move out, more will move in due to H&M being there. Although I don't consider it high end, it is definitely well thought of and brings in a lot of people.

Honestly, most malls could lose five tenants and it would be a good thing. Think about the Cash N Gold, C&C Market Research, Brow Art 23, Hear Again and one of the three optometrist stores going out and being replaced by a small, yet higher end store like Kate Spade, Tory Burch, Burberry or Prada (usually smaller stores). Maybe some of those retailers are looking in the OKC but can't find the right location. If H&M comes in to that middle space and six retailers move out, more will move in due to H&M being there. Although I don't consider it high end, it is definitely well thought of and brings in a lot of people.

Agree with this.

H&M is not high end but it usually tends to locate in nicer shopping centers. I think it's best for OKC as a whole if Quail Springs and Penn Square complement each other rather than compete, with both being attractive, upper mid-tier malls each offering a large number of stores that the other doesn't.

The Disney Store's lease was up and H&M was able to outbid them for the space. It is a shame for us that have kids that love Disney. The staff at that store was always polite and were some really good people.

The Disney Store's lease was up and H&M was able to outbid them for the space. It is a shame for us that have kids that love Disney. The staff at that store was always polite and were some really good people.

Well don't they still have a Disney Store at the Outlet mall?

The Disney Store's lease was up and H&M was able to outbid them for the space. It is a shame for us that have kids that love Disney. The staff at that store was always polite and were some really good people.

I heard a rumor that they will be opening in Penn Square. Do you know if that is true?

I thought there was one already in PSM? Shows how much attention I pay to malls.

I thought there was one already in PSM? Shows how much attention I pay to malls.

I am certain that there was in the early 2000s. However it has not been here since I moved back to OKC.

LOL makes sense. The 90s were probably the last time I spent significant time in malls. In the past 15 years or so I've mostly only gone for movies or the Apple store.